[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Can you explain how children have the choice to be born to a home to a heterosexual couple? To a single mother? To a single father? I have a feeling that you already know that you're talking **** because you want some attention but i'd be very interested to hear your answer

I didn't say they have a choice.

My point is that when you, as the authorities, are choosing where to place a child then you want to place it with a mother. Mothers are quite important.

I keep hearing that "heveryone has the right to adopt, the right to be happy, the right to a child." What a selfish viewpoint. The only person whose happiness is paramount is the child. Robbing a child of a mother from day one is not healthy.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Unfortunately, despite a number of opportunities, we have no idea what he means because he rambles on about utter bollox whenever he's asked.

HMs are usually interviewed in one of the tabloids. Has he explained his views in one of those yet?

Btw, even your version of what he meant is still offensive.

Do you think he is has to explain or justify his views?

[jet]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Do you think he is has to explain or justify his views?

He obviously wanted to, given that he called for a conference for 1 oclock.
In which he proceeded to be a pompous ass who made it all about him wanting respect for himself...

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by jet

He obviously wanted to, given that he called for a conference for 1 oclock.
In which he proceeded to be a pompous ass who made it all about him wanting respect for himself...

He never brought it up. BB did.

I am asking if you think he has to justify or explain his views?

[jet]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

He never brought it up. BB did.

I am asking if you think he has to justify or explain his views?

He called the conference to justify his views, not BB.
It's no skin off my nose whether he wants to justify them or not. It's up to him. But he wanted to, and failed miserably.

[ThriceShy]

Just as I thought. My ignore list grows.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Do you think he is has to explain or justify his views?

He called a meeting to justify them.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

He called a meeting to justify them.

That isn't what I asked.

Do you think that he, or indeed anyone with such views, should have to justify them?

Winston was wrong IMO to try and justify them. I said from the beginning that he should have just said "its my opinion" and ignored them. He hasn't because he has lived with 15 people who were all bullying him.

So I will rephrase my question:

Do you think anyone with such views should have to justify them?


I'll nail my colours to the mast. I don't think they should.

[ThriceShy]

By the way, if you recall, it was the HMs, and specifically Gemma, that demanded that Winston explain his views when the task happened.

They seemed to think he somehow had a duty to explain them.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

That isn't what I asked.

Do you think that he, or indeed anyone with such views, should have to justify them?

Winston was wrong IMO to try and justify them. I said from the beginning that he should have just said "its my opinion" and ignored them. He hasn't because he has lived with 15 people who were all bullying him.

So I will rephrase my question:

Do you think anyone with such views should have to justify them?


I'll nail my colours to the mast. I don't think they should.

They should expect to be challenged on them.

They can try and justify them if they like, I don't care as the justifications are usually a load of waffle anyway and have no basis in fact.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

They should expect to be challenged on them.

They can try and justify them if they like, I don't care as the justifications are usually a load of waffle anyway and have no basis in fact.

Why should they expect to be challenged on them? Are you saying those views are less valid than opposing views?

Why shouldn't someone who agrees with gay adoption expect to be challenged on their views?

And I return to the question I asked yesterday. Why wasn't Jim Davidson expected to be challenged on his view that Brian Dowling is a "shirtlifter" and a "puff"? Do we only challenge people we don't like?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Why should they expect to be challenged on them? Are you saying those views are less valid than opposing views?

Nope. Try reading again.

Why shouldn't someone who agrees with gay adoption expect to be challenged on their views?

It's called debate. Ever changed your opinion on something when hearing different sides? Hardly shocking behaviour.

And I return to the question I asked yesterday. Why wasn't Jim Davidson expected to be challenged on his view that Brian Dowling is a "shirtlifter" and a "puff"? Do we only challenge people we don't like?

How the **** should I know? Ask the producers. I hated Jim.

[erinp5]

Winston doesn't give a straight answer because he doesn't understand the question .

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Nope. Try reading again.



It's called debate. Ever changed your opinion on something when hearing different sides? Hardly shocking behaviour.




How the **** should I know? Ask the producers. I hated Jim.

You are deliberately avoiding my point, as usual.

You claim that someone like Winston should be challenged on his views. Why? Why is his view less worthy than say John's? Should John be challenged on his?

Let us suppose that Winston had simply said, as I advised, "It's my opinion, I don't wish to discuss it, the end." Would that be OK?

Is Winstons opinion as valid as John's? If not, why not?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

You are deliberately avoiding my point, as usual.

You claim that someone like Winston should be challenged on his views. Why? Why is his view less worthy than say John's? Should John be challenged on his?

Let us suppose that Winston had simply said, as I advised, "It's my opinion, I don't wish to discuss it, the end." Would that be OK?

Is Winstons opinion as valid as John's? If not, why not?

You are being deliberately obtuse.

Maybe someone else can be arsed with you because I can't.

[jet]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

You are deliberately avoiding my point, as usual.

You claim that someone like Winston should be challenged on his views. Why? Why is his view less worthy than say John's? Should John be challenged on his?

Let us suppose that Winston had simply said, as I advised, "It's my opinion, I don't wish to discuss it, the end." Would that be OK?

Is Winstons opinion as valid as John's? If not, why not?

If only you would take your own advice.
Just joking, the forum is for discussion, carry on.

[erinp5]

Now he denies making homophobic remarks

Disgraced Celebrity Big Brother contestant Winston McKenzie has denied making homophobic comments and called the allegations ‘grotesque’.

The former UKIP candidate told reporters on Friday night: ‘I don’t know who said that. I deny any allegation – I think that’s a grotesque statement to make.’

He added: ‘I genuinely do not remember saying that unless someone has some tape and then they need to come forward. But I don’t remember saying something like that.’
http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/09/celebr...ments-5611836/
You would think he would have lookedat his VT before denying he said it !!!!

Youtube video

[Beso]

Oh oh, a bit of passive agression creeping in now.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

You are being deliberately obtuse.

Maybe someone else can be arsed with you because I can't.

A wise retreat.

Your view that Winston should be challenged tells us everything.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

A wise retreat.

Your view that Winston should be challenged tells us everything.

I'd challenge any view I disagree with. It's only you that thinks he's a special case. So it tells you **** all really

If the person doesn't want to engage in debate, so what?

Views are challenged all the time on any subject.

You like conversations that go 'I think blah blah is whatever. It's my opinion and that's that. I don't have to justify it'

The conversation would be very short and probs end with 'umm ok, moving on'...

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

I'd challenge any view I disagree with. It's only you that thinks he's a special case. So it tells you **** all really

If the person doesn't want to engage in debate, so what?

Views are challenged all the time on any subject.

You like conversations that go 'I think blah blah is whatever. It's my opinion and that's that. I don't have to justify it'

The conversation would be very short and probs end with 'umm ok, moving on'...

Great so you also think John should be challenged on his view that gay adoption is right.

We got there in the end didn't we.

[jet]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/09/celebr...ments-5611836/

WTF? What is wrong with this man? He denies saying what he did on his VT..

Disgraced Celebrity Big Brother contestant Winston McKenzie has denied making homophobic comments and called the allegations ‘grotesque’.
The former UKIP candidate told reporters on Friday night: ‘I don’t know who said that. I deny any allegation – I think that’s a grotesque statement to make.’
He added: ‘I genuinely do not remember saying that unless someone has some tape and then they need to come forward. But I don’t remember saying something like that.’

OFCOM received 403 complaints after Winston was admitted that he would ‘cope with a homosexual in the house’ before adding: ‘I guess I’ll just have to stand with my back against a brick wall all the time.’
He also revealed that he thought it was ‘child abuse’ to allow gay couples to adopt children.
The comments were made in a pre-recorded introduction for Tuesday night’s launch episode, and it was reported that producers were struggling to decide how to deal with the backlash from viewers.

A shock eviction during Friday night’s show sealed Winston’s fate however, with 13 housemates voting for Winston to leave.
Gemma Collins told him: ‘Winston your comment was absolutely disgusting. I couldn’t bare to see John so upset in the house.’
Former EastEnders actor John Partidge, who is gay, told Winston: ‘I don’t respect you and that disgusted me too.’
Metro.co.uk have contacted reps for Winston for comment

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/09/celebr...ments-5611836/

WTF? What is wrong with this man? He denies saying what he did on his VT..

He might have the onset of Dementia for all we know,don't be nasty

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

He might have the onset of Dementia for all we know,don't be nasty

Where am I and who are you?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I didn't say they have a choice.

My point is that when you, as the authorities, are choosing where to place a child then you want to place it with a mother. Mothers are quite important.

I keep hearing that "heveryone has the right to adopt, the right to be happy, the right to a child." What a selfish viewpoint. The only person whose happiness is paramount is the child. Robbing a child of a mother from day one is not healthy.

...the child's happiness and the best family for them is always considered as the first priority, though...and in that priority gay couples are able to adopt because they are felt to be preferential parents, to be able to offer what that child needs..there is no 'robbing' by adoption agencies of anything a mother could provide because in some cases it's the biological mother herself who has 'robbed'...robbing her child(ren) of love, safety, trust and of a committed, responsible and stable home and maternal parent...and instead, damaged them in some cases with abuse...children..(I don't mean babies..).. that are adopted are often and mostly very 'damaged' children and very mistrusting, for obvious reasons.... they can and often do, have extreme behaviour issues...and where a mother herself has been the issue/the reason for their being adopted and the reason for their 'damage'...they can also have no trust with females in their lives/who then become the 'targets' for their emotions, through their fear and mistrust of them and it certainly wouldn't be in their best interest to place them with one... but for instance..two males could be exactly what's needed to provide that happiness...there is not 'one size fits all' child to be adopted as the reasons for them being adopted/their lives are entirely different and equally there is not a one size fits all parenting for that child(ren)...it's not selfish at all to give a child happiness and a family who can best provide that, to give them everything, they've already been 'robbed' of before adoption, I would say it's the exact opposite of selfishness...it would be robbing a second time, to deny them that if it was available to them...


..but equally, if a male/female parenting is what that child(ren) need, that's indeed exactly what they get...always what will provide them with what they've been 'robbed' of in their lives...