[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The media attacked MJ for his voice, body, face , skin & sexuality.

For the millionth time it wasn't just boys he spent time with , that was a dumb narrative pushed to accuse him of being "creepy paedophile with a boy fetishi" which again is offensive . They tried to out him from the closest, even though he clearly liked women.

What I find Bizarre and stupid is how they say nothing about the girls he hanged around with, so I guess if people think you're a paedophile it doesn't matter if you spend time with any little girls as apparently you only molest little boys .

Surely if they genuinely thought he was dangerous they wouldn't let ANY kids around him .

That's like saying men were safe around jack the ripper just because he had a thing for killing women . Their logic is flawed.

MJ went about things the wrong way ,but I truly believe he was naive and as he didn't have a proper childhood he was trying to relive that. If he was this "evil monster" people paint Jim as then they'd try and bring him to justice instead of trying to extort money from him.

Macaulay cullin spent a hell of alot of time with him and do did other children and they say nothing happened. They all have happy memories plus his Neverland home was filled with cameras and staff .

He was investigated for 10 years and all clear .

That's like saying of a rapist, well he never raped his neighbour Mary so therefore he couldn't have raped anyone. That's not a good argument

[Parmy]

As far as the public is concerned it's just about always women slagging famous women off for no other reason than jealousy.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Josy

Something I was thinking about after a discussion in another thread.

Do you think celebs/famous people are all treated the same by the media and the public?

Just as an example the way Caroline Flack or Roxanne palette were shown in the media and the publics response compared to say Ant Mcpartlin

He was Drunk Driving
No One Died.

Nothing like that sad star of ITV who Hanged herself

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's like saying of a rapist, well he never raped his neighbour Mary so therefore he couldn't have raped anyone. That's not a good argument

Not really as if you thought someone was dangerous you wouldn't let anyone near him . He had the biggest target on his back and made silly mistakes by letting children into his home to stay.

They don't care about the little girls that stayed with him or spent time with him, yet they paint him as this "serial paedophile" who can't control himself .

Why did all the accusers want money? , they cared more about that than anything else.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

As I've said before it seems to take death especially suicide for people to suddenly think, oh no they were treated badly .

But it also depends what their scandal is and who the person is , Caroline was under scrutiny for the domestic abuse thing, Roxanne literally tried to ruin someone's life on TV .

Ant embarrassed himself and put others in danger on the road,but he got help and is doing well and he's popular .

I find it disgusting how Alexandra Burke got treated on strictly yet she did nothing wrong, Cliff Richard & MJ were cleared yet people still call them horrible things .

MJ's death changed nothing and he still gets his reputation tarnished .

MJ in particular was treated awfully by the press even before any allegations ,so much so he wrote a song about it (Leave me Alone) poor guy could not breathe for so many vile stories.

[Alf]

Without the media, these celebrities wouldn't be celebrities. They sell their souls for Yankee Dollar, they know what it's all about.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by parmnion

As far as the public is concerned it's just about always women slagging famous women off for no other reason than jealousy.

So no men "slagged" Caroline Flack off, it was all just women? Don't be ridiculous. More sexism to add to the mix though.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Not really as if you thought someone was dangerous you wouldn't let anyone near him . He had the biggest target on his back and made silly mistakes by letting children into his home to stay.

They don't care about the little girls that stayed with him or spent time with him, yet they paint him as this "serial paedophile" who can't control himself .

Why did all the accusers want money? , they cared more about that than anything else.

Well we've already had this debate over and over at the time of documentary. I disagree with your points of view on it but I don't want to turn this whole topic into another MJ thread and get off the topic completely

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

MJ in particular was treated awfully by the press even before any allegations ,so much so he wrote a song about it (Leave me Alone) poor guy could not breathe for so many vile stories.

Exactly it was horrible, even when he died they still kept talking about his face and his death body .

And then last year those idiots go and make a mockumentary propaganda movie accusing him , they just won't leave him alone even in death .

[Jordan.]

There seems to be more money to be made in tearing down women. They also get nitpicked at more especially when it comes to appearance.

[Marsh.]

Definitely not.

But it also depends on whether the reporters choose to slant a story from a more compassionate or a more disparaging angle.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well we've already had this debate over and over at the time of documentary. I disagree with your points of view on it but I don't want to turn this whole topic into another MJ thread and get off the topic completely

Okay fine but if you think someone is a serial child molester you wouldn't let ANY kids around him. No matter what his fetish is.

There was footage of MJ holding a little girl , and a reporter deliberately LIED and said he was bouncing a little boy on his knee instead . And she tried to twist it into something innapropriate.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

My view is that Ant was treated with a little more compassion; there was more talk about his mental health and his alcoholism, there seemed to be more empathy for him. Whereas the immediate knee-jerk reaction after Caroline's arrest was more focused on hoping she wouldn't be let off a domestic violence charge just because she's a woman. As far as I remember, most of the venom towards Ant online was from his ex-wife.

I might have that wrong, but it;s my take on it.

Just from daily mail when I've scanned Ant stories in the past the comments are full of hate for his (now ex) mrs rather than him. Despite, apart from the facts of Ant's addiction and drink driving conviction we don't actually know anything about the circumstances of their relationship really. But she got immediate hate for "not supporting him". People can be crazy.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So no men "slagged" Caroline Flack off, it was all just women? Don't be ridiculous. More sexism to add to the mix though.

Perhaps they did after she allegedly assaulted her partner..but in general it does come across on social.media that it's mainly women slagging of famous women
..


Im positive the stats would prove this to be true as well.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

There seems to be more money to be made in tearing down women. They also get nitpicked at more especially when it comes to appearance.

...or their choice of partners or their wight gain or their weight loss or their new hairstyle...etc.....

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Perhaps they did after she allegedly assaulted her partner..but in general it does come across on social.media that it's mainly women slagging of famous women
..


Im positive the stats would prove this to be true as well.

Mostly blokes commenting originally that "if that were a man they'd be locked up" when it came to Caroline. Not sure what that has to do with jealous women.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So no men "slagged" Caroline Flack off, it was all just women? Don't be ridiculous. More sexism to add to the mix though.

Flack used the Media
to get her Story's in the Press.

She was fair Game
until she broke UK Law
by trying to kill her fella.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Without the media, these celebrities wouldn't be celebrities. They sell their souls for Yankee Dollar, they know what it's all about.

You mean they agree to be destroyed by media who feed on them?

How much money is enough for having your life destroyed? Enlighten us.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Flack used the Media
to get her Story's in the Press.

She was fair Game
until she broke UK Law
by trying to kill her fella.

Show us that inside info or stop making ridiculous allegations.

Fair game. That worked out well

[Ammi]

...Jade Goody, along with Jo and Danielle were some celebrities who got excessive negative media attention...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Show us that inside info or stop making ridiculous allegations.

Fair game. That worked out well

Of Course she was
after it went wrong

Public Media
is not going to change

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...Jade Goody, along with Jo and Danielle were some celebrities who got excessive negative media attention...

Yes she but she went Vile Racist
on Ch4 Live.

But before that her Manager
was pulling in Cash
by using her in Public Shops or other events

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...Jade Goody, along with Jo and Danielle were some celebrities who got excessive negative media attention...

Think you'll find Jade BEARED THE BRUNT of that. Danielle had zero remorse and had a stupid grin on her face , despite her saying worse remarks .She continued to make TV appearances like nothing happened .

Jo squeezed out a few tears and felt bad . But Jade got all the hate , then when she was diagnosed with terminal cancer people felt sympathy for her.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Okay fine but if you think someone is a serial child molester you wouldn't let ANY kids around him. No matter what his fetish is.

There was footage of MJ holding a little girl , and a reporter deliberately LIED and said he was bouncing a little boy on his knee instead . And she tried to twist it into something innapropriate.

Who wouldn't though, the parents? Most parents wouldn't for sure, but not all parents are good or smart parents either

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

You mean they agree to be destroyed by media who feed on them?

How much money is enough for having your life destroyed? Enlighten us.

You'd have to ask them, how much money they can be bought for.

They couldn't buy me, to be a celebrity, for all the money in the World