[Kyle]

Is this the sameguy who exposed Peter Popov when he caught his wife reading the prayer cards of people to him over a wireless earpiece?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Is this the sameguy who exposed Peter Popov when he caught his wife reading the prayer cards of people to him over a wireless earpiece?

Yep - and that's in this vid Kyle. It's priceless.

[user104658]

I'll give £10 million to anyone who can prove the existence of God in laboratory conditions.

Any takers?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'll give £10 million to anyone who can prove the existence of God in laboratory conditions.

Any takers?

And I'll give all I have if anyone can disprove the existence of God under ANY conditions.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And I'll give all I have if anyone can disprove the existence of God under ANY conditions.

That's not how experimental science works. I'll give you the world if you can disprove the existence of an anthropomorphic duck with penis fingers being controlled telepathically by a super-intelligent hamster.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's not how experimental science works. I'll give you the world if you can disprove the existence of an anthropomorphic duck with penis fingers being controlled telepathically by a super-intelligent hamster.

But I KNOW that exists because in the old Adam West Batman TV series, he had an Anti-anthropomorphic duck with penis fingers being controlled telepathically by a super-intelligent hamster device on his utility belt.

[user104658]

Batman believes in infinite possibility, he has devices for every potential outcome no matter how improbable.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Batman believes in infinite possibility, he has devices for every potential outcome no matter how improbable.

That's why I love the old naff TV series so much.

[rubymoo]

I just laughed so loud at the conversation between TS and Kirk, it made my dogs jump.....and now they're pestering me for a biscuit

But on topic i will watch this as anything to do with the supernatural and the debunking of pyschics and frauds is for me.

There are a lot of fakes out there and i dislike what they do, they charge a ridiculous price and prey on the vulnerable who are struggling with relationships, or grief.

This is a good link, and after reading this i will never go to a medium/psychic again.

http://www.aske-skeptics.org.uk/befo...a_psychic.html

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I just laughed so loud at the conversation between TS and Kirk, it made my dogs jump.....and now they're pestering me for a biscuit

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Yes Ruby, we're the new 'Little and Large' -- his intellect is little and mine's large.

We're the new 'Morecambe and wise' -- I'm wise and he should feck off to Morecambe.

(Only joking T.S I love you really. )

[Ramsay]

Youtube video

Pretty much shows how easy cold reading is to people that have mastered it. It pisses me off because if someone had genuine "psychic" power, why charge for it? especially why charge such ridiculous amounts? I get so angry just thinking about it

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Pretty much shows how easy cold reading is to people that have mastered it. It pisses me off because if someone had genuine "psychic" power, why charge for it? especially why charge such ridiculous amounts? I get so angry just thinking about it

It makes me angry too.

A friend of mine has been going to a local spiritual church and she's convinced or believes that she's communicating with spirit, i once held a fascination for psychics and the like but now it's becoming apparent that these people are all fakes, my friend tries to read me everytime she sees me, she'll often say 'can you take that?' or 'does that make sense' or 'this may not be important now but it will be later' it's all just bull**** from her, and it makes me cross because she thinks she knows me, my feelings, my past and my future like she's some sort of link to wherever! Safe to say she's alienated me from our friendship and i just give her a wide berth now.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Youtube video

Pretty much shows how easy cold reading is to people that have mastered it. It pisses me off because if someone had genuine "psychic" power, why charge for it? especially why charge such ridiculous amounts? I get so angry just thinking about it

100% correct Ramsay. I actually am quite good at 'cold reading' and do it for a laugh at parties but these crooks that claim powers just so they can get rich are scum.

[Northern Monkey]

To me there are no 'fake' and 'genuine' mediums and psychics,They all fall into the same category.....con artists.
If people wanna throw money at them for some piece of mind or whatever and treat it like therapy then that's fine if it helps them.I never would.I'd prefer to see an actual trained therapist if i needed it.
There is a worry that mentally vulnerable people are getting the wool pulled over their eyes though which is not cool.

[lostalex]

i downloaded it, and i enjoyed it! thanks for recommending it!

i especially loved that they had 2 of my favorite people commenting, adam savage from myth busters and penn from penn and teller.

great movie, and i'm so glad that his husband did'nt get deported.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i downloaded it, and i enjoyed it! thanks for recommending it!

i especially loved that they had 2 of my favorite people commenting, adam savage from myth busters and penn from penn and teller.

great movie, and i'm so glad that his husband did'nt get deported.

Thanks Alex, I'm so glad you enjoyed it. I actually was a bit teary about poor James when his husband was taken from him, and I'm so happy it all ended well for them both.

[Kizzy]

Churches are funded somehow... is that not peddling snake oil too?

[DemolitionRed]

The church would not exist without its congregation. The church relies heavily on its followers purse. Look at the wealth of the Catholic church; where do you think that money comes from?

I'm not being pedantic here. I remain open minded about psychics, just as I remain open minded about religion. Both of these things are open to scrutiny but nothing can really be proved one way or the other.

Who am I to say if a person finds comfort in God and religiously goes to church every Sunday. The same goes for someone who chooses to find comfort in a psychic.

Would I ever go to see a psychic? No I wouldn't. Would I go to church? only to look at its historic value. The only reason the church exists and the only reason psychics are out there is because of public demand.

[Kizzy]

Careful DR you don't want blown minds all over your screen

[user104658]

It's not really all that different to the Church. The amount of money in the Catholic Church for example, is dumbfounding.

The reason individual priests don't go around charging is because they've bought into it themselves, and are really just repeating the tried and tested "stock phrases" on the ground level.

It's like a supernatural pyramid scheme.

[DemolitionRed]

Where did I say I'm anti religion ?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Where did I say I'm anti religion ?

Based on your past posts and especially your post above, I was not referring to you Red. You have a self-declared open mind.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Based on your past posts and especially your post above, I was not referring to you Red. You have a self-declared open mind.

So I can't have a say because I'm anti religion now... wow there's a lot of reasons I'm not allowed a say isn't there?
It was me who said I had an open mind, you should have known that seeing as you presume you know my stance on religion. It's nice having a personal guru, tell me more about myself.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So I can't have a say because I'm anti religion now... wow there's a lot of reasons I'm not allowed a say isn't there?
It was me who said I had an open mind, you should have known that seeing as you presume you know my stance on religion. It's nice having a personal guru, tell me more about myself.

You're entire raison d'etre seems to be the - needless - cause of argument. Just look at your previous post:
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Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
I have a feeling someday someone will claim that money...

And my totally, friendly, civil and logical response to it:

"I hope so - which is why I love James Randi, because every charlatan he exposes or closes down clears the way for any genuine paranormal cases to be scientifically studied. As it is now, all the fraudsters and hoaxers and cranks convince everyone that ALL paranormal cases are fake, which I do not personally believe is the truth.

I mean, one of the crooks in this documentary has made millions out of conning the gullible that he is in 'direct touch with God' and the ruthless bastard tells seriously ill cancer patients and others to "Throw away those tablets and medicines, you are cured" by his laying on of hands B.S. He should be executed. And I mean it. Randi exposed him brilliantly on the Johnny Carson show."

And NOTE how I point out that I am just as much in favour of exposing 'Religious' fakery as I am other 'paranormal' crooks.

You love creating argument where there is none by Strawman.

I do not care whether you are anti-Religion or not, I was justly pointing out that there was no need to hijack this thread by turning it into a an anti-God, anti-Religion thread when no one is even saying that the established church is innocent in this matter - start a seperate thread if you want to argue about theology or the existence of God and I will gladly contribute.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The protestant church was borne out of a disgust at the catholic church charging for absolution

but it is correct to say that both the church and mediums are both reliant on belief with no evidence