[Jords]

I think its to do with personal opinion and up for debate - a couple of links on the internet is not concrete. Im happy for you to disagree that 'heterophobia' exists but Im more interested in your reasons not articles and blogs. Remember "homosexuality" once didnt exist...

Also just to add homophobia is more common because its in favour of social norms whilst heterophobia is the exact opposite - making it even more irrational.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Jords

I think its to do with personal opinion and up for debate - a couple of links on the internet is not concrete. Im happy for you to disagree that 'heterophobia' exists but Im more interested in your reasons not articles and blogs. Remember "homosexuality" once didnt exist...

Also just to add homophobia is more common because its in favour of social norms whilst heterophobia is the exact opposite - making it even more irrational.

I generally don't get into serious debates on here because I'm nowhere near articulate enough to get my point across properly in writing

You don't have straight people living in fear of people finding out they're straight
You don't have straight people being bullied or attacked for who they are
You don't have straight people being murdered for being who they are

heterophobia doesn't exist, if a gay man is jealous of a woman, thats misogyny not heterophobia

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I generally don't get into serious debates on here because I'm nowhere near articulate enough to get my point across properly in writing

You don't have straight people living in fear of people finding out they're straight
You don't have straight people being bullied or attacked for who they are
You don't have straight people being murdered for being who they are

heterophobia doesn't exist, if a gay man is jealous of a woman, thats misogyny not heterophobia

BREAKING NEWS: Gay Murderer Kills 9 Men and Women for "Being Straight"

Does that really need to happen for heterophobia to be confirmed?

People generally dont murder others. A lot of homophobics do not murder or bully gay people... they make remarks, pull facial expressions and simply do not make friends with these people.

[Niall]

'Heterophobia'

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i don't know

source: idk

[Jords]

for a bunch of gays yall narrow-minded on this subject nobody on this forum likes to sit down and go, hang on thats kind of a reasonable point do they

Its not common nor a big problem like homophobia but imo it exists.

I love da straight men and women

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Jords

for a bunch of gays yall narrow-minded on this subject nobody on this forum likes to sit down and go, hang on thats kind of a reasonable point do they

Its not common nor a big problem like homophobia but imo it exists.

I love da straight men and women

No no no, you misunderstand. It doesn't exist. It doesn't, cannot, has not, and will not exist.

Tell me when you've been mocked and had slurs shouted at you in the street for holding hands with someone? Tell me when people have rolled their eyes at you and your partner just for being together on a train? Tell me when you've had to sit in a room where everyone around you has spoken of their disgust and dissaproval of straight people?

Tell me when the government has had to vote to legalise you being who you naturally are? Tell me when you've had to explain to someone that no, one of you is not the 'woman' in the relationship? Tell me when most if not all of the TV shows and movies you watch have no representation of people like you and even when you are represented it's a negative two dimensional stereotype?

Everyday is straight pride for you. The entire world, it's systems and institutions are geared toward preserving your sexual orientation. Tell me one country where you can't walk around holding a girl's hand and not get mocked/arrested/killed? You can't because there aren't any. I can give you 79.

There's a reason why 'Heterophobia' is underlined in red when you type it - it does not exist. Someone may be prejudiced towards heterosexual people but no, they cannot be 'heterophobic' because that implies so much more than irrational distaste. It references systems of oppression designed to push you down, and those systems are simply not mirrored for straight people. There just aren't.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Niall

No no no, you misunderstand. It doesn't exist. It doesn't, cannot, has not, and will not exist.

Tell me when you've been mocked and had slurs shouted at you in the street for holding hands with someone? Tell me when people have rolled their eyes at you and your partner just for being together on a train? Tell me when you've had to sit in a room where everyone around you has spoken of their disgust and dissaproval of straight people?

Tell me when the government has had to vote to legalise you being who you naturally are? Tell me when you've had to explain to someone that no, one of you is not the 'woman' in the relationship? Tell me when most if not all of the TV shows and movies you watch have no representation of people like you and even when you are represented it's a negative two dimensional stereotype?

Everyday is straight pride for you. The entire world, it's systems and institutions are geared toward preserving your sexual orientation. Tell me one country where you can't walk around holding a girl's hand and not get mocked/arrested/killed? You can't because there aren't any. I can give you 79.

There's a reason why 'Heterophobia' is underlined in red when you type it - it does not exist. Someone may be prejudiced towards heterosexual people but no, they cannot be 'heterophobic' because that implies so much more than irrational distaste. It references systems of oppression designed to push you down, and those systems are simply not mirrored for straight people. There just aren't.

Its a great post for sure but your focus is just on the very extreme of homophobia at a society level and not on an individual level... plus the use of a lot of rhetorical questions.

1 definition of homophobia plucked off the internet:

unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality

Lay-term.


Edit: heterophobia cannot exist at a society level because being heterosexual is the social norm, but I think it has its place at an individual level amongst homosexuals - be it a rare occasion

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Jords

Its a great post for sure but your focus is just on the very extreme of homophobia at a society level and not on an individual level... plus the use of a lot of rhetorical questions.

1 definition of homophobia plucked off the internet:



Lay-term.

But that's simply not what it is. Dictionary definitions do not define the true nature of homophobia. Like I previously stated, the true natrue of homophobia is a deeply ingrained and systematic style of oppression directed at all people who aren't heterosexual. That, my friend, is the definition of homophobia. What you've got there is something that references only part of a deeply ingrained societal issue. No such issues exist for heterosexual individuals.

And if you do believe that 'heterophobia' exists, then you believe that people of colour can be racist to white individuals? Because the logic around heterophobia uses precisely the same logic as that.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Niall

But that's simply not what it is. Dictionary definitions do not define the true nature of homophobia. Like I previously stated, the true natrue of homophobia is a deeply ingrained and systematic style of oppression directed at all people who aren't heterosexual. That, my friend, is the definition of homophobia. What you've got there is something that references only part of a deeply ingrained societal issue. No such issues exist for heterosexual individuals.

And if you do believe that 'heterophobia' exists, then you believe that people of colour can be racist to white individuals? Because the logic around heterophobia uses precisely the same logic as that.

I absolutely do at an individual level.

My flatmate in first year when he first referred to me as a "white boy" I asked him what he meant by that and he explained it was just his terminology and I accepted it and went on to use it myself in banter - although I never dared say the n-word.

If we had ever argued and he called me a "white boy %#!#!' I would have taken it as a racist comment yes.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niall

But that's simply not what it is. Dictionary definitions do not define the true nature of homophobia. Like I previously stated, the true natrue of homophobia is a deeply ingrained and systematic style of oppression directed at all people who aren't heterosexual. That, my friend, is the definition of homophobia. What you've got there is something that references only part of a deeply ingrained societal issue. No such issues exist for heterosexual individuals.

And if you do believe that 'heterophobia' exists, then you believe that people of colour can be racist to white individuals? Because the logic around heterophobia uses precisely the same logic as that.

Absolutely, but not just white people.

[Liam-]

I do think there are certain situations where heterophobia can exist, I get where people are coming from when they say it doesn't because straight people don't have to generally face being outcasted for their sexuality, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't people out there who hate straight people, it's extremely uncommon but I do think it happens.

Let's put it this way, if a club didn't allow gay people in there, that would be classed as homophobia, so if a gay club refused to let straight people in (I know a load of straight people who go to gay clubs with friends) what would that be classed as? revenge? no it would be classed and a group of people being ostracised because of their sexuality, which in essence is the same thing as homophobia, so I do think hetereophobia has the potential to exist, it's just highly unlikely.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I do think there are certain situations where heterophobia can exist, I get where people are coming from when they say it doesn't because straight people don't have to generally face being outcasted for their sexuality, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't people out there who hate straight people, it's extremely uncommon but I do think it happens.

Let's put it this way, if a club didn't allow gay people in there, that would be classed as homophobia, so if a gay club refused to let straight people in (I know a load of straight people who go to gay clubs with friends) what would that be classed as? revenge? no it would be classed and a group of people being ostracised because of their sexuality, which is the in essence the same thing as homophobia, so I do think hetereophobia has the potential to exist, it's just highly unlikely.

Exactly its very uncommon for numerous reasons - being gay automatically puts you in a minority group, youre going against social norms that have been ingrained into us, you make friends with assumingly 'straight' boys and girls from an early age...

Its more the case of showing heterophobic tendencies rather than being a full-blown heterophobe.

Im interested in Jack_'s opinion actually.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I do think there are certain situations where heterophobia can exist, I get where people are coming from when they say it doesn't because straight people don't have to generally face being outcasted for their sexuality, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't people out there who hate straight people, it's extremely uncommon but I do think it happens.

Let's put it this way, if a club didn't allow gay people in there, that would be classed as homophobia, so if a gay club refused to let straight people in (I know a load of straight people who go to gay clubs with friends) what would that be classed as? revenge? no it would be classed and a group of people being ostracised because of their sexuality, which in essence is the same thing as homophobia, so I do think hetereophobia has the potential to exist, it's just highly unlikely.

Beautifully well said. I find it upsetting that people think it's not as big a deal when a white person/straight person/man etc etc receives hatred for who they are. Which is something they cannot help...

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Beautifully well said. I find it upsetting that people think it's not as big a deal when a white person/straight person/man etc etc receives hatred for who they are. Which is something they cannot help...

It seems to me that gay people have taken the history surrounding our sexuality and have taken it to mean that we deserve a higher podium to stand on because gay people in the past were treated awfully and some still are today, basically 'gays have had it worse so I can say and do whatever I want about straight people, it's not offensive because gays were treated worse' I don't buy into that mantra, nor do I think anyone should, hate is hate, discrimination against someone's sexuality -whether the sexuality is the most common one in the world or not - is discrimination.

'That guy can't come in this shop he's a ******' = discrimination
'That guy can't come in this shop he's a fleshy cave dweller' = discrimination

History is history, let it be history and accept that everyone can be hated on for anything these days and rather than try to disprove it because of some historical vendetta that is essentially blocking people's logical views of the world, accept it, not just gays are hated in this world, gays happen to be some of the most judgmental people in the entire world, we're not perfect.

Power to the straights.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It seems to me that gay people have taken the history surrounding our sexuality and have taken it to mean that we deserve a higher podium to stand on because gay people in the past were treated awfully and some still are today, basically 'gays have had it worse so I can say and do whatever I want about straight people, it's not offensive because gays were treated worse' I don't buy into that mantra, nor do I think anyone should, hate is hate, discrimination against someone's sexuality -whether the sexuality is the most common one in the world or not - is discrimination.

'That guy can't come in this shop he's a ******' = discrimination
'That guy can't come in this shop he's a fleshy cave dweller' = discrimination

History is history, let it be history and accept that everyone can be hated on for anything these days and rather than try to disprove it because of some historical vendetta that is essentially blocking people's logical views of the world, accept it, not just gays are hated in this world, gays happen to be some of the most judgmental people in the entire world, we're not perfect.

Power to the straights.

****ing. PREACH. my god if we were both straight i'd totally marry you. its so nice to have another gay who shares this opinion with me. I feel like this whole putting the most underprivileged people on a podium thing does so much more damage than good. People preach and whine about wanting equality, so why is it different when people who are 'less-privileged' get hatred for being who they are? Now Im not the best with words, so I do apologize if this doesn't make sense, but surely, if people want equality so much, isnt the whole point that we treat everyone equally? So why is it not as big of a deal, or as serious, when someone who is straight, or white or even male receives hatred. Should we care less because 'LOL white people?' or 'LOL heterophobia'

At the end of the day, if someone is made to feel **** for who they are as a person, isn't that all that matters? why does a persons history have to come into with what they are being made to feel at that moment

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Chaos

****ing. PREACH. my god if we were both straight i'd totally marry you. its so nice to have another gay who shares this opinion with me. I feel like this whole putting the most underprivileged people on a podium thing does so much more damage than good. People preach and whine about wanting equality, so why is it different when people who are 'less-privileged' get hatred for being who they are? Now Im not the best with words, so I do apologize if this doesn't make sense, but surely, if people want equality so much, isnt the whole point that we treat everyone equally? So why is it not as big of a deal, or as serious, when someone who is straight, or white or even male receives hatred. Should we care less because 'LOL white people?' or 'LOL heterophobia'

At the end of the day, if someone is made to feel **** for who they are as a person, isn't that all that matters? why does a persons history have to come into with what they are being made to feel at that moment

I'm sick of people using the 'minority card' to get away with doing and saying whatever they want about the majority, it makes a mockery of wanting true equality.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Beautifully well said. I find it upsetting that people think it's not as big a deal when a white person/straight person/man etc etc receives hatred for who they are. Which is something they cannot help...

Im with you here. It seems that if youre in the minority group you are excluded from the label. It kind of reminds me of domesitc abuse - awareness, help and support is largely for when the female is abused compared to the male - but it exists.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Jords

Im with you here. It seems that if youre in the minority group you are excluded from the label. It kind of reminds me of domesitc abuse - awareness, help and support is largely for when the female is abused compared to the male - but it exists.

Exactly. I'm glad you also agree. I cant tell you how relieving it is to see that Liam and I aren't the only ones with this opinion, lol.

[Ashley.]

I think sexism towards men should exist. Heterophobia? Not so much.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I think sexism towards men should exist. Heterophobia? Not so much.

Don't let the truth see that

[Firewire]

NOT a Niall essay

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Firewire

NOT a Niall essay

We all know it's needed.

[Jords]

sasspot

[Niamh.]

Good post Niall but tbf PDAs between men and wome are punishable in some strict Muslim countries