[the truth]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

IS this a serious post? I see who its coming from and its contents so cant take it seriously.

is that a serious reply? wow how fickle

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by the truth

is that a serious reply? wow how fickle

I refer you to my recent post.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Islam is just christianity more suited to the middle east and christianity is islam more suited to the west

both a patently ridiculous and just another way of humans seeking to feel important

complete and utter drivel im embarrassed for you

[InOne]

I wonder how big the End Timers in America are these days.

[Ninastar]

Kind of stupid the place and time he said it, but I guess if he's saying that all religions have had their issued, it's a fair enough comment.

However, acting like these issues going on right now with Islam right now is no big deal lols, and that it will sort itself out is just as bad as not doing anything at all.

Yes, there have been issues with other religions in the past, but right NOW the main issue is the islamic terrorists. People like to act like they aren't so much a threat, but do you not think that over the last few years, there's been a massive increase in terrorism worldwide? How many places are on red alert right now? Just because we don't see it everyday, doesn't mean that there is nothing going on right this minute.

People saying that 'all religions have had their problems!!11111' makes sense, but that's irrelevant, considering what's going on right now. Yes, most muslims are nice and won't blow you up, blah blah blah, but there is still a portion who would.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Kind of stupid the place and time he said it, but I guess if he's saying that all religions have had their issued, it's a fair enough comment.

However, acting like these issues going on right now with Islam right now is no big deal lols, and that it will sort itself out is just as bad as not doing anything at all.

Yes, there have been issues with other religions in the past, but right NOW the main issue is the islamic terrorists. People like to act like they aren't so much a threat, but do you not think that over the last few years, there's been a massive increase in terrorism worldwide? How many places are on red alert right now? Just because we don't see it everyday, doesn't mean that there is nothing going on right this minute.

People saying that 'all religions have had their problems!!11111' makes sense, but that's irrelevant, considering what's going on right now. Yes, most muslims are nice and won't blow you up, blah blah blah, but there is still a portion who would.

IMO the fact that it is happening now with Islam makes the history of Christianity more relevant, it allows us to better understand Islamic extremism instead of treating it as something completely different and alien to our own past. I'm not even saying that to try and hate on Christianity or to try and defend Islam either, I just think it's all worth bearing in mind. It's not even all necessarily about the bad things that have been done in Christianity's name, it's more about the mindset of having such a strong religious zeal that it guides - and is used to justify - everything you do. I know a lot of people like to say that IS/Al Qaeda etc. aren't real Muslims, don't really care about Islam, just use it as an excuse etc. but I don't really agree with that. It might be the case for a lot of them that they are just on a power trip, but we shouldn't separate their religion from their cause any more than we should separate Christianity from the Inquisition, the wars of religion etc.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

IMO the fact that it is happening now with Islam makes the history of Christianity more relevant, it allows us to better understand Islamic extremism instead of treating it as something completely different and alien to our own past. I'm not even saying that to try and hate on Christianity or to try and defend Islam either, I just think it's all worth bearing in mind. It's not even all necessarily about the bad things that have been done in Christianity's name, it's more about the mindset of having such a strong religious zeal that it guides - and is used to justify - everything you do. I know a lot of people like to say that IS/Al Qaeda etc. aren't real Muslims, don't really care about Islam, just use it as an excuse etc. but I don't really agree with that. It might be the case for a lot of them that they are just on a power trip, but we shouldn't separate their religion from their cause any more than we should separate Christianity from the Inquisition, the wars of religion etc.

this is all done in the name of islam. its a massive problem now worldwide...obamas intentions are generally good , hes trying to take the sting out of it all but but his speech and timing was awful here....he might as well talk about the queen of England being responsible for the endless wars...its ancient history. this radical islam is here and now and its worldwide

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Kind of stupid the place and time he said it, but I guess if he's saying that all religions have had their issued, it's a fair enough comment.

However, acting like these issues going on right now with Islam right now is no big deal lols, and that it will sort itself out is just as bad as not doing anything at all.

Yes, there have been issues with other religions in the past, but right NOW the main issue is the islamic terrorists. People like to act like they aren't so much a threat, but do you not think that over the last few years, there's been a massive increase in terrorism worldwide? How many places are on red alert right now? Just because we don't see it everyday, doesn't mean that there is nothing going on right this minute.

People saying that 'all religions have had their problems!!11111' makes sense, but that's irrelevant, considering what's going on right now. Yes, most muslims are nice and won't blow you up, blah blah blah, but there is still a portion who would.

spot on , glad you saw past the apologists

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Kind of stupid the place and time he said it, but I guess if he's saying that all religions have had their issued, it's a fair enough comment.

However, acting like these issues going on right now with Islam right now is no big deal lols, and that it will sort itself out is just as bad as not doing anything at all.

Yes, there have been issues with other religions in the past, but right NOW the main issue is the islamic terrorists. People like to act like they aren't so much a threat, but do you not think that over the last few years, there's been a massive increase in terrorism worldwide? How many places are on red alert right now? Just because we don't see it everyday, doesn't mean that there is nothing going on right this minute.

People saying that 'all religions have had their problems!!11111' makes sense, but that's irrelevant, considering what's going on right now. Yes, most muslims are nice and won't blow you up, blah blah blah, but there is still a portion who would.

That's only the case if you're saying "Christians and Muslims are the same in many ways" as a way of lessening the blame on Islam / making it seem like it's OK because "one day they'll be fine". That's not my stance at all though. Rather, I think that religion itself is to blame. I lump all of them together and am perfectly comfortable doing so... And pointing out how similar other religions have been in the past is more of a justification for this action of combining, and condemning, all religion.

Do you really, honestly think that it's impossible that Christianity will ever cycle back around to violent action? What if rather than having moved past it, Christianity is simply not in a "violent phase" right now? It might well be again in a few hundred years after the inevitable downfall of Western capitalism. Christian terrorist organisations are by no means outside of the realms of realistic possibility. There are a few, albeit small, examples of such in the world already. In recent history there have been obvious examples :what were the KKK, if not white Christian terrorists?

To state that all of Christianity has now moved beyond that, and will never go back there, is nonsense.

Why is it nonsense? Because people with irrational beliefs are prone to doing irrational things. Anyone who can take a step back from religious belief and take a good look at it can appreciate that every last one of them is a "loopy cult", and that the malleable nature of religious dogma means that anyone devoutly religious - in any religion - is inherently unpredictable and dangerous.

6 million (!!!) people turned up in a park to see the Pope recently. A huge percentage of those will have been very passionate Christians. Are we expected to believe that, if the Vatican and the Pope were to suddenly demand that they take up arms against (whoever), huge numbers of those people wouldn't willingly, even happily, do so in the name of their religion (Christianity)? Of course they would. Many of those people would blindly follow the Pope into whatever jihad he could dream up. Just as dangerous as any Muslim following any mad cleric.

He hasn't done so but it's just an example of how any religion can be used for violent means. IF he wanted to, IF he suddenly snapped or IF other political forces somehow took covert control of the Vatican, that one man could turn millions of those "peaceful christians" into remorseless killers over night. I guarantee it.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's only the case if you're saying "Christians and Muslims are the same in many ways" as a way of lessening the blame on Islam / making it seem like it's OK because "one day they'll be fine". That's not my stance at all though. Rather, I think that religion itself is to blame. I lump all of them together and am perfectly comfortable doing so... And pointing out how similar other religions have been in the past is more of a justification for this action of combining, and condemning, all religion.

Do you really, honestly think that it's impossible that Christianity will ever cycle back around to violent action? What if rather than having moved past it, Christianity is simply not in a "violent phase" right now? It might well be again in a few hundred years after the inevitable downfall of Western capitalism. Christian terrorist organisations are by no means outside of the realms of realistic possibility. There are a few, albeit small, examples of such in the world already. In recent history there have been obvious examples :what were the KKK, if not white Christian terrorists?

To state that all of Christianity has now moved beyond that, and will never go back there, is nonsense.

Why is it nonsense? Because people with irrational beliefs are prone to doing irrational things. Anyone who can take a step back from religious belief and take a good look at it can appreciate that every last one of them is a "loopy cult", and that the malleable nature of religious dogma means that anyone devoutly religious - in any religion - is inherently unpredictable and dangerous.

6 million (!!!) people turned up in a park to see the Pope recently. A huge percentage of those will have been very passionate Christians. Are we expected to believe that, if the Vatican and the Pope were to suddenly demand that they take up arms against (whoever), huge numbers of those people wouldn't willingly, even happily, do so in the name of their religion (Christianity)? Of course they would. Many of those people would blindly follow the Pope into whatever jihad he could dream up. Just as dangerous as any Muslim following any mad cleric.

He hasn't done so but it's just an example of how any religion can be used for violent means. IF he wanted to, IF he suddenly snapped or IF other political forces somehow took covert control of the Vatican, that one man could turn millions of those "peaceful christians" into remorseless killers over night. I guarantee it.

Pure conjecture full of what, ifs and buts. Islam is a problem now which is what we need to focus on, not what others might do one day.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Pure conjecture full of what, ifs and buts. Islam is a problem now which is what we need to focus on, not what others might do one day.

I realise this but I was only illustrating a point. I am not saying that the issue doesn't need to be tackled here and now. Religion is a problem that would be much more easily focussed on by realising what it is and appropriately lumping it into one category to be tackled instead of endlessly splitting hairs over which ones are "good", and which ones are "bad", and which branches of each are better than the others, and which are the best churches within those branches, and ... only for the same issues to arise again in a few generations under a different banner. If EVERYONE would just stop arguing over whose unicorns are the fastest, we'd be more than half way there.

The only really important part of my previous post is this:

"People with irrational beliefs are prone to doing irrational things."

Islam / Christianity / whatever .

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I ..."People with irrational beliefs are prone to doing irrational things."

Islam / Christianity / whatever .

People with no religious beliefs are also prone to do irrational things, so...

[DemolitionRed]

I wish we had a like button on here. I would be clicking on it for both MTVN & Dezzy.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I wish we had a like button on here. I would be clicking on it for both MTVN & Dezzy.

Same.

[Ninastar]

Nice to see you posting, Kirk. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. As always.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Thank you Caitlin. I had so many nice pleas from members asking me to reconsider, and I just thought to myself why should I let anyone hound me off here? Then, reading so many (untrue) anti-Christian hate posts just decided me to return.

I'm glad Livia's back too.

Take care. xxx

No surprise people wanted you back. Your previous post was excellent and very well expressed. Welcome back.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

No surprise people wanted you back. Your previous post was excellent and very well expressed. Welcome back.

Thank you Sassysocks.

[Kizzy]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes Happy America

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This doesn't make sense, I thought Christianity was a peaceful and tolerant religion? Why are these Christians cheering the deaths of innocent people and quoting bible passages that demand allegiance or death? I thought Christianity was far too developed for this. All Christians should be made to apologise and denounce the actions of the Christians in this picture lest they be tarred with the same brush.

At the end of the day it's the extremists that define an entire religion isn't it? All Muslims are obviously Isis supporters that want to spread misery and death through their barbaric religion and Christianity is obviously filled with peadophilic white supremacists that preach hate and rejoice at the deaths of innocent people just because they had the audacity to follow a different god. Who cares about the majority of peaceful followers of both religions? Let's focus on the extreme minority and use that to base our opinion on.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This doesn't make sense, I thought Christianity was a peaceful and tolerant religion? Why are these Christians cheering the deaths of innocent people and quoting bible passages that demand allegiance or death? I thought Christianity was far too developed for this. All Christians should be made to apologise and denounce the actions of the Christians in this picture lest they be tarred with the same brush.

At the end of the day it's the extremists that define an entire religion isn't it? All Muslims are obviously Isis supporters that want to spread misery and death through their barbaric religion and Christianity is obviously filled with peadophilic white supremacists that preach hate and rejoice at the deaths of innocent people just because they had the audacity to follow a different god. Who cares about the majority of peaceful followers of both religions? Let's focus on the extreme minority and use that to base our opinion on.

the billion plus Christians follow Christ not a handful of lunatics from the Midwest, get some perspective

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

the billion plus Christians follow Christ not a handful of lunatics from the Midwest, get some perspective

Your logic is that the minority defines the majority though, you're quick to brand Islam a violent religion due to the actions of a loud minority but you refuse to apply the same logic to your own religion? That's incredibly hypocritical.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Your logic is that the minority defines the majority though, you're quick to brand Islam a violent religion due to the actions of a loud minority but you refuse to apply the same logic to your own religion? That's incredibly hypocritical.

your comparing an ant-hill with an Everest of terrorism.....a misguided family of idiots from the sticks who have spouted drivel and carried out zero terrorist attacks compared with the worldwide terrorism of radical islam....your desperate moral relativity would be embarrassing from a 5 year old child who had no knowledge of the world

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This doesn't make sense, I thought Christianity was a peaceful and tolerant religion? Why are these Christians cheering the deaths of innocent people and quoting bible passages that demand allegiance or death? I thought Christianity was far too developed for this. All Christians should be made to apologise and denounce the actions of the Christians in this picture lest they be tarred with the same brush.

At the end of the day it's the extremists that define an entire religion isn't it? All Muslims are obviously Isis supporters that want to spread misery and death through their barbaric religion and Christianity is obviously filled with peadophilic white supremacists that preach hate and rejoice at the deaths of innocent people just because they had the audacity to follow a different god. Who cares about the majority of peaceful followers of both religions? Let's focus on the extreme minority and use that to base our opinion on.

Are these Christians planting bombs, taking hostages and beheading them and burning them alive? Are they stoning their own people to death and enforcing control through fear and violence? Are they trying to enforce their so-called beliefs and way of life onto others? Do they have many parts of the world on alert because of their terrorist activities? Another ridiculous comparison from someone trying to be clever but just demonstrating they cannot see the wood for the trees.

Like many, I feel that if the majority of so-called normal Muslims were to speak up more and do more to deal with their own instead of the rest of the world having to do it, maybe I would believe there was less support for their criminal activities from normal Muslims.

The Western world has more freedom and less oppression because the majority (normal people) wanted it and have worked together to make it happen by standing up to the minority and not turning a blind eye to their activities.

Worldwide the Muslim community is extensive, growing at a far greater rate than most other communities - is it really so hard for the majority to deal with the minority assuming of course that normal Muslims are indeed the majority or the extremist Muslims are in the minority.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Are these Christians planting bombs, taking hostages and beheading them and burning them alive? Are they stoning their own people to death and enforcing control through fear and violence? Are they trying to enforce their so-called beliefs and way of life onto others? Do they have many parts of the world on alert because of their terrorist activities? Another ridiculous comparison from someone trying to be clever but just demonstrating they cannot see the wood for the trees.

Like many, I feel that if the majority of so-called normal Muslims were to speak up more and do more to deal with their own instead of the rest of the world having to do it, maybe I would believe there was less support for their criminal activities from normal Muslims.

The Western world has more freedom and less oppression because the majority (normal people) wanted it and have worked together to make it happen by standing up to the minority and not turning a blind eye to their activities.

Worldwide the Muslim community is extensive, growing at a far greater rate than most other communities - is it really so hard for the majority to deal with the minority assuming of course that normal Muslims are indeed the majority or the extremist Muslims are in the minority.

Still hypocritical, you expect all Muslims to atone for the sins of the few extremists yet you aren't prepared to hold other religions to the same standard. You can't pick or choose, it's all or nothing.