[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Women have been and still are oppressed in many societies but we don’t make a fuss about men dressing as women. Nothing stereotypical or mocking about drag queens then. That is not only about history but about an unchallenged here and now. I am calling out those that have such blatant double standards.

So continue to explain if you feel the need.

I would stick to the topic or start a thread to discuss the oppression of women I will be glad to discuss that at length.

As it stand this is coming across a you simply hijacking this thread to suit your agenda.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Women have been and still are oppressed in many societies but we don’t make a fuss about men dressing as women. Nothing stereotypical or mocking about drag queens then. That is not only about history but about an unchallenged here and now. I am calling out those that have such blatant double standards.

So continue to explain if you feel the need.

Well said Brillo !!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Women have been and still are oppressed in many societies but we don’t make a fuss about men dressing as women. Nothing stereotypical or mocking about drag queens then. That is not only about history but about an unchallenged here and now. I am calling out those that have such blatant double standards.

So continue to explain if you feel the need.

Do you find drag queens offensive? I've never met a woman who does but carry on making up s**t that doesn't exist to try and make your views sound less racist if it makes you feel better

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Women have been and still are oppressed in many societies but we don’t make a fuss about men dressing as women. Nothing stereotypical or mocking about drag queens then. That is not only about history but about an unchallenged here and now. I am calling out those that have such blatant double standards.

So continue to explain if you feel the need.

I really don't think drag is comparable to blackface or has anything to do with sexism. First of all women as well as men perform in drag as the opposite sexes (it's just drag queens are far more popular than drag kings... they're still a legitimate thing though), but mainly because for a lot of people drag is an expression of rebellion against gender stereotypes and is therefore liberating for both sexes, it really doesn't have anything at all to do with 'mocking' the other sex, it's about mocking the ways in which society expects those sexes to behave (and I've seen a lot of drag shows and honestly a lot of them don't even try and hide the fact they're a man in a dress with some of the stuff they come out with ), and also there just isn't the historical context to compare it to blackface, it hasn't been used as a repressive thing (quite the opposite), and it's not insulting towards a group of people. You link women being oppressed by men with men dressing up as women but even though it's women being impersonated, it's not women that are the 'targets' of it, which makes it very different.

[user104658]

Err hush Kizzy, the silly little Zulu man LOVES blackface how dare you suggest otherwise.

[Kizzy]

From the same article...
'An effigy of Pope Paul V (d1621) is burnt by Cliffe Society and all the while torches and barrels burn and “rookies”, powerful agricultural bird scarers, are detonated in packed streets as rum, mead and the local Harvey’s ale flows. Eighty people were injured last year.'

It sounds delightful... :/
I'll stick to sparklers in the back garden with the kiddies.

[user104658]

I don't think sexism is much of a problem on here, though, not like race issues are, so that's probably why it comes up less? I can only think of one member who was clearly sexist and he's now been permanently banned for that. Well... OK... There's also arista but he appears to be MIA too (and I don't think anyone took much of what he said seriously anyway).

Obviously, equality of the sexes is still a major issue globally but no one disagrees about that so there's not as much to discuss. I think it's pretty much that simple.

There's no one, or very few people, here arguing that sexism is OK or being sexist on the forum... In fact I'd say TiBB is pretty "gender blind" and that's one of the major positives of the site.

[user104658]

The point is, really, that sexism is not what this thread is about and so, even if the point is valid, posting about it here seems designed to detract from the thread topic more than anything else? Even if you're right, and one issue does get more attention than the other, that has nothing to do with the topic of this particular thread... It's a totally different discussion that could have its own thread.

[arista]

Nice to see you Back
CHUFF

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Nice to see you Back
CHUFF

Hiya just reading through this thread, and my conclusion is people need to stop being so petty, stop sitting at computer or watching tv waiting to pounce on a bit of bloody humour, lighten up, get a grip and a bloody life ,miserable set of buggers without a sense of humour ,no one can see a joke now, what a miserable world we live in when people sit waiting to pounch on a bit of fun ,so glad my youth was spent in the none PC mad world

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Hiya just reading through this thread, and my conclusion is people need to stop being so petty, stop sitting at computer or watching tv waiting to pounce on a bit of bloody humour, lighten up, get a grip and a bloody life ,miserable set of buggers without a sense of humour ,no one can see a joke now, what a miserable world we live in when people sit waiting to pounch on a bit of fun ,so glad my youth was spent in the none PC mad world

You find blackface funny?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You find blackface funny?

Remind me never to have a night out with you fgs

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by arista

Nice to see you Back
CHUFF

Nice to see you back too Arista.

[Tom4784]

Is that a yes?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Is that a yes?

I don't know, you tell me

[Macie Lightfoot]

I love the implication that nights out with chuff involve blackface never change hun!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I love the implication that nights out with chuff involve blackface never change hun!

I will never,ever change Macie ..... nothing like having a good sense of humour and remembering we are only here for a short time so enjoy life and LAUGH a lot, God Im so glad Im not a miserable PC freak who's life revolves around being a miserable cow

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I don't know, you tell me

I'd assume so, since you seemed to downplay it as a joke in that post and that people who were offended by blackface should 'stop being so petty' and 'lighten up' (ooop at that choice of words).

Who are you to decide what offends people or not? Especially considering that, as a white person, it's ludicrous for you to decide and dictate what might be offensive to someone of a different ethnicity.

Perhaps you should take a look into the history of Blackface, maybe then you'll understand why it's so offensive.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'd assume so, since you seemed to downplay it as a joke in that post and that people who were offended by blackface should 'stop being so petty' and 'lighten up' (ooop at that choice of words).

Who are you to decide what offends people or not? Especially considering that, as a white person, it's ludicrous for you to decide and dictate what might be offensive to someone of a different ethnicity.

Perhaps you should take a look into the history of Blackface, maybe then you'll understand why it's so offensive.

And vica versa

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

And vica versa

That makes no sense since I'm not telling anyone that they should or shouldn't be offended while you are telling people that they shouldn't be.

Context shouldn't be a difficult concept to understand, Chuff.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That makes no sense since I'm not telling anyone that they should or shouldn't be offended while you are telling people that they shouldn't be.

Context shouldn't be a difficult concept to understand, Chuff.

You said " Who are you to decide what offends people or not? " and I said " and visa versa" is that so hard for you to understand ? I have as much right to tell people to lighten up and get a bloody grip as you have to tell them to march on Westminster about it

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You said " Who are you to decide what offends people or not? " and I said " and visa versa" is that so hard for you to understand ? I have as much right to tell people to lighten up and get a bloody grip as you have to tell them to march on Westminster about it

You should read posts more carefully, I never once said that people should be offended by this which would be the 'vice versa' to you telling people that they shouldn't be offended. I've only defended people's right to take offense, something you are trying to deny them. I'm just offering context and empathy as to why people find blackface offensive.

I never said people should 'march on Westminster about it' either. You should stick to what people actually said instead of imagining what you wanted them to say.

[Kazanne]

I am going to shave my head,pour some syrup on it , put a stick up my arse and dress as a toffee apple . Apologies to all apples who maybe offended.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am going to shave my head,pour some syrup on it , put a stick up my arse and dress as a toffee apple . Apologies to all apples who maybe offended.

whatever floats your boat

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

whatever floats your boat

Well it all seems to be going a bit too far now,we did a zulu tribe in our local carnival a few years back, the kids loved it the crowd loved it nothing racist was raised,just a good happy fun day,people just seem to want to whinge over everything and everything,and for what it's worth I think some of the comments to brillo are offensive,but hey ho,that's life.