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Sam:) · 29-12-2011, 01:12 PM

You obviously have no evidence if your looking at Wikipedia.
I don't get why all atheists feel the need to be pricks, they should respect other peoples beliefs. While I don't necessarily believe in all of the christian religion, I dont verbally attack people who do

InOne · 29-12-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JayzusChroist

You obviously have no evidence if your looking at Wikipedia.
I don't get why all atheists feel the need to be pricks, they should respect other peoples beliefs. While I don't necessarily believe in all of the christian religion, I dont verbally attack people who do

All Atheists don't. And it's Religious people I usually see shouting in the street damning people to hell. Why don't they respect that an Atheist doesn't believe? Don't go pretending that Theists are some sort of victim.

Crimson Dynamo · 29-12-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JayzusChroist

You obviously have no evidence if your looking at Wikipedia.
I don't get why all atheists feel the need to be pricks, they should respect other peoples beliefs. While I don't necessarily believe in all of the christian religion, I dont verbally attack people who do

Well you get a gold star for being so good but i am taking it off you again for the "old persecution chestnut"...

Stu · 29-12-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JayzusChroist

You obviously have no evidence if your looking at Wikipedia.
I don't get why all atheists feel the need to be pricks, they should respect other peoples beliefs. While I don't necessarily believe in all of the christian religion, I dont verbally attack people who do

All atheists don't feel the need to be pricks. Wikipedia, contray to popular belief, contains plenty of facts and good summarys of theories - making it a useful place to link to.

Also there is absoloutely no burden on an atheist to respect someones beliefs. I hate that notion. I don't respect Islam, for instance. I respect peoples choice to believe as long as they go about it in a way that does not interfere with the lives of others ... but why should I have to respect the religion? What if I find the religion disrespectful?

I hate this idea that we have to respect someones religious beliefs. The best I can do is respect their freedom of choice as long as it doesn't intervene with others freedom of choice.

Crimson Dynamo · 29-12-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Xanax Santa

All atheists don't feel the need to be pricks. Wikipedia, contray to popular belief, contains plenty of facts and good summarys of theories - making it a useful place to link to.

Also there is absoloutely no burden on an atheist to respect someones beliefs. I hate that notion. I don't respect Islam, for instance. I respect peoples choice to believe as long as they go about it in a way that does not interfere with the lives of others ... but why should I have to respect the religion? What if I find the religion disrespectful?

I hate this idea that we have to respect someones religious beliefs. The best I can do is respect their freedom of choice as long as it doesn't intervene with others freedom of choice.

Well said. The day that religion is ousted from our schools and politics then people may have a little more "respect" for it.

But who can respect adults saying they believe in what the bible says? - i mean come on..

Scarlett. · 29-12-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well said. The day that religion is ousted from our schools and politics then people may have a little more "respect" for it.

But who can respect adults saying they believe in what the bible says? - i mean come on..

I do agree with that, you only have to look at America to figure out why religeon shouldn't be a factor in politics, any old guy can get into a position of power by wittering on about god in the deep South.

Vicky. · 29-12-2011, 01:14 PM

You simply cannot prove that something does not exist. Thats ridiculous

Tom · 30-12-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

You simply cannot prove that something does not exist. Thats ridiculous

Yes you can

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Originally Posted by Xanax Santa

Seems like awhile since we've had one of these threads. I'm here, Joe's here and LT's here. Let's get a fire going until Sticks arrives.

Arista hasn't turned up with an image of a Richard Dawkins book yet though

Niamh. · 30-12-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

Yes you can

Arista hasn't turned up with an image of a Richard Dawkins book yet though

How?

Tom · 30-12-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

How?

Offer alternate explanations or criticise the things in favour of its existence? You can prove that your kids imaginary friend doesn't exist, so I'm sure you can do the same for religion. Its the same thing after all but imaginary friend on a mass scale

Just found this on Google also

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The Bible and the Church says that:
1. God is omnibenevolent. He has infinite love for all humans.
2. God is omniscience. He knows everything there is.
3. God is omnipotent. He can do anything he wants.

The problem of Evil and Suffering
1. As God is omnibenevolent he wouldn’t want us to suffer.
2. If we were suffering God would know how, why and how to stop it
3. God is omnipotent and can do anything he wants.

So God can't exist. And if he does its not in the form he's expected and so you begin to chip away at this so called God.

Seems pretty logical and straight forward enough to me?

/a level religion

Niamh. · 30-12-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

Offer alternate explanations or criticise the things in favour of its existence? You can prove that your kids imaginary friend doesn't exist, so I'm sure you can do the same for religion. Its the same thing after all but imaginary friend on a mass scale

Offering an alternative explanation isn't proof though and no one can prove that a childs imaginary friend doesn't actually exist either

Stu · 29-12-2011, 02:03 PM

Seems like awhile since we've had one of these threads. I'm here, Joe's here and LT's here. Let's get a fire going until Sticks arrives.

MTVN · 29-12-2011, 02:07 PM

I don't really have a problem with Dawkins, Hitchens and that lot, and I find it a bit stupid when people use the term "fundamentalist Atheism" and make out it's just the same as Religious fundamentalism. The worst the militant Atheists do is challenge religious beliefs, albeit quite aggressively, but at least they don't wish to see you suffering in eternal hell just because you didn't live your life as their God supposedly dictates

InOne · 29-12-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't really have a problem with Dawkins, Hitchens and that lot, and I find it a bit stupid when people use the term "fundamentalist Atheism" and make out it's just the same as Religious fundamentalism. The worst the militant Atheists do is challenge religious beliefs, albeit quite aggressively, but at least they don't wish to see you suffering in eternal hell just because you didn't live your life as their God supposedly dictates

Only thing about them is they seem to debate and meet with complete twonks. Some Christians can put their views across really well without coming across as a raving fundie. They may've come across some of them people and I have not seen it, but from what I've seen, they meet complete idiots.

MTVN · 29-12-2011, 02:29 PM

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Only thing about them is they seem to debate and meet with complete twonks. Some Christians can put their views across really well without coming across as a raving fundie. They may've come across some of them people and I have not seen it, but from what I've seen, they meet complete idiots.

Yeah that's probably right, I did actually read recently how Dawkins declined to attend a debate with some top Christian theologist or something, might have had a reasonable explanation but the article I was reading was pretty much implying he was a bit of a cop out

InOne · 29-12-2011, 02:08 PM

God, Sticks with his mini novel post with lots of links and a cheeky reminder he moderates a Science forum or whatever it is

Crimson Dynamo · 29-12-2011, 02:16 PM

Even on DS there are about 5 believers and all are fairly hopeless.

But its not the people, its the baseless stance that religion gives them.

Sam:) · 29-12-2011, 02:20 PM

I don't believe in hell, in a way I don't believe in any of it (if anyone was outside barrots in Henry Street at around 4 you would have seen me tell some american preacher to **** off. Its just comforting to think that when we die that its not the end.

Z · 30-12-2011, 03:00 PM

Whether or not there's an afterlife, I think it's annoying when people try to force their views on you. So whether that's a religious person trying to convert you or a non-religious person trying to convince you that there's no God, it's annoying either way. Let everyone be, isn't that what we're meant to be aiming for - some kind of universal tolerance of each other?

arista · 30-12-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zee

Whether or not there's an afterlife, I think it's annoying when people try to force their views on you. So whether that's a religious person trying to convert you or a non-religious person trying to convince you that there's no God, it's annoying either way. Let everyone be, isn't that what we're meant to be aiming for - some kind of universal tolerance of each other?

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