[Beastie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well I dont really know who the foreigners are but generally they're here because we offer a better standard of living than their home countries, and a lot of this countries prosperity was built on the back of it's imperialism.

I know they are here because it is better standard of living here and that they would work for peanuts. They would do the jobs that most of us English people can't do. Like I said it was just 2 of the foreigners having a go at me. 1 of them looked at me like a piece of sh!t when I was in work last. But yes.. I don't mind the majority of them. I do treat people for the person who they are. Not what race they come from. I am just saying that I am a bit paranoid that it would only take the odd 1 or 2 foreigners to try and take over the country. Who are deluded because they hate the British White people. It's the same for British White people. Some of them are racists and don't give foreigners a chance. It works both ways. I don't agree with British white people who sponge off the system, don't work or even try to get work. (I know we are in hard times) and who keep having babies. However another reason some foreigners are in this country is also to sponge of the system. To get a council house and free stuff like this because they can't get it in their own country. When it comes down to it all. Yes. It is the government to blame. The government needs to start being more strict and stop handing out these free goods. When people who have to work.. or people who are trying to look for work and are just coping on JSA are the ones who have to pay the price!!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by thebeast

I know they are here because it is better standard of living here and that they would work for peanuts. They would do the jobs that most of us English people can't do. Like I said it was just 2 of the foreigners having a go at me. 1 of them looked at me like a piece of sh!t when I was in work last. But yes.. I don't mind the majority of them. I do treat people for the person who they are. Not what race they come from. I am just saying that I am a bit paranoid that it would only take the odd 1 or 2 foreigners to try and take over the country. Who are deluded because they hate the British White people. It's the same for British White people. Some of them are racists and don't give foreigners a chance. It works both ways. I don't agree with British white people who sponge off the system, don't work or even try to get work. (I know we are in hard times) and who keep having babies. However another reason some foreigners are in this country is also to sponge of the system. To get a council house and free stuff like this because they can't get it in their own country. When it comes down to it all. Yes. It is the government to blame. The government needs to start being more strict and stop handing out these free goods. When people who have to work.. or people who are trying to look for work and are just coping on JSA are the ones who have to pay the price!!

Yeah fair enough, there's always going to be some bad apples in the basket, and that applies to Brits and immigrants. I agree that the welfare system is definitely to open to abuse as well.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah fair enough, there's always going to be some bad apples in the basket, and that applies to Brits and immigrants. I agree that the welfare system is definitely to open to abuse as well.

Yes it applies to everyone. Unfortunately for minions like myself we just have to get on with it. Anyway it is mainly the welfare system that is wrong with the country.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well I dont really know who the foreigners are but generally they're here because we offer a better standard of living than their home countries, and a lot of this countries prosperity was built on the back of it's imperialism.

Let's not forget that while the Empire took a lot from various countries, it gave a lot too, especially in the last half-century when people realised the mistakes of the past. India's infrastructure was built by the British, and Britain gave them a system of government. Ever since India gained independence in the forties we've been giving them aid. Millions every year... over a billion last year. At the same time, they have a fast-growing economy and they're developing their space programme, hoping to have a man in space within the next ten years. So why are we still sending them money when there are people in this country who are homeless and poor?

Furthermore, the Empire became the Commonwealth. If the Commonwealth smacks of imperialism and is not beneficial, how come Mozambique chooses to be a part of it when it was never a part of the Empire?

The vast majority of people in Britain never made a penny from the Empire, especially the working class. But when people come here for a better standard of living from places like India and Pakistan, almost without exception they are housed amongst the working class who have to listen to them moaning about how they were oppressed by the Empire while during that same period most working class Brits lived in squalor with no access to proper education or healthcare and almost no chance of bettering themselves.

Should Italy still be paying for the countries they invaded under their Roman Empire? How much more will Britain have to pay before people latch on to the fact that it happened generations ago yet we're still apologising for it?

Everyone should be rightly proud of their own country, without feeling the need to pick over the past of someone else's.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

Let's not forget that while the Empire took a lot from various countries, it gave a lot too, especially in the last half-century when people realised the mistakes of the past. India's infrastructure was built by the British, and Britain gave them a system of government. Ever since India gained independence in the forties we've been giving them aid. Millions every year... over a billion last year. At the same time, they have a fast-growing economy and they're developing their space programme, hoping to have a man in space within the next ten years. So why are we still sending them money when there are people in this country who are homeless and poor?

Furthermore, the Empire became the Commonwealth. If the Commonwealth smacks of imperialism and is not beneficial, how come Mozambique chooses to be a part of it when it was never a part of the Empire?

The vast majority of people in Britain never made a penny from the Empire, especially the working class. But when people come here for a better standard of living from places like India and Pakistan, almost without exception they are housed amongst the working class who have to listen to them moaning about how they were oppressed by the Empire while during that same period most working class Brits lived in squalor with no access to proper education or healthcare and almost no chance of bettering themselves.

Should Italy still be paying for the countries they invaded under their Roman Empire? How much more will Britain have to pay before people latch on to the fact that it happened generations ago yet we're still apologising for it?

Everyone should be rightly proud of their own country, without feeling the need to pick over the past of someone else's.

Oh yeah, the Empire did definitely do a lot of good in some respects, something that is often ignored today. But we still took over their countries, killed and manipulated a lot of their people and built prosperity off the back of it.

You're making a bit of a generalisation when you say they come over here moaning though, most of them don't.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Oh yeah, the Empire did definitely do a lot of good in some respects, something that is often ignored today. But we still took over their countries, killed and manipulated a lot of their people and built prosperity off the back of it.

You're making a bit of a generalisation when you say they come over here moaning though, most of them don't.

This is what paranoies me a bit. What we did to other countries many years ago, them countries could do the same to us. A "payback". However 2 wrongs don't make a right. People need to get with the times.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Oh yeah, the Empire did definitely do a lot of good in some respects, something that is often ignored today. But we still took over their countries, killed and manipulated a lot of their people and built prosperity off the back of it.

You're making a bit of a generalisation when you say they come over here moaning though, most of them don't.

Yes, I see it looks like a generalisation. Obviously they don't all moan, but like everything, it's the ones that make the most fuss who get the most attention.

The prosperity benefited a minority of the British public. It's not like we're all living high on the hog because the century before last, we took India before France of Germany did.

[InOne]

Thing is though, it's the 2nd generation that are the worst, cos they're brought up with the attitudes of their parents, so they're born with a chip on their shoulder

[lostalex]

Yes, the British empire did some good. There might be some people that would disagree, but they're already dead.

The best thing that can be said about the "british empire" is that it's finished.

I saw an episode of "who do you think you are?" recently, featured a woman who learned of how her family built their wealth on the slave trade.

While Britain had outlawed slavery on their own soil, didn't stop the British elite from still profiting from the slave trade in the carribean and south and north america.

I notice brit's love to mention slavery in reference to denigrating America, but who is really to blame? Follow the money.

[lostalex]

Captain AMERICA IS TOO HOT NOT TO BE PATRIOTIC.:....

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Captain AMERICA IS TOO HOT NOT TO BE PATRIOTIC.:....

Kinda Sad
that the Yanks are scared to now have a Capt America.
but then again
GW Bush Carpet Bombing in Iraq
that is Evil.

So maybe
re-name him Capt Evil -America
and be Honest.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Kinda Sad
that the Yanks are scared to now have a Capt America.
but then again
GW Bush Carpet Bombing in Iraq
that is Evil.

So maybe
re-name him Capt Evil -America
and be Honest.

Evil? nah.... maybe captain NAUGHTY America though...

[Angus]

Since when has "Patriotism" been a dirty word? Since it has been hijacked by the ivory towered minority as a derogatory term denoting "racism" in order to slap down any dissent. We are now in the invidious position in Britain where to be proud to be British is practically a criminal offence, whilst we are expected, no required, to celebrate, respect and promote the national identities of those who CHOOSE to come and settle here. Even the loony left have now admitted that multiculturalism does NOT work and WHY? Surprise, surprise - it's because the cultural practices and norms of the different nationalities jostling for scarce resources on our tiny island are often diametrically opposed and any possibility of integration is impossible. Immigrants to this country are positively discouraged from integration by the ridiculous laws that dismiss any signs of patriotism from the host nation as being racist or bigoted.

One example would be the rising tide of anti-semitism in this country against a Jewish community that have lived here for centuries and contributed much to our history and culture. How are their rights and freedoms to be protected against the anti-semitic views of recently arrived immigrants?