[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Withano

That's actually pretty interesting that he's disassociated himself with the edl. I didn't know that.
When it comes to tommy, I personally think, and I think a lot of people probably feel the same, that he is a guy that opposes one form of extremism very strongly. And when a person only opposes one form of extremism (i.e. Islamic) you must presume that there are racial/hateful implications.
I looked through his tweets - because I wasn't expecting to see him make a 20 minute video shouting at white right wing men - to see what he had to say about this event, and the closest he got to shaming it was asking people to compare this (presumably the death toll) to Manchester. The guy is scum. He's aggressive and honestly his stories about having multiple converted friends is either obvious bull**** or he's the unluckiest man in the universe!
Does make you wonder if this event would have happened at all if edl and Britain first didn't exist. Organisations that preach literally nothing but hate can't leave a good mental impression on anybody. Good for him for disassociating himself with that I guess. He hasn't done too much to prove he's much different though, to me.

I think it's not shocking to him because he's been predicting that this was going to start happening for a long time.Although i did see an interview recently where he called this guy "a monster".
As for him knowing people who've been radicalised i think i can probably believe it due to the extent of the problem in Luton.People getting converted on the street etc,Hate preachers living there and high tensions.There is alot of unreported shiz going on.Most of the country don't see this stuff as thankfully it seems concentrated to certain areas but how long before it grows more widespread is the worry.

[MTVN]

He left the EDL a few years ago now and for a time he was gaining a modicum of respectability by working with the Quilliam foundation which works with the Muslim community to tackle extremism. It was soon after then that he was invited to address the Oxford University union and he did actually give quite a measured and thought-provoking speech there. I don't think he works with Quilliam anymore though and recently he's got back into anti-Islam street activism with EDL-type movements like Pegida. He does always choose his words quite carefully and he doesn't explicitly advocate violence but he is still a dangerous man

[Tom4784]

The guy is a terrorist, white people can be terrorists too, you know.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The guy is a terrorist, white people can be terrorists too, you know.

we have no idea at the moment as we do not know if the man had any political aims

at the moment, unless you know otherwise, he is a guy who injured some people in a late night incident in London which appears to be due to a hatred of muslims but that has not been fully established. The man is not known to the security service and no group has claimed responsibility.

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

we have no idea at the moment as we do not know if the man had any political aims

at the moment, unless you know otherwise, he is a guy who injured some people in a late night incident in London which appears to be due to a hatred of muslims but that has not been fully established. The man is not known to the security service and no group has claimed responsibility.

don't disagree on not knowing motive etc, but the PM has labelled it a terrorist attack, so thats what I will go with for the moment.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

don't disagree on not knowing motive etc, but the PM has labelled it a terrorist attack, so thats what I will go with for the moment.

Is it wise to let Theresa May do your thinking for you?...

[joeysteele]

Another really worrying incident, thankfully it seems injuries rather than deaths.

Just shocking and really this could happen anywhere any City too.

[Vladimir]

It's a horrible incident, but it's not terrorism if lacks a political motive and continuity, which seems to be the case.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vladimir

It's a horrible incident, but it's not terrorism if lacks a political motive and continuity, which seems to be the case.

If a muslim yelled something like 'Allahu Akbar' during their attack, that is terrorism but if someone who has just attempted to kill a bunch of muslims say 'I want to kill muslims' then that isn't terrorism?

Where is the logic in that?

[Vladimir]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If a muslim yelled something like 'Allahu Akbar' during their attack, that is terrorism but if someone who has just attempted to kill a bunch of muslims say 'I want to kill muslims' then that isn't terrorism?

Where is the logic in that?

I never mentioned religion though.

Terrorism must include political motives and continuity (more than one attack perpetrated or it must be proved that attacker planned to execute more than one attack).

If a muslim attacker is connected to ISIS or some other terrorist organisation, he is definitely a terrorist. But if he decided one day to drive his vehicle into crowd because he wanted to punish the society for 'being racist' then it is not terrorism.

Many attacks in Europe lately have been wrongly labeled as terrorism by politicians because such lables give them power to use harder counter-terrorism measures. Media also love the word.

[Kizzy]

Here's some food for thought, what constitutes a 'hate preacher?'

Could hopkins, farage and certain media outlets be comparable?

'Ukip’s “Breaking Point” poster, showing a queue of refugees and migrants which was used during the EU referendum campaign, was reported to police last June over claims that it incited racial hatred.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7797166.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Here's some food for thought, what constitutes a 'hate preacher?'

Could hopkins, farage and certain media outlets be comparable?

'Ukip’s “Breaking Point” poster, showing a queue of refugees and migrants which was used during the EU referendum campaign, was reported to police last June over claims that it incited racial hatred.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7797166.html

er no

its just bored multi millionaire author JK Rowling virtue signalling for likes as her star fades...

hardly worth an article unless you are a fading once newspaper who resorts to clickbait to pay the mortgage

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

er no

its just bored multi millionaire author JK Rowling virtue signalling for likes as her star fades...

hardly worth an article unless you are a fading once newspaper who resorts to clickbait to pay the mortgage

I say she's got a point..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I say she's got a point..

i say she is talking bollocks as per

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i say she is talking bollocks as per

Says the internet troll

[Withano]

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs. It doesnt matter which paper picks them up to me. If shes got something interesting to say, her words should be shared. Its almost as if people want others to stop posting on tibb or sumin

In response to her, I would always presume that hate preachers targetted a specific group and praised their own.. so under my definition, I dont think Hopkins suits. She hates so many people, including people she would probably consider part of her own ingroup. Farage is questionable though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs. It doesnt matter which paper picks them up to me. If shes got something interesting to say, her words should be shared. Its almost as if people want others to stop posting on tibb or sumin

In response to her, I would always presume that hate preachers targetted a specific group and praised their own.. so under my definition, I dont think Hopkins suits. She hates so many people, including people she would probably consider part of her own ingroup. Farage is questionable though.

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs.

let me guess why..because she says things you agree with?

unless you have another reason?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs.

let me guess why..because she says things you agree with?

unless you have another reason?

I dont always agree with her, there was a thread the other month that i cba to find which i disagreed at. I even stated in the post you quoted that i dont entirely agree with everything she has said here.. so your presumption is frankly bizarre. She just obviously has more moral integrity and intelligence than the average celeb / politician.. so why shouldnt we take her words just as seriously, if not more seriously?

[Northern Monkey]

I'd say JK Rowlings opinion on terrorism is about as valid as mine.Now get her talking about writing and she's an expert.
Politicians probably do get more info on the subject than the average Joe.

[Kizzy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7797826.html

[Vicky.]

Horrible bastard. Its just idiocy to blame all Muslims for what a few of them do. Should all white people be blamed now because of this twat?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Horrible bastard. Its just idiocy to blame all Muslims for what a few of them do. Should all white people be blamed now because of this twat?

He is obviously not right in the head.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He is obviously not right in the head.

yep and

Security Minister Ben Wallace said the suspect was not known to the security services, and was believed to have acted alone.

crazy lone wolf like the Jo Cox chap

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He is obviously not right in the head.

Few terrorists are.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Horrible bastard. Its just idiocy to blame all Muslims for what a few of them do. Should all white people be blamed now because of this twat?

We will get blamed by some of their community.