[Grimnir]

Will there ever be a peaceful resolution or will it drag on and on and on

Listening to Netanyahu and his hardline zionist approach I don't

Who is President of USA? Obama or Netanyahu?

How would you resolve the situation in middle east?

[InOne]

Give Israel back to the Palestinains, they all got on peacefully before or a degree, not the level of violence we've seen in the years it's been created

[GypsyGoth]

I think the Jewish religion is very primitive, and the fanatics who believe that the dirt over there is sacred are bonkers.

They should all be unbrainwashed and then they could live happily where ever they wanted.

Problem solved

[MTVN]

Well Israel should end it's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza & East Jerusalem first of all, for too long they've flouted international law and gotten away with it while killing thousands of Palestinians. A two-state solution would be the best option I suppose, I cant see much progress being made while Netanyahu is still in charge though

[BB_Eye]

Why Netanyahu thinks having thousands of Israelis illegally occupy Palestinian land is in the interests of their national security is what baffles me. Israel has stockpiles of nuclear weapons. Hardly the sort of country anybody would dare invade. They can look forward to more and more terrorist attacks if they carry on this way though.

[joeysteele]

No, I don't see Netanyahu as a peacemaker,having said that neither was Ariel Sharon.

Israel will nver give up the territory gained decades ago, the Palestinians will accept nothing less than that so I don't see a real chance for lasting peace there.

[arista]

The Yank President
will not get his wish.



Feel The Force.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Put women in every political job that a man currently has

[joeysteele]

Reading up on the history of Israel, it had a Woman PM.Golda Meir, decades ago who was just as much a warmonger and hard liner as any Male PM.

Israeli politicians don't want change or to give a single bit of land up.That's the major problem.

[GiRTh]

Any resolution would have to involve who has rights to Jerusalem. Both parties are not prepared to budge, so it seems unresolvable to me.

[Braden]

I'm doing this know for my History GCSE.

-takes notes of what people are saying-

[Grimnir]

A = Golan Heights
B = West Bank
C = Gaza Strip
1 = Northern
2 = Haifa
3 = Central
4 = Tel Aviv
5 = Jerusalem
6 = Southern


Both sides need to compromise.

Here is how I would resolve it.

Palestine would be the entire West Bank, Golan Heights and Northern District.
Israel would not like giving up Northern District but they need to compromise and engage in land swaps. Some could argue they not entitled to ANY part of Palestine, so they should not be so hardline.

Israel would be Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Central and Southern and Gaza.
Jerusalem is contested by both sides, but it should be the capital of Israel.
It has religious significance to all 3 abraham religions but muslims have Mecca, Medina and other holy places already. Jews have none.

All the Palestine refugees would be resettled in the new Palestine and Israelis be resettled within Israel.

Further to this, the US and especially rich Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE should invest millions into developing a new coastal capital city between Haifa and Lebanon for the Palestinians. Look at Dubai and all these mega cities for inspiration and see it is more than possible.

This is more than fair compromise in my opinion. I really believe the Palestinians would accept it, but I do not think Jews would. There in lies the problem.

[Grimnir]

An alternate solution for Jerusalem would be it becomes neither part of Israel or Palestine.

Instead it becomes a small independent state. Government is power shared between Christian, Muslim and Jew. Freedom of religion within of what ever faith.

Israel then is Jewish state.
Palestine is Islamic state.
Jerusalem (the holy land they all fight over for so long) is Christian, Jewish and Islamic equally.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

A = Golan Heights
B = West Bank
C = Gaza Strip
1 = Northern
2 = Haifa
3 = Central
4 = Tel Aviv
5 = Jerusalem
6 = Southern


Both sides need to compromise.

Here is how I would resolve it.

Palestine would be the entire West Bank, Golan Heights and Northern District.
Israel would not like giving up Northern District but they need to compromise and engage in land swaps. Some could argue they not entitled to ANY part of Palestine, so they should not be so hardline.

Israel would be Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Central and Southern and Gaza.
Jerusalem is contested by both sides, but it should be the capital of Israel.
It has religious significance to all 3 abraham religions but muslims have Mecca, Medina and other holy places already. Jews have none.

All the Palestine refugees would be resettled in the new Palestine and Israelis be resettled within Israel.

Further to this, the US and especially rich Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE should invest millions into developing a new coastal capital city between Haifa and Lebanon for the Palestinians. Look at Dubai and all these mega cities for inspiration and see it is more than possible.

This is more than fair compromise in my opinion. I really believe the Palestinians would accept it, but I do not think Jews would. There in lies the problem.

Some already view Jerusalem as the un-official capital of Israel even though it isnt. Palestine want to claim it as the capital of their new Palestine. Neither is prepared to budge thus more fighting and bloodshed. This is the classic holy war.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

An alternate solution for Jerusalem would be it becomes neither part of Israel or Palestine.

Instead it becomes a small independent state. Government is power shared between Christian, Muslim and Jew. Freedom of religion within of what ever faith.

Israel then is Jewish state.
Palestine is Islamic state.
Jerusalem (the holy land they all fight over for so long) is Christian, Jewish and Islamic equally.

Excellent suggestion, I think that's a good solution but the one Nation that would never agree to that is Israel and the USA and UK would always back Israel,right or wrong.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

An alternate solution for Jerusalem would be it becomes neither part of Israel or Palestine.

Instead it becomes a small independent state. Government is power shared between Christian, Muslim and Jew. Freedom of religion within of what ever faith.

Israel then is Jewish state.
Palestine is Islamic state.
Jerusalem (the holy land they all fight over for so long) is Christian, Jewish and Islamic equally.

Doesnt really seem feasible to me at all

[arista]

"Both sides need to compromise."


Get the yank president away from this and they might.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by arista

"Both sides need to compromise."


Get the yank president away from this and they might.

Yes, because after centuries of killing each other, they'll suddenly start getting along. Israelis and Palestinians will never agree to anything -- EVER. Israel runs on American money. With the US, they cease to exist.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I think the Jewish religion is very primitive, and the fanatics who believe that the dirt over there is sacred are bonkers.

They should all be unbrainwashed and then they could live happily where ever they wanted.

Problem solved

You think the Jewish religion is primitive? What, compered to Islam, you mean? And I think you'll find that everyone involved, on both sides, consider the ground sacred.

If you look at why Israel was established you'll probably see that it was done with the best intentions by rather idealistic and blinkered people. Speaking as a Jew who has spent time in Israel and know how dangerous the situation is there, I have to say I'd like to see everyone chill out and try to get on. The Jews need to understand how the Palestinians feel, and the Palestinians have to know how the Jews feel. And the USA should butt our for a change, because a lot of the tension is created by their unquestioning support of the Jews.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Livia

You think the Jewish religion is primitive? What, compered to Islam, you mean? And I think you'll find that everyone involved, on both sides, consider the ground sacred.

From what I know there is the rule about food, Jewish believers can only eat kosher meat. That might have been relevant once, like when there was a chance of getting ill from meat killed a different way, but now it shows a lack of understanding about the modern world. It seems to me really out of date.

Also there is the way bits are cut off of boys penis, that seems really messed up. I couldn’t imagine a god telling people to do that. I'm surprised it's not outlawed.

And the way a women can’t become a religious leaders, that seems like old fashioned sexism.

Now I don’t think it’s all bad, there seems to be a wonderful sense of family. And sometimes community. And I do think the muslim religion is more primitive, and christianity is out of date too.

But I suppose it’s easy for me to criticize religions when I have none, maybe the way people are controlled by faith is a good thing in someway. However it seems to cause a lot of the wars that go on, and it seems to lead to people hating each other.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

You think the Jewish religion is primitive? What, compered to Islam, you mean? And I think you'll find that everyone involved, on both sides, consider the ground sacred.

If you look at why Israel was established you'll probably see that it was done with the best intentions by rather idealistic and blinkered people. Speaking as a Jew who has spent time in Israel and know how dangerous the situation is there, I have to say I'd like to see everyone chill out and try to get on. The Jews need to understand how the Palestinians feel, and the Palestinians have to know how the Jews feel. And the USA should butt our for a change, because a lot of the tension is created by their unquestioning support of the Jews.

I'm just left in awe, yet another informed,reasoned and first class post.

[Shaun]

yay apartheid~

[karezza]

The Jews are God's chosen people. They are not Nazis.

[karezza]

My favourite Zionists:

Boyd Hilton
Alan Yentob
Robert Popper
Rebecca Front
David Baddiel
David Schneider
Danny Cohen
Louise Ellman

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

From what I know there is the rule about food, Jewish believers can only eat kosher meat. That might have been relevant once, like when there was a chance of getting ill from meat killed a different way, but now it shows a lack of understanding about the modern world. It seems to me really out of date.

Also there is the way bits are cut off of boys penis, that seems really messed up. I couldn’t imagine a god telling people to do that. I'm surprised it's not outlawed.

And the way a women can’t become a religious leaders, that seems like old fashioned sexism.

Now I don’t think it’s all bad, there seems to be a wonderful sense of family. And sometimes community. And I do think the muslim religion is more primitive, and christianity is out of date too.

But I suppose it’s easy for me to criticize religions when I have none, maybe the way people are controlled by faith is a good thing in someway. However it seems to cause a lot of the wars that go on, and it seems to lead to people hating each other.

Yes Jews eat Kosher meat, in much the same way that Muslims eat Halal meat. It doesn’t show a lack of understanding of the modern world at all. I think you show a lack of understanding if you think that the way animals are slaughtered in abattoirs is any better. And you can be a Jew and a veggie or a vegan.

Circumcision isn’t just a religious thing. For instance the majority of men in the USA are circumcised for reasons that have nothing to do with religion. It’s not outlawed because it’s a recognised medical procedure, unlike the "modern" passion for punching holes through clitorises and penises and other parts of the body.

Tell Rabbi Julia Neuberger that you can’t be a religious leader http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_N...ness_Neuberger … then see if you can find an equivalent position to hers in… say… Catholicism. And I might mention that Israel had a female prime minister years before the UK did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golda_Meir

I think you’ll find an equal amount of wars have been caused by greed, vanity and avarice. Religious people do not have the monopoly on hating each other and causing wars. Sometimes people with no religion show a monumental lack of understanding by feeling they have a right to criticise freely people who do follow a religion without knowing the first thing about what it means.