[Cherie]

For me I will judge him as to how he is in the house end of. Everyone makes mistakes in life. Hopefully he has learned from his.

[lime]

It was certainly a racist comment but I don't know enough about him to call him a racist.

I do however question why he felt the need to bring colour into his judgement of the player.As an Afrikaner it reminds me of South Africa were if a white did something stupid they were dumb ,but if a black did the same thing they would be a dumb Kaffer.

[Black Dagger]

I don't think he's a racist... just a moron.

[Livia]

LOL "Get over it". Funny how easily that's said when the issue doesn't affect you.

[Black Dagger]

Oh yes I'm sure Marcel should just bloody get over being called a lazy ******.

[GiRTh]

The only time he apologised was on the Wife swap show and that was when his wife told him to.

[DanaC]

Well...I think he's probably racist to a degree. There are levels of racism.



Coloured was at one time the more politically correct term (as opposed to the N word) it's become unacceptable. Language shifts.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Well...I think he's probably racist to a degree. There are levels of racism.

That's a whole new debate, Inherent racism and all that.

[DanaC]

It's also because saying they are 'coloured' suggests that, rather than simply being a different colour to white people (ie two different colours), white people have no colour, they are simply the norm, whereas black people have a colour.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by DanaC

It's also because saying they are 'coloured' suggests that, rather than simply being a different colour to white people (ie two different colours) it suggests that whte people have no colour, they are simply the norm, whereas black people have a colour.

I think it's best if we as people never ever mention anybody's skin colour as anything in case the old PC brigade wheel up and frisk you off for a seminar.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

I think it's best if we as people never ever mention anybody's skin colour as anything in case the old PC brigade wheel up and frisk you off for a seminar.

Oh those terrible PC brigades. Wanting not to cause unnecesary offence to people.

Never understood why people get so het up about it. If I discover that a word I am accustomed to using is actually offensive to the people that word concerns, why would I wish to dig in my heels against that?

An occasional moment's discomfort over not being sure of the currently acceptable word is worth it for a society that tries not to cause hurt to people because of who or what they are.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Oh those terrible PC brigades. Wanting not to cause unnecesary offence to people.

Never understood why people get so het up about it. If I discover that a word I am accustomed to using is actually offensive to the people that word concerns, why would wish to dig in my heels against that?

An occasional moment's discomfort over not being sure of the currently acceptable word is worth it for a society that tries not to cause hurt to people because of who or what they are.

Because they always go above and beyond their station.


Racism is wrong, good we are sorting it out.

Alan Hanson calls a player coloured on tv with no malice or hint of disgust and the knives are out.

That is what the PC brigade has done. People are now looking to be offended at EVERYTHING.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Because they always go above and beyond their station.


Racism is wrong, good we are sorting it out.

Alan Hanson calls a player coloured on tv with no malice or hint of disgust and the knives are out.

That is what the PC brigade has done. People are now looking to be offended at EVERYTHING.

Yep,Soon we'll be going round saying "IC3 male" instead of "black man",Like the police.PC can be very overboard,Just like the other year when the PC brigade tried to ban Merry Christmas signs incase they offended the muslims.Ridiculous.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

I think it's best if we as people never ever mention anybody's skin colour as anything in case the old PC brigade wheel up and frisk you off for a seminar.

It always makes me smile when people who want other people to be respected for who they are rather than what colour they are or where they come from, are referred to as the "PC Brigade".

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Livia

It always makes me smile when people who want other people to be respected for who they are rather than what colour they are or where they come from, are referred to as the "PC Brigade".

*smiles* well said.

[DanaC]

I think that's more of an American thing: with people wanting tobe called African American instead of black.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I think that's more of an American thing: with people wanting tobe called African American instead of black.

That's not the case either. In my world and my household it has been black for as long as I can remember

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

That's not the case either. In my world and my household it has been black for as long as I can remember

I don't mean all black people in America. I just mean there was a move that came out of America towards the African American label, rather than black. I don't think it was a massive move, I just think it got a lot of airtime (primarily in the form of people having heated arguments and defending their right to continue to use terminology or defending their right not to have to continue to use terminology...:P

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I don't mean all black people in America. I just mean there was a move that came out of America towards the African American label, rather than black. I don't think it was a massive move, I just think it got a lot of airtime (primarily in the form of people having heated arguments and defending their right to continue to use terminology or defending their right not to have to continue to use terminology...:P

They do that alot though with Irish Americans and Italian Americans, seems to be less to to with colour and more to do with roots and where they originated from

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They do that alot though with Irish Americans and Italian Americans, seems to be less to to with colour and more to do with roots and where they originated from

And yet... by far the largest group to migrate to the USA was the English, according to the resource centre at Ellis Island. And yet no one ever hears someone described as an English American.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I don't get how you don't get it. Racism is a straight up choice between a black person and a white person the white person is picked every time no matter how good the black person is no matter how garbage the white person is. Its clear that Ron doesn't respect this philosophy and back in a time when there would have been little fuss he decided to put prejudices to one side and pick the best person for the job.

...he chose the best person for the job because he was good at his job and passionate about it more than anything else, I do believe that but that still doesn't necessarily indicate that he wasn't/isn't racist necessarily though..just that 'sense' of the better player overruled everything else for him..

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

That and far far worse was more than acceptable 30 years ago.

..but it wasn't acceptable 30 years ago though..maybe words terminology was used 30 years ago but it wasn't 'acceptable' then either...

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...he chose the best person for the job because he was good at his job and passionate about it more than anything else, I do believe that but that still doesn't necessarily indicate that he wasn't/isn't racist necessarily though..just that 'sense' of the better player overruled everything else for him..

To a racist , homophobe, sexist etc. Nothing matters more than their stupid little prejudice. I have an uncle who is a very religious 7th day Adventist fool and as soon as he hears the word gay he almost shuts down. I'm not joking. He such a homophobe that nothing else matters to him. Trust me. If Ron was a true racist he most definitely would NOT have played black players, no matter how good they were and no matter how sh*t the white players were. This happened in Basketball in the 1950's when Red Auerbach became coach of the Celtics and had to endure all the racism that came with him playing black players.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

To a racist , homophobe, sexist etc. Nothing matters more than their stupid little prejudice. I have an uncle who is a very religious 7th day Adventist fool and as soon as he hears the word gay he almost shuts down. I'm not joking. He such a homophobe that nothing else matters to him. Trust me. If Ron was a true racist he most definitely would NOT have played black players, no matter how good they were and no matter how sh*t the white players were. This happened in Basketball in the 1950's when Red Auerbach became coach of the Celtics and had to endure all the racism that came with him playing black players.

Great post. It says it all really.

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

To a racist , homophobe, sexist etc. Nothing matters more than their stupid little prejudice. I have an uncle who is a very religious 7th day Adventist fool and as soon as he hears the word gay he almost shuts down. I'm not joking. He such a homophobe that nothing else matters to him. Trust me. If Ron was a true racist he most definitely would NOT have played black players, no matter how good they were and no matter how sh*t the white players were. This happened in Basketball in the 1950's when Red Auerbach became coach of the Celtics and had to endure all the racism that came with him playing black players.

Actions speak louder than words.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

To a racist , homophobe, sexist etc. Nothing matters more than their stupid little prejudice. I have an uncle who is a very religious 7th day Adventist fool and as soon as he hears the word gay he almost shuts down. I'm not joking. He such a homophobe that nothing else matters to him. Trust me. If Ron was a true racist he most definitely would NOT have played black players, no matter how good they were and no matter how sh*t the white players were. This happened in Basketball in the 1950's when Red Auerbach became coach of the Celtics and had to endure all the racism that came with him playing black players.

That's a very narrow definition of racism. How about a racist outlook that accepts that black people can be good at sports, but also thinks they are lazy and need extra motivation because of it, or that they are excellent runners, but you wouldn't want one marrying your daughter etc. etc.

Even a racist employer, presented with a white candidate with no qualification for the job and a black candidate with all the right qualifications of the job, might give that job to the black candidate. Now, if a slightly underqualified white candidate were up against that perfectly qualified black candidate, that might be a different story.

I have known people who subscribe absolutely to the tenets of the National Front, daubed 'Go Home' and swastikas on the houses of pakistanis yet have been perfectly friendly with some local pakistani lads.

Racism (all isms) is multilayered.

It is entirely possible for someone who is racist to also allow for some qualities/individual talents in the people against whom they are prejudiced. Often framed in a fairly racist way (all blacks are fast runners, virile/Indian workers who are quiet and hardworking, because in their eyes those people are naturally given to servility etc.).

It's also possible for people to hold two sets of entirely contradictory views about the same set of people. Or have vastly different views of pakistanis and Indians, black people and the Chinese etc etc.