[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That has been denied by Downing Street so who to believe a newspaper or a political correspondent depends on your political leaning I suppose.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coron...ie/ar-BB11xpk3

I'd be more likely to believe a newspaper with a good track record then the accused issuing a denial, tbh.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think it's easy to forget the suddenness with which this has all exploded. Nobody was contemplating a situation like we have now 2 or 3 weeks ago. Only 2 months ago the Chinese were assuring us that the virus couldn't be transmitted from person to person. It's a completely new phenomenon which is not well understood and the science behind it is changing all the time. I think the very least we owe any government trying to respond to this is to cut them a bit of slack because there is no precedent for this and there is no 'right' course of action. I'm already dreading all the smug commentators who use the power of hindsight in a few months time to cast blame on various figures and tell the tale of where it all went wrong. Imo we should all just be grateful that we don't have to carry the burden of decision making over the lives of millions of people.

A good post. I would not like to be in Boris's shoes. To reiterate...I doubt May would have been as compassionate.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Of course he cares Kate, afterall he is not immune from it or his pregnant girlfriend and look how they have pulled out all the stops,people that don't like him will never give him any credit.

I'm not cheerleading for him to fail, I've just seen the way this has been handled. We're in for a rude awakening in this country in a few weeks time. I have loved ones that rely on getting this right. I couldn't give a sh1t about him personally, only what his actions could potentially cost us, and more selfishly, me.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think it's easy to forget the suddenness with which this has all exploded. Nobody was contemplating a situation like we have now 2 or 3 weeks ago. Only 2 months ago the Chinese were assuring us that the virus couldn't be transmitted from person to person. It's a completely new phenomenon which is not well understood and the science behind it is changing all the time. I think the very least we owe any government trying to respond to this is to cut them a bit of slack because there is no precedent for this and there is no 'right' course of action. I'm already dreading all the smug commentators who use the power of hindsight in a few months time to cast blame on various figures and tell the tale of where it all went wrong. Imo we should all just be grateful that we don't have to carry the burden of decision making over the lives of millions of people.

Voice of reason as always

[bitontheslide]

i will support him and follow the advice given, if i think it's for the best. I don't offer a blanket support though. We can all make judgements from our arm chairs about what is right, what is wrong and if it was done in a timely manner etc. I think the strategy they are trying is to get the country on board with the choices rather than hammering them into submission, because that just won't work. For example, people want a lock down now ... they wouldn't have been so keen on that 2 weeks ago ... timing is critical in terms of effect and uptake

The biggest flag to me today was the medical officer preparing people for the fact that we are going to have a similar situation to italy, many are going to die. The effects on mental health at this point shouldn't be underestimated. The virus itself is but one aspect of the overall problem

[MTVN]

Having said that he did close my pub so bollocks to him

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think it's easy to forget the suddenness with which this has all exploded. Nobody was contemplating a situation like we have now 2 or 3 weeks ago. Only 2 months ago the Chinese were assuring us that the virus couldn't be transmitted from person to person. It's a completely new phenomenon which is not well understood and the science behind it is changing all the time. I think the very least we owe any government trying to respond to this is to cut them a bit of slack because there is no precedent for this and there is no 'right' course of action. I'm already dreading all the smug commentators who use the power of hindsight in a few months time to cast blame on various figures and tell the tale of where it all went wrong. Imo we should all just be grateful that we don't have to carry the burden of decision making over the lives of millions of people.

Well said ,so many people who think they know better than anyone else, it's so easy to blame those who are telling us what we should do ,how about everyone gets behind the powers that be and follow the advice.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Nope, completely incompetent, the death toll from this will be terrifying due to his slow response and lack of action.

and you know this based on what experience?

Virology?

Crisis management?

Medical degree?

Being in Government?

Being a Civil servant

Working in the NHS?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and you know this based on what experience?

Virology?

Crisis management?

Medical degree?

Being in Government?

Being a Civil servant

Working in the NHS?

Yes all of the above

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well said ,so many people who think they know better than anyone else, it's so easy to blame those who are telling us what we should do ,how about everyone gets behind the powers that be and follow the advice.

Indeed. We should all be bonding together and following Boris's governments and advisors plans.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Him not acting quick enough and now his voter base is all gonna die like, hello, irony

such a disgusting thing to say, half the people that voted for him this time round were working Northerners

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Having said that he did close my pub so bollocks to him

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm not cheerleading for him to fail, I've just seen the way this has been handled. We're in for a rude awakening in this country in a few weeks time. I have loved ones that rely on getting this right. I couldn't give a sh1t about him personally, only what his actions could potentially cost us, and more selfishly, me.

But isn't it OUR actions putting people at risk,some will just NOT follow the advice as some are just ignorant morons.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think it's easy to forget the suddenness with which this has all exploded. Nobody was contemplating a situation like we have now 2 or 3 weeks ago. Only 2 months ago the Chinese were assuring us that the virus couldn't be transmitted from person to person. It's a completely new phenomenon which is not well understood and the science behind it is changing all the time. I think the very least we owe any government trying to respond to this is to cut them a bit of slack because there is no precedent for this and there is no 'right' course of action. I'm already dreading all the smug commentators who use the power of hindsight in a few months time to cast blame on various figures and tell the tale of where it all went wrong. Imo we should all just be grateful that we don't have to carry the burden of decision making over the lives of millions of people.

In situations like this though, every HOUR counts and he’s left certain things for days longer than he should have, it’ll cost lives

[LeatherTrumpet]

Imagine if Corbyn had been in charge with Diane Abbott

it just is not worth thinking about

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Smithy

In situations like this though, every HOUR counts and he’s left certain things for days longer than he should have, it’ll cost lives

again

what are your credentials for these comments?

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But isn't it OUR actions putting people at risk,some will just NOT follow the advice as some are just ignorant morons.

Selfish ignorant morons.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i will support him and follow the advice given, if i think it's for the best. I don't offer a blanket support though. We can all make judgements from our arm chairs about what is right, what is wrong and if it was done in a timely manner etc. I think the strategy they are trying is to get the country on board with the choices rather than hammering them into submission, because that just won't work. For example, people want a lock down now ... they wouldn't have been so keen on that 2 weeks ago ... timing is critical in terms of effect and uptake

The biggest flag to me today was the medical officer preparing people for the fact that we are going to have a similar situation to italy, many are going to die. The effects on mental health at this point shouldn't be underestimated. The virus itself is but one aspect of the overall problem

exactly, if they had locked down, people would have whined that they would have done it themselves and weren't given the opportunity, at least know we see at first hand how stupid people are, and it does look like they think if they are in the 'fresh air' that's fine and dandy

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well said ,so many people who think they know better than anyone else, it's so easy to blame those who are telling us what we should do ,how about everyone gets behind the powers that be and follow the advice.

They are not immune from criticism? Especially as other countries are taking stricter lockdown measures and seeing falls in corona figures so we should follow precedent. Dither and delay (his words!) will only cost us more lives.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Yes all of the above

dont you work in a call centre doing HR?

(newish job)?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

dont you work in a call centre doing HR?

(newish job)?

if he is still in a call centre, sitting side by side with someone that is nothing less than criminal, I hope you have advised your HR dept Smithy?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by reece(:

They are not immune from criticism? Especially as other countries are taking stricter lockdown measures and seeing falls in corona figures so we should follow precedent. Dither and delay (his words!) will only cost us more lives.

you are basing this on countries who got the virus before us so the data cant be compared until at least the end of the year

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

again

what are your credentials for these comments?

Is there a particular reason you are only asking for my credentials as apposed to say Kazanne or MTVN or anyone else?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

dont you work in a call centre doing HR?

(newish job)?

Nope

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Imagine if Corbyn had been in charge with Diane Abbott

it just is not worth thinking about

Tories often like to avoid thinking about their mistakes by diverting attention to a hypothetical situation involving Corbyn. He lost and is irrelevant, you're gonna need another diversion from your mistakes because you can't just keep blaming Corbyn.

You got what you wanted, shoulder the responsibility for it.

[Smithy]

I have never worked in HR or a call center