[Ammi]

..this is all just so incredibly heart-breaking, the pain that Elsie must have endured......


..there appeared to bee a whole catalogue of injuries and hospital visits/fractured bones, had injuries happening almost monthly while she was in the care of Matthew Scully-Hicks..and yet the adoption wasn't halted...?...no enquiries were made into the constant hospital visits and 'accidents'..?...also her persistent vomiting after head injury and no CT scan was done at the hospital and again, the adoption process not looked at, at all..?...it's all incredibly wrong...and I hope this is a start of some serious reviews and possible changes...

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..this is all just so incredibly heart-breaking, the pain that Elsie must have endured......


..there appeared to bee a whole catalogue of injuries and hospital visits/fractured bones, had injuries happening almost monthly while she was in the care of Matthew Scully-Hicks..and yet the adoption wasn't halted...?...no enquiries were made into the constant hospital visits and 'accidents'..?...also her persistent vomiting after head injury and no CT scan was done at the hospital and again, the adoption process not looked at, at all..?...it's all incredibly wrong...and I hope this is a start of some serious reviews and possible changes...

This is my main issue as well and is what ive been trying to get across...fancy a job proof reading my posts prior to posting?

[Vicky.]

I don't understand how professionals keep missing stuff like this. They pretty much stalked us for months and months, dropping in unannounced, accusing us of all sorts, making me cry at one stage by telling me my illness meant I was an unfity parent, and that was all just as Gavins other son accidentally kneed Skye in the head when she was a few months old. We took her to hospital immediately to get checked even though 111 said it wouldn't likely be serious if she didn't have a noticeable dent or anything and cried straight away...but we got her checked anyway. We were reported to SS because of the nature of the accident and they chased us for months and months. Yet cases like this...don't get that? When there have been multiple suspicious injuries? Just makes no sense to me.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't understand how professionals keep missing stuff like this. They pretty much stalked us for months and months, dropping in unannounced, accusing us of all sorts, making me cry at one stage by telling me my illness meant I was an unfity parent, and that was all just as Gavins other son accidentally kneed Skye in the head when she was a few months old. We took her to hospital immediately to get checked even though 111 said it wouldn't likely be serious if she didn't have a noticeable dent or anything and cried straight away...but we got her checked anyway. We were reported to SS because of the nature of the accident and they chased us for months and months. Yet cases like this...don't get that? When there have been multiple suspicious injuries? Just makes no sense to me.

Think about it for a minute, maybe just maybe, the SS or whoever does these checks, are also intimidated by the current PC and fearful of being labelled as homophobic, consciously or unconsciously, if they are considered to be too thorough in their assessment. It is entirely possible in my opinion.

[Ashsleigh]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Think about it for a minute, maybe just maybe, the SS or whoever does these checks, are also intimidated by the current PC and fearful of being labelled as homophobic, consciously or unconsciously, if they are considered to be too thorough in their assessment. It is entirely possible in my opinion.

I doubt it.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Think about it for a minute, maybe just maybe, the SS or whoever does these checks, are also intimidated by the current PC and fearful of being labelled as homophobic, consciously or unconsciously, if they are considered to be too thorough in their assessment. It is entirely possible in my opinion.

Well I wouldn't say it was entirely impossible that this may happen at times. I do think its pretty unlikely though.

Just don't understand how I was stalked for one mistake (which was an accident caused by a child, not even myself!) where there was not even any serious injury and we only went to hospital as I was a bit of a neurotic first ti me mother... where so many others seem to not be investigated for multiple dodgy accidents.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well I wouldn't say it was entirely impossible that this may happen at times. I do think its pretty unlikely though.

Just don't understand how I was stalked for one mistake (which was an accident caused by a child, not even myself!) where there was not even any serious injury and we only went to hospital as I was a bit of a neurotic first ti me mother... where so many others seem to not be investigated for multiple dodgy accidents.

Probably comes down to individual health nurses personalities as well I suppose

[Vicky.]

Health visitors are entirely useless. Either they upset good parents, or they miss bad ones. We have had 3 in total over the years and only one of them was half decent and actually helpful. The others were just awful judgey people who had no actual kids of their own...which I genuinely do think should be a requirement of doing a job like that. You simply cannot do it if you think kids are all textbook. Doesn't work like that and your advice is garbage.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Health visitors are entirely useless. Either they upset good parents, or they miss bad ones. We have had 3 in total over the years and only one of them was half decent and actually helpful. The others were just awful judgey people who had no actual kids of their own...which I genuinely do think should be a requirement of doing a job like that. You simply cannot do it if you think kids are all textbook. Doesn't work like that and your advice is garbage.

The one I had after I had Luke drove me crazy she kept getting his name wrong, everytime she posted out a letter she had a different name on it I'd swear she did it on purpose too to annoy me

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The one I had after I had Luke drove me crazy she kept getting his name wrong, everytime she posted out a letter she had a different name on it I'd swear she did it on purpose too to annoy me

Omg, did she ever need to write your name down? I bet that was a challenge for her.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Omg, did she ever need to write your name down? I bet that was a challenge for her.

My name isn't actually a challenge in Ireland considering it's an Irish name

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My name isn't actually a challenge in Ireland considering it's an Irish name

[jaxie]

Children do have accidents but I am mystified as to why the broken leg didn't flag social workers to look more closely at this couple. It's not that easy to break a leg and particularly a toddler who should be supervised. Better to be looking more vigilantly at the couple than for a worse outcome. Poor little girl.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Children do have accidents but I am mystified as to why the broken leg didn't flag social workers to look more closely at this couple. It's not that easy to break a leg and particularly a toddler who should be supervised. Better to be looking more vigilantly at the couple than for a worse outcome. Poor little girl.

I don't understand this case at all, did he just go along with the adoption to please his partner or did he have a rosy idealised view of parenthood

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't understand this case at all, did he just go along with the adoption to please his partner or did he have a rosy idealised view of parenthood

Yeah it's odd, he seemed to be the main carer for the child as well. I feel sorry for the biological parents aswell, probably thinking they were giving their child a better chance at life

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah it's odd, he seemed to be the main carer for the child as well. I feel sorry for the biological parents aswell, probably thinking they were giving their child a better chance at life

the opinion of the court is that he was intentional in his abuse, not just losing his rag

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah it's odd, he seemed to be the main carer for the child as well. I feel sorry for the biological parents aswell, probably thinking they were giving their child a better chance at life

http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/07/murder...amily-7061625/

Very sad,

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/07/murder...amily-7061625/

Very sad,

Oh god, so sad

[Parmy]

Minimum of 18 yrs...rot in hell.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Minimum of 18 yrs...rot in hell.

Should have been life imo,but yes hope he rots after he has been beaten a few times

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Should have been life imo,but yes hope he rots after he has been beaten a few times

Should be chucking these health workers in beside the ****er.

[smudgie]

Thank goodness he has been jailed.

[lewis111]

Not enough though IMO
Whilst obviosly all murder is evil, If someone went through all that just for the intent of violently killing an innocent baby they aren't fit to ever be back out in public for life - wether that for punishment towards them or the safety of others

[DemolitionRed]

This is a case where life should mean life.

[UserSince2005]

Dirty bastard will ****ing love prison, he needs the death sentence.