[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No Dezzy you are not getting it. No one on here has disagreed with the officers suspension. At no point have I made him out to be a victim..its not my fault that you interpret my views wrongly. You are incapable of discussion. Next time we have a knifeman on the loose who actually stabs and kills someone lets just hope a policeman doesnt have to second think how to reprimand him without showing any aggression at the expense of endangering the public further.

Why is it you and your crew cant respond to debate without making it personal.

yes well said, police officers do still need to use some form of force in restraining the suspect

maybe pepper spray, tear gas are good options in taking suspects down still a use of force, but more a mild way, i mean if tear gas or pepper spray is in eyes, it can be washed out with water afterwards while in police custody of course

also i am soo here for no more debates becoming personal, i mean more it can go heated i am not against that, but staying ontopic is also good for the debate too

[Ammi]

...well, the investigation/inquiry will take place, which is exactly what should happen with such a questionable method used and if there are specific reasons why there was no alternative to what has been described as ‘extremely disturbing’ by the police body official...then I’m sure that will all be revealed in the inquiry and the correct outcome will be made...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Put me in the same position on the floor with the cuffs on at the front and I would seriously hurt you if you was a copper.

You lot have never been in a fight in your life.

When adrenaline kick in it gives people incredible strength that’s why you sometimes see 5 police trying to hold one guy.

Come off it, Sheriff. You ain't hurting ish.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Lol the way you care more about the fact you think he was "aggressive" (when he wasn't anyway) says a lot. I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if he had used that knife on one of your family members though

Well said

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well said

Thought you were against family members being brought into discussions?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Missed the point AGAIN...


IF this man had stabbed and killed someone or several people this police officer would NOT be suspended for restraining him in an aggressive way ?....he would be a ****ing hero....

I think it's you who is not getting it.

IF this man had stabbed and killed anyone he would not be getting arrested by this officer.

Think before posting. 'IF' is not a valid discussion of what ACTUALLY took place. So, "this would be ok if this man was a murderer", well, he's not a murderer so it has **** all to do with the discussion.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Why would he be carrying a knife if the intent was not to harm/kill somebody, or at the very least scare people with it to use to his advantage?

I'm genuinely shocked that people are trying to defend him here. Actually... I'm not.

Who's defended him?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Put me in the same position on the floor with the cuffs on at the front and I would seriously hurt you if you was a copper.

You lot have never been in a fight in your life.

When adrenaline kick in it gives people incredible strength that’s why you sometimes see 5 police trying to hold one guy.

Sheriff with the obligatory "I'm a hard bastard" contribution.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Swan

All this 'well it didn't happen, he didn't do this or that' nonsense. Surely prevention is the best way to go about it, by using force if necessary. Or are we in an age where we allow someone to potentially kill, rather than restrain, at the risk of offending some members of the public (whilst trying to protect and serve them). The man was carrying a knife, was resisting arrest, was violent, he was obviously dangerous and threat to the public. Should he have had his head knelt on when cuffed, nope, but in the heat of the moment, it can't be easy restraining a violent, armed criminal.

More training is needed, with increasing knife crime and violence, and with so much public unrest, these situations will arise more and more.

All of this 100%

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who's defended him?

People appear to not actually care that he had a knife because he "didn't use it" lol.

When the only reason he didn't was because of those police officers, most likely if not that particular day, very possibly in the future.

He was a danger to the public and all people care about is a policeman trying to stop him using a minor amount of force.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think it's you who is not getting it.

IF this man had stabbed and killed anyone he would not be getting arrested by this officer.

Think before posting. 'IF' is not a valid discussion of what ACTUALLY took place. So, "this would be ok if this man was a murderer", well, he's not a murderer so it has **** all to do with the discussion.

It’s a broadened discussion....looking at the bigger picture...all part of the topic Marsh..

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by caprimint

People appear to not actually care that he had a knife because he "didn't use it" lol.

When the only reason he didn't was because of those police officers, most likely if not that particular day, very possibly in the future.

He was a danger to the public and all people care about is a policeman trying to stop him using a minor amount of force.

Lol...it’s called Tunnel Vision

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

It’s a broadened discussion....looking at the bigger picture...all part of the topic Marsh..

Not really. If this man was a murderer it would be an entirely different situation.

If you have to exaggerate the situation to that of "a man whose stabbed dozens of people and killed your family" in order to make your point seem logical then it's no longer logical or rational.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by caprimint

People appear to not actually care that he had a knife because he "didn't use it" lol.

When the only reason he didn't was because of those police officers, most likely if not that particular day, very possibly in the future.

He was a danger to the public and all people care about is a policeman trying to stop him using a minor amount of force.

Nobody has said any of this. They've said him having a knife doesn't change the fact the police officer did not follow procedure.

I don't think it needs pointing out that it is not a defence of the criminal being arrested and what they were arrested for.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really. If this man was a murderer it would be an entirely different situation.

You're not getting what people are saying, we're not saying he is/was a murderer. We're saying he had the potential to be one, be it he was carrying a deadly weapon. The intent was/could have been there. He wasn't treated like this for stealing a can of coke, but the fact that he was involved in a violent crime, and carrying a knife.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

You're not getting what people are saying, we're not saying he is/was a murderer. We're saying he had the potential to be one, be it he was carrying a deadly weapon. The intent was/could have been there. He was treated like this for stealing a can of coke, but the fact that he was involved in a violent crime, and carrying a knife.

I don't recall commenting on what you said.

The police officer's actions were not appropriate, hence his suspension.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't recall commenting on what you said.

The police officer's actions were not appropriate, hence his suspension.

Which means what exactly? That i have no right to comment on what you post, on an open forum?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Which means what exactly? That i have no right to comment on what you post, on an open forum?

Nope. It means that your response of "That's not what we're saying" makes no sense since none of what I said was aimed at your views.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nope. It means that your response of "That's not what we're saying" makes no sense since none of what I said was aimed at your views.

Myself and few others are saying the same thing, your post went against what i was saying, being on an open forum i added my opinion to what you was saying. Makes perfect sense actually, it's how forums and debates work.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nobody has said any of this. They've said him having a knife doesn't change the fact the police officer did not follow procedure.

I don't think it needs pointing out that it is not a defence of the criminal being arrested and what they were arrested for.

Okay but what about the MAIN POINT of the fact he was carrying a knife? Seems like that is being ignored and all of this is just yet another way for people to trash the police.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Myself and few others are saying the same thing, your post went against what i was saying, being on an open forum i added my opinion to what you was saying. Makes perfect sense actually, it's how forums and debates work.

It really didn't.
You're arguing a point I didn't address. Probably for the sake of it as you have some major issue with me. Go off.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It really didn't.
You're arguing a point I didn't address. Probably for the sake of it as you have some major issue with me. Go off.

Lol, when was the last time i even quoted you in a thread? You're not that important Marsh.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Okay but what about the MAIN POINT of the fact he was carrying a knife? Seems like that is being ignored and all of this is just yet another way for people to trash the police.

How is that the main point when the point is that the police officer completely disregarded his training (or wasn't trained properly to begin with)?

The man was being arrested for his crime including carrying this weapon, that's not really up for debate.

The debate is whether the police officer used appropriate measures to bring the man under control. He didn't, therefore he's been suspended.

The police are not infallible.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Lol, when was the last time i even quoted you in a thread? You're not that important Marsh.

I'm not, no. You make me feel it though.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Okay but what about the MAIN POINT of the fact he was carrying a knife? Seems like that is being ignored and all of this is just yet another way for people to trash the police.

Only the police that don’t follow the correct procedures.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I'm not, no. You make me feel it though.

Then i must mean something to you if i make you feel important, yet you mean nothing to me