[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Boy child refugees are not housed with girl child refugees.

In my area of work I had to be trained up on refugee children and for a long time its been said that young adults are clearly slipping through the 'child' net but without definitive proof, there's little we can do because under the 'Child Protection Act' there's a duty of care.

Regardless of age, these young adults have often lost everything. Their home, their entire family and all their worldly possessions. They haven't understood what safety is for a very long time and the boys especially are at great risk of being recruited as soldiers or herded out of their towns by Jihadists and murdered. I've never talked to these boys personally but I'm told by people who have that they are so grateful and look forward to going home at some point in the future.

I'm so glad we could help.

Only as long as they do no harm whilst here. If they do they should be out the door for good.

[DemolitionRed]

What we need to remind ourselves of is, our enemy is their enemy too.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What we need to remind ourselves of is, our enemy is their enemy too.

well we need to remember the clamour to let in these wicked liars when clearly they were lying and that a certain Nigel Farage explained precisely that this would happen

That is lesson number 1

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well we need to remember the clamour to let in these wicked liars when clearly they were lying and that a certain Nigel Farage explained precisely that this would happen

That is lesson number 1

Its 75% of those tested, not 75% of all the children that have come in. Its a small fraction in comparison and the article link says this.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What we need to remind ourselves of is, our enemy is their enemy too.

I'm more concerned about things like NHS bed shortages, school places,and not having to build over green space for houses, than "nerr enemies tho."

Especially when with proper border control and not sticking our noses in, ISIS don't need to be our problem.

[DemolitionRed]

I think what's sad is, these children are raised and supported here in the UK until they are 18. When they are 18 and even on their 18 birthday, all support stops and if their local council hasn't managed to sort out their paperwork, they are arrested as illegal aliens.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Very true, a lot of people preaching strict or non-existent immigration would be the first ones to try to cheat the system if the situation was reversed.

You can't possibly know that. That's a really provocative assumption.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm more concerned about things like NHS bed shortages, school places,and not having to build over green space for houses, than "nerr enemies tho."

Especially when with proper border control and not sticking our noses in, ISIS don't need to be our problem.

Would you believe me if I told you NHS beds aren't short because of immigrants and asylum seekers? I'm guessing you wouldn't.

Anyway, asylum seekers are not the same as migrants. Migrants apply to come to Britain, asylum seekers are running from war and persecution. There's a big difference.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I think what's sad is, these children are raised and supported here in the UK until they are 18. When they are 18 and even on their 18 birthday, all support stops and if their local council hasn't managed to sort out their paperwork, they are arrested as illegal aliens.

We have enough of our own children that need help.

Many migrant ‘children’ here and in Europe have lied @bout their age, and we are not talking a few months or even a year or two are we. Others have committed rape, murder and terrorist attacks so it should come as no surprise that there is large-scale distrust of such ‘children’.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Would you believe me if I told you NHS beds aren't short because of immigrants and asylum seekers? I'm guessing you wouldn't.

I knowwww, it's because of the evil Tories and their evil cutbacks. But when we have fewer NHS beds - for whatever reason - bringing in more people, especially people from places without vaccines or decent healthcare, isn't the best idea.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I knowwww, it's because of the evil Tories and their evil cutbacks. But when we have fewer NHS beds - for whatever reason - bringing in more people, especially people from places without vaccines or decent healthcare, isn't the best idea.

Indeed.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lewis111

God forbid they take a couple years of their age so they have a better chance of getting into a country where their life isn't constantly at risk or at the lowest standard of living possible

It's one of those things where I get what you're saying and morally I do agree with you, but this country also can't afford to be too charitable as we do need to make sure that we don't overpopulate the country to an unhealthy degree, we've already pushed it as it is with 60 odd million.

[Mystic Mock]

I should've read the article.

But my point still stands for Sweden, they can't afford to overpopulate.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You can't possibly know that. That's a really provocative assumption.

It really isn't, it's very easy to judge immigrants from our position but if the roles were reversed so many anti-immigrant people would be doing everything they could to get into the country.

It's easy to judge from a position of safety but throw the Anti-Immigrant people into a refugee's shoes and see how quickly they'd find a way to cheat the system to get in.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I knowwww, it's because of the evil Tories and their evil cutbacks. But when we have fewer NHS beds - for whatever reason - bringing in more people, especially people from places without vaccines or decent healthcare, isn't the best idea.

Then what do you suggest? I'm not talking immigrants. I mean refugees?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It really isn't, it's very easy to judge immigrants from our position but if the roles were reversed so many anti-immigrant people would be doing everything they could to get into the country.

It's easy to judge from a position of safety but throw the Anti-Immigrant people into a refugee's shoes and see how quickly they'd find a way to cheat the system to get in.

You're correct, it's Human nature we all would do the same thing if our lives were under threat.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It really isn't, it's very easy to judge immigrants from our position but if the roles were reversed so many anti-immigrant people would be doing everything they could to get into the country.

It's easy to judge from a position of safety but throw the Anti-Immigrant people into a refugee's shoes and see how quickly they'd find a way to cheat the system to get in.

No-doubt if the roles were reversed - those currently trying to force themselves onto other countries would be the first to stop others from them doing so to them. You do realise it would undoubtedly work both ways don’t you.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Then what do you suggest? I'm not talking immigrants. I mean refugees?

I suggest there's a whole planet out there, with bigger and emptier countries than ours, and there's no reason we should take the burden at all.

[jaxie]

Since many of those child migrants came from France I find the argument that they were were so desperate that lying to take the place of a child was fine and dandy something I can't agree with. They were already in an EU country and therefore in safety so didn't need to steal the place of a vulnerable child.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No-doubt if the roles were reversed - those currently trying to force themselves onto other countries would be the first to stop others from them doing so to them. You do realise it would undoubtedly work both ways don’t you.

Bit of a pointless statement as it doesn't really affect what I'm saying but okay?

All you've really done is helped my argument that more empathy is needed for immigrants and that most people in our position are incapable of it.

[kirklancaster]

Where is the DEFINITIVE PROOF that some of those Refugees are not covert Terrorists, or have 'Terrorist Sympathies' or are not just opportunist 'Economic Migrants' taking advantage of the 'Refugee Crisis'?

We KNOW so very, very little about each and every individual that steps onto these shores as 'Refugees'.

And to decry anyone's legitimate claim that unfettered immigration - of any classification - does ADD to the burden on our already struggling NHS, POLICE, HOUSING and WELFARE SERVICES is, quite frankly banal.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Since many of those child migrants came from France I find the argument that they were were so desperate that lying to take the place of a child was fine and dandy something I can't agree with. They were already in an EU country and therefore in safety so didn't need to steal the place of a vulnerable child.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not the same thing and none of us know how we would act coming from a situation like that. I just think judging people who have seen and experienced s**t that none of us could even imagine is a bit, well, I just think it's wrong really, we don't know how lucky we are. I have nothing but sympathy for all these people. It's a bit high horse-ish to judge anyone in a situation like that when we were so lucky really to have been born where we were

What do you mean none of us, i would die to save a kid

Im sure loads know they would as well.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I suggest there's a whole planet out there, with bigger and emptier countries than ours, and there's no reason we should take the burden at all.

Well that Australian outback is pretty vast as is America etc,but their governments are looking after their own first,I am sure May would like do the same but the PC brigade wont let her, we have to take in kids with a beards and moustaches who say they are in danger when in fact some of them are a danger to us ,that has been proven. We are pretty stupid tbh,we must be a laughing stock,and sometimes I think when some of these people kill,rape and maim ,we bring it on ourselves.no one is saying deny genuine KIDS in need,but surely there needs to be better checks on some of these people.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What do you mean none of us, i would die to save a kid

Im sure loads know they would as well.

Words and actions are two different things, people always believe they'd do the heroic thing if the opportunity to arose but most people, in reality, would just watch from the sidelines.