[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the load of the virus that you get hit with when you get infected has a direct impact on it's severity. So any age group can be affected very badly by it. Thats why health workers are so at risk and why several who are young and healthy have died

Going to an enclosed space with loads of people is asking for trouble as the concentration of virus will be much higher than in an open air space

I think its right that people are concerned at least a little, because that's how they will help protect themselves and others, but other than that, there is nothing to be gained from over anxiety

I was just looking for an article on this I saw last night about the initial viral load.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9451101.html

I'm still a bit confused by how that impacts on passing the virus person to person...Does the initial viral load mean that the person that infects you has to be at a certain stage in their infection and the viral load is so high that there is a much reduced chance of you being able to fight it off?

Or, that it's the overall amount of the virus you are exposed to, as in many different people at varying states of infection?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I was just looking for an article on this I saw last night about the initial viral load.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9451101.html

I'm still a bit confused by how that impacts on passing the virus person to person...Does the initial viral load mean that the person that infects you has to be at a certain stage in their infection and the viral load is so high that there is a much reduced chance of you being able to fight it off?

Or, that it's the overall amount of the virus you are exposed to, as in many different people at varying states of infection?

It basically the concentration of the virus that you breathe in or get on your eyes etc. This virus hides itself from the body for quite a while so it can be some time before your body starts to fight it. If you get a bigger load of the virus, it therefore has more of a chance to take hold within you and do damage before your body has a chance to defend itself

I'm not sure about the various stages of infection and how contagious each stage is, i think they are still trying to work that out

[Kazanne]

I am a little mainly because my brother is a firefighter so still has to work and comes into contact with people at times ,I worry for him and his family more than anything, my children have been kept in and Jay is working from home,so I think we should be ok.

[LaLaLand]

My anxiety or panic disorder that I suffer with is mostly health-related so it’s through the roof atm with all of this.

Panic attack symptoms around the clock in different forms, to the point where I haven’t been able to gulp a drink for over a week because my throat feels like it’s constricting. Horrible.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

My anxiety or panic disorder that I suffer with is mostly health-related so it’s through the roof atm with all of this.

Panic attack symptoms around the clock in different forms, to the point where I haven’t been able to gulp a drink for over a week because my throat feels like it’s constricting. Horrible.

Aww I am sorry to hear about this Lala. I know how horrible panic attacks are. Xx

[JerseyWins]

I mean I'm pretty sure I have it but not personally scared of it (with mild symptoms because aside for about 2 days about a week ago where I felt like I got hit with the worst flu, I've mostly just been stuck with a cold/cough & some fatigue since then)... but worried/scared for my uncle & dad who both have it confirmed and been in the hospital for a few days now trying to get better and stabilize their breathing. I'm still trying to not only quarantine in my house but away from the rest of my family as much as possible so hopefully no one else gets it in the case that I do have it as well.

[LaLaLand]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

I mean I'm pretty sure I have it but not personally scared of it (with mild symptoms because aside for about 2 days about a week ago where I felt like I got hit with the worst flu, I've mostly just been stuck with a cold/cough & some fatigue since then)... but worried/scared for my uncle & dad who both have it confirmed and been in the hospital for a few days now trying to get better and stabilize their breathing. I'm still trying to not only quarantine in my house but away from the rest of my family as much as possible so hopefully no one else gets it in the case that I do have it as well.

Sending you and your family my best wishes Jersey. Hope all will be okay very soon.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

I mean I'm pretty sure I have it but not personally scared of it (with mild symptoms because aside for about 2 days about a week ago where I felt like I got hit with the worst flu, I've mostly just been stuck with a cold/cough & some fatigue since then)... but worried/scared for my uncle & dad who both have it confirmed and been in the hospital for a few days now trying to get better and stabilize their breathing. I'm still trying to not only quarantine in my house but away from the rest of my family as much as possible so hopefully no one else gets it in the case that I do have it as well.

Wishing you well Jersey

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

I mean I'm pretty sure I have it but not personally scared of it (with mild symptoms because aside for about 2 days about a week ago where I felt like I got hit with the worst flu, I've mostly just been stuck with a cold/cough & some fatigue since then)... but worried/scared for my uncle & dad who both have it confirmed and been in the hospital for a few days now trying to get better and stabilize their breathing. I'm still trying to not only quarantine in my house but away from the rest of my family as much as possible so hopefully no one else gets it in the case that I do have it as well.

All the best to you all x

[user104658]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

I mean I'm pretty sure I have it but not personally scared of it (with mild symptoms because aside for about 2 days about a week ago where I felt like I got hit with the worst flu, I've mostly just been stuck with a cold/cough & some fatigue since then)... but worried/scared for my uncle & dad who both have it confirmed and been in the hospital for a few days now trying to get better and stabilize their breathing. I'm still trying to not only quarantine in my house but away from the rest of my family as much as possible so hopefully no one else gets it in the case that I do have it as well.

You could have post-viral fatigue, the cough persisting after the virus has cleared (for several weeks) is apparently very common. Official NHS advice is that you're not at risk of infecting others after 14 days have passed from symptoms starting, so long as you don't have a temperature. You can actually return to work (those who even still have work) with the cough. That comes directly from NHS occupational health.

Obviously it's fine to be as cautious as you want to be, though.

[Livia]

I wish you and your family all the best, Jersey x

[Kizzy]

Right, when I think 'viral load' I think how concentrated the dose.. as in 1 droplet of fluid, say from a cough from someone infected for say 2 days would be less dangerous a dose as an identical size droplet from someone infected for 9 days?

Should you come into contact with more than one person at differing stages what happens then? Even if they are both so early in their infection they are asymptomatic many would be too compromised by this to fight it at all. :/

[Kizzy]

Thinking of you and your family Jersey x

[JerseyWins]

Thanks all for the get well wishes and hopefully everyone recovers

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

We were led to believe it only killed the old or seriously Ill so I wasnt worried but now I see more younger healthier people die its making me a lot more scared of it

I'm staying indoors , I was already self isolated so I'm not worried about myself. I'm more concerned about idiots who go out without wearing gloves or a mask .

And I heard a disgusting news story about a vile scumbag spitting in a police officer's face saying "she hopes he catches the virus" . What a horrible person, how would she like it if she gets it .

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm staying indoors , I was already self isolated so I'm not worried about myself. I'm more concerned about idiots who go out without wearing gloves or a mask .

And I heard a disgusting news story about a vile scumbag spitting in a police officer's face saying "she hopes he catches the virus" . What a horrible person, how would she like it if she gets it .

Well that's most people who aren't wearing gloves or a mask and it's debatable how much good they both do tbf

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well that's most people who aren't wearing gloves or a mask and it's debatable how much good they both do tbf

Did you see the NHS staff , they have the full suit and everything to protect. I know they're most at risk . But if you're going out without protection then you're also at risk.

This isn't a joke, people are dying literally ! .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Did you see the NHS staff , they have the full suit and everything to protect. I know they're most at risk . But if you're going out without protection then you're also at risk.

This isn't a joke, people are dying literally ! .

The NHS staff are getting up close with patients, you should be 2m away from the person next to you when out

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The NHS staff are getting up close with patients, you should be 2m away from the person next to you when out

They have to get close as they're treating the patients, hence all the equipment protection gear they're wearing.

Problem is not everyone is following the 2m rule when they go out galavanting, I know most people are listening though.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well that's most people who aren't wearing gloves or a mask and it's debatable how much good they both do tbf

I can't understand this logic. It's debatable how much good they do?

At work I wear gloves, I wash my hands with the gloves on dozens of times in a 12hr shift, this keeps both my hands protected from the constant washing and my gloves clean.

As long as you treat your gloved hands in the same manner you would an ungloved hand in the circumstances what's the difference?

With masks most it seems are disposable and therefore are only effective for a time, that said were they not effective why are they worn at all?...why have they been staple PPE for generations?

Ideally for me PPE should be just that, personal, as in reusable... washable, with a filter. These could be manufactured cheaply and easily or homemade.

What evidence is there that PPE of this kind does not do any good out of interest?..Sounds like misinformation to me tbf.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I can't understand this logic. It's debatable how much good they do?

At work I wear gloves, I wash my hands with the gloves on dozens of times in a 12hr shift, this keeps both my hands protected from the constant washing and my gloves clean.

As long as you treat your gloved hands in the same manner you would an ungloved hand in the circumstances what's the difference?

With masks most it seems are disposable and therefore are only effective for a time, that said were they not effective why are they worn at all?...why have they been staple PPE for generations?

Ideally for me PPE should be just that, personal, as in reusable... washable, with a HEPA filter. These could be manufactured cheaply and easily or homemade.

What evidence is there that PPE of this kind does not do any good out of interest?..Sounds like misinformation to me tbf.

Well that's the thing, you do have to do everything just the same with gloves on as if you weren't wearing any gloves. People can think they're safe with gloves on but can still infect themselves just as easily. And the advice with masks has always been that you should wear them if you're symptomatic or if you're caring for someone. I didn't say they do no good and obviously it doesn't hurt to wear them but people aren't 'idiots' if they're not wearing them

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well that's the thing, you do have to do everything just the same with gloves on as if you weren't wearing any gloves. People can think they're safe with gloves on but can still infect themselves just as easily. And the advice with masks has always been that you should wear them if you're symptomatic or if you're caring for someone. I didn't say they do no good and obviously it doesn't hurt to wear them but people aren't 'idiots' if they're not wearing them

At this time , things have took such a vast turn . I believe everyone should be wearing masks & gloves when going out. If not then atleast cover your face with a scarf or something.

All you have to do is disinfect everything when you get home, you're supposed to wash your hands when you get back home anyway.

Also wipe down post & deliveries , to reduce risk of germs.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well that's the thing, you do have to do everything just the same with gloves on as if you weren't wearing any gloves. People can think they're safe with gloves on but can still infect themselves just as easily. And the advice with masks has always been that you should wear them if you're symptomatic or if you're caring for someone. I didn't say they do no good and obviously it doesn't hurt to wear them but people aren't 'idiots' if they're not wearing them

I amended the post you quoted it had said HEPA fliter, thinking they were what masks were...they're not.
I still stand by the use of a mask of some description.
If you have it but are asymptomatic then what?...
'It's debatable how much good they do' for me says you don't necessarily feel they do any good, It depends on the circumstances whether I feel people are idiots for not wearing one. Personally even if you had mild asthma I would wear one if you have to work or are out shopping say.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm staying indoors , I was already self isolated so I'm not worried about myself. I'm more concerned about idiots who go out without wearing gloves or a mask .

And I heard a disgusting news story about a vile scumbag spitting in a police officer's face saying "she hopes he catches the virus" . What a horrible person, how would she like it if she gets it .

They have confirmed that Gloves are useless especially when your touching your phone, keys,shopping at whatever with them on

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

They have confirmed that Gloves are useless especially when your touching your phone, keys,shopping at whatever with them on

Be that as it may , you can still take those precautions. And I don't know about you but I have antibacterial wipes. Plus Washing of hands aswell regularly.