[LeatherTrumpet]

At the National Prayer Breakfast , President Obama made a statement:

Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.



Said former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore, a Republican, “The president’s comments this morning at the prayer breakfast are the most offensive I’ve ever heard a president make in my lifetime … He has offended every believing Christian in the United States.” Added Bill Donohue, the president of the Catholic League

I am sorry but the "leader of the free world" thinks that muttering under your breath will be heard by some god thing in the sky who watches 20,000 die a day from hunger

no wonder the world is f ucked up


Only when America tells the world that religion is made up rubbish will we move on as the human race

what do you think?

[Toy Soldier]

Come-on now Lt, you're on TiBB. Didn't you know that in the Big Book of Alternate Tibby Histories, the crusades and the Spanish inquisition didn't happen? They are just made up tales designed to discredit Jesus. Probably invented by Muslims. Obama is probably a covert Muslim. Why else would he ever say anything about Christianity that isn't entirely positive? I literally can't think of any reason. Get him waterboarded quick smart, he'll sell out his ISIS masters in no time, and we can get a proper Jesus loving president in place!

[Mystic Mock]

Poor Obama his gonna get massacred for this.

I do agree with him that Christianity aren't saints either, but Islam is becoming a worldwide problem, they don't accept other peoples way of life, and to convert them some of them think it's okay to bomb people, torture people, and other violent acts, then some of the less extreme ones try to force anybody outside of the Religion to convert into being a Muslim if you want to be with the parents child.

Then of course you've got your moderate and sane Muslims, and they're the ones that can try and change this from within as they won't listen to the UK, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, most of India, China, Mayanmar/Burma, Japan, and a lot of other countries, but if anyone is gonna change that nutball of a Religion it is the moderates.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Poor Obama his gonna get massacred for this.

I do agree with him that Christianity aren't saints either, but Islam is becoming a worldwide problem, they don't accept other peoples way of life, and to convert them some of them think it's okay to bomb people, torture people, and other violent acts, then some of the less extreme ones try to force anybody outside of the Religion to convert into being a Muslim if you want to be with the parents child.

Then of course you've got your moderate and sane Muslims, and they're the ones that can try and change this from within as they won't listen to the UK, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, most of India, China, Mayanmar/Burma, Japan, and a lot of other countries, but if anyone is gonna change that nutball of a Religion it is the moderates.

I am unfortunately living in a muslim country and yeah most of the muslim people here are disrespectful. However most of the muslim people in here doesnt think it is okay to bomb people or torture people, that is just what stupid isis do.

[arista]

Yes the President
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[Tom4784]

People will always use religion to justify horrific acts, Obama's right to say that Christianity is no better or different to Islam.

[MTVN]

It's fair to make the point he did, Islam is not inherently predisposed to violence and extremism more than Christianity is, and just as the crusades, the Inquisitions, the bloody infighting Christianity saw in the 16th/17th centuries are now treated as stains on Christianity's history that we have long since moved on from, so Isis will probably be looked on in years to come. This paragraph pretty much summed it up for me written after the Paris attacks:

This isn’t difficult to understand when you recognise that Islam isn’t a fixed entity whose nature is preprogrammed by its holy texts or early history. Whether you think Islam is inherently violent or benign, you can scour the Quran and the life of Muhammed and find evidence to support your view. But Islam, like any global religion with a long history, takes a thousand different forms in the many social and political contexts in which people call themselves Muslims. Nobody thinks Christians are forever doomed to carry out acts of genocide because the Old Testament is full of holy war. So why do we find it so hard to see that Muslims can be both Salafists and feminists, fundamentalists and reformists, Isis butchers and Kurdish freedom fighters?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...h-9974645.html

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People will always use religion to justify horrific acts, Obama's right to say that Christianity is no better or different to Islam.

The difference being that the horrific acts comminted by Christians were in the past. Such horrific acts commited by Islam are on-going and used as a constant threat in an attempt to create a climate of fear.

As the human race has generally become more civilised we are supposed to know better.

[InOne]

Most Religious histories are written in blood. But seen as Muslims (not all) are actively trying to take over the world at the moment, we should concentrate on the present to try fix the problem.

The crusades were very very different times.

[JoshBB]

He's just saying that christianity has done a lot of **** just like islam has

[Kizzy]

No.. the west is developed and is seen as civilised.
Obama is right to suggest that ALL denominations have blood on their hands, and for Christians that's not as far back as some think.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

The difference being that the horrific acts comminted by Christians were in the past. Such horrific acts commited by Islam are on-going and used as a constant threat in an attempt to create a climate of fear.

As the human race has generally become more civilised we are supposed to know better.

It doesn't matter that it happened in the past, one day Isis will be a thing of the past but it won't make their crimes any less grave.

Also it's ignorant to say that these acts are being committed by Islam, it's not. Not every Muslim is declaring jihad. It's a small minority that are using Islam to justify their crimes. They aren't even following it properly as, if I recall, using fire to harm others is a huge no no according to the Qu'ran. These people are just using religion to take advantage of vulnerable people and their fears to line their own pockets.

It's like saying that all Christians are peadophiles because of the actions of a few priests. It's a ridiculous notion and I will never understand why people think it's okay to tar an entire religion's worth of people with the same brush.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No.. the west is developed and is seen as civilised.
Obama is right to suggest that ALL denominations have blood on their hands, and for Christians that's not as far back as some think.

Noone is saying Christianity doesn't have blood on its hands, like any other religion. We can't change the past. What counts is the now And most religious violence in the world today is connected to Islam.

Frankly I have no time for the Islam excusers as improved education and communications have forced most religions to beoome more aware of peoples' human rights. Why should Islam be any different? Many followers of Islam simply refuse to move on and consider peoples' human rights - and it is usually related to control. No excuses.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It doesn't matter that it happened in the past, one day Isis will be a thing of the past but it won't make their crimes any less grave.

Also it's ignorant to say that these acts are being committed by Islam, it's not. Not every Muslim is declaring jihad. It's a small minority that are using Islam to justify their crimes. They aren't even following it properly as, if I recall, using fire to harm others is a huge no no according to the Qu'ran. These people are just using religion to take advantage of vulnerable people and their fears to line their own pockets.

It's like saying that all Christians are peadophiles because of the actions of a few priests. It's a ridiculous notion and I will never understand why people think it's okay to tar an entire religion's worth of people with the same brush.

What happened in the past is different to what is happening now - because we can't do anything about it - only learn from it. And most religions have.

Now is what counts and many Muslims, allegedly in the name of Islam, are using it now. You certainly can't excuse it by saying that one day that will be in the past too. Ridiculous point.

A few priests hardly compares to the number of Muslims currently involved in Islamic violence and threatening world peace so attempting to make such a comparison is ridiculous.

I don't believe in tarring people with the same brush, but I still don't see enough outrage and condemnation of these acts coming from Muslims, including English Muslims, to believe the majority of Muslims are against it.

[MTVN]

Islam is a much newer religion than Christianity and its divisions are a lot more acute and a lot more violent, the Islamic world is at war with itself the same way the Christian world was a few hundred years ago. Yes we should acknowledge that this is the present but we also shouldn't treat Islam as spectacularly different from Christianity in taking the path that it is now, you can't expect the whole world to move through a linear set of stages

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

What happened in the past is different to what is happening now - because we can't do anything about it - only learn from it. And most religions have.

Now is what counts and many Muslims, allegedly in the name of Islam, are using it now. You certainly can't excuse it by saying that one day that will be in the past too. Ridiculous point.

A few priests hardly compares to the number of Muslims currently involved in Islamic violence and threatening world peace so attempting to make such a comparison is ridiculous.

I don't believe in tarring people with the same brush, but I still don't see enough outrage and condemnation of these acts coming from Muslims, including English Muslims, to believe the majority of Muslims are against it.

I'm not comparing the crimes, I'm comparing people's reactions to them. People are quick to separate religion from the crime if the religion in question is Christianity but if a Muslim commits a crime then you expect the whole religion to be dragged over hot coals for it.

There's plenty of Muslims out there that are condemning the actions of Isis but they'll never get representation in the media because it goes against the image of what the media wants Islam to be. Fear sells and most mainstream media outlets want Islam to be their boogeyman. Just because you don't look for it doesn't mean that all of Islam are complacent and happy enough to let Isis do what they want.

Remember, Isis have killed more Muslims than anyone else of any other creed or race. Muslims have more of a reason to oppose Isis than anyone and they do, it's just that it'll never get highlighted in the media since it won't sell as much as fear and hatred will.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People will always use religion to justify horrific acts, Obama's right to say that Christianity is no better or different to Islam.

It is totally different? that's a crazy claim

[the truth]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

What happened in the past is different to what is happening now - because we can't do anything about it - only learn from it. And most religions have.

Now is what counts and many Muslims, allegedly in the name of Islam, are using it now. You certainly can't excuse it by saying that one day that will be in the past too. Ridiculous point.

A few priests hardly compares to the number of Muslims currently involved in Islamic violence and threatening world peace so attempting to make such a comparison is ridiculous.

I don't believe in tarring people with the same brush, but I still don't see enough outrage and condemnation of these acts coming from Muslims, including English Muslims, to believe the majority of Muslims are against it.

Obama is wrong here plain and simple....he shouldn't be apologising for these mass murdering psychopaths and he shouldn't be condemning Christians for it either...clearly hes banned from saying jews are just as much to blame as theyre protected unlike Christians....what a mess of double standards....this is about radical islam

[GiRTh]

Obama only has a year left. HE said at the state of the union he isn't gonna run for any office ever again to muttered laughter from the republicans. HE replied by pointing out that he's beat them in every race he's ever run against them . I hope all this signals him going out with a bang. It about time he slapped them around.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

It is totally different? that's a crazy claim

It's really not, all religion is and has been used as justification for attrocities and Christianity is no different.

It's truly ignorant to think that one religion is better than another, it's all the same. There are extremists in every religion.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MelihV

I am unfortunately living in a muslim country and yeah most of the muslim people here are disrespectful. However most of the muslim people in here doesnt think it is okay to bomb people or torture people, that is just what stupid isis do.

Turkey does seem like it's the head country for moderate Muslims though, hopefully other Muslim countries will follow their lead someday.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's really not, all religion is and has been used as justification for attrocities and Christianity is no different.

It's truly ignorant to think that one religion is better than another, it's all the same. There are extremists in every religion.

that's the most ignorant stupidest post Iver EVER READ on any website ever
Christianity and Islam are about as similar as heaven is to hell........totally different ends of the spectrum. you really need to read and learn for about 20 years before you even comment on it further. You live in a society built on Christian principles and laws... where youre allowed free speech to a degree where you live in relative peace with a decent standard of living where we fight for equal rights where we have healthcare for all where we believe in the principle of redemption , enlightenment , forgiveness ......islam and this perverted version of islam praches hate it has no pace for forgiveness anywhere , it has no place for redemption...people get killed for all sorts of so called crimes...you and me would already be killed for writing in this thread...and Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone....every person put their stones down and the woman was set free..now go and sin no more..."


im truly embarrassed for you

[Northern Monkey]

Christianity(mostly) grew up.Islam is still living in the past.Yes Islam is a newer religion but in this day and age it should know better and grow up too.Stoning,beheading and forcing women to cover up does not gel with modern society.Even people in backwards Middle Eastern countries know this due to the technology avaliable now.Ignorance is no excuse for cruel medievil behaviour in todays world.
Not wise from Obama when a large percentage of Americans are devout Christians.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

that's the most ignorant stupidest post Iver EVER READ on any website ever
Christianity and Islam are about as similar as heaven is to hell........totally different ends of the spectrum. you really need to read and learn for about 20 years before you even comment on it further. You live in a society built on Christian principles and laws... where youre allowed free speech to a degree where you live in relative peace with a decent standard of living where we fight for equal rights where we have healthcare for all where we believe in the principle of redemption , enlightenment , forgiveness ......islam and this perverted version of islam praches hate it has no pace for forgiveness anywhere , it has no place for redemption...people get killed for all sorts of so called crimes...you and me would already be killed for writing in this thread...and Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone....every person put their stones down and the woman was set free..now go and sin no more..."


im truly embarrassed for you

Have you ever been to Ireland?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's fair to make the point he did, Islam is not inherently predisposed to violence and extremism more than Christianity is, and just as the crusades, the Inquisitions, the bloody infighting Christianity saw in the 16th/17th centuries are now treated as stains on Christianity's history that we have long since moved on from, so Isis will probably be looked on in years to come. This paragraph pretty much summed it up for me written after the Paris attacks:

No sorry, don't agree.... Islam by its very nature has violence enshrined at its core. It promote murder for a wide variety of issues including homosexuality and adultery plus if you try to leave this faith one that your parents signed you up for , again the sentence is death.

These rules won't change in 50,100 or 500 years.

Islam in its very nature is not a peace loving religion by any means .





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