Doctor Who: Series 10 - Discussion Thread [13TH DOCTOR REVEALED]

[BBfanUSA]

Rumor coming out about the Xmas Special ending
The Doctor uploads his consciousness into the database that River was uploaded into in the Library.

This consciousness or whatever can change into his past 13 interations and becomes Smith before switching back to demonstrate .

[Greg!]

Rumor coming out about the Xmas Special ending
The Doctor uploads his consciousness into the database that River was uploaded into in the Library.

This consciousness or whatever can change into his past 13 interations and becomes Smith before switching back to demonstrate .

Mess

[Greg!]

Why is Steven Moffat obsessed with the show's past it's so annoying.

[Morgan.]

Rumor coming out about the Xmas Special ending
The Doctor uploads his consciousness into the database that River was uploaded into in the Library.

This consciousness or whatever can change into his past 13 interations and becomes Smith before switching back to demonstrate .

Idgi

[Greg!]

If the spoiler is true I feel bad for Peter Capaldi because it's just another way his final episode is being overshadowed by Moffat having a fanwank and the general public and most fans won't enjoy/understand what's going on

[Ant.]

Idgi

I feel like Im gonna overexplain or just explain what you already know AND i'm lowkey scared my understanding is wrong but basically:

Did you watch Tennant's era? Specifically, Series 4? Well one of the episodes (well, two, it was a two parter) was set in a massive library. River Song debuted (and died) in this two parter. BUT her consciousness/mind was saved onto the Sonic Screwdriver before being uploaded to the database in the library (I believe the database was created to contain the consciousness of a little girl who died? and the library was built because she loves books? honestly that story was a fever dream). I think this was brought up during Smith's era during Name of the Doctor - I'm pretty sure River's presence was her consciousness from the database - not physically her.

i guess 12 will be still stubborn to go, so instead of 'dying', he uploads his consciousness to the library so him and his past selves can live freely and switch between faces as they so wish, and the consciousness will switch from Capaldi to Smith to demonstrate the fact they can change, as Smith is the only one young enough and cares enough to return

[Morgan.]

I feel like Im gonna overexplain or just explain what you already know AND i'm lowkey scared my understanding is wrong but basically:

Did you watch Tennant's era? Specifically, Series 4? Well one of the episodes (well, two, it was a two parter) was set in a massive library. River Song debuted (and died) in this two parter. BUT her consciousness/mind was saved onto the Sonic Screwdriver before being uploaded to the database in the library (I believe the database was created to contain the consciousness of a little girl who died? and the library was built because she loves books? honestly that story was a fever dream). I think this was brought up during Smith's era during Name of the Doctor - I'm pretty sure River's presence was her consciousness from the database - not physically her.

i guess 12 will be still stubborn to go, so instead of 'dying', he uploads his consciousness to the library so him and his past selves can live freely and switch between faces as they so wish, and the consciousness will switch from Capaldi to Smith to demonstrate the fact they can change, as Smith is the only one young enough and cares enough to return

Right okay. Yeah I watched since Ecclestone, but forgot all the in and out details.

Does this mean we might get Smith back, even if it's just for a few minutes, because he's my fave doctor :cheer2:

[Ant.]

Right okay. Yeah I watched since Ecclestone, but forgot all the in and out details.

Does this mean we might get Smith back, even if it's just for a few minutes, because he's my fave doctor :cheer2:

Ahh yeah tbh series 4 is always one I've got hazy memories on so I getcha!

IF the spoiler is true, yes! It'd be an interesting parallel since the first ep of Capaldi (besides the Christmas special) had a Matt Smith cameo. I think Matt Smith was rumoured to return this year too, but then again I SWEAR he's rumoured to return every Christmas :skull:

[Marsh.]

Why is Steven Moffat obsessed with the show's past it's so annoying.
Not just the past but his past. He can't let anything go.

[Denver]

It has the 5:30pm time slot on Xmas day

[armand.kay]

So I've recently had a rewatch of new who and I've realised that I've given Steven Moffat such a hard time and Russell T Davies run wasn't as perfect as I remember. Like his obsession with Rose was honestly so annoying to re watch and season 2 had some awful episodes. in hindsight Moffat was pretty good like this last series was phenomenal, amy and rory were brilliant companions and the 50th anniversary was great. My only problem with him really were his grand convoluted story arcs and how the companions would always end upping 'special'....

[armand.kay]

also I'm opening up to the idea of the doctor being a woman, I just hope it's not a social justice stunt and it actually works with the story.

[user104658]

So I've recently had a rewatch of new who and I've realised that I've given Steven Moffat such a hard time and Russell T Davies run wasn't as perfect as I remember. Like his obsession with Rose was honestly so annoying to re watch and season 2 had some awful episodes. in hindsight Moffat was pretty good like this last series was phenomenal, amy and rory were brilliant companions and the 50th anniversary was great. My only problem with him really were his grand convoluted story arcs and how the companions would always end upping 'special'....

:clap1: I still say Matt Smith's journey as The Doctor is the best so far, especially if you binge-rewatch it over a week or so and the contrast of the fishfingers and custard guy from his first ep, to the moment he regenerates as Capaldi, is really vivid. He really felt like he had "aged" and changed in that incarnation - and he is supposed to have lived for several hundred years as the Matt Smith incarnation... travelling alone for a lot of it, picking up Amy and Rory intermittently as they also live a normal life (but it's implied that from his perspective he's sometimes been travelling around for decades between visits) and also living out an entire, presumably centuries long, relationship with River Song, and then hundreds of years in the war on Trenzalore.

IMO it's a much more interesting way of doing it than the more "linear" Eccleston / Tennant arc.

[Oliver_W]

also I'm opening up to the idea of the doctor being a woman, I just hope it's not a social justice stunt and it actually works with the story.

It's probably a bit of both - the "SJW" movement is more prevalent now than it was during the other Doctors' casting, so would possibly have more of an influence - HOWEVER that doesn't mean she can't be well-written and give good performances.

[Firewire]

Tell that to the suffragettes

[armand.kay]

It's probably a bit of both - the "SJW" movement is more prevalent now than it was during the other Doctors' casting, so would possibly have more of an influence - HOWEVER that doesn't mean she can't be well-written and give good performances.

Yes thats what I meant but there has been pressure for the doctor to be a woman for a while now and it was ignored with matt smith and Capaldi so I hope this is them thinking that its now the right time rather than them caving in. At least it's not Moffatt writing for the first female doctor because much as he has grown on me his strong, badass woman trope that always seems to fall into just wouldn't work.

[Rob!]

Perched!

[Nicky91]

Yes thats what I meant but there has been pressure for the doctor to be a woman for a while now and it was ignored with matt smith and Capaldi so I hope this is them thinking that its now the right time rather than them caving in. At least it's not Moffatt writing for the first female doctor because much as he has grown on me his strong, badass woman trope that always seems to fall into just wouldn't work.

:umm2: Scarlett Moffatt and badass, why does this sound weird

[Firewire]

It sounds weird because no one mentioned Scarlett Moffatt

[Firewire]

Yas Clara

[Jøsh]

Well he's dead rip

[Jøsh]

And she's dead already

[Ant.]

I already love her

[MB.]

Queen of falling

[Firewire]

What a load of ****e

Excited for Jodie though

[Ant.]

Honestly that episode was a low-key trainwreck but that may be because my family spoke over the telly about how **** everyone else's Christmas dinners looked like so I had no idea what was going on but the last 15 minutes :flutter:

[Rob!]

Omg I fell in love with her there and then.

What a load of rubbish that episode was though. Bye Moffat.

[Firewire]

I expected a proper trip through memory lane knowing Moffat.

The last 10 minutes was fine, the rest was boring af.

[Ant.]

Things I liked about this episode:

Bill appears and owns her gender and sexuality, ICON
rusty reappearing
I swear I heard Doomsday among many other past DW songs. Idk why but I had shivers hearing Doomsday
It was really obvious the Captain would be related to the Brigadier but it was so lovely to hear "Lethbridge Stewart"
the way the regeneration scene was filmed. it just felt... beautiful
Claras back!! all the doctors since 9 have seen all of their long-term (tv show at least) travelling companions before their death (11 didn't see Rory but who Did?) so it was nice that tradition continued
She was on screen for 30 whole seconds but I already love Jodie
"Oh brilliant!" :love:

[MB.]

I quite liked it, other than the fact that there was literally no plot

[Ant.]

Honestly Im usually one to complain about double standards but the people who are complaining about misandry because the first Doctor was sexist to women </3??? Get over ya damn selves

[Pete.]

That was very cute I’m not feeling the negativity

[Marsh.]

THANK ****ING CHRIST MOFFAT HAS GONE!!!! DON'T COME BLOODY BACK!!!

Peter Capaldi, he's been wonderful throughout despite being let down by some dud scripts.

Jodie is already a legend. :love:

[armand.kay]

:umm2: Scarlett Moffatt and badass, why does this sound weird

Because I'm not talking about Scarlett lol.

[Sticks]

Even the Tardis has rejected the idea of the doctor not being a man

[armand.kay]

What I don't understand about this why were they so insistent on the the first doctor being sexist? The doctor is meant to be an alien who can time travel why, WHY would he be so stuck in this 1960s mentality. Also I've watched the classic series and of the few William Hartnell serials that survived I don't think I at all remember him asking any of his companions to do the dusting lol.

[Marsh.]

Props to Chibnall though. The regeneration "reveal" was quite good in that it didn't tread old ground.

Eccleston/Tennant/Smith/Capaldi all had pretty similar ones with mentioning random body parts. This just got straight into it.

I wonder if episode 1 of series 11 concerns searching for the Tardis which gets lost?

[Marsh.]

Even the Tardis has rejected the idea of the doctor not being a man

Are you really still beating this misogynistic drum?

[Firewire]

Even the Tardis has rejected the idea of the doctor not being a man

GET THE **** OUTTA HERE

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/celebrity-big-brother-2014-leslie-jordan-and-angelique-morgan.png?w=620&h=341&crop=1

[Firewire]

Props to Chibnall though. The regeneration "reveal" was quite good in that it didn't tread old ground.

Eccleston/Tennant/Smith/Capaldi all had pretty similar ones with mentioning random body parts. This just got straight into it.

I wonder if episode 1 of series 11 concerns searching for the Tardis which gets lost?

NOT a TARDIS whereisit storyline to be revealed in the finale

[Marsh.]

The Tardis rejected Matt Smith too and hurtled to earth hoping to kill him but we were still stuck with it for 4 years.

[Greg!]

That episode was a complete mess but I enjoyed it. Love Jodie!!!

[Firewire]

The Matt Smith spoilers a few pages back were all LIES.

[Greg!]

aaaahhh thank **** Moffat is gone though :love:

[Marsh.]

aaaahhh thank **** Moffat is gone though :love:

No more episodes with people standing around and discussing the mechanics of a plot the audience hasn't even been provided with. :love:

[AProducer'sWetDream]

The episode was a shambles right until the regeneration and Capaldi's speech :love: If only he'd gone out in The Doctor Falls instead. Can't wait for Jodie and the new writer(s). I struggle to dislike Moffat- he's a very mixed bag but there have been more high points than low points for me.

[armand.kay]

Why would Moffat choose this has his last episode lol. He is a capable sometimes brilliant writer why would he leave the doctor who audience with this lmaoo.

Also gonna miss Peter not sure if he was my fave doctor but with Tennant and Matt Smith I felt that it was their time to go and was excited to see how the replacement fairs but I feel like peter had more to offer. Looking forward to see what they do with Jodie though.

[Marsh.]

Why would Moffat choose this has his last episode lol. He is a capable sometimes brilliant writer why would he leave the doctor who audience with this lmaoo.

Also gonna miss Peter not sure if he was my fave doctor but with Tennant and Matt Smith I felt that it was their time to go and was excited to see how the replacement fairs but I feel like peter had more to offer. Looking forward to see what they do with Jodie though.

Yeah, I do think Capaldi started to hit his stride more in series 10 but I think a lot of that is to do with Bill.

For 2 series, he was basically lumbered with Matt Smith's leftovers.

The university professor angle really suited him.

[Firewire]

8 and 9 were all about Clara, the Doctor was the co-star.

He came into his own in 10. I think had Moffat made a series in 2015, with 2016's being series 11, I think we'd better understand Capaldi's Doctor a lot more. It would also been great to have Bill for two full series.

[Ashley.]

That was painful to watch.

[Rob!]

Even the Tardis has rejected the idea of the doctor not being a man

Ffs :joker:

[Scarlett.]

What an odd episode, last ten minutes or so were good though!

[Ant.]

The Tardis rejected Matt Smith too and hurtled to earth hoping to kill him but we were still stuck with it for 4 years.

:joker:

[Tom4784]

I liked it, I thought the first half was a bit boring but it redeemed itself in the last half. The story was nothing more than an excuse to facilitate the crossover of the doctors and that crossover wasn't that great but it all came together in the end, I thought.

What I don't understand about this why were they so insistent on the the first doctor being sexist? The doctor is meant to be an alien who can time travel why, WHY would he be so stuck in this 1960s mentality. Also I've watched the classic series and of the few William Hartnell serials that survived I don't think I at all remember him asking any of his companions to do the dusting lol.

Yeah, I thought this was strange and it didn't make much sense especially given what we know of Gallifrey, you wouldn't think sexism would be a thing on a planet when anyone could end up switching genders.

[armand.kay]

Yeah, I thought this was strange and it didn't make much sense especially given what we know of Gallifrey, you wouldn't think sexism would be a thing on a planet when anyone could end up switching genders.

great point lol I didn't even think of that... also I'm not normally bothered by things like this but the whole "haha he's sexist but its funny so you've got to love him" thing didn't really sit right with me

[Marsh.]

I thought it was silly to mix the episode footage with original clips as it just highlighted the recast and made everything seem fake.

They should've just got on with it.

[Glenn.]

Good episode I thought. Full of nice moments.

I was a bit wary of how I would actually feel when Jodie appeared but oh my god :love:

Cannot wait for the new series

[Glenn.]

I also loved how Steven Moffat put another spin on the Daleks. Those creepy crawling mutants are a story all on their own

[Ant.]

I liked it, I thought the first half was a bit boring but it redeemed itself in the last half. The story was nothing more than an excuse to facilitate the crossover of the doctors and that crossover wasn't that great but it all came together in the end, I thought.



Yeah, I thought this was strange and it didn't make much sense especially given what we know of Gallifrey, you wouldn't think sexism would be a thing on a planet when anyone could end up switching genders.

The Doctor looked down at humans for "gender norms" and whatnot in the episode (or 2 episodes before) this one, so they must've either became VERY tolerant after the 1st Doctor or just needed someone to contrast the sexism and lead up to the female Doctor??

[Scarlett.]

I didn't mind Moffat overall, he had good and bad episodes, but I'm glad we're moving into a new era again.

[Saph]

how did bills story end?

[Sticks]

Are you really still beating this misogynistic drum?

I tend to find that most of the people I know saying the Doctor Who has been ruined and they will not watch it, because the Doctor should be a man, always, are women. Are women misogynistic?

One female I know even posted on facebook, this morning they will not be watching until Jodi leaves.

This has been a politically correct decision according to some which has wrecked the show.

[Oliver_W]

I feel like Moffat has never watched an episode of the First Doctor, because he was never like the sexist portrayal of this episode. At worst he called his female companions "my child" or similar, but he called his male ones "dear boy/my boy", and didn't even bother to learn Chesterton's name!

how did bills story end?
The real Bill is still presumably travelling the universe with her puddle girlfriend, the Bill we saw here was a copy rather than a continuation of the original Bill.

[Oliver_W]

I can't remember if I've already posted this, but I'll be really sad to see Capaldi go - Tennant's Farewell Parade of Death made me hate him so much I couldn't watch him again for ages, but before that I'd have been happy for him to stay; I really liked Matt Smith in the role but I kind of felt like his story was "finished"; but Capaldi has so much more potential, he's probably the best actor to fill the role, and I'd like to have seen him under a better showrunner than Moffat.

[Saph]

on a side note, did anyone watch the vicar of dibley xmas special the other night, I never realized Capaldi was the "will you marry me" guy :joker: I must've seen that 100 times

[Marsh.]

I tend to find that most of the people I know saying the Doctor Who has been ruined and they will not watch it, because the Doctor should be a man, always, are women. Are women misogynistic?

One female I know even posted on facebook, this morning they will not be watching until Jodi leaves.

This has been a politically correct decision according to some which has wrecked the show.
Well nobody can say the show is wrecked as we haven't actually seen it in action yet.

And, yes, women can be misogynistic.

[Tom4784]

I tend to find that most of the people I know saying the Doctor Who has been ruined and they will not watch it, because the Doctor should be a man, always, are women. Are women misogynistic?

One female I know even posted on facebook, this morning they will not be watching until Jodi leaves.

This has been a politically correct decision according to some which has wrecked the show.

Oh? Have you watched the new series then? If not then how can you say it's ruined?

[Sticks]

Oh? Have you watched the new series then? If not then how can you say it's ruined?

It is the females I am quoting who say it is ruined, I am merely reporting what is being said.

[Firewire]

Do you work for a newspaper?

[Ashley.]

You haven't quoted anyone. All you've said is "females have said this too", which is a dire, overused way of trying to justify why you're allowed to say misogynistic things.

[Sticks]

One is someone from church, who until this announcement was a dedicated fan, another was someone I used to work with, who posted on Facebook.

They are real people, I am not making them up

These are at least two females, one would have expected to be more accommodating, who believed that The Doctor should not be of their gender. The rule I have heard once is for every person who voices a complaint there are quite a lot more who agree, but have kept stum

The only opinion I voiced is the question have the producers miscalculated given that some females have criticised this. Did they not realise they might have alienated a core group of female fans with this decision, which critics said was driven by political correctness.

I have already said I will tune in to see how it works out, where as my female friends point blankly refuse to do even that.

[Marsh.]

It is the females I am quoting who say it is ruined, I am merely reporting what is being said.
By who? :joker:

Repeating that it's being said by women doesn't mean it's not sexist rubbish. [emoji23]

[MB.]

"It is the females I am quoting" is definitely a sentence that someone who's ever spoken to a woman in his life would say, I agree

[Ant.]

I tend to find that most of the people I know saying the Doctor Who has been ruined and they will not watch it, because the Doctor should be a man, always, are women. Are women misogynistic?

One female I know even posted on facebook, this morning they will not be watching until Jodi leaves.

This has been a politically correct decision according to some which has wrecked the show.

You should really find better arguments than "most people disagreeing are women" to support this argument. Good for that woman who won't watch until Jodie leaves! I'm sure Chibnall is quaking at having one less viewer.
As Marsh said, yes, women can be misogynistic.

Say it's different and it's new and it'll take time to get used to sure, but to agree with the statement "the Doctor should be a man" is ridiculous.

Remember Sydney Newman?? Well he wanted the Doctor to regenerate into a woman (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/doctor-who/8052694/How-Doctor-Who-nearly-became-the-Time-Lady.html) (and references that the public theorised on actresses to play the Doctor - showing people were willing for such a simple yet seemingly drastic change even back then). For over three decades, the concept of having a female Doctor has been in the air, and I'm sure there was a female Doctor in that Comic Relief special with Rowan Atkinson. The aforementioned source mentions even Russel T Davies has expressed interest in a female Doctor, and I'm certain the 11th Doctor checked for an Adam's apple to confirm that he's still a male and not a woman.
Ever since Moffatt took over, he's established that Time Lords can change genders: referencing how the Corsair changed gender in the Doctor's Wife (which was 2011 I imagine??), the General in Hell Bent, and of course, Missy, who was absolutely amazing and one of the best incarnations of the Master, in my opinion.

In short: The idea of a female Doctor has been in the air since at least pre-Sylvester McCoy (Over 30 years - over half the series' running time of 54 years), a lot of the showrunners and writers (Sydney Newman, Russel T Davies, Steven Moffatt, and of course, Chris Chibnall), many of which have been regarded as highly respected and talented (and know a lot more about the lore of Doctor Who than the general public/average viewer/seemingly you since you're under some belief that the Doctor 'has to be a man') are all in favour of a female Doctor, and it has been established that Time Lords can change sex in-show for at least seven years (I'm unsure about other media and I know the Comic Relief special is non-canonical but the idea was toyed with even back then in 1999), so really, there's nothing to say the Doctor can't be a woman. And if your only argument is Bertha the Tesco Worker being a woman and against the idea, then I'm sorry but she's not really a credible source!

The Doctor's character and characteristics have never been defined by him being a man, so the Doctor being a woman won't change that.

[Firewire]

Wig.

[Ant.]

The Doctor becoming a female is just a pathetic act that Chris Chibnall chose because of the horrific and stupid political correctness of today.

The amount of stuff said such as women's versions of certain films like the Ghostbusters film. There wasn't any need for it.
Women saying they'd like to play James Bond. Why? It's a male like the Doctor.

It's all pathetic nonsense and one argument is that there aren't enough female role models.
If people open their eyes and look, they'll find plenty of female role models.

What's so politically correct about a man turning into a woman.... :conf:

[MB.]

I'd like all the men in BBUK-Fan's sig to turn into women

[Ant.]

It's not part of the character.

... How? What part of the Doctor has been about him being a 'man' in terms of character and personality?

[Ant.]

And I'd like you to piss off

Typical Shaun Williamson stan :rolleyes:

[MB.]

It's not part of the character.

By that logic, regeneration itself isn't part of the character, as it was only written in when William Hartnell got too old and couldn't be arsed to carry on

Similarly, the seventh Doctor couldn't possibly have had a Scottish accent, because up to that point the Doctor had an English accent. It's just not part of the character!

[Ant.]

How long have you watched the show?

Over ten years. Answer my question

[Ant.]

The typical resorting to personal things now. Had to get personal didn't you :nono:

Report meh, Report meh!
Not even going to go into how you just attacked MB nor how you've attacked other forum members
https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/140/photos/48000/Ellie-Young-1033048.jpg

[Ant.]

Don't tell me what to do. I don't understand what your question is because I don't speak bull****

But you said "The Doctor becoming a female is just a pathetic act that Chris Chibnall chose because of the horrific and stupid political correctness of today." :conf: you clearly speak bull**** babes :rolleyes:

[MB.]

Not really. The Doctor has been a male since the show began and if you thought back 10 or maybe earlier than that, people wouldn't speculate the Doctor to become a female. It's only because in present day of politics like correctness that the Doctor became a female. Chris Chibnall made the decision but if it was 10 years ago or earlier, I can say he wouldn't have made that decision

That's a lengthy way of saying you didn't read the bit where Lilbro posted that Sydney Newman wanted a woman in the role in the 1980s

[Ant.]

Not really. The Doctor has been a male since the show began and if you thought back 10 or maybe earlier than that, people wouldn't speculate the Doctor to become a female. It's only because in present day of politics like correctness that the Doctor became a female. Chris Chibnall made the decision but if it was 10 years ago or earlier, I can say he wouldn't have made that decision

... Except the source I linked to states that people theorised on the next Doctor being a woman and even thought of viable actresses - and not just the general public, but 'father of Doctor Who' himself, Sydney Newman. So yes, 'earlier' people would have speculated the idea.

[Ant.]

That's a lengthy way of saying you didn't read the bit where Lilbro posted that Sydney Newman wanted a woman in the role in the 1980s

:joker:

[Sticks]

The Doctor becoming a female is just a pathetic act that Chris Chibnall chose because of the horrific and stupid political correctness of today.

The amount of stuff said such as women's versions of certain films like the Ghostbusters film. There wasn't any need for it.
Women saying they'd like to play James Bond. Why? It's a male like the Doctor.

It's all pathetic nonsense and one argument is that there aren't enough female role models.
If people open their eyes and look, they'll find plenty of female role models.

And so a third female steps forward in addition to the two I reference. It is privacy and related issues I can not discuss in an open forum that prevent me from identifying the two females I was quoting. (One of whom I did not expect to have such a view)

I am pointing out, it was not just certain male fans objecting to this, but female fans as well, who were most vociferous and vowed never to watch Doctor Who ever again.

With such a negative reaction has the new guy at the top made an error of judgement for the sake of what is seen as being political correctness and alienated a sizeable part of the fan base.

I have said I will look in on it, if I were part of the ranks I quote, I would not be even doing that.

[Ant.]

And so a third female steps forward in addition to the two I reference. It is privacy and related issues I can not discuss in an open forum that prevent me from identifying the two females I was quoting. (One of whom I did not expect to have such a view)

I am pointing out, it was not just certain male fans objecting to this, but female fans as well, who were most vociferous and vowed never to watch Doctor Who ever again.

With such a negative reaction has the new guy at the top made an error of judgement for the sake of what is seen as being political correctness and alienated a sizeable part of the fan base.

I have said I will look in on it, if I were part of the ranks I quote, I would not be even doing that.

I'm very confused by this entire comment but if you're under the illusion James is the '3rd woman', I'm afraid to tell you he's a dude.
The most recent Doctor Who episode was watched by 5.7 million people in the UK - I don't know if that counts the ones who watched on Catchup or iPlayer, but it certainly doesn't count the massive fanbase in America.

Anyway, since the only statistic you've gave me are three women who vow to not watch the show again, and I have the average 5,700,000 viewers of the Christmas special (arguably a good reflection of the audience, I'd imagine, since this is the first episode since the 13th Doctor reveal), then Doctor Who is about to lose 0.00005263157685% of its viewers - which is, ironically, the cumulative percentage of ****s the Doctor Who fanbase give about the Doctor being a woman.

Until you can find a viable source that suggests a 'sizeable' amount of people have been alienated by a choice that fits canon and Newman's wishes over three decades ago, I'm led to believe that your argument is baseless.

When have people complained that they would jump ship and stop watching Doctor Who due to a change of Doctor in a similar scenario to this? The 11th Doctor's regeneration comes to mind. Did people jump ship when the Doctor was no longer the youthful, 'attractive' type (when Smith changed to Capaldi)? Evidently, no. (http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/ratings.html) Excluding the specials (because if you look down the episodes, the specials ALWAYS rank a lot higher), series 8, which starred Capaldi, had a higher average ratings (7.26 million), than series 7, which starred Smith (6.94 million). These numbers of course exclude the specials as they're drastically more viewed.
This shows that, even when a lot of people seem to state they'll jump ship, they don't. What's the explanation for the increase then? No idea, maybe the people who were close minded to not accept an older doctor than usual (well, in this time of Doctor Who) tuned in to the first episode and realised Capaldi is an amazing actor and didn't affect the character of the Doctor despite being different to what they're used to, so they stuck. Who knows though.

So if history is to repeat, I imagine the viewing figures will only increase, because people will get over their stupid idea that the Doctor has to be a man by realising Jodie Whittaker is a fabulous actress who will do the Doctor justice by playing them for what they are. Plus I'd imagine Broadchurch fans will join in on the fun, and people who disliked Moffatt so much they stopped watching Doctor Who, and the five people who stopped watching because of Capaldi will no doubt give Series 11 a chance.

[Ashley.]

The James Bond comparisons are frankly hilarious.

[LukeB]

The James Bond comparisons are frankly hilarious.

and stupid! and i really don't get how you can compare them since it's not the same :s bond is a male and correct me if i'm wrong he is identified as a male where the Doctor isn't even human, they are an alien with no actual gender. The doctor can be any gender and any colour etc

[Sticks]

There was a statistic that for every letter published supporting a specific argument, there are quite a lot more who feel the same way, but remain silent. Am not sure the precise number, maybe 5000,so the number of women objecting could be higher than what is seen.

Again the observation is that a chunk of those objecting to this move have been women, which is counter intuitive to what you expect from this age of equal rights.

[Firewire]

Get over it

[Ant.]

There was a statistic that for every letter published supporting a specific argument, there are quite a lot more who feel the same way, but remain silent. Am not sure the precise number, maybe 5000,so the number of women objecting could be higher than what is seen.

Again the observation is that a chunk of those objecting to this move have been women, which is counter intuitive to what you expect from this age of equal rights.

So your counter argument is "5,000 women (sourceless) are against it" :umm2:

[Marsh.]

The Doctor becoming a female is just a pathetic act that Chris Chibnall chose because of the horrific and stupid political correctness of today.

The amount of stuff said such as women's versions of certain films like the Ghostbusters film. There wasn't any need for it.
Women saying they'd like to play James Bond. Why? It's a male like the Doctor.

It's all pathetic nonsense and one argument is that there aren't enough female role models.
If people open their eyes and look, they'll find plenty of female role models.
If people open their eyes and look they'd see the obvious difference between a human character who is supposed to be the same (James Bond) and an alien whose body completely physically transforms into a completely new one.

Everytime I see the James Bond comparison it makes me laugh.

[Marsh.]

The typical resorting to personal things now. Had to get personal didn't you :nono:
You told him to piss off. You made it personal first. :shrug:

[Marsh.]

Not really. The Doctor has been a male since the show began and if you thought back 10 or maybe earlier than that, people wouldn't speculate the Doctor to become a female. It's only because in present day of politics like correctness that the Doctor became a female. Chris Chibnall made the decision but if it was 10 years ago or earlier, I can say he wouldn't have made that decision
Actually people speculated over the possibility of the Doctor being a woman since he first regenerated.

[Scarlett.]

I'm glad the Doctor is a female because

A) It will be interesting to see
B) It shakes up the companion dynamic
C) It was time for something different
D) Missy was a great Master and proof that a female version of a male timelord could work

[Scarlett.]

Not really. The Doctor has been a male since the show began and if you thought back 10 or maybe earlier than that, people wouldn't speculate the Doctor to become a female. It's only because in present day of politics like correctness that the Doctor became a female. Chris Chibnall made the decision but if it was 10 years ago or earlier, I can say he wouldn't have made that decision

We just pretending this didn't happen in the 80s?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFJaCXNXgAA2y9G.jpg

[Marsh.]

There was a statistic that for every letter published supporting a specific argument, there are quite a lot more who feel the same way, but remain silent. Am not sure the precise number, maybe 5000,so the number of women objecting could be higher than what is seen.

Again the observation is that a chunk of those objecting to this move have been women, which is counter intuitive to what you expect from this age of equal rights.

I don't follow, you're saying women disagreeing with this move somehow makes it more valid? What a load of nonsense.

[Sticks]

I don't follow, you're saying women disagreeing with this move somehow makes it more valid? What a load of nonsense.

Am merely saying that some of those objecting are women and at least two of those I know personally were quite vociferous in their objection and have declared that they will no longer watch it, prompting the question is where is their sisterhood? I would have expected this of male fans but objections from women?

Is this related to the phenomenon observed in Big Brother eviction voting where women hate women and will vote to eject the brazen hussy to save the gorgeous hunk.

The other questions are given that some of the objectors are women, did the new guy make an error as he has alienated a certain part of the audience and ratings will suffer.

How many would have said "right I'm giving up on this" if they had decided to recruit a male actor and continue the tradition of the Doctor being a man?

I have already stated, unlike the two women I know personally I will tune in to see how this pans out

[Oliver_W]

I don't care which of the two genders has replaced Capaldi, it's just a shame he left :( I wish he was staying fooreeeverr, it'd be cool to see him under a different showrunner <3

[Marsh.]

951399834908549120

[Sticks]

Is her neck really that long?

[Marsh.]

Yes it's a woman and her body is an alien form. Yawn.

[armand.kay]

I mean she has a neck and not everyone can say they do

[Sticks]

Yes it's a woman and her body is an alien form. Yawn.

I was thinking more of Alice in Wonderland or Alice through the Looking Glass rather than Alien. :nono:

It looked like the illustrator, as this is not a photo, had exaggerated the size of her neck.

This is a photo of Jodi
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/976x549_b/p01kn026.jpg

Compare with the illustration, does the neck look exaggerated in the illustration? :shrug:

To me in the illustration it looks like her neck is just as tall as the size of her head from jaw line to crown.

[Marsh.]

It's not an illustration and she's lifting her head upwards which stretches the neck.

[Glenn.]

Why are you talking about her neck? :umm2:

[Marsh.]

It's not a masculine neck! :fist:

[Oliver_W]

951399834908549120

Well, her awful costume looks better under a jacket than without...

[Marsh.]

Yawn.

A jacket was always part of the costume.

[Oliver_W]

Dat's wight wabbit. It just looks better from that angle, when the jacket covers more of it.

[Sticks]

It's not an illustration and she's lifting her head upwards which stretches the neck.

It is a graphic drawing, not a photograph.

The kind of artwork you get in high end graphic novels

[Marsh.]

Are you round the bend?

It's a promo photo of Jodie Whitakker. It might be airbrushed and have countless effects but a photo it is nonetheless.

[MB.]

It can't be a photo, women don't have necks!!!

(and I know this because I know lots of females without necks who agree with me!!!)

[Sticks]

If you compare that with this

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/976x549_b/p01kn026.jpg

A real photograph

That promotional picture looks like the work of a graphical artist.

Compare neck lengths of the promotional picture with that of the photograph.

The one on the photograph is shorter.

[Marsh.]

As I said, it's a photoshopped promotional image, that is a candid profile picture.

It's not shorter at all, it's a completely different angle and she's holding her head down, not stretching it upwards.

Go away now.

[Ashley.]

It can't be a photo, women don't have necks!!!

(and I know this because I know lots of females without necks who agree with me!!!)

:laugh2:

[Oliver_W]

If you compare that with this

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/976x549_b/p01kn026.jpg

A real photograph

That promotional picture looks like the work of a graphical artist.

Compare neck lengths of the promotional picture with that of the photograph.

The one on the photograph is shorter.

That promo photograph has a pawprint on her face. As it's "real photograph" that must mean they covered it up for the Dr Who shoot, right?

[Sticks]

That picture was from a Children In Need photo shoot, so they added the paw print on.

How about this photograph,
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/actress-jodie-whittaker-poses-for-a-portrait-shoot-in-london-for-picture-id77946174

The Getty Images logo is nowhere near her head.

He neck is still shorter here than in the DW promotional picture, which is a graphical illustration by a graphic artist and not a true photograph

In the DW picture her neck from shoulder to earlobe distance is equal to the height of her head. Shoulder to earlobe does not change if she is looking up or down.

In this other photograph, her neck is much shorter than the height of her head.

[Morgan.]

That picture was from a Children In Need photo shoot, so they added the paw print on.

How about this photograph,
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/actress-jodie-whittaker-poses-for-a-portrait-shoot-in-london-for-picture-id77946174

The Getty Images logo is nowhere near her head.

He neck is still shorter here than in the DW promotional picture, which is a graphical illustration by a graphic artist and not a true photograph

In the DW picture her neck from shoulder to earlobe distance is equal to the height of her head. Shoulder to earlobe does not change if she is looking up or down.

In this other photograph, her neck is much shorter than the height of her head.

But the point is that the DW photo isn't a graphical drawing - it's just been photoshopped slightly. The photo was taken and they've edited it slightly to make her look more like the role she's playing. It's been said 100 times already so just accept it :joker:

[MB.]

Imagine being that butthurt about a woman playing the Doctor that you analyse the distance between her shoulder and her earlobe though

[Sticks]

Imagine being that butthurt about a woman playing the Doctor that you analyse the distance between her shoulder and her earlobe though

Only to show that the promotional image is not a photograph, but the work of a skilled graphical artist.

It is nothing to do with the merits of s female DW.

If you look at the hair in the photos I found and compare to the promotional image, you will see more lines from hair in the photographs than in the promotional image. Also the promotional image does not have the wispy bits of hair you see in both of the photographs.

[Oliver_W]

Why are you even obsessing over her neck? Even if they did digitally stretch the neck, or even if it is a piece of artwork, or even if they did put her head onto another body ... so what?

I think she was just pulling her neck in tbh in the other photos..

[Sticks]

Why are you even obsessing over her neck? Even if they did digitally stretch the neck, or even if it is a piece of artwork, or even if they did put her head onto another body ... so what?

It was an initial reaction to the veracity of how a graphical artist had portrayed Jodie.

The rest of the time I have been trying to show that the promotional picture IS NOT a photograph, it is a piece of graphical artwork. (Again nothing to do with the merits of whether DW can be a woman)

I think she was just pulling her neck in tbh in the other photos..

Pray tell us, why would she, especially in the second photograph? Hardly looks like she is hunching, which is what you need to do to pull your neck in.

Why is it so hard to believe that for a promotional picture they use a graphical artist rather than a photographer. I have seen graphical artworks and photographs, to me this was obviously the former, and for some reason the artist exaggerated the length of the neck, for reasons unknown.

[Marsh.]

That picture was from a Children In Need photo shoot, so they added the paw print on.

How about this photograph,
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/actress-jodie-whittaker-poses-for-a-portrait-shoot-in-london-for-picture-id77946174

The Getty Images logo is nowhere near her head.

He neck is still shorter here than in the DW promotional picture, which is a graphical illustration by a graphic artist and not a true photograph

In the DW picture her neck from shoulder to earlobe distance is equal to the height of her head. Shoulder to earlobe does not change if she is looking up or down.

In this other photograph, her neck is much shorter than the height of her head.
By the same token the photo you provide is heavily photoshopped so not a true photograph.

[Marsh.]

Only to show that the promotional image is not a photograph, but the work of a skilled graphical artist.

It is nothing to do with the merits of s female DW.

If you look at the hair in the photos I found and compare to the promotional image, you will see more lines from hair in the photographs than in the promotional image. Also the promotional image does not have the wispy bits of hair you see in both of the photographs.
Wispy bits of hair?

Wispy bits of hair????


WISPY BITS OF ****ING HAIR??????

[Ant.]

So... even if Jodie doesn't have a neck... what's your point @Sticks?

[Sticks]

So... even if Jodie doesn't have a neck... what's your point @Sticks?
The promotional picture is graphical art not a photograph and the artist exaggerated the size of the neck for undisclosed reasons

[Scarlett.]

:shrug:

[Rob!]

So this thread appears to have gone off the rails slightly

[Oliver_W]

So this thread appears to have gone off the rails slightly

Heh, until further info comes to light, there's little else about the show to discuss!

GallifreyBase seems to think a new logo will be released soon...

[Lostie!]

GallifreyBase seems to think a new logo will be released soon...

I hope it's just a really long neck

[Rob!]

Not the new time vortex to be on the inside of a giraffe?

[Marsh.]

Can people stop posting graphic drawings in MTM's please.

[Oliver_W]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180114/95b1321cd213d25ebb268b4d919a0154.jpg
The Doctor with Detective Bradley Walsh!

[Marsh.]

Nawt New New York

[Marsh.]

I think now's the time for a new thread.

New series, New doc, new show runner, new year, new thread. :love:

[Oliver_W]

I think now's the time for a new thread.

New series, New doc, new show runner, new year, new thread. :love:

Here for it!!

[Calderyon]

Finally started watching a few weeks ago, currently on season 4.

Such a great TV Show, definitely top 3/4 Scifi Series and possibly top 5 tv shows ever for me.

Can´t get enough of it.

[Oliver_W]

Finally started watching a few weeks ago, currently on season 4.

Such a great TV Show, definitely top 3/4 Scifi Series and possibly top 5 tv shows ever for me.

Can´t get enough of it.

How much do you know about what's upcoming for you?

[Calderyon]

I have been spoiled some of the general things of what´s going to happen (like the doctor turning into a woman), but i don´t know the details. And i don´t want to know until i have watched every single episode of this.

[Rob!]

You have till autumn to get caught up! Welcome to the club :clap1:

What did you think of Blink? :love:

[Calderyon]

You have till autumn to get caught up! Welcome to the club :clap1:

What did you think of Blink? :love:

Very nice episode, but i really hoped that it would have been a two parter tbh. Or more aptly the episode to be longer, like 75 or 90 minutes.

And more time spent on the mansion, maybe. Also maybe have the video rental guy? killed by the Weeping Angels (like they teased) and have only Sally survive.

I definitely can see why it won all those awards.

[Calderyon]

Not gonna lie though i really liked the Master´s episodes. Although i personally would have kept Derek Jacobi a little longer as The Master.

Even though John Simms does a good job with the character. And the regeneration was stellar.

[Denver]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVSnJ9mW4AA0jcI.jpg

Billie Piper has sent fans into meltdown over a possible return

[Calderyon]

Watched End of time Part 2 about an hour ago.

Sigh. Sad.

"I don´t want to go"

Well i don´t want you to go. Gdi. So please don´t go. Please.

Sigh.

Will continue watching tomorrow, i guess. Matt Smith better bring it.

[Calderyon]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVSnJ9mW4AA0jcI.jpg

Billie Piper has sent fans into meltdown over a possible return

YES!!!!! Please! :cheer2:

[Morgan.]

Watched End of time Part 2 about an hour ago.

Sigh. Sad.

"I don´t want to go"

Well i don´t want you to go. Gdi. So please don´t go. Please.

Sigh.

Will continue watching tomorrow, i guess. Matt Smith better bring it.

Matt Smith is my favourite of the doctors, he gets better as the series' go on. He has a great mix of companions too. It's Peter Capaldi, who's after Matt Smith, that doesn't do it justice imo.

[Calderyon]

^ I´ve heard that actually. Just annoyed and sad, cause i really liked Tennant and i really didn´t think i would after Christopher Eccleston, who i also liked and who i think went too soon.

I will give Mr. Smith a chance though as i´ve heard that on his season things get very interesting.

On the plus side, i have a new favorite actor to add into the mix.

[Calderyon]

Was awry at first about Matt Smith tbh (like i was when Tennant became the Doctor), but he has really impressed me tbh and i´m liking him.

[Marsh.]

There's nothing wrong with Peter Capaldi as the doctor.

If anything I think he suited the role far more than Tennant or Smith did.

He was just cast at a bad time when the writing was scraping the barrel.

[Rob!]

Capaldi is actually my favourite doctor :worry:

[user104658]

Was awry at first about Matt Smith tbh (like i was when Tennant became the Doctor), but he has really impressed me tbh and i´m liking him.

I hated Smith for the first couple of episodes but, as above, he improves a lot over time and is (thus far) my favourite Doctor :shrug:. I don't really rate Tennant tbh. I mean I didn't mind him really, but Smith > Capaldi > Tennant for me.

[Marsh.]

I can't appreciate Smith's performance as much as it deserves because I detest the majority of the stories in his era. :joker:

Apart from the odd corker, a few in series 5, Angels in Manhattan, the Day of the Moon two parter etc.

[Morgan.]

Smith >> Tennant >>>>>Ecclestone> Capaldi

[Marsh.]

Well, that's us told. :idc:

[Ant.]

That's the ugliest opinion I've ever seen sorry Morgan :worry:

[Scarlett.]

Smith >> Tennant >>>>>Ecclestone> Capaldi

https://media.giphy.com/media/ac7MA7r5IMYda/giphy.gif

[Calderyon]

Wa Woo Wie!

I forgot how cute (and hot/sexy now that she is of age) Jenna Coleman looks like.

[Calderyon]

And although Amy and Rory are fine (well much more Amy than Rory, even though i can somehow relate to Rory more), they should have gone a bit sooner than this tbh.

[Greg!]

There's a new fookin thread!! http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=335907&highlight=

[Marsh.]

There's a new fookin thread!! http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=335907&highlight=

He's discussing his first watch of the first 10 series. LET HIM LIVE!!!

[Greg!]

He's discussing his first watch of the first 10 series. LET HIM LIVE!!!

Me caring!!!

[Rob!]

There's no point in him posting in a thread for series 11 onwards if he's not caught up yet you silly girl!!!

[Calderyon]

I´m little awry/uneasy about Peter Capaldi, given on how much criticism people have of him everywhere.

Especially now that i have grown very fond on Matt Smith, who i was suspicious of at the start. But then again it was the same suspiciousness when Eccleston -> Tennant, so maybe it will work all out in the end.

Btw was very happy and kind of unreal to see Ben Browder again. I just wished he was on a bit longer. And didn´t die. But it was just a one time gig so it´s understandable.

Also River Songs casting -> Well done. :clap1:

[user104658]

I´m little awry/uneasy about Peter Capaldi, given on how much criticism people have of him everywhere.

Especially now that i have grown very fond on Matt Smith, who i was suspicious of at the start.

I missed Smith but tbf I did grow to like Capaldi :shrug:. I didn't like him in his first episode and I wasn't sure for the first three or four... but after that he made a decent doctor (and a good logical next step from Smith's storyline).

To be more specific... he's a more sort of blunt / jaded / slightly angry / "weary" seeming Doctor, at least at first... which makes a lot of sense given Smith's final storylines.

[Calderyon]

Just finished Time of the Doctor.

Sad right now. :(

[Calderyon]

Will take a break tonight and continue watching tomorrow. It´s odd and funny how emotional this series makes you.

What a splendid, remarkable, magnificent, incredible, unbelievable great awesomeness this show is.

Also thank you Matt Smith, you were great. I was skeptical about you first, but you certainly delivered :clap1:

Next it´s Mr. Capaldi.

[Greg!]

Capaldi is really underrated! Some of the writing is a bit **** though especially in seasons 9 and 10

[Calderyon]

Finished watching about 2 days ago on Saturday.

[Calderyon]

Going to start watching the Classic ones now, starting from the beginning.

[Ashley.]

3 was my favourite... :lovedup:

[Calderyon]

3 was my favourite... :lovedup:

Doctor Who 2005 - Series 3?

[Ashley.]

Doctor Who 2005 - Series 3?

Jon Pertwee

[Calderyon]

It is going to take me a while to get there.

[Calderyon]

I wish Derek Jacobi would have stayed as the Master for a while. :(

Even that short stint as him was pure epicness.

[Greg!]

Cald what were your thoughts on Bill. I found her quite annoying at first but I grew to like her

[Calderyon]

She is okay in the end. My least favorite companion though.

[Calderyon]

I think Rose might be my favorite. Or Donna. Or Martha.

Clara is not bad either.

[Calderyon]

As far the Doctors it is between Tennant and Smith for the best one.

I also like Ecclestons version.

[Calderyon]

Also Capaldi did an good job in terms what he was given.

He could have become the best one had the writing been better.

[Calderyon]

I also think Rory and Nardol are bit of extras imo. Well Nardol vastly more.

Rory was at least useful and relevant.

[Calderyon]

Also Missys casting: Well done :clap1:

[Calderyon]

Got to add, they really nailed River Songs casting.

[Morgan.]

Michelle Gomez and Alex Kingston :flutter:

[Oliver_W]

I wish really wish Capaldi was staying. He was a great Doctor, and it would have been interesting to see him under a different writing team.

[Calderyon]

I wish really wish Capaldi was staying. He was a great Doctor, and it would have been interesting to see him under a different writing team.

Seems the rule is 3 seasons and you are out and the next one is in.

Except for poor Eccleston.

[Calderyon]

Michelle Gomez and Alex Kingston :flutter:

One of the best female castings ever on anything.

[Calderyon]

Capaldi vs Jacobi could have been amazing.

[Calderyon]

The soundtrack on series 3 (2005) is amazing. The whole Tennant/Smith eras are great tbh.

[Calderyon]

Forgot to comment on this, but Bradley Walsh as a companion!?

Eh? :laugh2:

[Denver]

BBC have put all episodes since it was revived on IPlayer

[MB.]

Segun Akinola will be the show's new composer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/entries/6e908208-0ebe-4a2d-bcba-16f3c3a47032

[Greg!]

There's a series 11 thread (made by ME but that's not the point.)

[Calderyon]

I liked Murray Gold.