[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

As I said ,If you haven't got kids you wont understand why Lotans feelings were hurt,it's just a throw away line to most but to a parent it is personal,I myself would have got annoyed over that,Lotan reacted wrongly, but I understand why, and really Isabell has some neck to talk about role models.she needs to clean her own doorstep before she comments on others.

Yes, we all take it personally, of course we do. However, they had both been going at each other tit for tat for a couple of days, Raph had been filling his vipers with bad thoughts knowing full well it would wind already aggressive people up. It was a cumulation of pokes that made him lose his temper in the end

[Cal.]

You would probably be the same if you were arguing with someone and you heard them mention your children regardless of what they actually said. I wasn't being negative.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cal.

You would probably be the same if you were arguing with someone and you heard them mention your children regardless of what they actually said. I wasn't being negative.

I know Cal,I was just pointing out if you have kids that kind of remark is offensive, you are protective over your kids and don't want them brought into anything so negative.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by TomC

Lotan totally overreacted. It's like the Rebecca daughter thing, she didn't say anything about his son - she just said he was a poor role model. WHich he is. He was being ****ing vile to her before it all kicked off

You keep thinking that tom, Me and the rest of moral britain might disagree.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by sampvt

You keep thinking that tom, Me and the rest of moral britain might disagree.

You have no idea what 'moral Britain' think

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I think drink played a large role and also its difficult for younger people who dont have children and indeed its not that long since they were children to realise how personally someone who has children will take a negative comment.

I am sure that when Isabelle has children of her own she will look back at the incident a little differently?

Also I think that Lotan feels bad that he has split up with the childs mum and is hyper sensitive about being a bad parent?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think drink played a large role and also its difficult for younger people who dont have children and indeed its not that long since they were children to realise how personally someone who has children will take a negative comment.

I am sure that when Isabelle has children of her own she will look back at the incident a little differently?

Also I think that Lotan feels bad that he has split up with the childs mum and is hyper sensitive about being a bad parent?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think drink played a large role and also its difficult for younger people who dont have children and indeed its not that long since they were children to realise how personally someone who has children will take a negative comment.

I am sure that when Isabelle has children of her own she will look back at the incident a little differently?

Also I think that Lotan feels bad that he has split up with the childs mum and is hyper sensitive about being a bad parent?

I have children and I think the way Lotan was behaving towards Isabelle was horrendous. Infact as a mother of a girl only 4 years younger than Isabelle I absolutely agree with her and would be horrified if someone (especially someone who is a parent) was treating my child like that. Imagine someone treating his child like that, he'd be livid. He is an awful role model for his son. He may be a good, caring dad in other ways but he's setting a terrible example to him if that's the way he treats young girls

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have children and I think the way Lotan was behaving towards Isabelle was horrendous. Infact as a mother of a girl only 4 years younger than Isabelle I absolutely agree with her and would be horrified if someone (especially someone who is a parent) was treating my child like that. Imagine someone treating his child like that, he'd be livid. He is an awful role model for his son. He may be a good, caring dad in other ways but he's setting a terrible example to him if that's the way he treats young girls

Yes I understand your point but I am also mindful that this is a reality tv show game where the whole situation is set up to brew conflict and make people behave perhaps not as they would normally and so I can in some way understand why the situation happened without necessary also condoning it

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes I understand your point but I am also mindful that this is a reality tv show game where the whole situation is set up to brew conflict and make people behave perhaps not as they would normally and so I can in some way understand why the situation happened without necessary also condoning it

Yeah I do get that but it seemed like even in normal situations during the day when (I assume) no drink was involved the way he spoke to Isabelle was really awful, telling her she's irrelevant and not allowed to speak and calling her stupid etc

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I do get that but it seemed like even in normal situations during the day when (I assume) no drink was involved the way he spoke to Isabelle was really awful, telling her she's irrelevant and not allowed to speak and calling her stupid etc

I honestly can't say one side was better than another, no-one has the high ground in that house. It is contrived. They even mentioned camera hogging twice in that fight segment alone

There were only 1 or 2 of them in there that could honestly say they werent involved, and none of those involved were without fault. Raph was as much to blame and as complicit as any of the rest of the aggressive, foul mouthed shower.

[Candy Annie Cane]

I have a child and if someone said what isobelle said...yes it would stop me.in my tracks but it would not give me.a.right to behave as appallingly as.lotan did. It would make me think **** you know theyre right.....if my son sees me acting like this what message am I giving him? That its ok to be vile, ostracise, intimidate and belittle another person...everything I teach him not to do. His friends parents also see that and then suddenly they.dont want their kids to play with him? His son shouldnt be in someone elses mind....but he should have been in lotans

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I have a child and if someone said what isobelle said...yes it would stop me.in my tracks but it would not give me.a.right to behave as appallingly as.lotan did. It would make me think **** you know theyre right.....if my son sees me acting like this what message am I giving him? That its ok to be vile, ostracise, intimidate and belittle another person...everything I teach him not to do. His friends parents also see that and then suddenly they.dont want their kids to play with him? His son shouldnt be in someone elses mind....but he should have been in lotans

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I have a child and if someone said what isobelle said...yes it would stop me.in my tracks but it would not give me.a.right to behave as appallingly as.lotan did. It would make me think **** you know theyre right.....if my son sees me acting like this what message am I giving him? That its ok to be vile, ostracise, intimidate and belittle another person...everything I teach him not to do. His friends parents also see that and then suddenly they.dont want their kids to play with him? His son shouldnt be in someone elses mind....but he should have been in lotans

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Hopefully he will learn from this experience and become a better father for his child and patch things up with the boys mum and more forward in life

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I think the throwing the drink in the face thing was what pushed BB over as obviously glass can slip and that could lead to life changing injury (and legal issues)?

[sampvt]

The silly cow Channelle thinks she is the female version of lotan in the other clique, she keeps saying IM NOT HAVING THAT, who the feck gave her alpha status.

[sampvt]

Im not having that, wtf, who gave her alpha status. Thye all over reacted, including lotan.

[Withano]

Lotan only cared an ounce because it came out of Isabelles mouth, he was inching for a fight with her all night

[armand.kay]

I would like to think that if someone said that to my father he would keep his composure because you know he isn't an animal.

[Lostie!]

I won't condone what she said because it would be hypocritical of me, I think it's always a low blow to bring family into it. That said, I completely understand why she got angry enough to go there, he and his cronies were bullying her all throughout the evening and she snapped as anyone would when they're prodded enough. He brought it on himself.

[reece(:]

She didn't say anything about the kid just that he was setting a bad example...

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by reece(:

She didn't say anything about the kid just that he was setting a bad example...

Which was so true, he only got mad because instead of making her cry or get angry she just calmly told him his behaviour was unacceptable. Mentally destroyed him she did

[sampvt]

the fact she brought him up is the point everyone is missing, but that wont stop most.

[tanussa]

everything isabelle said to lotan was said with the sole intention of winding him up & was all meant maliciously. why do people see someone like thst as some kind of hero. shes as ugly on the inside as she is on the outside