[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Just being able to walk down the street without being persecuted for being black or gay would be a better way to live.

Originally Posted by Liam-

Mocking the social anxieties of minorities is a great look guys

It's never once occurred to me to worry about being "persecuted" for being gay Because, as Cherie said, I don't live in the middle east.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's never once occurred to me to worry about being "persecuted" for being gay Because, as Cherie said, I don't live in the middle east.

Well good for you

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's never once occurred to me to worry about being "persecuted" for being gay Because, as Cherie said, I don't live in the middle east.

Mixed race rather than gay and the worst I've ever experienced is the occasional funny look from the odd meat-head.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DigitalSid

Mixed race rather than gay and the worst I've ever experienced is the occasional funny look from the odd meat-head.

Yeah, the world some people seem to live in where minorities need to keep one eye open all the time doesn't really match reality.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah, the world some people seem to live in where minorities need to keep one eye open all the time doesn't really match reality.

Honestly I think you're wrong or maybe just haven't experienced it Oliver. One of my best friends has been with his partner for 10+ years, married for 3 years, and of course the fact that they can get married is brilliant and makes us lightyears ahead of other parts of the world.

There are still "parts of Glasgow where they can freely hold hands, and parts of Glasgow where they can't". The city they've lived in since they met. I still find this one of the saddest things I can imagine. I've (obviously) never had to think twice about absent-mindedly taking my wife's hand in public and can't even imagine it.

One of the only physical fights I've been in in my life (which is less than 10 even in the school yard, and only two as an adult) was with people who were harassing him because he's gay.

It's very clearly still a real thing in this country. We can acknowledge that things are MUCH better than in some countries whilst still admitting that there are massive problems. In fact you can't even ignore the global situation when there are married couples in the UK who have to carefully research where they travel abroad based on whether or not they could be imprisoned or worse for sharing a hotel room.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah, the world some people seem to live in where minorities need to keep one eye open all the time doesn't really match reality.

No, it doesn’t match your reality, if you’ve never experienced that anxiety, then like I said, good for you, well done, want a medal? It happens to people, people feel the anxiety, maybe you’re privileged to live somewhere nice and quiet where nobody bothers anyone, but out in the real world, it’s different, just because you’re lucky enough to have never felt it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

[Liam-]

The difference is that award shows like the MOBOs were created to honour and celebrate creations by people who were often overlooked and weren’t respected because of their race, white people and their creations have never had to face that.

These projections of ‘you wouldn’t like it if it was whites only!’ are very correct, but that’s because white only things would be born out of ignorance and racism, rather than being born from a desire to be properly recognised for a change.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The difference is that award shows like the MOBOs were created to honour and celebrate creations by people who were often overlooked and weren’t respected because of their race, white people and their creations have never had to face that.

These projections of ‘you wouldn’t like it if it was whites only!’ are very correct, but that’s because white only things would be born out of ignorance and racism, rather than being born from a desire to be properly recognised for a change.

I see your point to some extent...but I don’t believe that black music was not celebrated because white people didn’t respect black music because of lack of respect of their race. This country imo has embraced black music and is now prominent in the music industry.
However relating to this thread...there really is no need for Black pound day. It’s unnecessary and imo just antagonise integration.

[Brother Leon]

It’s just ONE day of recognition and appreciation for a strongly under represented community of business. Some really don’t want to see Black people prosper huh?

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

It’s just ONE day of recognition and appreciation for a strongly under represented community of business. Some really don’t want to see Black people prosper huh?

That's not it though, it's just completely pointless

[Ammi]

...I really feel Leon’s frustration/deflation......it’s meant to be something positive and uplifting and a boost for black owned businesses in a way that enhances inclusivity, not creates diversity...for people to share positive experiences of their ‘black pound investment’...there is very much a point of that at a time when the black community has felt such a low ...this is one thing that is being hoped to help counter that...the ‘black pound’ has surely always supported the ‘white pound’ and always will ...this is just occasional days for us to channel some of that support to boost black businesses as well...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

It’s just ONE day of recognition and appreciation for a strongly under represented community of business. Some really don’t want to see Black people prosper huh?

No I would buy from Black Owned Business
Quality Goods
are Worthy

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

No I would buy from Black Owned Business
Quality Goods
are Worthy

..Arista....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Ridiculous comment...

Most of us know that is not what you meant Rusti

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Ridiculous comment...

It’s not at all.

“All Lives Matter”

“Defund the Police LOL”

“Rioters are destroying the whole cause”

“What’s the point of celebrating black business. It just creates tensions and a split nation”



It’s just endless bull**** excuse upon a excuse to try and put down anything related to Equality and fair representation to Black people.

If you really think one day where we can uplift and celebrate Black Business is creating a split amongst people and so unfair, when we live in a country that’s voted for Brexit and a Government that has promoted exactly that then I don’t even know where to begin.

It’s a positive day where we can promote and push ourselves up so we can shine and yet some want to still try and twist it into a negative. . Maybe just admit to yourselves that you are much happier with the status quo and be done with it.


And that doesn’t go just to you. It goes to anyone that keeps coming up with these sort of comments all the time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

It’s not at all.

“All Lives Matter”

“Defund the Police LOL”

“Rioters are destroying the whole cause”

“What’s the point of celebrating black business. It just creates tensions and a split nation”



It’s just endless bull**** excuse upon a excuse to try and put down anything related to Equality and fair representation to Black people.

If you really think one day where we can uplift and celebrate Black Business is creating a split amongst people and so unfair, when we live in a country that’s voted for Brexit and a Government that has promoted exactly that then I don’t even know where to begin.

It’s a positive day where we can promote and push ourselves up so we can shine and yet some want to still try and twist it into a negative. . Maybe just admit to yourselves that you are much happier with the status quo and be done with it.


And that doesn’t go just to you. It goes to anyone that keeps coming up with these sort of comments all the time.

Didn't you say that Corbyn was stitched up by the media only to see last week a Labour enquiry find it was poor policy and mismanagent?

Maybe you are also wrong here?

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Didn't you say that Corbyn was stitched up by the media only to see last week a Labour enquiry find it was poor policy and mismanagent?

Maybe you are also wrong here?

Not sure what that has to do with anything I just said....


But even then, anyone can see the clear media agenda that was against Corbyn throughout his leadership. That doesn’t necessarily have to be the only reason for his defeat though you know..

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

It’s not at all.

“All Lives Matter”

“Defund the Police LOL”

“Rioters are destroying the whole cause”

“What’s the point of celebrating black business. It just creates tensions and a split nation”



It’s just endless bull**** excuse upon a excuse to try and put down anything related to Equality and fair representation to Black people.

If you really think one day where we can uplift and celebrate Black Business is creating a split amongst people and so unfair, when we live in a country that’s voted for Brexit and a Government that has promoted exactly that then I don’t even know where to begin.

It’s a positive day where we can promote and push ourselves up so we can shine and yet some want to still try and twist it into a negative. . Maybe just admit to yourselves that you are much happier with the status quo and be done with it.


And that doesn’t go just to you. It goes to anyone that keeps coming up with these sort of comments all the time.

I get what you're saying Brother Leon, but the only thing I do agree with the other side of the debate on is that rioters will harm the Black Lives Matter movement as the victims and their families will probably tarnish the group to all be the same.

Personally on this particular issue I don't get why people are so bothered about black businesses being promoted for one day as a special occasion?

[Strictly Jake]

Has anyone seen katie hopkins insta post about this

And all the comments on her insta posts(all her posts are pretty terrible)

She is a clear racist and so are most of her followers. I was actually quite ignorant to the fact that the UK isnt as racist as America but there is a lot of racism clearly

I actually liked katie hopkins when she was a housemate but I cant believe how disgusting she is. All attention seeking im sure

[Oliver_W]

Jesus, who comes up with these things

It sounds like something Mrs Bucket would drag her long-suffering neighbour along to, and wander round loudly admiring her "Minority Made Produce" so everyone knows how accepting and worldly she is.

[Beso]

Nobody said thank you.


Cheers!!

[Brother Leon]

London is one of the most multicultural cities in the world, if not THE most. I love it and wouldn’t want to live anywhere else, yet my father has still suffered Racism and Islamaphobia. My friend has dealt with Homophobia and I’ve constantly be interrogated when I went to a fairly posh part of london to see my Fiancé when she lived with her parents as I “don’t look like I live here”.

In fact. Pretty much the only times I’ve ever got into physical confrontations is due to prejudice behaviour towards me or people I care about. If you’ve never had to feel that way then great for you, but don’t tell minorities that they have no no reason to feel anxious or isolated.