[ChristmasNeeve]

Ok If we're going to compare a like for like situation, how about Helen & Paul V's Daley and Hazel. In that situation Paul was the Hazel, breaking the man code etc (now admittedly they're relationship seemed more genuine and didn't end violently lol) but anyway, everyone loved them two, no one got Big G on the show to shame Helen or Paul and no one branded Paul a Home wrecker either. Why is it the other man is never branded a home wrecker and never gets the pure hatred the other woman does? Also, if anything Paul was worse because Helen never denied she had a b/f on the outside or told Paul they were on a break or whatever

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[ChristmasNeeve]

Indeed Jesus, indeed

[alex_front2]

Paul was a harmless twonk who didn't mean to homewreck. Hazel practically thrust her vagina on Daley and refused to put it away until he caved in.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Paul was a harmless twonk who didn't mean to homewreck. Hazel practically thrust her vagina on Daley and refused to put it away until he caved in.

OMG lol, he didn't mean to be a home wrecker, therefore it's ok? what is this logic lol?

I do agree with you though Niamh, the stick Hazel has received has been completely ott. Daley is in the relationship and the responsibility was all his. Hazel has no responsibility to anyone but herself in that instance.

People fancy each others partners all the time. Anyone on here with a long term partner I can practically guarantee someone they work with will fancy them, and more than likely be attracted to someone else as well.

We're humans not robots. The choices we make to block out other advances are ours and ours alone, it is never up to the person who fancies your partner to back off.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I do agree with you though Niamh, the stick Hazel has received has been completely ott. Daley is in the relationship and the responsibility was all his. Hazel has no responsibility to anyone but herself in that instance.

People fancy each others partners all the time. Anyone on here with a long term partner I can practically guarantee someone they work with will fancy them, and more than likely be attracted to someone else as well.

We're humans not robots. The choices we make to block out other advances are ours and ours alone, it is never up to the person who fancies your partner to back off.

Exactly and if you're in a relationship where you don't think that responsibility lies firmly on your partner then you need to reevaluate your relationship imo

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I do agree with you though Niamh, the stick Hazel has received has been completely ott. Daley is in the relationship and the responsibility was all his. Hazel has no responsibility to anyone but herself in that instance.

People fancy each others partners all the time. Anyone on here with a long term partner I can practically guarantee someone they work with will fancy them, and more than likely be attracted to someone else as well.

We're humans not robots. The choices we make to block out other advances are ours and ours alone, it is never up to the person who fancies your partner to back off.

Very good post Jesus x

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Paul was a harmless twonk who didn't mean to homewreck. Hazel practically thrust her vagina on Daley and refused to put it away until he caved in.

Funny how he managed to find the strength to over-power, threaten,bully and intimidate her when he felt like it though......

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ok If we're going to compare a like for like situation, how about Helen & Paul V's Daley and Hazel. In that situation Paul was the Hazel, breaking the man code etc (now admittedly they're relationship seemed more genuine and didn't end violently lol) but anyway, everyone loved them two, no one got Big G on the show to shame Helen or Paul and no one branded Paul a Home wrecker either. Why is it the other man is never branded a home wrecker and never gets the pure hatred the other woman does? Also, if anything Paul was worse because Helen never denied she had a b/f on the outside or told Paul they were on a break or whatever

Because we live in a sexist environment.Men can (by and large) do what they want, women are held to a much much higher and stricter standard.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Speedster

Because we live in a sexist environment.Men can (by and large) do what they want, women are held to a much much higher and stricter standard.

Sad but true... although it's only a section of people who have the nineteen-fifties mindset. Hard to believe in 2013. I find it the saddest when it's women justifying the stereotype.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Paul was a harmless twonk who didn't mean to homewreck. Hazel practically thrust her vagina on Daley and refused to put it away until he caved in.

That smacks of the Poor man excuse people made for daley tbh, so it works both ways then, if you're a man with a g/f or if you're the home wreckin' man, it's never your fault?

[Roy Mars III]

Helen and Paul were twats

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Helen and Paul were twats

Equal rights Roy, good man

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Helen and Paul were twats

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[Kizzy]

Oop's careful niamh, you don't want to cause pre frontal lobes across the UK to explode as they battle to comprehend this do you?.....

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oop's careful niamh, you don't want to cause pre frontal lobes across the UK to explode as they battle to comprehend this do you?.....

[Josy]

How do you know people never gave Paul lots of **** for his relationship with Helen or branded him a home wrecker (genuinely wondering)?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Josy

How do you know people never gave Paul lots of **** for his relationship with Helen or branded him a home wrecker (genuinely wondering)?

Because I watched the show and read about it?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because I watched the show and read about it?

Yeah so did I but at that point there wasn't really as much discussions on forums and stuff like this one that's why I was genuinely wondering, maybe he did get grief from people but we were just unaware?

I could be wrong here since it was so long ago but wasn't it Helen that started the whole thing off? I just don't think the two relationships can be compared anyway IMO they fell for each other, it was genuine and they went on to have a healthy relationship outside the house that lasted years, I never saw it the same way with Daley and Hazel, it just all looked like sexual attraction/frustration between those two especially the way she kept trying to arouse him..

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah so did I but at that point there wasn't really as much discussions on forums and stuff like this one that's why I was genuinely wondering, maybe he did get grief from people but we were just unaware?

I could be wrong here since it was so long ago but wasn't it Helen that started the whole thing off? I just don't think the two relationships can be compared anyway IMO they fell for each other, it was genuine and they went on to have a healthy relationship outside the house that lasted years, I never saw it the same way with Daley and Hazel, it just all looked like sexual attraction/frustration between those two especially the way she kept trying to arouse him..

No I wasn't joined a forum back then but there was BBLB and BB featured a whole lot more in magazines etc back then so there was plenty of opinions floating about. Everyone loved them two and was hoping they'd get together as far as I can remember it.

I take your point about the type of relationship but I'm just talking more about the Home wrecking label

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah so did I but at that point there wasn't really as much discussions on forums and stuff like this one that's why I was genuinely wondering, maybe he did get grief from people but we were just unaware?

I could be wrong here since it was so long ago but wasn't it Helen that started the whole thing off? I just don't think the two relationships can be compared anyway IMO they fell for each other, it was genuine and they went on to have a healthy relationship outside the house that lasted years, I never saw it the same way with Daley and Hazel, it just all looked like sexual attraction/frustration between those two especially the way she kept trying to arouse him..

Who initiated it and how it played out is beside the point here slightly. The fact is there were two people, one in a relationship and they still went ahead and acted on their impulses.
So in that respect they are identical...
Yes hazel was already unpopular for her perceived role initially but the real injustice was when this unpopularity was highlighted following daleys expulsion and used as an excuse for the assault.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who initiated it and how it played out is beside the point here slightly. The fact is there were two people, one in a relationship and they still went ahead and acted on their impulses.
So in that respect they are identical...
Yes hazel was already unpopular for her perceived role initially but the real injustice was when this unpopularity was highlighted following daleys expulsion and used as an excuse for the assault.

Not identical in the slightest Kizzy, for a start it wasn't all sexually charged with them, Helen wasn't constantly trying to make Paul stand to attention, I think they genuinely fell in love with each other, read my last post back for the differences I saw in the relationships...

[alex_front2]

Women and men are different and women have to accept this. If women want to be seen like men then I suggest they book themselves the same surgery as Chastity Bono.

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Women and men are different and women have to accept this. If women want to be seen like men then I suggest they book themselves the same surgery as Chastity Bono.

Ignoring the gender realignment quip, you probably need to expand your point. Are you agreeing that there are double standards, or just saying that men and women deserve to be treated differently?