[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Boys toys - aggression is not just about hormones but also about choice of toys.

For me the difference would be about how engrossed boys get into games and how they replay them many times, whereas they tend to watch a film once and once watched it is put to bed.

As a mother of 3 boys I have seen and heard how bl**dy engrossed they get in games. I have run upstairs before now hearing my son shouting thinking something awful has happened only to discover it was all about a game., he was so flipping engrossed in a game he was shouting at it. He has never done that with a film.

That's just because of the element of interaction, though, if the protagonist in a game dies its (usually) because you ****ed up and made a mistake that caused the failure, whereas in a film you're a passive observer and whatever happens is pre-scripted. That said if it escalates to real aggression / throwing controllers etc. then there's an anger problem that goes way beyond games. Most people don't start throwing things around and screeching when they lose in a game and, if they do, they're the same kids who are throwing red-faced kicks and punches when they lose at football or any other physical sport (Andy Murray smashing tennis racquets springs to mind - not all tennis players do it!).

For the rest of it... It's pretty out of touch / sexist to assume that gaming is "for boys". Back in the 90's maybe this was true, but these days the majority of kids and teens (male and female) do at least a bit of gaming, and plenty are just as "into it" as boys. For regular gaming I would say there's still a split but it's at most 70/30, and that's mainly only because of the stigma that it's "tomboyish" and that girls should be more interested in make-up, boyfriends and gossip. As a feminist, I would have thought you would want to steer clear of those sort of stereotypes.

[Withano]

Not to be on both sides on the fence in one thread, but if this woman had an issue with GTA, I'd mostly agree.

You are playing as the villain in GTA whilst trying to escape cops, and that doesn't seem appropriate imo. This game that this woman kicked up a fuss about honestly seems like the most opposite to that imaginable though. Your aim is to protect and be the hero.

[Marsh.]

'Abusers will get off on this stuff'

That's like saying "Pedos will get off on children on TV, so let's not put any kids on TV at all".

Fear mongering sh*t from out of touch elite.

[Livia]

I reckon most people can tell fact from fiction from an early age. And those who can't will be tipped over the edge by something eventually... video game... novel... film... even the Bible. There's some twisted sh1t in that, don't see people calling for it to be banned.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Livia

I reckon most people can tell fact from fiction from an early age. And those who can't will be tipped over the edge by something eventually... video game... novel... film... even the Bible. There's some twisted sh1t in that, don't see people calling for it to be banned.

This. Honestly there's worse stuff on the news and that's reality, if anything will desensitise people to violence it's what's happening around them, not fictional characters on a screen. Whether the characters are acted, or controlled by a player, we're all able to tell reality from fiction.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

I reckon most people can tell fact from fiction from an early age. And those who can't will be tipped over the edge by something eventually... video game... novel... film... even the Bible. There's some twisted sh1t in that, don't see people calling for it to be banned.

I agree with this.

Blaming triggers is always foolish. Anything, everything and nothing can act as a trigger for someone with the capacity for violence.

[bots]

well, lets look at the violence in cartoons rammed down kids throats before they can even talk

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

well, lets look at the violence in cartoons rammed down kids throats before they can even talk

Violence in cartoons was banned.

[Beso]

The question that should be asked is why would you pay 50 quid or whatever to watch women and kids being battered?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

The question that should be asked is why would you pay 50 quid or whatever to watch women and kids being battered?

It's a maybe 15 minute section of a probably 25+ hour long story. Though I think you probably know that and are just trying to make some sort of ham-fisted point.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

The question that should be asked is why would you pay 50 quid or whatever to watch women and kids being battered?

It's a story about an AIs gaining sentience, thats like saying why would someone watch the film AI to see a robot kid trying to kill another kid.

[T*]

there are literally books worse than this
It isn’t 1997 and GTA didn’t just come out, why is people craving video game censorship still a thing? Especially nowadays where you literally will not be able to stop people from playing it, anyone with a damn brain can get around it but anyway
The only people that have a problem with this or video games in general are naive. It seems people always will always want a scapegoat to blame

[T*]

Seems like some people care more about people potentially seeing some pixels than they do actually tackling the problem. Feels like faux concern.

[Tom4784]

People have been trying to prove a link between video games and violence for years to no avail.

[Beso]

I dont need a source...it cant be denied.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

I dont need a source...it cant be denied.

Yes, you're making quite a large claim. So, yes, you're going to need proof of it.

But you have none.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

I dont need a source...it cant be denied.

It can and is being denied and claiming that you don't need a source would make you look almost unfathomably stupid... IF it wasn't so obvious that you're just fishing for a reaction .

[Marsh.]

On a separate, but not unrelated note I regularly become extremely frustrated with computers, laptops and phones that are slow beyond belief. Even if it's only lagging a couple of seconds.

Did the computer create my impatience? Did it heck.

[Beso]

As a sumsung tv repair man i also come into contact with frantic mothers explaining how the tv fell over leaving an impact from blunt object smash on the tv in the kids room.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

As a sumsung tv repair man i also come into contact with frantic mothers explaining how the tv fell over leaving an impact from blunt object smash on the tv in the kids room.

But let's blame the black box on the floor rather than parent the child, eh?

Are these same mothers replacing the TV each time rather than addressing the clear issues with their children?

Also, I hope you get paid the going rate of a psychologist, given that I gather you carried out a full assessment of these countless kids.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

But let's blame the black box on the floor rather than parent the child, eh?

Are these same mothers replacing the TV each time rather than addressing the clear issues with their children?

Also, I hope you get paid the going rate of a psychologist, given that I gather you carried out a full assessment of these countless kids.

You can only parent the child after the event has happened, what i am saying is that gaming can trigger a reaction like that in a kid that hasnt shown any signs of anger in the past so im not do sure why you are getting as arsey as ts is.

I take my side on this issue using real life experience which i think is the best way to go as gaming is such a big money spinner now that only an idiot would believe any studys in the matter.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

You can only parent the child after the event has happened, what i am saying is that gaming can trigger a reaction like that in a kid that hasnt shown any signs of anger in the past so im not do sure why you are getting as arsey as ts is.

I'm not getting arsey.

On the topic, emphasis on the word "trigger".
A wife who forgets to buy something from the shop can trigger her abusive husband to give her a smack. Is she the cause and reason for his violent temper? Or is she just an outlet for issues he already has?

The same applies here. If they're not throwing gaming consoles around in frustration at a game they lost, they're screaming their head off with road rage in a car or throwing the spanner across the shed when trying to fix their bike.

Triggers come in many forms, but are not the cause of someone's personality traits.

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

I take my side on this issue using real life experience which i think is the best way to go as gaming is such a big money spinner now that only an idiot would believe any studys in the matter.

Well... we're all only using our experiences. That's all we can do.

What I will say is, meeting mothers who need new TV's due to kids throwing consoles is not a valid argument to back up the point you were making. That's not a source or evidence, it's simply an anecdote.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

You can only parent the child after the event has happened, what i am saying is that gaming can trigger a reaction like that in a kid that hasnt shown any signs of anger in the past so im not do sure why you are getting as arsey as ts is.

And what I'm saying is, if a kid has an anger / frustration response like that triggered by something as simple as playing a game, it's probably better that it IS triggered by playing a game / lobbing a controller, so that they can get help early with their anger and impulse control problems... Because something is going to trigger it eventually, and rather a smashed TV than a glass smashed in someone's face at the pub, or a fist smashed in a girlfriend or wife's face for pissing him off. No?

[AnnieK]

Some children are prone to frustration. My son is a case in point. He gets terribly frustrated with lego....at the moment that frustration manifests as tears as he is only 7. I am a fairly calm person so he doesn't get his frustration from me. He doesn't have any gaming consoles yet (although I'm tight because everyone in his class has at least 1 apparently) so his frustrations stems from somewhere else. Most children grow out of it I think

[Beso]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Some children are prone to frustration. My son is a case in point. He gets terribly frustrated with lego....at the moment that frustration manifests as tears as he is only 7. I am a fairly calm person so he doesn't get his frustration from me. He doesn't have any gaming consoles yet (although I'm tight because everyone in his class has at least 1 apparently) so his frustrations stems from somewhere else. Most children grow out of it I think

Hi annie.

Would it be fair to say most kids grow out of lego so the frustrations go away?

If so, if that child was then given a games console, the childs frustrations would increase rather than stay the same due to the amounts of adreniline the childs body can produce as it ages? And can it increase further as the games they can access are designed to produce more adreniline rushes?