[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't like the Tories . But I don't think a Labour government that came into power at the end of 2019 would be doing any better, the mistakes are historic not current, the Tories have plenty to answer for in terms of the state of the health service but the warnings were there years before the CamClegg coalition... Labour ignored them too.

You have no idea how any other governments would have responded.
I don't listen to the 'we would have done xyz' as it's impossible to know if they would have done what they say they would, but we can't say with any certainty they would have done as badly or worse.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

to be honest none of you or I are in any position to say so its just "i dont like the tories" again

Pretty much this,

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Pretty much this,

Except that's exactly what you have said kaz...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You have no idea how any other governments would have responded.

I don't listen to the 'we would have done xyz' as it's impossible to know if they would have done what they say they would, but we can't say with any certainty they would have done as badly or worse.

That's why I said "I don't think" they would have done better, not "they wouldn't" have done better.

As you say we can't say for certain if they'd have done better, worse or the same.

I personally think it would have been more or less the same in terms of lockdown response, though if Corbyn was PM I strongly suspect they'd be implementing universal income (which would be a good thing).

[LaLaLand]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Considering they knowingly let it run through people for a good week, before deciding to do anything at all, I’d say not

Basically.

[Kizzy]

I really balk at the assertion too that any criticism of the govt response is somehow anti British... that old trope comes out at every challenge we face and it's wrong.

Question everything.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I really balk at the assertion too that any criticism of the govt response is somehow anti British... that old trope comes out at every challenge we face and it's wrong.

Question everything.

This has been common since the vote in 2016. I mean, some people have always believed it but its become more common; believing that criticising the active government is in some way undemocratic, or unpatriotic.

When actually shadow governments, opposition, criticism and protest are the barrier between democracy and autocracy... So it's actually the people who want to do away with those things who are undemocratic and thus (in a country that supposedly cherishes democracy) unpatriotic.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Pretty much this,

So that explains why you’re one of the few that clicked good job lol

[bots]

i will decide if they have done a good job when their job is actually finished rather than just started

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

your basis for judging it a cock up is flawed you dont have any basis to judge it.

lets see your credentials in virology, epidemiology, managing millions, governmental policy?

you dont have any and i expect your "data" comes from papers, facebook and twitter

I am not on face****** or twatter

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Withano

So that explains why you’re one of the few that clicked good job lol

I clicked good job as i think that is what they have done,simple as.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I clicked good job as i think that is what they have done,simple as.

So it’s only the ones that think they haven’t that are biased then?

[Denver]

I dont think it's fair to properly judge until the end result

[Samm]

Matt Hancock has definitely screwed up on this, I don’t reckon he’ll last long after this is all over. Rishi Sunak is the only high up MP who’s done some sort of a good job, but only because he’s done what’s HAD to happen at the end of the day.

However I have noticed every press briefing that hasn’t included boris has been good, boris is awful because he dodges/avoids questions while most of the other tory MPs actually try to answer them in some lengths.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So it’s only the ones that think they haven’t that are biased then?

Well lets face it whatever they did even if it was brilliant it would still not be worthy of praise for some people.

[Beso]

The population hasn't taken care of itself, pure and simple.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The population hasn't taken care of itself, pure and simple.

People need haircuts so they can look half decent

[caprimint]

Nobody could have done better than King Boris

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Nobody could have done better than King Boris

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I clicked good job as i think that is what they have done,simple as.

Oh right. So it’s only the people who disagree with you that must be biased. Interesting how that worked out.

Forgot what a mass-baiter you were haha.

[Tom4784]

Not really given that they were originally content to sacrifice the old and vulnerable in hopes of herd immunity winning out to begin with. While they walked it back and offered a fairly good payment package for workers, it's difficult to forget that this Tory government seemed all too willing to let people die rather than do what needed to be done.

Also, every major country's leadership was made aware of the danger back in January, the fact that nothing more was done to prevent a pandemic back then is repugnant. Rishi Sunak is the Tories' MVP for this crisis.

[Smithy]

The WHO actually informed them in December of what could happen

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Smithy

The WHO actually informed them in December of what could happen

This was on Jan 14th

[bots]

none of this can really be judged until a year or more down the line. All we can do for now realistically is keep the government on it's toes with regard to current processes. It's not perfect just now for sure, but if people think the 10k death figure is bad, it would have been an awful lot worse without a lock down.

In the same way that New York does not reflect the rest of the USA, the same is true of London, which is driving the figures much higher

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

This was on Jan 14th

Please stop spreading misinformation!!

Josy warned other members about this you must have missed the memo. Here is a WHO timeline, educate yourself.



Pneumonia of unknown cause reported to WHO China Office

31 December 2019

'At the close of 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of a pneumonia of unknown cause, detected in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, China. According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market.*

Staying in close contact with national authorities, WHO began monitoring the situation and requested further information on the laboratory tests performed and the different diagnoses considered.'

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...as-they-happen