[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Brain differences exist between men and women so avoiding picking out a pink dress for your 3 year old daughter is a massive backstep?

I don’t understand your reasoning at all.

Gender will always exist. Postponing the idea of gender until the child can understand gender wont change that. It’s either that or force gender on a child.

What actually is your solution lol. You seem to be against both.

Can we please talk about this without the condescension because I'm really not in the mood today.

"Brain differences exist between men and women so avoiding picking out a pink dress for your 3 year old daughter is a massive backstep?"

When did I say that? I said specifically saying some things like pink dresses are for girls so lets wait a while to see if you go for the pink dress to see if you're a girl or not is a sexist idea and a backwards step.

You seem to be against both.

Against both what? you've lost me now

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Can we please talk about this without the condescension because I'm really not in the mood today.

"Brain differences exist between men and women so avoiding picking out a pink dress for your 3 year old daughter is a massive backstep?"

When did I say that? I said specifically saying some things like pink dresses are for girls so lets wait a while to see if you go for the pink dress to see if you're a girl or not is a sexist idea and a backwards step.

You seem to be against both.

Against both what? you've lost me now

Against both a genderless upbringing, and a gender role upbringing. Whats the solution?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Against both a genderless upbringing, and a gender role upbringing. Whats the solution?

I'm for raising girls and boys to decide what they like for themselves. Things like colours, clothes, school subjects etc should not be considered as one genders preferences or another or one sexes preference for that matter. They should be just personal tastes, down to the individual. What I'm saying is linking these things to gender at all is counter productive and sexist. I've been saying this all the way through the thread, I'm not sure what you're confused about?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm for raising girls and boys to decide what they like for themselves. Things like colours, clothes, school subjects etc should not be considered as one genders preferences or another or one sexes preference for that matter. They should be just personal tastes, down to the individual. What I'm saying is linking these things to gender at all is counter productive and sexist. I've been saying this all the way through the thread, I'm not sure what you're confused about?

Well the thread is about a genderless upbringing which is exactly what you just described, but it seemed like you turned against the idea after mine and TS’ post. Maybe you were just against anything sciency being related to gender? But theres not much anyone can do about that.

Female and transwomen brains just are better (on average) at multi-tasking, empathy and verbal expression etc because of the way the brains are built. This probably created a few stereotypes over the last few thousand years.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well that will get her some attention.

oh! It has.

It's all about attention seeking.

Poor kid

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Poor kid

yep and she isnt even married and also she has 2 other kids by 2 different fathers

[LeatherTrumpet]

I will say that, right now, she is incredibly feminine in her energy, her sounds and her way. It’s very different from the boys," she said.


says it all really

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well the thread is about a genderless upbringing which is exactly what you just described, but it seemed like you turned against the idea after mine and TS’ post. Maybe you were just against anything sciency being related to gender? But theres not much anyone can do about that.

Female and transwomen brains just are better (on average) at multi-tasking, empathy and verbal expression etc because of the way the brains are built. This probably created a few stereotypes over the last few thousand years.

Again with the condescension Withano, come on you're better than that

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well that will get her some attention.

oh! It has.

It's all about attention seeking.

Spot on Alf her acting career has gone nowhere so she has to find other ways to stay relevant


Funny how she didn't do this with her first two boys

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Again with the condescension Withano, come on you're better than that

That was genuinely trying to understand your perspective, i out it as a question because I wasnt sure. You seemed to switch your outlook straight after those posts and I dont understand why.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

That was genuinely trying to understand your perspective, i out it as a question because I wasnt sure. You seemed to switch your outlook straight after those posts and I dont understand why.

I don't believe likes or dislikes are down to biology and not all science supports your stance either. I'm firmly of the belief that gender "norms" are down to socialization and should not even be a thing as we're all individuals and shouldn't be put in boxes because of our personalities or preferences

The experience of being a man is fundamentally different from the experience of being a woman. "That throws a huge wrench in the works for trying to relate the differences in brain structure to different behaviors," says David Freedman, professor of neurobiology at the University of Chicago, who was not involved in the UK study. "You can't do the controlled experiments. I don't know if you could ever come up with a group of men and a group of women where you could say, 'Well, they have an equivalent life experience and so it's valid to make the comparison.' That's what makes it super hard to really say something conclusive."

https://curiosity.com/topics/is-ther...ins-curiosity/

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

Lifes tough and you can't always get what you want. I wanted all the toys in the shop, but I had to make do with whatever my parents got me.

Can't the child be taught these life lessons once they're getting closer to 10 years old? At 4 years old you're suppose to not have a care in the world and within reason get everything that you want, not be being told about how “lifes tough” as they'll know that as they start reaching adulthood.

[Cherie]

On a practical note what would you dress an 14 month old toddler in if they showed both an interest in Thomas the Tank Engine and Barbie In my experience todders will play with most things, say for argument sake they were invited to a birthday party what would you dress them in? @TS and Withano

[Alf]

If you allowed a child to eat what they want, they wouldn't eat fruit and veg. They need parental guidence.

Until the little brats can provide for themselves, then they've no right to call the shots.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

If you allowed a child to eat what they want, they wouldn't eat fruit and veg. They need parental guidence.

Until the little brats can provide for themselves, then they've no right to call the shots.

Making sure your baby is eating healthily is the same as making sure they are dressed up in right clothes according to their gender?

I oppose the whole 'genderless' upbringing (it's not a big deal to let kids play with whatever toys they want and like what they like and people need to stop making out that it is) but that's a completely silly comparison to make.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Alf

If you allowed a child to eat what they want, they wouldn't eat fruit and veg. They need parental guidence.

Until the little brats can provide for themselves, then they've no right to call the shots.

That's doesn't really compare Alf. Unless you're saying that you'd feed your child only fruit and veg until they're old enough to buy their own food... in which case that would be silly.

Like Dezzy said, making sure a child is happy and healthy is unrelated to giving them a bloody toy to play with.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

If you allowed a child to eat what they want, they wouldn't eat fruit and veg. They need parental guidence.

Until the little brats can provide for themselves, then they've no right to call the shots.

Parents deciding what food a child should eat is very different to telling a child that they can't play with a toy that they like.

[LeatherTrumpet]

by the time a kid is 4 they know exactly what toys they like and dont like

mums and dads censor by price more than anything else

[parmnion]

Nothing really changes in adulthood.....men drink pints and women drink wine or gin.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yep and she isnt even married and also she has 2 other kids by 2 different fathers

that's not relevant tbh

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by montblanc

that's not relevant tbh

3 kids by 3 fathers?

i think that tells you its own tale

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nothing really changes in adulthood.....men drink pints and women drink wine or gin.

nothing worse than a woman drinking a pint

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nothing really changes in adulthood.....men drink pints and women drink wine or gin.

I definitely am a stereotype when it comes to Wine, I can't stand the stuff.

Give me Whisky, Vodka, and Rum anyday of the week.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nothing really changes in adulthood.....men drink pints and women drink wine or gin.

That proves the point more than anything though Parm, because pints are ****ing disgusting.

Or, OK, rather... I know that SOME people enjoy them, but I also know that a lot of men (especially young men) will order a pint "because that's what men order" despite not actually liking beer. I was one of them from 18 (well... 16 ) up until about 22 when I stopped being arsed about "ordering what other blokes order" and started ordering what I actually wanted. I also knew LOADS of guys who started to admit mid-20's that they don't actually like beer and would rather drink wine, or spirits with mixer.

And I guess that's kind of the point, isn't it.

Poor souls forcing down that bloody bathwater swill instead of a delicious alcopop "cos that's wot burly blokes do, arrrr".


My other prime example is Football. ALL boys pretend to like it up until about age 12. After that, slowly some people start to admit they never were fussed for it. Do some still love it? Obviously, yes, but it starts to become apparent that a lot of kids will pretend a lot of things "to fit in with their gender peers".

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That proves the point more than anything though Parm, because pints are ****ing disgusting.

Or, OK, rather... I know that SOME people enjoy them, but I also know that a lot of men (especially young men) will order a pint "because that's what men order" despite not actually liking beer. I was one of them from 18 (well... 16 ) up until about 22 when I stopped being arsed about "ordering what other blokes order" and started ordering what I actually wanted. I also knew LOADS of guys who started to admit mid-20's that they don't actually like beer and would rather drink wine, or spirits with mixer.

And I guess that's kind of the point, isn't it.

Poor souls forcing down that bloody bathwater swill instead of a delicious alcopop "cos that's wot burly blokes do, arrrr".


My other prime example is Football. ALL boys pretend to like it up until about age 12. After that, slowly some people start to admit they never were fussed for it. Do some still love it? Obviously, yes, but it starts to become apparent that a lot of kids will pretend a lot of things "to fit in with their gender peers".

That's not true at all