[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Why did they urinate on dead bodies for? it's unnecessary and vulgar.

this.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Salman!

this.

Why did the Native Americans cut off the scalps of white settlers in America after the various battles?

Taking trophies and demeaning the dead of the enemy is part of war historically. This is not new.

Originally Posted by lostalex

Why did the Native Americans cut off the scalps of white settlers in America after the various battles?

Taking trophies and demeaning the dead of the enemy is part of war historically. This is not new.

You really don't want to bring up native Americans as an American. Your treatment of them was appalling, and inexcusable.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You really don't want to bring up native Americans as an American. Your treatment of them was appalling, and inexcusable.

compared to what? compared to the wars for land in europe? you must be joking. North America has nothing to be ashamed of compared to the other continents. North America is the least violent continent in history except for Antartica and Australia(which really isn't a true continent)

South America, Europe, Africa, and Asia have been far worse than anything that's happened in North America.

[Me. I Am Salman]

doesnt matter who you are. nobody deserves to get pissed on when they die. pricks need to be chucked out the army NOW!!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Salman!

doesnt matter who you are. nobody deserves to get pissed on when they die. pricks need to be chucked out the army NOW!!

Try telling that to a group of generally poorly educated young men who a few minutes earlier were fighting for their lives. Men who go through the same sort of extreme high pressure day, for weeks on end.

Men who know if they get taken captive by the enemy who hates them with a religious fervour wont be treated according to the Geneva Convention but will be tortured in the most painful way by that same enemy.

Live under those conditions for a few weeks and maybe you will start to understand why they did what they did.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Try telling that to a group of generally poorly educated young men who a few minutes earlier were fighting for their lives. Men who go through the same sort of extreme high pressure day, for weeks on end.

Men who know if they get taken captive by the enemy who hates them with a religious fervour wont be treated according to the Geneva Convention but will be tortured in the most painful way by that same enemy.

Live under those conditions for a few weeks and maybe you will start to understand why they did what they did.

i still wouldn't piss on a dead human being.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Salman!

i still wouldn't piss on a dead human being.

There is an aphorism/adage credited to the Native American that states you should never condemn a man till you have walked a mile (spent a day/week) in his moccasins.

Go through the same things and see how you react before you criticise too hashly.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Shasown

There is an aphorism/adage credited to the Native American that states you should never condemn a man till you have walked a mile (spent a day/week) in his moccasins.

Go through the same things and see how you react before you criticise too hashly.

you seem to be condoning their behaviour when even the American government themselves find the act done by their own soldiers disgusting

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Shasown

There is an aphorism/adage credited to the Native American that states you should never condemn a man till you have walked a mile (spent a day/week) in his moccasins.

Go through the same things and see how you react before you criticise too hashly.

so say if someone gave me a hard life. do i have the right to piss on them after they die?
its inhumane and i cant believe that somebody is actually condoning it

[MTVN]

I suppose it's definitely true that war dehumanises people, it'd be stupid to think things like this, and far worse, haven't gone on in almost every war throughout history, they just didn't have phones to film it on

[Me. I Am Salman]

when American troops potentially put the lives of normal civillians in danger, no wonder more people are signing up to the taliban. they see america as the west sees terrorists.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Salman!

when American troops potentially put the lives of normal civillians in danger, no wonder more people are signing up to the taliban. they see america as the west sees terrorists.

As oppossed to British troops, or australian c=troops or canadian troops or dutch troopps? why are you singling out American troops? don't be stupid. It's NATO in Afghanistan, not America.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

As oppossed to British troops, or australian c=troops or canadian troops or dutch troopps? why are you singling out American troops? don't be stupid. It's NATO in Afghanistan, not America.

Wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that the troops urinating on the dead enemy bodies were American would it? It doesnt look to me as if it was a multi national unit desecrating the bodies.

How would you feel if a video appeared on You Tube where a dead American body was being urinated on by members of the Taliban forces? Maybe with subtitles translating what they were saying.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

How would you feel if a video appeared on You Tube where a dead American body was being urinated on by members of the Taliban forces? Maybe with subtitles translating what they were saying.

Umm, they've done much worse to the bodies of dead American troops and i didn't have a thing to say about it. it's expected. not sure what point you're making.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Umm, they've done much worse to the bodies of dead American troops and i didn't have a thing to say about it. it's expected. not sure what point you're making.

I havent seen any videos posted on You tube though by them doing that have you?

[lostalex]

Don't try to use America as a scapegoat. I'm critical of America in plenty of threads as well, but if you try to use America as a scapegoat unfairly, then i'll educate you. The fact is there is a lot of xenophobic racists against America on this forum, and i have absolutely no guilt about standing up to them. I have no problem talking about the problems in America when it's fair, but when it's unfair, my back will go up, and i'll get just as nasty in response. And i'm perfectly justified in doing so.

Originally Posted by lostalex

Don't try to use America as a scapegoat. I'm critical of America in plenty of threads as well, but if you try to use America as a scapegoat unfairly, then i'll educate you.

Examples of American scapegoating, please?

Examples of the lies you claimed had been spoken in this thread?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Examples of American scapegoating, please?

Examples of the lies you claimed had been spoken in this thread?

lol..
America causes racism, America causes obesity, America causes terrorism, America causes bad movies and destruction of "real culture". need i go on? You must be kidding.

We arn't talking about just THIS thread, obviously. i'm beiong accussed of some how being patriotic and nationalist in all threads, so don't try to make it just about this thread.

Originally Posted by lostalex

lol..
America causes racism, America causes obesity, America causes terrorism, America causes bad movies and destruction of "real culture". need i go on? You must be kidding.

We arn't talking about just THIS thread, obviously. i'm beiong accussed of some how being patriotic and nationalist in all threads, so don't try to make it just about this thread.

Apologies then, but I've never seen/participated in those threads. I thought you were specifically talking about this thread.

[arista]

"Sorry for the injection of realism. "


No Keep at It
We Need Realism

[lostalex]

Obviously i meant the muslim militants in general. Our Enemy. DO you think those soldiers pissing on those bodies gave a fook whether they were taliban, al queada or just some local idiot with a bomb? Ofcourse not. Anyways... Yur just arguing for fun now.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Obviously i meant the muslim militants in general. Our Enemy. DO you think those soldiers pissing on those bodies gave a fook whether they were taliban, al queada or just some local idiot with a bomb? Ofcourse not. Anyways... Yur just arguing for fun now.

No not arguing for fun just pointing out the errors in your arguments. If you dont want your points picked to bits present facts not wild assed fantasies.

Those troops fell short of the standards expected for combatants under the Law of Armed Conflict, under the US Military Code of Justice and under the laws of the US.

Whether or not the current enemy they are fighting or previous enemies they have fought against did similar or worse is of no consequence, they have standards to live up to. Those marines failed to live up to those standards and should be punished.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

No not arguing for fun just pointing out the errors in your arguments. If you dont want your points picked to bits present facts not wild assed fantasies.

Those troops fell short of the standards expected for combatants under the Law of Armed Conflict, under the US Military Code of Justice and under the laws of the US.

Whether or not the current enemy they are fighting or previous enemies they have fought against did similar or worse is of no consequence, they have standards to live up to. Those marines failed to live up to those standards and should be punished.

nothing i said was "wild" or fantastical.

I agree that the marines should have followed the codes of the marines, and i especially think they shouldn't have filmed themselves acting so unprofessionally. we arn't disagreeing about that.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

nothing i said was "wild" or fantastical.

I agree that the marines should have followed the codes of the marines, and i especially think they shouldn't have filmed themselves acting so unprofessionally. we arn't disagreeing about that.

Wildly inaccurate though.

You said that "Umm, they've done much worse to the bodies of dead American " and "i've seen videos of them dragging dead american soldiers". I am not aware of the Taliban mutilating bodies after death.

When I was in Afghanistan - 2002-2003 (pull up a sandbag and swing that tilley) we all knew to be captured by the Taliban you would be tortured and suffer, but your body when dead would be treated fairly decently. Left where it would be found and recovered relatively quickly.

The reasons for that derive from their religious beliefs, you can do what you like to a person especially an enemy while alive within the examples set in the Hadith, but a body becomes sacrosanct even the body of infidels. Besides they like injuries and torture to be apparent on their enemy so that word of the brutality spreads terror among their enemy.