[Cherie]

The WPC whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The WPC whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend

then they just don't need to use horses in these sort of things


another disgusting thing from the police that animal abuse

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The WPC whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend

Damn this is awful...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

then they just don't need to use horses in these sort of things


another disgusting thing from the police that animal abuse

Excuse me ? animal abuse is from those throwing fireworks and flares,bricks and bikes at the horses, good deflection though to try and blame the police,imo NO animals should be used for human safety or entertainment,I abhor horse racing, is that animal abuse ? i dont care what side you are on but to blame the police for those horses being hurt is just madness.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The WPC whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend

In a Phone Video
a Black Youth was clapping after she landed on her back


Just shown on Ch5HD AM Live

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by cherie

the wpc whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Excuse me ? animal abuse is from those throwing fireworks and flares,bricks and bikes at the horses, good deflection though to try and blame the police,imo NO animals should be used for human safety or entertainment,I abhor horse racing, is that animal abuse ? i dont care what side you are on but to blame the police for those horses being hurt is just madness.

the horses are being used by the police there, right


and i don't think we live in middle ages anymore, so hardly necessary either to use horses

when you should be aware they can get startled in chaotic events like riots

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the horses are being used by the police there, right


and i don't think we live in middle ages anymore, so hardly necessary either to use horses

when you should be aware they can get startled in chaotic events like riots

What would you suggest they use instead?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the horses are being used by the police there, right


and i don't think we live in middle ages anymore, so hardly necessary either to use horses

when you should be aware they can get startled in chaotic events like riots

The horses are trained to work in crowds Nicky, they are not brought off the fields for the day

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What would you suggest they use instead?

don't they have those shields, among their equipment

more defence for cops then

and the water cannon is already a good one i guess

teargas or pepperspray would also be effective in solving the riot problem quick and easy

but yeah protest work has been done, now it should be up to politicians to step up and say ''we need to debate about how to get rid of racism''

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do wonder if it would be better to leave the statues where they are, just ensure they're accompanied by the full history of the person depicted, including the controversies. You can't erase history unfortunately - but you can ensure that it's recorded accurately and without sentimentality or bias. Churchill was instrumental in defeating the Nazis. He was also a white supremacist and guilty of earlier war crimes. Those are the facts. I feel like one side doesn't like the former and one doesn't like the latter... But they're just historical facts.

I get why people are angry about the statues as they stand though. They very rarely include the bad, and paint people with some dark history as paragons.

I agree with this, just listened to the Mayor of Bristol say the statue will be retrieved and put in a museum so a good compromise I guess, I don't want to walk around cities in the future and find them completely sanitised of all past history good or bad, the pyramids were built on misery for instance, are we suggesting they should be razed to the ground

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the horses are being used by the police there, right


and i don't think we live in middle ages anymore, so hardly necessary either to use horses

when you should be aware they can get startled in chaotic events like riots

I agree.

I think it unwise to use mounted policing in these situations, for both the Police and Horses.

I know people who have been on protest marches and demonstrations, mounted police come across, in my view, as a more intimidating presence.

The Horse panicked, unseated its rider, charged off, then headed back to its stables.
Wise indeed.

Sadly these bits and pieces of the less welcome elements of the protests, will be used by those who don't REALLY support the protests, who'd rather pay a kind of lip service to the just cause of racism.
Such as in media and politically.

Racism in the UK too not just the USA.
Which many would love swept under carpets sadly.

George Floyd's tragic and shocking demise, was a part of the trigger for, injustice and prejudice still prevalent here in the UK as well as elsewhere.

The outrage of a slave trader's statue being destroyed.
Not condemning his vile slave trading history shows a media still even not getting what these protests are really about.

The defacing of statues, while in no way would I do it, that's hardly the crime of the century.

Churchill, right, he was an inspirational leader.
As PM during the war.
He led however a National government, he worked closely with the then opposition leader and party Clement Attlee all through the war.

He wasn't a one man band.
So unquestionably great he was,in 1945, the then voters of the UK turfed him and his party out of office.
Why?
If he had done so much and was so apparently great.

Anyway, I agree, it was unwise to have mounted police there at all.
In fact that may have helped inflame things

Just my own view I'm expressing that I didn't think it appropriate to send mounted policing to that protest.

[Nicky91]

also now to justify their actions, by mentioning george floyd as drugaddict criminal also kinda not getting the point of these protests

it's more about racism in general, not just one person

it is more than about time stopping racism to get debated by politicians, i mean they like debating anyway and this is a very topical important subject to be taken care off

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

also now to justify their actions, by mentioning george floyd as drugaddict criminal also kinda not getting the point of these protests

Floyd was a scumbag, but if any authority figures openly say that, their city will be a pile of ashes within a week That, and it's up to the police to kill unarmed people. It shouldn't have happened. Unless he was actively a physical threat to someone else there's no "justification" for the way it happened.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

also now to justify their actions, by mentioning george floyd as drugaddict criminal also kinda not getting the point of these protests

it's more about racism in general, not just one person

it is more than about time stopping racism to get debated by politicians, i mean they like debating anyway and this is a very topical important subject to be taken care off

Do you think they should debate drugs first, then getting rid of crime and then racism?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you think they should debate drugs first, then getting rid of crime and then racism?

no because racism has the bigger priority, since it has been around for like 400 years now

then crime (when handling criminal underworld you effectively also take on drugs)

also i don't think BLM is the correct movement, i would be more specific in a #SayNoToAllFormofRacism, so against any colour, religion, sexuality (latter would also take on homophobia which is also good if that is stopped)

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no because racism has the bigger priority, since it has been around for like 400 years now

Do you think crime is a recent invention?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no because racism has the bigger priority, since it has been around for like 400 years now

then crime (when handling criminal underworld you effectively also take on drugs)

also i don't think BLM is the correct movement, i would be more specific in a #SayNoToAllFormofRacism, so against any colour, religion, sexuality (latter would also take on homophobia which is also good if that is stopped)

But we are dealing with Covid and Brexit at the moment. What is the Dutch parliament up to, can they not assist in this?

[arista]

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But we are dealing with Covid and Brexit at the moment. What is the Dutch parliament up to, can they not assist in this?

More than one thing is happening at once in the world. Shocker!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Excuse me ? animal abuse is from those throwing fireworks and flares,bricks and bikes at the horses, good deflection though to try and blame the police,imo NO animals should be used for human safety or entertainment,I abhor horse racing, is that animal abuse ? i dont care what side you are on but to blame the police for those horses being hurt is just madness.

Why take a horse to a riot? What reason is there...What can a horse do?
It makes no sense.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the horses are being used by the police there, right


and i don't think we live in middle ages anymore, so hardly necessary either to use horses

when you should be aware they can get startled in chaotic events like riots

IF people had protested peacefully like some wanted to,no horses would have been necessary, so its easy to blame the police , so do you blame the police for the person throwing the brick that broke the horses nose ? do you blame the police for throwing a bike at a horse or for scaring them with fireworks and flares ? The horse that bolted was spooked by a protester so you can try and twist that all you want, If I had my way NO animals would be used in anyway,but that is the way it is at the moment.Animals are used everyday for one thing and another unfortunately.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why take a horse to a riot? What reason is there...What can a horse do?
It makes no sense.

should the cops be on stilts? motorbikes?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

should the cops be on stilts? motorbikes?

I presume they use horses as they can see more of whats going on and can still manouver ,

[Toy Soldier]

I have complicated thoughts on the statue toppling. I think it's reckless in the sense that someone's going to get themselves hurt or killed at some point, but really that's their choice . I also think they should be gone, or as I said earlier, at least altered to reflect the true history (so be kept like museum artifacts - not idols) but then... I also think it would be much more meaningful to successfully campaign and convince those in power to have these things officially, legally removed or altered. A statue being toppled by civilians is a powerful image. An authority being successfully convinced to topple it themselves... is an even bigger statement. And I'd rather it went that way. Take them down, put them in a museum, with the full story. They're not much use to future generations at the bottom of a river, the unintended consequence could end up being that the truth is lost completely rather than set straight.

Of course though, again, I fully understand that civil unrest isn't planned or logical. It just is what it is. You can't complain when a hurricane trashes a historical building... it's just something that happens.