[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am sure that every Jackson sibling knows that MJ was a paedo but they are happy to deny it as it would effect them and their cushy lives of adoration and wealth

they would rather lie and defend a paedo than risk what they have

what a vile family of vipers

Terrible family, always has been ,remember one of them calling Jade Goody and her family " White trash " Ive never believed and never will believe any of the children are naturally his, Paris is the image of Mark Lesters daughter ,he lied on Martin Bashiers documentary about Blanket ,saying 1st time he was in a relationship with his mother, then when asked again said he had never met her, she was a surrogate

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

remember one of them calling Jade Goody and her family " White trash "

Did that happen though

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

Did that happen though

Yes it did

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

Did that happen though

Yeah it did

Jermaine said it

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

Yeah it did

Jermaine said it

did he lie though?

they were white trash, Jade and her mother
here we'd say chav but in this case it's the same thing

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Yes it did

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

Yeah it did

Jermaine said it

Oh I didn’t know that

[Twosugars]

tbf, Peter Pan syndrome would explain a lot without resorting to him being a paedo

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

tbf, Peter Pan syndrome would explain a lot without resorting to him being a paedo

Also would him being a dirty,filthy pervert

[Parmy]

Does anyone know if it's true they found pictures of naked boys at neverland?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Does anyone know if it's true they found pictures of naked boys at neverland?

Ive heard of this but how true i dont know, but they found porn with MJ and kids fingerprints on

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ive heard of this but how true i dont know, but they found porn with MJ and kids fingerprints on

I'm sure they found pictures of naked boys but it wasn't an offence to have them in that state.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I'm sure they found pictures of naked boys but it wasn't an offence to have them in that state.

It rings a bell

What I would like to know from the MJ fans is .....Why did MJ settle out of court to shut up Jordy's family ? An innocent man would never have done that

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

It rings a bell

What I would like to know from the MJ fans is .....Why did MJ settle out of court to shut up Jordy's family ? An innocent man would never have done that

HE didn't ,he wanted it to go through the courts ,if you watch the vids it was something to do with insurers or something like that they advised him to pay out,dont believe all those rag tops Chuff ,same as the photos there were none,its all hearsay from rag tops.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ive heard of this but how true i dont know, but they found porn with MJ and kids fingerprints on

It's not true ,watch the vids

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's not true ,watch the vids

Michael Jackson’s California home contained a considerable stash of pornography as well as sexual imagery featuring children, S&M and animal torture, according to purported police reports from the 2003 investigation of the superstar for child molestation.

Jackson’s Neverland Ranch near Santa Barbara was raided in November 2003, shortly before the Thriller singer was charged with seven counts of child molestation and two counts of providing an intoxicant to a minor under the age of 14.

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The report from the raid was never made public. But now Radar Online has obtained what appear to be the case documents. Among the items found at Jackson's home were images of children bleeding or in pain, and of children’s faces superimposed onto adult bodies, the gossip site reported.

Many of the images included in the documents could be described as erotic or provocative art photography, including works from a book entitled The Fourth Sex, by artists such as the Chapman Brothers and Tracey Emin. Other books found by police contained images of children nude or in swimwear. There were also multiple porn magazines and videos in the star’s bedroom and bathroom, including recent issues of Hustler’s Barely Legal and Girls of Penthouse.

Ron Zonen, formerly of the Santa Barbara District Attorney’s office, who worked on the Jackson prosecution, told Radar that many of the materials were used to “desensitise” the children whom the star was allegedly grooming for abuse. “We identified five different boys, who all made allegations of sexual abuse,” Mr Zonen said. “There’s not much question in my mind that Michael was guilty of child molestation.”


Copied from the Independent

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Michael Jackson’s California home contained a considerable stash of pornography as well as sexual imagery featuring children, S&M and animal torture, according to purported police reports from the 2003 investigation of the superstar for child molestation.

Jackson’s Neverland Ranch near Santa Barbara was raided in November 2003, shortly before the Thriller singer was charged with seven counts of child molestation and two counts of providing an intoxicant to a minor under the age of 14.

Read more

Read more Memoir reveals Michael Jackson enjoyed laughing at Prince messing up
The report from the raid was never made public. But now Radar Online has obtained what appear to be the case documents. Among the items found at Jackson's home were images of children bleeding or in pain, and of children’s faces superimposed onto adult bodies, the gossip site reported.

Many of the images included in the documents could be described as erotic or provocative art photography, including works from a book entitled The Fourth Sex, by artists such as the Chapman Brothers and Tracey Emin. Other books found by police contained images of children nude or in swimwear. There were also multiple porn magazines and videos in the star’s bedroom and bathroom, including recent issues of Hustler’s Barely Legal and Girls of Penthouse.

Ron Zonen, formerly of the Santa Barbara District Attorney’s office, who worked on the Jackson prosecution, told Radar that many of the materials were used to “desensitise” the children whom the star was allegedly grooming for abuse. “We identified five different boys, who all made allegations of sexual abuse,” Mr Zonen said. “There’s not much question in my mind that Michael was guilty of child molestation.”


Copied from the Independent

I've seen it already Chuff,there were no photos.C'mon IF there was photos they would have been used as evidence,lol

[LaLaLand]

I've just finished watching ep 1 of Leaving Neverland and it's just left me with a horrible feeling, feeling sick actually.

The graphic details of what went down just, ergh. Horrific. I don't know if I can actually face ep 2 if it's in the same vein.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

I've just finished watching ep 1 of Leaving Neverland and it's just left me with a horrible feeling, feeling sick actually.

The graphic details of what went down just, ergh. Horrific. I don't know if I can actually face ep 2 if it's in the same vein.

The second episode doesn't really go into details like the first one

[Kazanne]

These are really interesting too,

Youtube video

Youtube video

Youtube video

Youtube video

[Nicky91]

UGH why now and not when he was still alive


back when MJ was still alive they could've punished him, now not anymore, now we can only talk about it

[LaLaLand]

I find it awful that the majority of people on social media etc are basically just flat-out dismissing the two guy's revelations as lies, regardless of the trial and all that stuff, JUST BECAUSE it's MJ they're accusing. We all know that in terms of these cases, and some more serious, that correct justice does not always prevail.

I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve them, I just don't think anybody would make stuff like this up, especially in such detail and in such a big way like this (regardless of their sketchy behaviour in history [Wade] - which could have been a result OF said abuse), the way in which they've basically been lynched by many is one of the big reasons why abuse victims never come forward, for fear of being called a liar.

I dunno what to think.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

I find it awful that the majority of people on social media etc are basically just flat-out dismissing the two guy's revelations as lies, regardless of the trial and all that stuff, JUST BECAUSE it's MJ they're accusing. We all know that in terms of these cases, and some more serious, that correct justice does not always prevail.

I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve them, I just don't think anybody would make stuff like this up, especially in such detail and in such a big way like this (regardless of their sketchy behaviour in history [Wade] - which could have been a result OF said abuse), the way in which they've basically been lynched by many is one of the big reasons why abuse victims never come forward, for fear of being called a liar.

I dunno what to think.

I cannot remember this happening with Rolf Harris and Savilles victims ?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I cannot remember this happening with Rolf Harris and Savilles victims ?

Then your memory fails you. Because it did.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Then your memory fails you. Because it did.

Yes, Vicky posted the Saville thread yesterday, it was jammed full of familiar faces insisting that Saville's accusers were "after money". Honestly a fascinating read given that it was a full 7 years ago. So I guess you have to assume that social media was similar.

TBH quite a few people STILL defend ol' Harris.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

I find it awful that the majority of people on social media etc are basically just flat-out dismissing the two guy's revelations as lies, regardless of the trial and all that stuff, JUST BECAUSE it's MJ they're accusing. We all know that in terms of these cases, and some more serious, that correct justice does not always prevail.

I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve them, I just don't think anybody would make stuff like this up, especially in such detail and in such a big way like this (regardless of their sketchy behaviour in history [Wade] - which could have been a result OF said abuse), the way in which they've basically been lynched by many is one of the big reasons why abuse victims never come forward, for fear of being called a liar.

I dunno what to think.

And that’s blinded loyalty....people who adored him, awestruck. The very people who discredit two men who at the tender age of 7 were groomed by MJ and adored him but can’t understand their loyalty to him whilst he was alive.