[user104658]

Originally Posted by Speedster

Here we go AGAIN. She can flirt with WHO she WANTS he CANT because he's in a RELATIONSHIP.

Exactly! I hate to think of what people on here would think of me - I met my fiancee (who I've been with for 6 years now and have 2 children with) when she was engaged to another guy so... yeah.

<<< Homewrecker, guilty!

I mean we didn't start anything while they were together but I was clear enough about my feelings / flirted plenty... so by Hazel haters standards, was I in the wrong?? Am I evil for "stealing" her from someone else? Oh wait no because I'm male.

And because maybe people aren't property to be stolen and can make up their own minds! And because maybe someone being in a relationship already isn't a good enough reason to write them off if you think you'd be good together.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kate2013

Well i must have missed that conversation where they agreed it was mutual flitation, I didnt realise Daley was intentionally willing to risk his relationship outside for a flirtation. However I distinctly remembering Hazel telling Dan she was only doing it out of boredom and had no intention of carrying it on outside the house.

He said several times that he still loved his girlfriend and wanted to be with her, and that he was only letting things progress with Hazel because he "didn't know the status of the relationship". Which was apparently not true anyway.

It was really quite clear that Daley, to be blunt, just wanted to get his end away with Hazel. She made his winky expand. He looked at her like a Twin would look at a cheeseburger. To suggest that he had some sort of "deeper feelings" for her that she was exploiting is frankly madness.

[kate2013]

Where she was at fault was not flirting, but flirting with a man who she knew had a girlfriend. As Gina said she has no girl code.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He said several times that he still loved his girlfriend and wanted to be with her, and that he was only letting things progress with Hazel because he "didn't know the status of the relationship". Which was apparently not true anyway.

It was really quite clear that Daley, to be blunt, just wanted to get his end away with Hazel. She made his winky expand. He looked at her like a Twin would look at a cheeseburger. To suggest that he had some sort of "deeper feelings" for her that she was exploiting is frankly madness.

I really love your posts

[kate2013]

She is the type of woman that would flirt with your man even if she knew he was partnered up, and not in a subtle way. Shes as subtle as a flying sledgerhammer.

[Speedster]

"Girl code"? wtf?? what a lot of c**p, all she meant really was let people treat us how they like and then be really polite friendly and submissive to them, behave impeccably and take responsibility for their actions so that they don't have to.

"Girl code" my ass; it's another way of saying let the men act how they want but you have to go without as much as possible and be happy about it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kate2013

Where she was at fault was not flirting, but flirting with a man who she knew had a girlfriend. As Gina said she has no girl code.

As my 3 year old would say: NON SENSSSE!!

Not her responsibility, in any way, shape or form. His girlfriend, his life, his decision. Contrary to popular belief, us menfolk do have brains in our heads as well as in our penises and he was more than happy to flirt with her. All he had to do was refuse to play along and tell her he wasn't interested flat out. He didn't do that, he was interested, and he did pursue her just as much as she pursued him. He also strongly hinted that his relationship status was "up in the air", dishonestly, because he WANTED to flirt with Hazel.

You literally cannot successfully flirt with someone who isn't receptive to it.

[kefln]

So whats the plan? Every time hazel opens her mouth someone is going to start a thread bitching, claiming something nasty transpired.

Why not save the energy and look for actual moments of bitchiness from any housemate? Or is it a case that the blinkers are on and there is no taking them off?

[kate2013]

He was interested in a relationship with her, she never had any intention of a relationship she flirted with him because she was bored. Maybe men dont have a code but it is seen disrespectful by many women for her to have flirted with him on national TV infront of millions of viewers including his long term girlfriend. Why did she choose to flirt with a guy who she knew was in a relationship when she had no real interest in him?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As my 3 year old would say: NON SENSSSE!!

Not her responsibility, in any way, shape or form. His girlfriend, his life, his decision. Contrary to popular belief, us menfolk do have brains in our heads as well as in our penises and he was more than happy to flirt with her. All he had to do was refuse to play along and tell her he wasn't interested flat out. He didn't do that, he was interested, and he did pursue her just as much as she pursued him. He also strongly hinted that his relationship status was "up in the air", dishonestly, because he WANTED to flirt with Hazel.

You literally cannot successfully flirt with someone who isn't receptive to it.

There is hardly any point in this argument any more. People have locked onto the flirt thing and are going to run with it until the show ends. It really doesnt matter how many times its pointed out that it was daley that had the girlfriend, that it was him that persued hazel. This isnt about logic, people have locked into hazel hate and cant let go. Blinkers on. Dog with bone. No getting past it.

[kate2013]

Hazel hate thats abit much, I dont Hate Hazel I simply do not agree with her behaviour. Maybe if she shoved her tits in your partners face to see if he got hard or not then you'd feel differently. I will comment on any housemate depending on whats happened That Episode. I felt Hazel was a Hypocrite in the kitchen during tonights show so I commented on it, after all thats what these forums are for.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Charlies her friend. No way did she mean it like that.

This ^ God, Hazel can say nothing without people trying to make out it means something "evil" lol Secrets and lies though yay, she's safe for another week

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kate2013

Maybe if she shoved her tits in your partners face to see if he got hard or not then you'd feel differently.

Speaking for my own partner, I'm pretty sure she'd find it hilarious watching me squirm awkwardly trying to get away. Mainly because our relationship is solid. That's the real issue here. Things like this are only an issue for girls who have trust issues with the men in their life and think that they can be lured, stolen, or tempted away by another flirty female. Some people just like to flirt or have flirtatious personalities. It is completely harmless so long as a little bit of maturity is involved, regardless of anyone's relationship status. ALL that matters is the strength of that relationship. A bit of flirting shouldn't even register in a solid relationship... and if it does, there's a trust issue.

Their relationship only got onto dodgy territory when it progressed beyond flirting into what basically amounted to foreplay... and he was more than willing to take it there. A decision he was free to make for himself.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by kate2013

Hazel hate thats abit much, I dont Hate Hazel I simply do not agree with her behaviour. Maybe if she shoved her tits in your partners face to see if he got hard or not then you'd feel differently. I will comment on any housemate depending on whats happened That Episode. I felt Hazel was a Hypocrite in the kitchen during tonights show so I commented on it, after all thats what these forums are for.

Its a form of alliteration. By using words with matching first letters it drives home the point effectively. Its not personal. Its a response to the same argument coming up all the time, in many threads.

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

Originally Posted by Speedster

Here we go AGAIN. She can flirt with WHO she WANTS he CANT because he's in a RELATIONSHIP.

and i'm sure if she keeps that up, she'll be getting a slap from some girl who won't take no slapper flirting with her man.

[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by kate2013

Hazel hate thats abit much, I dont Hate Hazel I simply do not agree with her behaviour. Maybe if she shoved her tits in your partners face to see if he got hard or not then you'd feel differently. I will comment on any housemate depending on whats happened That Episode. I felt Hazel was a Hypocrite in the kitchen during tonights show so I commented on it, after all thats what these forums are for.

A lot of people don't like Hazel, in fact she seems to be generally unpopular according to the polls on TIBB. I don't see much to like about her myself, largely because she was involved in the big 'romance' of the year so far, and I always loath the BB romances. I don't hate her though but even if I did, it's not heresy to say so. As you point out: that's what these boards are for.

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Emmyasdfghjkl

and i'm sure if she keeps that up, she'll be getting a slap from some girl who won't take no slapper flirting with her man.

BUT....If he doesn't flirt back-like Daley did-there won't be a problem.

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

Originally Posted by Speedster

BUT....If he doesn't flirt back-like Daley did-there won't be a problem.

yes, I agree there, but any girl should know, if a guy is with someone. don't take the bait, he gave her the green light, when he told her he liked her, but as a female she should of taken into account how his girlfriend would feel, and not started flirting back, because she made herself seem easy, and like a homewreaker, not saying he wasn't in the wrong but still.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Speaking for my own partner, I'm pretty sure she'd find it hilarious watching me squirm awkwardly trying to get away. Mainly because our relationship is solid. That's the real issue here. Things like this are only an issue for girls who have trust issues with the men in their life and think that they can be lured, stolen, or tempted away by another flirty female. Some people just like to flirt or have flirtatious personalities. It is completely harmless so long as a little bit of maturity is involved, regardless of anyone's relationship status. ALL that matters is the strength of that relationship. A bit of flirting shouldn't even register in a solid relationship... and if it does, there's a trust issue.

Their relationship only got onto dodgy territory when it progressed beyond flirting into what basically amounted to foreplay... and he was more than willing to take it there. A decision he was free to make for himself.

My thoughts exactly and those of my wife.

We've been together, as a couple, for 20 years, since we were in our early teens. If a flirty female started cracking onto me, she probably laugh her head off! Waiting to see how id squirm out of it.

And that is the point. I trust my wife. I dont care who she talks too, or who she messes around with. Because I know she wont cheat. And vice versa.

We are adults. We make our own decisions. I wouldnt blame my neighbour if my kids got lost, so why should I blame someone else if I was stupid enough to destroy my relationship.

There is no such thing as a guy or girl "code". You are either in a relationship, or you are not. If you are, and you cheat, or lie about it, then you are in the wrong. If you are single, then the onus is not on you to do a full background check, and get references to make sure everyone is being honest.

[kate2013]

What do you mean that using Hate drives home the point? What point are you trying to make then if not Hate? your reasoning is nonsensical using the word hate because it rhymes is pretty strong. Like something the Daily Star would use to create unnecessary drama.

And im not agreeing to Daleys behaviour either, I know he was responsible and is an asshole but he has left the house. Despite Daley, I believe Hazels behaviour was inappropriate in the circumstances.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Emmyasdfghjkl

but as a female she should of taken into account how his girlfriend would feel, and not started flirting back, because she made herself seem easy, and like a homewreaker, not saying he wasn't in the wrong but still.

Like I said above - by your logic, I would have "backed off" from my partner 6 years ago because she was "with someone else" and I wouldn't have a wonderful family and two children, and she would still (maybe) be in a relationship with someone she wasn't happy with. And HE would still be in a relationship with someone who wasn't completely committed to him.

It's the wrong way to look at things. No person "belongs" to anyone, and every persons actions are their own responsibility. Given that it was on TV could she have been more considerate of his girlfriends' feelings? Maybe so, yes... but her feelings were never her responsibility AND he claimed they had broken up before he went in. It's all on him. To suggest otherwise and try to shift blame really underplays what HE did to his girlfriend.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Emmyasdfghjkl

yes, I agree there, but any girl should know, if a guy is with someone. don't take the bait, he gave her the green light, when he told her he liked her, but as a female she should of taken into account how his girlfriend would feel, and not started flirting back, because she made herself seem easy, and like a homewreaker, not saying he wasn't in the wrong but still.

Isnt that the point though?

If a BB HM was a total lier, in the same was nasty nick was, we would blame them.

If a HM got drunk and punched someone, we would blame them.

If a HM acted like a total twat, we would blame them.

But if a guy cheats on his GF, with another woman on BB, then the girl on the show gets thorn apart by the public. Is it a case of double standards? Because to me it lacks logic.

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Like I said above - by your logic, I would have "backed off" from my partner 6 years ago because she was "with someone else" and I wouldn't have a wonderful family and two children, and she would still (maybe) be in a relationship with someone she wasn't happy with. And HE would still be in a relationship with someone who wasn't completely committed to him.

It's the wrong way to look at things. No person "belongs" to anyone, and every persons actions are their own responsibility. Given that it was on TV could she have been more considerate of his girlfriends' feelings? Maybe so, yes... but her feelings were never her responsibility AND he claimed they had broken up before he went in. It's all on him. To suggest otherwise and try to shift blame really underplays what HE did to his girlfriend.

well, she left him, so completely different thing. but yes her feelings weren't her responsibility, and maybe so, but they were both vile and acted disgustingly.

[kate2013]

Well Ive made my point, had my say just as you have. I have nothing more to add. People will have their opinions and perceptions based on what they believe is right or wrong their gut instinct would have told them that. They have already made up their minds. Im going to bed now nothing on TV but Super Casino night.

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

Originally Posted by kefln

Isnt that the point though?

If a BB HM was a total lier, in the same was nasty nick was, we would blame them.

If a HM got drunk and punched someone, we would blame them.

If a HM acted like a total twat, we would blame them.

But if a guy cheats on his GF, with another woman on BB, then the girl on the show gets thorn apart by the public. Is it a case of double standards? Because to me it lacks logic.

I think they are both vile people? so not really.. because i'm not blaming just her, I know he was in the wrong, a bit more than hazel, but shes hardly little miss innocent.