[Amy Jade]

Its just manners, I think she is used to fancy resturants thats all.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I always hold a door open for ladies, as well as men.

Me to - there is a reason we have social conventions on what is and isnt suitable behaviour and what is polite - to do something that is polite shows friendliness and usually good manners and intelligence. These are subtle things but they are needed unless we are all going run amok.

Its as simple as eating with your mouth closed - you dont HAVE to - but people would like you better if you did.

Good manners are just a signal to people that you intend to be kind to them - and perhaps women needed this as they weren't usually welcome amoungst men but kept out of sight.

[Underscore]

As a feminist, I don't believe women should be treat any different to men so if you apply this ethos entirely you'd be against ladies first.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by smudgie

traditionally fine dining etiquette.
Maybe she goes to fancy restaurants that still follow the tradition.

I've been to many fine restaurants and they don't necessarily serve ladies first?

Not sure where you got that from?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Underscore

As a feminist, I don't believe women should be treat any different to men so if you apply this ethos entirely you'd be against ladies first.

what about if you were on a boat and it was sinking

Not women and children first?

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what about if you were on a boat and it was sinking

Not women and children first?

Children should have the priority anyway...

It should be parents and children, people without children should go ladt

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Children should have the priority anyway...

It should be parents and children, people without children should go ladt

Good luck if the boat is full of Italians

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Good luck if the boat is full of Italians

Tru

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by _baileys_

Ladies First is simply good manners ...

Yeah that's what I've always thought.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what about if you were on a boat and it was sinking

Not women and children first?

This might seem a bit deep - but as you mentioned boats -
I think people are beginning to realise there are really feminine women and really masculine men.

And thats all it comes down to - its obvious to see how someone wants to be treated by their mannerisms (manner) if someone is showing less dominant traits perhaps its polite to be kind to them?

However it would take some pluck to pull out a chair for certain women - as you can sense - even just by watching them - they re not going to take it well - i.e the one from loose woman? Carole? Or Germaine Greer?

At the same time women these days dont really expect to be "ladies first" unless someone is acting very ''masculine'' - which Karthik does try to - he is sending out mixed signals which is interesting for us to watch how it will play out.

Karthik used conservastism and conventions when it suits him - I.E he has a presence of persnality and demands (no less) to be a man like everyone else yet- he accused Paul of racisim. (Without reason - I believe)

Yet his attidude towards women is certainly skewed - he has already been called out for this already and it seems to be a pattern.

I am interested to see how far this goes as I know men like him -
However his sparing partner is another man - for now. Which is Paul.

[Kazanne]

Nothing wrong with manners and if people want to open doors etc,that's fine but if they don't it shouldn't be seen as a bad thing.

[tb24259]

From a woman's perspective I have to say I loathe women like Brandi who expect special treatment because they have mammaries yet go on the next second to say men and women are equal. If Brandi really believes she is equal to a man then why the need to raise the complaint that Karthik didn't serve her first? She's an expectant, middle class American ass whose mask is swiftly slipping to reveal a real nasty character methiks

[the truth]

Originally Posted by sungrass

This might seem a bit deep - but as you mentioned boats -
I think people are beginning to realise there are really feminine women and really masculine men.

And thats all it comes down to - its obvious to see how someone wants to be treated by their mannerisms (manner) if someone is showing less dominant traits perhaps its polite to be kind to them?

However it would take some pluck to pull out a chair for certain women - as you can sense - even just by watching them - they re not going to take it well - i.e the one from loose woman? Carole? Or Germaine Greer?

At the same time women these days dont really expect to be "ladies first" unless someone is acting very ''masculine'' - which Karthik does try to - he is sending out mixed signals which is interesting for us to watch how it will play out.

Karthik used conservastism and conventions when it suits him - I.E he has a presence of persnality and demands (no less) to be a man like everyone else yet- he accused Paul of racisim. (Without reason - I believe)

Yet his attidude towards women is certainly skewed - he has already been called out for this already and it seems to be a pattern.

I am interested to see how far this goes as I know men like him -
However his sparing partner is another man - for now. Which is Paul.

most gf's Ive ever had expected me to pay the bills...so theyre the sexist ones not me...there are loads fo sexist women like that

as for sinking boats....nearly everyone who drowned on the titanic was a man as they gave their lives for the women and kids...and all they get as a reward is to be called sexist. the next time the boats go down, save the kids, to hell with the women. save yourselves men, no one appreciates you drowning for a spoilt feminist.......TRUTH OUT

[the truth]

Originally Posted by tb24259

From a woman's perspective I have to say I loathe women like Brandi who expect special treatment because they have mammaries yet go on the next second to say men and women are equal. If Brandi really believes she is equal to a man then why the need to raise the complaint that Karthik didn't serve her first? She's an expectant, middle class American ass whose mask is swiftly slipping to reveal a real nasty character methiks

shes a sexist misandrist pig

[Stormy]

Yes...it is very old fashioned and shouldn't really apply in this day and age...but, either way, a lady would never say "Ladies First". This is something a man will offer.

By Brandy saying "Ladies First" it's just as if she was saying "Me first!". This is rude and selfish. That is what K was trying to make Brandy understand.

[BBUK-Fan]

We are meant to have gender equality and ladies first is still a thing

[Ashsleigh]

Originally Posted by the truth

nearly everyone who drowned on the titanic was a man as they gave their lives for the women and kids...and all they get as a reward is to be called sexist. the next time the boats go down, save the kids, to hell with the women. save yourselves men, no one appreciates you drowning for a spoilt feminist.......TRUTH OUT

[RhysJones]

It's just plain decency from my perspective, I totally agree with Brandi. It's just being polite like opening a dor for someone or a guy pulling out a woman's chair

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

most gf's Ive ever had expected me to pay the bills

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by RhysJones

or a guy pulling out

Originally Posted by RhysJones

a woman's chair

Phew!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

most gf's Ive ever had expected me to pay the bills...so theyre the sexist ones not me...there are loads fo sexist women like that

as for sinking boats....nearly everyone who drowned on the titanic was a man as they gave their lives for the women and kids...and all they get as a reward is to be called sexist. the next time the boats go down, save the kids, to hell with the women. save yourselves men, no one appreciates you drowning for a spoilt feminist.......TRUTH OUT

Yes, I hate those people who mention all those men who drowned on the Titanic being massive sexist pigs.

I heard they were smelly too?

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Jake.

It's called manners, nothing more

But in what way does holding a seat open for someone about manners? I'm sure that most people wouldn't be that upset if they had to pull the seat open for themselves surely?

I've always thought that slamming the door in someone's face is bad manners, or calling someone a C U Next Tuesday, but now I should probably look out for pulling the seat out for someone who can't use their own hands. What's next? Feeding the other person.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by RhysJones

It's just plain decency from my perspective, I totally agree with Brandi. It's just being polite like opening a dor for someone or a guy pulling out a woman's chair

no she was demanding she go first simply because shes a woman...thats plain sexist and ignorant too...shes a misandrist man hater you can tell the way she constantly attacks chad and of course from her appalling show

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

[Ashsleigh]

Originally Posted by the truth

Ah that's it, condescend the woman. A true egalitarian x