Jeremy Corbyn the Labour Leader: Some Still Against him : a 2nd Jeremy Win 24/9/16

[bots]

from the BBC ....

"And documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".

One email from the leader's office suggests that Mr Corbyn's director of strategy and communications, Seumas Milne, was behind Mr Corbyn's reluctance to take a prominent role in Labour's campaign to keep the UK in the EU. One email, discussing one of the leader's speeches, said it was because of the "hand of Seumas. If he can't kill it, he will water it down so much to hope nobody notices it".

A series of messages dating back to December seen by the BBC shows correspondence between the party leader's office, the Labour Remain campaign and Labour HQ, discussing the European campaign. It shows how a sentence talking about immigration was removed on one occasion and how Mr Milne refused to sign off a letter signed by 200 MPs after it had already been approved.

The documents show concern in Labour HQ and the Labour Remain campaign about Mr Corbyn's commitment to the campaign - one email says: "What is going on here?" Another email from Labour Remain sources to the leader's office complains "there is no EU content here - we agreed to have Europe content in it". Sources say they show the leader's office was reluctant to give full support to the EU campaign and how difficult it was to get Mr Corbyn to take a prominent role.

Mr Corbyn has insisted publicly that he campaigned hard to keep the country in the EU and that he made a number of speeches around the country, and attended many campaigning events. But many shadow cabinet ministers believe his performance in the campaign has shown that he is simply not capable of leading the party. One senior figure told me: "People have just had enough and are embarrassed to be part of it." Jeremy Corbyn's team are adamant that he will stand again for the leadership, and they believe the party's members would back him again."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36633238

[arista]

9 MP's now Resigned new total

Northern Irish MP

[Kizzy]

The BBC end up with lots of information... ask cliff.

[arista]

Number 10th Resigned
Lord Fulconer

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/11/01/2D481DBF00000578-0-image-a-3_1444522373438.jpg

[DemolitionRed]

Excellent post with valid arguments, but when it comes to your question; "He will be replaced by a right wing Blairite MP in a right wing parliament. [B]Is that what Labour supporters want? - the fact that Labour supporters backed 'Remain' can only lead to the concluson that a lot of Labour Supporters are now more confused about their politics than ever. Which is sad.

To be honest Kirk, this whole thing is confusing me. I, along with a lot of Labour supporters couldn't of campaigned in this referendum because we were on the wrong side of Labour to support their cause.

Whilst Corbyn needs to brush up his elocution and confidence, I’ve never doubted for a moment that he’s the man of the people for the people. My biggest fear is, his passion for fairness will now be replaced with a new bunch of Blairite wolves and all these supposed Labour supporters will celebrate Corbyn's downfall. Shame on them.

[DemolitionRed]

Exactly, he has done to jeremy what was done to his father for his principles many yrs ago, Hilary should be thoroughly ashamed.
The rest of the power hungry mob can walk if they like, this quote reminds me of corbyns reaction to brexit...

'In a Time of Universal Deceit — Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act'

What was wrong with saying he wasn't 100%, with so much uncertainty around leave and remain how could anyone in any honesty say any different?

I kissed you for this post earlier but it got deleted for some reason.

[bots]

I kissed you for this post earlier but it got deleted for some reason.

we will have none of that kissing in serious debates!:pat:

[DemolitionRed]

we will have none of that kissing in serious debates!:pat:

It wasn't a snog...honest! :hee:

[Kizzy]

where has my post gone too?... I didn't quote you, (thanks for the snog btw)

[bots]

where has my post gone too?... I didn't quote you, (thanks for the snog btw)

hilary is the newest member of the mod team now he has time on his hands

[Kizzy]

hilary is the newest member of the mod team now he has time on his hands

It's ok I found it, hill will have more time to lick his david camerons bogies collection now :laugh:

[arista]

Corbyn will Replace all 10.

This is a Lucy Powell (party manager) Set Up
of the Blair MPs

[Livia]

It's ok I found it, hill will have more time to lick his david camerons bogies collection now :laugh:

This is something I might expect to hear from my seven year old niece.

[Kizzy]

This is something I might expect to hear from my seven year old niece.

She sounds well cool, thanks for sharing.

[empire]

the labour party went against many of its voters, who wanted to vote leave in the referendum, and people can say that the tory party are in worse shape, but labour are badly fractured, blair only filled those gaps on the wall, but he could never repair it, and just made a false sense of unity, what the party need's to do is, get rid of the neo-blairites, the far-left-marxists, and most important of all, the champagne socialists, and bring in the ordinary working people to take control of the party, instead of the ones who get rich mummy and daddy to pay for them into westminster,

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/26/474147/default/v1/12415497-1-1-736x414.jpg
Corbyn Tells Labour Rebels: Put Up Or Shut Up
http://news.sky.com/story/1717937/corbyn-tells-labour-rebels-put-up-or-shut-up

[joeysteele]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/26/474147/default/v1/12415497-1-1-736x414.jpg
Corbyn Tells Labour Rebels: Put Up Or Shut Up
http://news.sky.com/story/1717937/corbyn-tells-labour-rebels-put-up-or-shut-up

I think he may find this time they will put up.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/26/474145/default/v1/the-1-1-992x558.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/26/474150/default/v1/guardian-1-992x558.jpg

[arista]

I think he may find this time they will put up.


Not until
he has someone Against him

[Kizzy]

Good, blairite dead wood gone :)

Onwards and upwards, brave new world and all that... If we can have a brand new UK why not a brand new old Labour party?....eh?

I'm in ...(again)

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/26/474146/default/v1/metro-1-992x558.jpg


Me and Kizzy stick with Corbyn

Joey leaves

[Kizzy]

Our country faces a huge challenge following Thursday’s vote to leave the European Union. And the British people have a right to know how their elected leaders are going to respond.

We need to come together to heal the divisions exposed by the vote. We have to respect the decision that has been made, hold the government to democratic account over its response, and ensure that working people don’t pay the price of exit.

Neither wing of the Tory government has an exit plan. Labour will now ensure that our reform agenda is at the heart of the negotiations that lie ahead. That includes the freedom to shape our economy for the future and the necessity of protecting social and employment rights.

One clear message from last Thursday’s vote is that millions of people feel shut out of a political and economic system that has let them down and scarred our country with grotesque levels of inequality.

I was elected by hundreds of thousands of Labour party members and supporters with an overwhelming mandate for a different kind of politics.

I regret there have been resignations today from my shadow cabinet. But I am not going to betray the trust of those who voted for me – or the millions of supporters across the country who need Labour to represent them.

Those who want to change Labour’s leadership will have to stand in a democratic election, in which I will be a candidate.

Over the next 24 hours, I will reshape my shadow cabinet and announce a new leadership team to take forward Labour’s campaign for a fairer Britain - and to get the best deal with Europe for our people'.

:worship:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/26/brexit-live-jeremy-corbyn-sacks-hilary-benn-tory-leadership

[the truth]

tony benn was a legend, he wasnt always right but he was a man incapable of lying ...but look at how disgracefully new labour treated him. corbyn needs to grow some balls and state his real opinions. get rid of blairites ride the storm and see where ti takes him. i doubt he has the talent but if he has the character that might be enough

[Vicky.]

Losing the Tory-lites is not necessarily a bad thing IMO... :idc:

[arista]

Losing the Tory-lites is not necessarily a bad thing IMO... :idc:


For Sure
Wise Vicky

[bots]

if corbyn wont go, and the membership vote to keep him then a new party will be setup

Its unsustainable, and he won't win an election

[DemolitionRed]

Today has just got better and better :)

[arista]

if corbyn wont go, and the membership vote to keep him then a new party will be setup

Its unsustainable, and he won't win an election


He does not agree with you

[arista]

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[Vicky.]

Some have been wanting to get shot for ages...this is just being used as an excuse

I cannot believe people expect him to step down simply because a lot of labour voters voted out instead of in. It was never about Tories/Labour/whatever (except for the few arseholes that votes just to spite Cameron) and as such...the leaders shouldn't be blamed for the result at all.

[arista]

Some have been wanting to get shot for ages...this is just being used as an excuse

I cannot believe people expect him to step down simply because a lot of labour voters voted out instead of in. It was never about Tories/Labour/whatever (except for the few arseholes that votes just to spite Cameron) and as such...the leaders shouldn't be blamed for the result at all.


Yes its Pathetic

[bots]

Some have been wanting to get shot for ages...this is just being used as an excuse

I cannot believe people expect him to step down simply because a lot of labour voters voted out instead of in. It was never about Tories/Labour/whatever (except for the few arseholes that votes just to spite Cameron) and as such...the leaders shouldn't be blamed for the result at all.

the documents that the BBC have showing proof of his hiding in the referendum doesn't inspire confidence and it was obvious for all to see. If he is such a strong leader, why didnt he follow his own concience and support brexit. It doesn't add up to me.

I've also heard that his name was put on the leadership list to provide variety, and that once on, people were coerced into voting for him.

He is supposed to be this principled man, but I see very little evidence of it in reality, I think there is a lot of dirt hiding under the surface.

[Jack_]

Good riddance to the awful Blairites. Jeremy was elected on an overwhelming mandate from Labour members and it's about time these career politicians realised that they are there to serve both their constituents and party members, not themselves.

I am still confident that he would win a leadership election, so nothing changes. The vast increase in membership since his appointment is testament to his values and principles of which align with true Labour Party ones that many have been longing to see for two decades.

There is absolutely no point in having a Tory lite party, Thatcher once said one of her greatest achievements was conquering not one but two parties and quite frankly anything that's beneficial to her legacy needs eradicating. If people want austerity, if people want the dismantling of public services, if people want inequality, they can vote for the Conservatives. I would much rather lose another election to them than have a Labour Party in power whose policies are a match stick in difference from their opponents.

Corbyn is in no position to win an election right now, no. But his voice is necessary going forward when it comes to the Brexit negotiations because he is the only one in the shower of **** that were both campaigns who spoke about the things that really matter to working people - the protection of employment rights.

Time for these MPs to put up or shut up or better yet, start their membership with the Tories.

[arista]

Good riddance to the awful Blairites. Jeremy was elected on an overwhelming mandate from Labour members and it's about time these career politicians realised that they are there to serve both their constituents and party members, not themselves.

I am still confident that he would win a leadership election, so nothing changes. The vast increase in membership since his appointment is testament to his values and principles of which align with true Labour Party ones that many have been longing to see for two decades.

There is absolutely no point in having a Tory lite party, Thatcher once said one of her greatest achievements was conquering not one but two parties and quite frankly anything that's beneficial to her legacy needs eradicating. If people want austerity, if people want the dismantling of public services, if people want inequality, they can vote for the Conservatives. I would much rather lose another election to them than have a Labour Party in power whose policies are a match stick in difference from their opponents.

Corbyn is in no position to win an election right now, no. But his voice is necessary going forward when it comes to the Brexit negotiations because he is the only one in the shower of **** that were both campaigns who spoke about the things that really matter to working people - the protection of employment rights.

Time for these MPs to put up or shut up or better yet, start their membership with the Tories.


Bang On Right

[the truth]

id leave him carry on

[arista]

the documents that the BBC have showing proof of his hiding in the referendum doesn't inspire confidence and it was obvious for all to see. If he is such a strong leader, why didnt he follow his own concience and support brexit. It doesn't add up to me.

I've also heard that his name was put on the leadership list to provide variety, and that once on, people were coerced into voting for him.

He is supposed to be this principled man, but I see very little evidence of it in reality, I think there is a lot of dirt hiding under the surface.


Feck The BBC

they are not trusted

[arista]

id leave him carry on

Yes

[Vicky.]

Don't really think its a bad thing that he didn't appear to lick the EUs ass during this whole thing tbh. Was quite refreshing to see someone 'campaigning' for in while still pointing out the faults in the EU. Its possible to think we are better in but with a large amounts of changes :shrug:

[joeysteele]

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Me and Kizzy stick with Corbyn

Joey leaves

Just a thought, are you actually saying there that you would vote for labour with Jeremy Corbyn leading it at the next election when it comes?

I know Kizzy will and actually so would I but more for Labour than for Corbyn.
I do want a new leader now ,yes, for the good of the party, I like Corbyn but have lost faith he could ever win a general election.

I honestly do not see you voting Labour even under Jeremy's leadership.

[Kizzy]

Yes he and I are corbynistas :)

[joeysteele]

Yes he and I are corbynistas :)

:joker: That's a great achievement for you Kizzy to get him to do that,well done.:joker:

[arista]

Emily has been promoted
and Diane Abbott is the New Health Lady


See He is Filling the Blair posts

[bots]

yes, but 3 more have resigned this morning :joker:

[arista]

yes, but 3 more have resigned this morning :joker:



Yes he has to Go Turbo


But his Good Team
are happy to fill the Posts
of the Blair Feckers

[arista]

yes, but 3 more have resigned this morning :joker:


Yes they Can feck Off

Karl Turner and Chris Bryant MP

[joeysteele]

I always take notice of Chris Bryant, I believe he has tried to make this work but he is right.
Voters are telling party activists they will not support Labour under Corbyn.
I have heard that more in this referendum campaign than ever before.

[Crimson Dynamo]

20 gone by the end of todaY?

[bots]

20 gone by the end of todaY?

the 4th of the day has just happened :laugh: Jeremy and Diane to be the last standing?

[joeysteele]

20 gone by the end of todaY?

It is becoming farcical now LT,and sorry to Corbyn's supporters,I do like the man as a person but a good leader would be moving rapidly to halt the rot.

If the new Conservative leader seeks an election in the Spring or earlier, and Corbyn is leader, the Labour party will be very lucky to hold 150 seats,and even that may be being generous.

This is really hard to witness now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

At this rate Nicola will be in charge of the UK by the end of Wimbledon!

[joeysteele]

I'd welcome Nicola in charge any day of the week, she at least will always probably do the right thing for her party and Country.

[arista]

the 4th of the day has just happened :laugh: Jeremy and Diane to be the last standing?


Stop This



Emily is there

there is that Labour woman
that helped Boris Leave team

[bots]

Labour deputy leader 'tells Jeremy Corbyn to quit'

Tom Watson has told Jeremy Corbyn to resign. He told him he has "no authority with the PLP"

[bots]

20 gone by the end of todaY?

its 23 now!

[arista]

Labour deputy leader 'tells Jeremy Corbyn to quit'

Tom Watson has told Jeremy Corbyn to resign. He told him he has "no authority with the PLP"



Corbyn is staying

[smudgie]

Maria Eagle now resigns.
Wonder if her twin will follow her.

[arista]

Maria Eagle now resigns.
Wonder if her twin will follow her.

Good she can FEck OFFF


Corbyn is Staying
and Win Again - if he has to

[Kizzy]

Say Labour do get a new leader, who's to say the public will gel with them? they thought Ed looked funny, they think Jeremy is too left wing ( :/ ) ... Who will be considered acceptable, or is it a foregone conclusion it will be drone lover benn?

[arista]

Say Labour do get a new leader, who's to say the public will gel with them? they thought Ed looked funny, they think Jeremy is too left wing ( :/ ) ... Who will be considered acceptable, or is it a foregone conclusion it will be drone lover benn?


No Benn - can not handle being the top boss


Corbyn is Staying


There is 2 Labour Party's
The original ---- Corbyn --- Kizzy/Arista Tibb



and the Neo ToryBlairs - Benn and unknowns --- joey of tibb etc

[Kizzy]

No Benn - can not handle being the top boss


Corbyn is Staying


There is 2 Labour Party's
The original ---- Corbyn --- Kizzy/Arista Tibb



and the Neo ToryBlairs - Benn and unknowns --- joey of tibb etc

Ah right :laugh: Joey! step into the light :)

[arista]

Young Rebecca Long Baily has been Promoted to
Shadow Chief Secretary To Treasury

She was just Live on SkyNewsHD


Corbyn Is Staying

[the truth]

corbyn should never have appeased those scumbags in the first place....he should have stood his ground and spoken his mind on the corrupt unelected eu commission just as he had done for 40 years. he could still have supported remain but at the same time stated exactly how corrupt it is and exactly how it MUST change...TO THINE OWN SELF BE TRUE

[Kizzy]

I suspect that Jeremy Corbyn may have voted to leave, Chris Bryant tells @BBCNews #Brexit #EUref


Lying blairite bast!!! Good riddance, tory lite scum!


Jeremy Corbyn MP ✔ @jeremycorbyn
I've just voted to Remain. The EU provides the best framework to meet the challenges of our time #LabourInForBritain
8:50 AM - 23 Jun 2016

[arista]

I suspect that Jeremy Corbyn may have voted to leave, Chris Bryant tells @BBCNews #Brexit #EUref


Lying blairite bast!!! Good riddance, tory lite scum!


Jeremy Corbyn MP ✔ @jeremycorbyn
I've just voted to Remain. The EU provides the best framework to meet the challenges of our time #LabourInForBritain
8:50 AM - 23 Jun 2016


Yes Kizzy another TORYBLAIR gone
he can feck off

[arista]

http://www.unitetheunion.org/uploaded/standard-content/Rebecca%20Long-Bailey%20MP11-25835.jpg
The New Shadow Chief Secretary To Treasury


A Corbyn MP


Rebbeca Long-Bailey

[joeysteele]

Ah right :laugh: Joey! step into the light :)

I do respect you Kizzy and I do genuinely like Corbyn as a person but not as a leader.

I am Labour and will vote Labour but we are heading down a very steep and massive hill, in a vehicle with no brakes if he does stay on.

I am really sad to have to admit that but it does now need saying.

[Kizzy]

I love her already :)

[arista]

I love her already :)


She was Live on Mid Day SkyNewsHD
Clever Young lady
a Corbyn MP

Nothing to do with Joey of tibb

[Kizzy]

I do respect you Kizzy and I do genuinely like Corbyn as a person but not as a leader.

I am Labour and will vote Labour but we are heading down a very steep and massive hill, in a vehicle with no brakes if he does stay on.

I am really sad to have to admit that but it does now need saying.

And I you Joey, I understand why you say this and in part agree yet corbyn is right he was elected by the people, he should not be forced to stand down by his cabinet, should there be a challenge then so be it that is the democratic process.

[arista]

Emily is Live in Parliament Now


PM and Corbyn Live at 3:30PM today

[arista]

Rebbeca Long-Bailey MP

was just Live on BBCNewsHD

with The Lesbo Reporter


Please Note : There is nothing wrong with being a Lesbo

[arista]

The PM is Live in the House

And Corbyn


All media in a min
or Parliament Ch now

[Kizzy]

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/4166e746-b9af-41b2-8a71-983be4680fb4

[arista]

A Good Session Today
the PM answering most questions well.

Its a Pain that the Non Corbyn MP's
are permitted to ask questions

[the truth]

THIS IS THE REAL JEREMY CORBYN, WE NEED MORE OF THIS PLEASE ....ON THE DEATH OF HIS HERO Tony Benn: A Titan Of Our Movement
MAR
2014 Monday 17TH posted by Morning Star in Features
JEREMY CORBYN fondly remembers his fellow rebel MP and close friend Tony Benn - including their late-night escapade to put up a commemorative plaque to Emily Wilding Davison in a parliamentary broom cupboard
The death of Tony Benn is devastating to me, obviously to his family and to millions all around Britain and the world who recognised him as a friend, an honest man, and someone who passionately believed in the cause of socialism and humanity.
Tony was an MP for 50 years, with only a very short break between a sad defeat in Bristol East in 1983 and his election to Parliament as MP for Chesterfield nine months later.
His contribution to Parliament was magnificent in every way. He saw it as an institution to be revered and supported, but which he wanted to make more effective.
He was a real democrat who understood the broad sweep of history and how today's parliamentary democracy is a product of the Peasants' Revolt, the English civil war, the Great Reform Act of 1832, the Chartists and the radical movements of the 19th and 20th centuries.
Tony was a minister in the 1964-70 and 1974-79 Labour governments. A far-thinking postmaster general, he went on to become minister of technology.
He recognised Britain's need to develop high-quality cutting-edge engineering as the way forward, and through his personal intervention he saved the Concorde project from cancellation in 1974.
As minister for industry in the second Wilson government, Tony developed the lessons of the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders' work in 1971 as a way of defending industry from the predators who only saw assets to be stripped.
As secretary of state he steered through the public ownership of shipbuilding and aircraft manufacture, supported the Triumph Co-operative at Meriden and spoke at enormous Institute for Workers' Control conferences.
I worked at the Engineering Union in the early 1970s and Tony came to our offices to seek support for his industrial strategy because he felt he was being obstructed by the dead hand of officialdom in Whitehall.
He encouraged us to produce a blueprint for workers' control of British Leyland. Sadly he was moved on from his ministerial position before this bold move could take place.
Some of those who vigorously opposed Tony in the 1980s have surfaced again in the aftermath of his death, and are retrospectively trying to blame him for Labour's 1983 election defeat.
Yet the manifesto on which that election was fought would be highly appropriate today to deal with the finance and banking crisis that has been visited upon the poorest people in Britain and, indeed, across Europe.
The real reason for Labour's 1983 defeat was the defection of a number of leading figures in the Labour Party to the SDP, allowing Thatcher to be re-elected on the same vote as she had achieved in 1979 while calling it a triumph.
When the miners' strike took place in 1984-5 it coincided with Benn's election campaign in Chesterfield - and what a pleasure it was to campaign with him there, where he was elected and subsequently re-elected.
The miners' strike in many ways saw Tony at his finest, tirelessly travelling the country supporting picket lines and the Women Against Pit Closures, managing to unite inner-city struggles with the mining communities and always bringing a strength of internationalism into all of his speeches, regardless of the fact that it might be at 5am on a freezing picket line with an enormous menacing police presence threatening the miners and their families.
Tony, apart from being a great writer of diaries and a highly optimistic political philosopher, was fascinated by discussions and ordinary people's stories.
For a time in the late 1980s we held meetings of the Independent Left Corresponding Society, so named in memory of the radical correspondence societies during the dark days for radicals in Britain in the early part of the 19th century.
These meetings which included such luminaries as Ralph Miliband, Jim Mortimer, Tariq Ali and Hilary Wainwright, took themes for discussion about party structures, the development of democracy and the effectiveness or otherwise of trade unions. In many ways this was my university education.

Tony never shied away from supporting equality, anti-racism and causes that didn't get much attention from the media or the political Establishment.
He supported the black community in Bristol when they boycotted the buses in 1959 because of the racism in the recruitment of drivers and conductors. He wanted to negotiate and talk with Sinn Fein when it was being isolated and ostracised.
Before the outbreak of the Gulf war in 1991 he went to Baghdad with Edward Heath to try to obtain some kind of agreement, and memorably said when the war started that George Bush Snr had declared himself at war with humanity.
Tony later was hugely active in the foundation of the Stop the War Coalition in 2001 and was president at the time of his death. He had been an inspirational figure at every rally, particularly the million-plus rally in Hyde Park on February 15 2003. Right up to the end Tony was supporting and speaking at peace events.
An imaginative thinker, he founded the Coalition of Resistance as a way of uniting people in opposition to the austerity programme being promoted by George Osborne and David Cameron whose method of restructuring society remains to increase inequality and to concentrate wealth in the hands of the minority.
I have so many personal memories of Tony. I first met him in the late 1960s as a young activist and it's been a privilege and honour to work with him on so many causes for so long.
My memories include little vignettes of life such as, at a moment of enormous tension in Brighton as Tony was about to lose the deputy leadership of the Labour Party election, he was frustrated that he couldn't get a cup of tea because the kettle wouldn't work. I suggested that this should not have been a problem for him as a former technology minster, at which he smiled.
Later, when my eldest son Ben was just a few months old, I brought him into Parliament, and he sat on Fenner Brockway's knee in the parliamentary cafeteria while Tony fed him and talked to him, both of them oblivious to what was going on around them as they concentrated on each other.
Tony had a great sense of history and wanted Parliament to commemorate those who had made a difference, including Emily Wilding Davison and her census-night sojourn in the broom cupboard under Westminster Hall.
I had the pleasure of helping Tony put the plaque up late one evening after the house had finished its business for the day.
We went to Tony's car and collected the plaque and an electric drill and as we made our way via the crypt a policeman approached us.
I thought the game was up and we'd be asked about the drill and electric tool box, late at night.
While I was trying to dream up the appropriate explanation to offer, the policeman approached and simply offered to carry our bags for us.
Tony told him that we were on our way to the chapel, at which point the policeman offered to escort us but Tony insisted on privacy.
On another occasion we went to Belfast to observe a "supergrass" trial, where the juries did not exist and the judge made a decision on the basis of evidence given from an informer who in return was given anonymity, a change of identity and a very large sum of money to start a new life.
When we arrived we went and queued up with other families to go into the public gallery and the court master saw us and said he'd find a space for us in the well of the court.
Rather undiplomatically he explained that in the public gallery one couldn't see or hear anything because the glass screen was scratched and there was a very poor PA system.
When we reached the well of the court, to the chagrin of our host, there were no seats available until the empty 12 seats in the jury box were spotted and we duly sat in them.
The barrister for the defence spotted an opportunity and announced to the judge that he was surprised at how small the new jury was but that he was happy to accept its wisdom.
Tony leaves behind the books and wonderful diaries he wrote and the enormous admiration and the friendship of millions of people.

He died with his family around him and while it is desperately sad for all of the family, his children Hilary, Stephen Melissa and Josh, he also leaves behind a wider family who he loved and adored.
At a Stop the War conference in the Emmanuelle Centre late last year, he was treated with overwhelming warmth and reverence by the international gathering.
He realised his legacy is a belief in people, progress and our abilities to shape our own lives, not leave it to the powerful and the wealthy.
Thanks, Tony, for everything that you did and the path that your writings will continue to show about how to bring about change. It was been one of the great privileges of my life to have known you so well and worked with you on so many causes.

[DemolitionRed]

Doesn't anyone else think its odd that Corbyn, who ‘was’ in a very healthy position, is being called out on a vote of no confidence? Look at all the exposure the Conservative parties had recently compared to the Labour party and yet Labour are still level pegging in popularity. But instead of celebrating their parties survival through these dark political times they are trying to destroy it or at least the neoliberal Blairites who have no political connection with their own party, never mind those who they are supposed to represent, are trying to get rid of its leader.

Tariq Ali wrote about this future coup against Corbyn in his book, "The Extreme Centre" and the reasons why it would likely happen during the aftermath of the referendum. Corbyn’s campaign has generated a masse movement that has renewed the base of the Labour party. Blair has tried everything to get rid of him and so has Brown. Corbyn took over a Labour party that was still full to the brim with Blairites who wanted to forget about social democracy of the Crosland variety. They no more want to see a shift in British politics than the Conservatives and will do everything in their power to damage Corbyn’s reputation and see his downfall. The safest time for a coup was a period when Labour had huge popular support….NOW!

So this is an internal well planned coup by neo-liberal Labour. Where are all those displaced austerity politicians going to go I ask? -utterly shameless shysters…the lot of them.

I will support Corbyn to the hilt and if he does resign, then so does my membership of the Labour party.

[Kizzy]

There you go Jeremy is a legend... whats not to like?

[arista]

Live at Westminster
on ITV1London
next to Media hubs on the Green
are loads of People shouting "Corbyn IN"
"Blarites OUT"

Has not been on on any other news - Just on BBCNewsHD , as well.
I hope its on Tomorrows Daily Politics 11AM
BBC2HD , although they only have 29mins


Joey - Corbyn can Win again
will you then Jump to Conservative Again?

[Kizzy]

Live at Westminster
on ITV1London
next to Media hubs on the Green
are loads of People shouting "Corbyn IN"
"Blarites OUT"

Has not been on on any other news - Just on BBCNewsHD , as well.
I hope its on Tomorrows Daily Politics 11AM
BBC2HD , although they only have 29mins


Joey - Corbyn can Win again
will you then Jump to Conservative Again?

Stop badgering Joey, of course he won't, you might! :laugh:

[arista]

Stop badgering Joey, of course he won't, you might! :laugh:



Its a Fair Question
As Joey Jumps Ships more than me

[Kizzy]

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e6b1544627ea7aea505918f8aa8d89b13a920e53/0_186_4878_2926/master/4878.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&

[Kizzy]

Its a Fair Question
As Joey Jumps Ships more than me

No he doesn't... :/ no more than me, I voted lib dem in 2010 same as Joey.

[arista]

No he doesn't... :/ no more than me, I voted lib dem in 2010 same as Joey.


Sorry as in 2010
I had Predicted in 2008- 2009
it would be a Conservative / LibDem Power
taking over.


So any that Voted for Clegg
were Getting Dave in charge

[Kizzy]

Shut it... I'm still in therapy :(

[arista]

The Corbyn In at Westminster
people just on ITV1HD News

[smudgie]

So we should get a new PM sooner than we thought, not that that has anything to do with the panic in the Labour Party :joker:

[arista]

Union man Live on SkyNewsHD
supporting Corbyn

http://news.sky.com/watch-live
for kizzy


Corbyn will be Live at Westminster Green Rally in a few mins

[arista]

Yes Corbyn is not Going to Resign


Utter Bliss

[arista]

Live Now
they Cheer Jeremy


Also Live on BBC NewsHD

[joeysteele]

Its a Fair Question
As Joey Jumps Ships more than me

Joey has jumped ship once and in any event I was never a member of a political Party until I joined Labour in the last 3 years,
So really I haven't jumped ship at all.

I came to Labour because I saw vindictiveness,discrimination and demonisation of, fuelled by a Conservative govt against those who were sick, disabled and the most vulnerable.

My profession I took up after UNI, led me to witness some of the most rotten and heartless acts against those groups of people by people in government.

I could never support anyone who tears down the weakest to further strengthen and build up the strongest.
That is why I parted company with the conservative party along with my worries for the NHS too.

I still am solid in my belief that Labour now would do much better on both those counts.
So I will not be jumping ship at all and would still solidly support Labour even if Corbyn remains.

I have no wish whatsoever as to have anything to do with a Party, who when in govt and with their supporters support too, could treat the most vulnerable like 4th class citizens.
Encouraging others to only see them as benefit scroungers.

I have no doubt someday the decent majority in the Conservative Party may take the Party back again, that is not going to happen with Boris Johnson definitely or even Theresa May.
I have chosen the Party I want to belong to and will stay there because with all its faults, I believe its heart is more in the right place.

Also that what I stand for and hope to happen in the future as to the sick,disabled and most vulnerable, as well as to the NHS,will be better served by a caring Party, far more than a heartless one.

I may get to see it happen if Labour again returns to govt,if not, it is still the hope and ideal I aim for so will stick with Labour no matter what.

That does not mean however that I will not commend the good I see, and what I see as good done, by any other Political Party out or in govt.

[arista]

Jeremy Is Live Now

Westminster

[arista]

[So I will not be jumping ship at all and would still solidly support Labour even if Corbyn remains.]


Good To hear Joey

[empire]

labour have themselves to blame, they can't make corbyn a scapegoat, when they had been forcing a knife to his back, so he could say that we should vote for remain, when for his whole political life he is anti-EU, there is another reason why the working class voted leave, the party thinks the working class are thick and uneducated, and it came from their party councillors and mps, look at sunderland, a labour heartland, and how many voted out, working class trust in labour is gone now, and it was the brexit vote that put the final nail into the coffin, corbyn can't repair the damage, or bring back the trust, he is brought in as leader to stop the ship from sinking, and from the sounds of things, he does not want to be PM,

[arista]

Kizzy I hope you
watched today 29 mins Daily Politics
Paul Mason (Former Ch4HD)
stuck up for Corbyn


This is Blair New Labour Vs Old Labour


And they New Blair Labour (joey) Must
put someone up to Fight Corbyn


They are Chicken.


Paul Mason I thank You

[Kizzy]

Kizzy I hope you
watched today 29 mins Daily Politics
Paul Mason (Former Ch4HD)
stuck up for Corbyn


This is Blair New Labour Vs Old Labour


And they New Blair Labour (joey) Must
put someone up to Fight Corbyn


They are Chicken.


Paul Mason I thank You

No sorry missed it but I am so happy to hear that following the attacks by the BBC.

[arista]

No sorry missed it but I am so happy to hear that following the attacks by the BBC.



Watch Todays Online

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07jcjp3/daily-politics-28062016


Paul Mason takes over the show
Top Man
He sticks up for Corbyn


I wish they had a longer than 29mins show

[arista]

https://versobooks-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/000000/467/Paul-Mason-8c0476d6b49e2d98a4697ca5e2220d48.jpg
Paul Mason Ex Ch4HD News

[Kizzy]

I think I've figured it out...

The 'oust' camp of the Blairite faction is for a specific reason, they are aware of the possibility that a GE could be triggered, if that happens they want a tory lite member at the helm when that happens.

If that does happen then Labour could as article 50 had not been triggered request a second referendum...

It's possible.

[Kizzy]

Watch Todays Online

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07jcjp3/daily-politics-28062016


Paul Mason takes over the show
Top Man
He sticks up for Corbyn


I wish they had a longer than 29mins show

Will do, thanks :)

[the truth]

I think I've figured it out...

The 'oust' camp of the Blairite faction is for a specific reason, they are aware of the possibility that a GE could be triggered, if that happens they want a tory lite member at the helm when that happens.

If that does happen then Labour could as article 50 had not been triggered request a second referendum...

It's possible.

thats exactly what theyre after why they are in such a hurry

[bots]

if Corbyn stays, the tories will win an election if called. If Corbyn supporters are happy with that thought, great, carry on as is, but don't come back crying after losing an election

[Kizzy]

then call one now, the tories don't have anyone that the public like that much atm either so it's a level playing field. isn't it?

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1718507/jeremy-corbyn-loses-vote-of-no-confidence

Corbyn is Staying
Why will the Blair Feckers
not put up someone?

They need 2 Partys

Labour

and
New Labour
But SORT IT OUT

[arista]

then call one now, the tories don't have anyone that the public like that much atm either so it's a level playing field. isn't it?


Kizzy its no longer like that
its a Fixed Term Parliament
every 5 years

May 2020 is the next Date

unless a Snap Election.

[Wizard.]

Labour MP's Pass Corbyn No-Confidence Motion

A motion of no confidence in Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been passed by the party's MPs.
The 172-40 vote, which is not binding, follows resignations from the shadow cabinet and calls on Mr Corbyn to quit.
The leader's allies have told his critics to trigger a formal leadership contest if they want to challenge him.
Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said Mr Corbyn was "not going anywhere", accusing his critics of trying to "subvert democracy".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458

[arista]

Labour MP's Pass Corbyn No-Confidence Motion

A motion of no confidence in Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been passed by the party's MPs.
The 172-40 vote, which is not binding, follows resignations from the shadow cabinet and calls on Mr Corbyn to quit.
The leader's allies have told his critics to trigger a formal leadership contest if they want to challenge him.
Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said Mr Corbyn was "not going anywhere", accusing his critics of trying to "subvert democracy".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458


I Just Posted that with a Link

Corbyn is Staying

[Jack_]

The PLP are an embarrassment, he better be on the ballot or expect a dramatic decline in membership (that's doubled under his tenure)

They need to realise they are there to serve the members of the party, not themselves. The fact they've done this at a time when the Tories should be taking all of the criticism for the mess they've left us in is just appalling

[arista]

New Labour
can Split

[arista]

The PLP are an embarrassment, he better be on the ballot or expect a dramatic decline in membership (that's doubled under his tenure)

They need to realise they are there to serve the members of the party, not themselves. The fact they've done this at a time when the Tories should be taking all of the criticism for the mess they've left us in is just appalling

Worse Jack
Up North Labour Voters joined UKIP
Just on CNN HD Live

[Wizard.]

What do you expect? Labour is an embarrassment and are becoming insignificant like the Lib Dems

[Jack_]

Worse Jack
Up North Labour Voters joined UKIP
Just on CNN HD Live

Unfortunately that's a failure of the left of late to not address people's very real concerns with the truth of what causes them and the solutions to them, instead allowing Farage's xenophobic, divisive, populist nonsense to dictate the terms of the debate

[Crimson Dynamo]

172-40

:hehe:

[arista]

What do you expect? Labour is an embarrassment and are becoming insignificant like the Lib Dems


No they need to Split


Labour
and
New Labour

[Pete.]

If Corbyn goes I go

[arista]

Unfortunately that's a failure of the left of late to not address people's very real concerns with the truth of what causes them and the solutions to them, instead allowing Farage's xenophobic, divisive, populist nonsense to dictate the terms of the debate



Yes
But Corbyn is Staying

The others Must put up a Name?>

[Kizzy]

Blairites want Jeremy gone before the Chilcott report is published .....obv

[Tom4784]

if Corbyn stays, the tories will win an election if called. If Corbyn supporters are happy with that thought, great, carry on as is, but don't come back crying after losing an election

If anyone's foolish enough to vote for the Tories after the ****show they've made of the benefit cuts, NHS and the referendum then they deserve what will come of that decision.

[arista]

If Corbyn goes I go



No

the others must put a name up


So he can Win AGAIN

[arista]

Blairites want Jeremy gone before the Chilcott report is published .....obv


No Leave Jeremy there


Perfect Kizzy

[arista]

172-40

:hehe:


Sure LT


But the Voters would elect Corbyn Again


These are LABOUR Rules

[arista]

If anyone's foolish enough to vote for the Tories after the ****show they've made of the benefit cuts, NHS and the referendum then they deserve what will come of that decision.



Corbyn is ideal to Win a Election
minus the New Blair Labour Feckers

[Shaun]

As much as I agree with his stances and like him, he has to go. Not a good enough leader sadly. But then he'd just be replaced with a useless playdough moron.

[arista]

As much as I agree with his stances and like him, he has to go. Not a good enough leader sadly. But then he'd just be replaced with a useless playdough moron.


But he Is NOT

[arista]

Shaun if you have 28mins
please watch this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07jcjp3/daily-politics-28062016

Paul Mason on the 28mins Daily Politics Today


Me and Kizzy Thank Paul Mason

[Crimson Dynamo]

IDGI

Corbyn was voted in by labour voters by a landslide

Labour has a huge oppo this week to slaughter the tories


Instead they have tried to oust the leader the people chose
talk about out of touch political elite?

shocking

[MTVN]

Whats he thinking stubbornly carrying on after a vote like that. I know that he and the Left have been waiting for this for thirty years but when you lose a vote of no confidence that resoundingly then you are only party leader in name only anyway really. Corbyn seems to be forging his own personality cult now though where so many of the activists still flock to him that he's determined for the party to live or die with him and him alone.

atm I actually expect the Conservative party to emerge from everything going on in a stronger position than the Labour party, amazing given that its the Tories who've been plagued by Europe for the last 20+ years

[arista]

Whats he thinking stubbornly carrying on after a vote like that. I know that he and the Left have been waiting for this for thirty years but when you lose a vote of no confidence that resoundingly then you are only party leader in name only anyway really. Corbyn seems to be forging his own personality cult now though where so many of the activists still flock to him that he's determined for the party to live or die with him and him alone.

atm I actually expect the Conservative party to emerge from everything going on in a stronger position than the Labour party, amazing given that its the Tories who've been plagued by Europe for the last 20+ years


Watch Daily Politics Today.


He has a massive Members vote thats why he is staying


Why will they (BlairLabour)not put up a Name?

[joeysteele]

Whats he thinking stubbornly carrying on after a vote like that. I know that he and the Left have been waiting for this for thirty years but when you lose a vote of no confidence that resoundingly then you are only party leader in name only anyway really. Corbyn seems to be forging his own personality cult now though where so many of the activists still flock to him that he's determined for the party to live or die with him and him alone.

atm I actually expect the Conservative party to emerge from everything going on in a stronger position than the Labour party, amazing given that its the Tories who've been plagued by Europe for the last 20+ years

If some or most in the party really do want him gone and I can understand why they do.
Things like this vote of confidence are distractions.

They must have the numbers so announce them and force a leadership contest,he will have to run again, it is his right if he wants to.
Stop the moaning and make the challenge.

Otherwise they may find party members turning on them and it just also may be too,that the public, actually end up admiring a man who dug his heels in when all was seemingly against him.

I do not believe Labour will win an election with him as leader but politics is totally unpredictable and anything can happen I guess.

[arista]

"I do not believe Labour will win an election with him as leader "


Me and kizzy Do not agree with you Joey


Plus PAUL MASON

[Kizzy]

Because he has a duty as democratically elected leader to lead the party, and regardless of what he intends to do when the Chillcot report is made public, he should be free to do it.

This is a very obvious attempt to prevent that happening.

[bots]

Because he has a duty as democratically elected leader to lead the party, and regardless of what he intends to do when the Chillcot report is made public, he should be free to do it.

This is a very obvious attempt to prevent that happening.

most people that realise they are not up to the job resign, particularly in this case if they are representing the people and the party. His actions don't match his spin

[Kizzy]

most people that realise they are not up to the job resign, particularly in this case if they are representing the people and the party. His actions don't match his spin

He is up to the job though, he has plenty of support among the electorate.

[bots]

He is up to the job though, he has plenty of support among the electorate.

he has shown he is incapable of leading the party in a referendum, and shown he is incapable of leading his mp's. He has had to install a 3rd rate shadow cabinet that are incapable of running the country. Its not exactly a shining record so far is it.

[Kizzy]

he has shown he is incapable of leading the party in a referendum, and shown he is incapable of leading his mp's. He has had to install a 3rd rate shadow cabinet that are incapable of running the country. Its not exactly a shining record so far is it.

He was the most honest MP during the whole debarcle! He said it would be far from perfect in or out and guess what he was bang on.

He has had to cobble together a cabinet yes but let's not rule out the newbies just yet.

[smudgie]

Labour councillors going to send him a letter now.
Is Angela Eagle a Blairite?

[Kizzy]

Ooh they really are pulling out all the stops aren't they?...tsk tsk.

[Kizzy]

What's keeping Tom Watson and Andy Burnham where they are I wonder?

[arista]

Labour councillors going to send him a letter now.
Is Angela Eagle a Blairite?




YES

[bots]

interesting, so Corbyn appointed 45 "blairites" to his cabinet originally did he :fan:

[arista]

What's keeping Tom Watson and Andy Burnham where they are I wonder?



From Ch4HD News Live "Crick "


New Labour are trying to make sure he can not re-apply

Alastair Campell (Blairs War Cabinet)
wants Alan Johnson?

[Wizard.]

David Blanchflower, one of a group of economists who has been advising the shadow chancellor John McDonnell on issues including future reform of the Bank of England, has said that he is pulling out of the role.

He has cited Mr Corbyn's refusal to consider his position following the vote earlier for his decision

"Corbyn refuses to resign after 172-40 vote of no confidence. The UK needs an effective govt & opposition & we have neither."

[Vicky.]

The labour MPs are pure taking the piss oing this now. the worlds eyes should be on the Torys, and they use this as a petty point scoring exercise. I have no doubt if this was put to the actual members/people Corbyn would still win by a landslide, so why the need for all of this rubbish? They claim to be doing it to represent members of their constituencies, nah...in the real world he seems to be just as popular as ever. Is there a list of MPs who voted in this? I highly suspect my MP is on there as he has never liked Corbyn but my area is overwhelmingly in favour of him...

[Vicky.]

he has shown he is incapable of leading the party in a referendum, and shown he is incapable of leading his mp's. He has had to install a 3rd rate shadow cabinet that are incapable of running the country. Its not exactly a shining record so far is it.

By being honest? Did we expect him to start licking the EUs arse? he has ALWAYS been highly critical of the EU. No reason for that to change. Even if he did lie about it and make out everythings rosy, it wouldn't have changed the minds of the voters who...mostly...dud not even vote according to Tory/Labour etc...they voted on their own thoughts on it. Even if Corbyn spent days and days lying about how everything in the EU is perfect it would not have changed the vote, nor should it have.

[arista]

The labour MPs are pure taking the piss oing this now. the worlds eyes should be on the Torys, and they use this as a petty point scoring exercise. I have no doubt if this was put to the actual members/people Corbyn would still win by a landslide, so why the need for all of this rubbish? They claim to be doing it to represent members of their constituencies, nah...in the real world he seems to be just as popular as ever. Is there a list of MPs who voted in this? I highly suspect my MP is on there as he has never liked Corbyn but my area is overwhelmingly in favour of him...


Yes Please

[MTVN]

Corbyn isn't the only one with principles and a conscience though, the other Labour MPs have their own mandate from the electorate and if they feel that their leader is failing in his task then they are entitled to make that clear. We're not talking about a small group of rebels or 'Blairites' anymore, we're not talking about the vast majority of Labour MPs including many who are from the left of the party. They are the ones who have to witness and be subject to Corbyn's leadership every day and I can't imagine the frustration of the Labour In campaign every time that Corbyn's team watered down the pro-EU message or deleted it from speeches at the last minute. The huge number of MPs now ranged against him just shows incapable he has been at uniting the party or communicating what the Labour message is - his two main tasks as leader.

[Johnnyuk123]

Watch Daily Politics Today.


He has a massive Members vote thats why he is staying


Why will they (BlairLabour)not put up a Name?

A massive part of who voted him in in the first place were tories and ukippers because they all knew with him in charge labour has no chance on winning an election.

[joeysteele]

What's keeping Tom Watson and Andy Burnham where they are I wonder?

Tom Watson as deputy leader will have to bide his time,Andy is in fact the only one of his shadow cabinet that has stayed with him as his Shadow Home secretary..
Even after just about all of Andy's junior Ministers below him have resigned their positions.

However Andy is likely off to next year as well out of the Commons for to seek another post in politics.

This is a farce,just have a leadership election,test this view of the members.
Let's see who wins.

Waiting for Jeremy to resign is seemingly futile so just put up a candidate and set a leadership election off, it is a perfect time to have one with the Conservative leadership going on too.

Let the MPs, constituency and party members and Unions decide again.
If Jeremy stands in that contest, so be it, they have to beat him, if they then cannot do so, then for goodness sake they should shut up and either accept it or head off to another party.

All this is doing is ruining any hope at all for Labour to just do quite well in the next election, never mind have any chance of winning it or even being the largest party.

I am dismayed at this mess but it is clear Jeremy cannot keep the MPs together to me now ,and that he has to do as leader, to win power and be successful, even just in opposition.
Having said all that,I would neither want Tom Watson or Angela Eagle as leader either.

Crazy,bad for politics, bad for the Country too but this is now dangerous for Labours very existence as a serious force, it really is Kizzy.

Sometimes for the good of the party, people have to curb and even abandon their own ambitions.
Jeremy is just not listening to his, yes his, MPs, he has to do that to lead.

[Vicky.]

News were saying last night that this coup was 'planned' for next year but the opportunity presented itself now with all the hell on about the vote. This doesn't sound to me like it was anything to do with the Eu vote, more a bunch of MPs plotting behind their leaders backs for some time :shrug:

[DemolitionRed]

News were saying last night that this coup was 'planned' for next year but the opportunity presented itself now with all the hell on about the vote. This doesn't sound to me like it was anything to do with the Eu vote, more a bunch of MPs plotting behind their leaders backs for some time :shrug:

Absolutely.
I just don’t think I want to support a group of back stabbing ****esters.

[reece(:]

News were saying last night that this coup was 'planned' for next year but the opportunity presented itself now with all the hell on about the vote. This doesn't sound to me like it was anything to do with the Eu vote, more a bunch of MPs plotting behind their leaders backs for some time :shrug:

Diane Abbott said this on QT the other day too

[Kizzy]

Have you seen the 1000s of people he has supporting him too... How democratic is this 'ousting'?

[joeysteele]

News were saying last night that this coup was 'planned' for next year but the opportunity presented itself now with all the hell on about the vote. This doesn't sound to me like it was anything to do with the Eu vote, more a bunch of MPs plotting behind their leaders backs for some time :shrug:

I am sure it has been coming for some time but Labour only has 232 MPs,for 172 of them to declare no confidence in their leader is unprecedented and shows more than just a coup here at this time,most of that is genuine dissatisfaction, a fair number of those would have even been supporters of Labour having a far left leader..

Anyway far better to sort it now than leave it until next year,for me anyway.

[Kizzy]

And what is wrong with leaving it to due democratic process? What has he done so wrong... I don't understand the guy is for everything the working people are, if this coup was planned then seemingly it doesn't matter what the guy did, it was a forgone conclusion he was out, this stinks of utter corruption so bad!

[MTVN]

I am sure it has been coming for sometime but Labour only has 232 MPs,for 172 of them to declare no confidence in their leader is unprecedented and shows more than just a coup here at this time,most of that is genuine dissatisfaction, a fair number of those would have even been supporters of Labour having a far left leader..

Anyway far better to sort it now than leave it until next year,for me anyway.

Yes but it seems that Corbyn and his allies would rather dismiss it all as Blairite plotting or blame the Murdoch press, as if its incomprehensible that he just might not be a very good leader

Look at the people likely to challenge Corbyn - Tom Watson and Angela Eagle. In no world can it be claimed that they have been plotting this for a year - both have served diligently in Corbyn's administration when many others refused and tried their utmost to form a credible opposition. Corbyn didn't even have the decency to return Angela Eagle's call when she tried to get in contact after the referendum and 24 hours later she had still heard nothing from him. That doesn't exactly scream competence or inspire much trust.

[kirklancaster]

Have you seen the 1000s of people he has supporting him too... How democratic is this 'ousting'?

I agree. I actually feel sorry for Corbyn in this context - the yellow bastards who put power before principles are making him their scapegoat.

In a way, this is linked to what I am saying in my 'Truth' thread - WE are the people of this Country, and WE should be consulted on issues such as this, the fact that these carrion have no 'faith in Corbyn' does not mean that the people have not, and at the end of the day THEY work for US.

This will make me even more unpolular on here, but the simple fact which none of these pricks are willing to admit, is that Corbyn DID NOT lose the referendum for them - the lies and scare tactics of Cameron, Osborne and the Blairites did.

[joeysteele]

Yes but it seems that Corbyn and his allies would rather dismiss it all as Blairite plotting or blame the Murdoch press, as if its incomprehensible that he just might not be a very good leader

Look at the people likely to challenge Corbyn - Tom Watson and Angela Eagle. In no world can it be claimed that they have been plotting this for a year - both have served diligently in Corbyn's administration when many others refused and tried their utmost to form a credible opposition. Corbyn didn't even have the decency to return Angela Eagle's call when she tried to get in contact after the referendum and 24 hours later she had still heard nothing from him. That doesn't exactly scream competence or inspire much trust.

That is very true,especially as to Watson and Angela Eagle,they have tried to make this work.
However like myself,myself in a much smaller way,they have come across during this EU referendum, voters, (not party workers or members),stating clearly they will not vote for Labour in the areas Labour needs to start to even do just quite a bit better,while Jeremy Corbyn leads the Party.

I found that message endlessly in this referendum campaign, and a Party that only listens to its members and helpers while dismissing the real concerns of 'real' voters, will end up going nowhere at all.

I like the man but I said earlier on other threads, as a member who ran his feet off campaigning to remain in the EU, I felt abandoned by him, and so did those in the Labour Party helping me too.
His silence on issues and then when he did say anything, he opened up more questions than he answered,which left us with negative issues to have to explain as to what he meant by what he had said.

I want Labour strong and able to fight for govt, I have very sadly had to admit now, that will likely never be achievable with Jeremy as leader.

[kirklancaster]

Corbyn earned my respect because he DID make it obvious that he had not abandoned his life-long anti-EU stance, even though he 'went through the motions' in pretending to 'toe the party line'.

As such - HE IS THE ONLY PROMINENT LABOUR POLITICIAN TO STAY TRUE TO HIS SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES - something the Labour Party DID NOT DO in supporting to remain in the EU.

[Kizzy]

Corbyn earned my respect because he DID make it obvious that he had not abandoned his life-long anti-EU stance, even though he 'went through the motions' in pretending to 'toe the party line'.

As such - HE IS THE ONLY PROMINENT LABOUR POLITICIAN TO STAY TRUE TO HIS SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES - something the Labour Party DID NOT DO in supporting to remain in the EU.

He was very honest in his interviews and I fully believe that he was truthful when he stated he wished to remain, he expanded on that by explaining his logic behind his decision... there was no abandonment and no going through the motions, he just had no wish to see a conservative led brexit.

Who can blame him, look at it! :/

[bots]

Whether Jeremy was democratically elected or not, he has to be able to work with his colleagues, and direct the best minds in his shadow cabinet. If he can't do that labour will disintegrate. As a tory supporter, that would make me very happy in one sense, but the country needs 2 strong parties, now more than any time in the last 40 years.

The world isn't fair, and I don't understand Jeremy's thought processes now because he is not being logical and thinking things through. If he wants a far left labour party, that is unelectable, then that is where he is heading.

I even heard that he was going to push for those that spoke against him to be deselected from the party. Is that the democracy that he so strongly suggests keeps him in place? Is that the inclusive party that he is supposed to be championing?

Crazy .....

[Kizzy]

Whether Jeremy was democratically elected or not, he has to be able to work with his colleagues, and direct the best minds in his shadow cabinet. If he can't do that labour will disintegrate. As a tory supporter, that would make me very happy in one sense, but the country needs 2 strong parties, now more than any time in the last 40 years.

The world isn't fair, and I don't understand Jeremy's thought processes now because he is not being logical and thinking things through. If he wants a far left labour party, that is unelectable, then that is where he is heading.

I even heard that he was going to push for those that spoke against him to be deselected from the party. Is that the democracy that he so strongly suggests keeps him in place? Is that the inclusive party that he is supposed to be championing?

Crazy .....

NEW Labour will disintegrate yes, you can't just say 'we need 2 parties because numbers'...that in itself is illogical.

Nobody has been deselected as yet and I agree that would be wrong however I personally think that at this time those creating discord should be held accountable.

[billy123]

This purge is long overdue if Corbyn is guilty of anything it is of not ridding Labour of these self serving middle right parasites that have infected Labour and made them unelectable.
He should have done it sooner but it seems they are doing it for him.
Get rid of them and return Labour to the working class people of Britain.

[bots]

This purge is long overdue if Corbyn is guilty of anything it is of not ridding Labour of these self serving middle right parasites that have infected Labour and made them unelectable.
He should have done it sooner but it seems they are doing it for him.
Get rid of them and return Labour to the working class people of Britain.


Whatever your political stance, those are elected mp's of his party, and if he can't work with them, he cant be their leader.

The problem that i see is that Jeremy would end up with 40 mp's in parliament if the party was to be purged of those that disagree with Jeremy. Does that then mean that from this point forward, the party will only accept candidates that align identically to him - yes men, basically. I don't see how that could possibly be of benefit to the nation or the party, and I don't see it as a government winning formula either.

[Kizzy]

Whatever your political stance, those are elected mp's of his party, and if he can't work with them, he cant be their leader.

The problem that i see is that Jeremy would end up with 40 mp's in parliament if the party was to be purged of those that disagree with Jeremy. Does that then mean that from this point forward, the party will only accept candidates that align identically to him - yes men, basically. I don't see how that could possibly be of benefit to the nation or the party, and I don't see it as a government winning formula either.

He can, and he will... the vote of no confidece is not binding and means nothing they will carry on doing the job they were elected to do as Corbyn will.

The party is not being purged of anyone, that was not ever a suggestion with any basis in truth other than a supportive tweet on how to handle the MPs who have chosen this action.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Unfortunately, and it really is unforunate beacuse I supported him in the beginning, I don't think Jeremy is what the country needs right now. I think we need strong leadership and I don't care all that much if the next PM is a Blairite or a 'Tory-lite', but I don't think JC has proven himself to be the leader the country needs. I've joined the party and will probably vote for his opponent in the leadership election.

[Kizzy]

I won't, if Corbyn steps down for a blairite I'm voting green.

[bots]

He can, and he will... the vote of no confidece is not binding and means nothing they will carry on doing the job they were elected to do as Corbyn will.

The party is not being purged of anyone, that was not ever a suggestion with any basis in truth other than a supportive tweet on how to handle the MPs who have chosen this action.

But is it 45 that have resigned now? You can't possibly be suggesting that shows he is a good leader

[arista]

Whether Jeremy was democratically elected or not, he has to be able to work with his colleagues, and direct the best minds in his shadow cabinet. If he can't do that labour will disintegrate. As a tory supporter, that would make me very happy in one sense, but the country needs 2 strong parties, now more than any time in the last 40 years.

The world isn't fair, and I don't understand Jeremy's thought processes now because he is not being logical and thinking things through. If he wants a far left labour party, that is unelectable, then that is where he is heading.

I even heard that he was going to push for those that spoke against him to be deselected from the party. Is that the democracy that he so strongly suggests keeps him in place? Is that the inclusive party that he is supposed to be championing?

Crazy .....


But he will double up his staff
meaning 2 jobs


Its not Crazy


Its Pure Democracy
Grass Support Etc


This Master Plan of New Labour
had been Planned for Months
Ref : BBC2HD Newsnight

[joeysteele]

I won't, if Corbyn steps down for a blairite I'm voting green.

Then all we in the UK will get from that Kizzy, if others follow your lead there, is a Conservative govt with a massive majority.

The Greens can never break through now, even less so now the UK is coming out of the EU, where they got listened to more than in the UK.
UKIP could do really well as to your switching of votes to the Greens however too.

No way will I now risk the loss of the Labour Party to British politics.

[arista]

Corbyn - Labour

others
SNP (to face Conservatives)
New Labour
Lib Dem
1 Green MP

[kirklancaster]

This purge is long overdue if Corbyn is guilty of anything it is of not ridding Labour of these self serving middle right parasites that have infected Labour and made them unelectable.
He should have done it sooner but it seems they are doing it for him.
Get rid of them and return Labour to the working class people of Britain.

Great post Bob. I have not supported Labour since I was duped by that traitor Blair, but I do believe that a 'Labour' Party SHOULD represent the working classes of Great Britain - something which they have NOT for decades.

[arista]

This bitch of a MP
http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/2000_1000/5751eddd130000fb073838e4.png
Jess Phillips has F. F. F. at Corbyns face

Ref: Media / DM


Corbyn is staying

[letmein]

Never forget.

A blind eye to child abuse: Whistleblowers warned Labour leadership favourite Jeremy Corbyn of paedophiles preying on children on his doorstep - but claim he did NOTHING

Social workers warned Corbyn that child abuse was rife in his Islington constituency in 1992

‘We'd been seeing so many 12 to 15-year-olds who were being sexually exploited, we could hardly believe it,’ Liz Davies, one of the five social workers, recalled this week

Corbyn never wrote to Davies, or telephoned, to acknowledge their meeting, or thank her for seeking to blow the whistle

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/31/22/2B0042DD00000578-3181783-image-m-14_1438378525932.jpg
In 1992, social workers told Jeremy Corbyn (pictured that year) that organised child abuse was rife in his Islington constituency

At his constituency office in North London, the Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn sits down to a pre-arranged meeting with five very anxious social workers.
His visitors on that day in 1992 include four current or recent employees of Islington Council, the London borough where Corbyn’s constituency is situated. Their jobs are to safeguard some of its poorest and most vulnerable children.

To that end, they want to share some deeply troubling news with the local MP. For some time, the social workers tell Corbyn, a near-constant stream of drugged, hungry, distressed and often tearful young people have been turning up at their offices each day and exhibiting tell-tale signs of sexual abuse.

Many are residents of Islington Council’s children’s homes, where they seem to have been raped and assaulted by staff and visitors.

Some spend time at a flat nearby called ‘The Hot House’, which appears to be operating as a child brothel. A few also exhibit signs of being trafficked around London, the Home Counties and even abroad by organised paedophile networks.

The social workers tell Corbyn that they have recently come to the conclusion that organised child abuse is occurring across Islington on an alarming scale.

‘We had been seeing so, so many 12 to 15-year-olds who were being sexually exploited that we could hardly believe it,’ Liz Davies, one of the five social workers, recalled this week.

‘These children would be queuing up outside our offices at 9am for help. Most of them had obviously been out all night. We discovered that they were being driven around the country in vans.

‘I’d personally identified at least 61 potential abuse victims in our small patch of Islington.’

The scale of the problem suggested to Davies and her colleagues that paedophile gangs were targeting young people, on a nightly basis, across the borough.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/31/22/2B0042E300000578-3181783-image-a-22_1438378790911.jpghttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/31/22/2ABFA48000000578-3181783-image-m-20_1438378777590.jpg
Demetrious Panton (left), a survivor of abuse, told Corbyn (right) in August 1992 that ‘very bad things had happened’ to him when he’d been living at an Islington care home several years earlier

Things were at their worst in children’s homes, she informed Corbyn, where even known sex-abusers, and convicted child pornographers seemed able to commit crimes with impunity, sometimes staying overnight, with the apparent consent of council employees.

‘For a time, I had been putting vulnerable children into Islington’s homes to be safe,’ she says. ‘It took me a while to realise that was the worst possible place, because they were being abused there, too.’

So bad was the apparent problem that, earlier that year, Davies and a fellow social worker called David Cofie had attempted to blow the whistle to Margaret Hodge, the then leader of Islington Council who went on to become a prominent Labour MP. To their dismay, however, Hodge ignored the duo’s concerns.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3181783/Did-Jeremy-Corbyn-try-protect-fellow-Left-wingers-implicated-paedophile-scandal.html#ixzz4CxdyAJLQ

[Wizard.]

This is why I am considering a career in politics, if I were to become an MP there's no way would I ignore child abuse in my area - it would be a top priority to ensure child safety and that sex traffickers and peodophiles were prosecuted.

[Kizzy]

The hounding is real...
David Cameron has called on Jeremy Corbyn to step down as leader of the Labour party.

The Prime Minister made the call at Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday.

"I have to say to the honorable gentleman, frankly he talks about job insecurity and my two months to go," the PM said in response to a question about job insecurity.

"It might be in my party’s interest for him to sit there – he’s not in the national interest. I would say: for heaven’s sake, man, go!"

MPs of all parties were uncharacteristically quiet during the PMQs session, the first since the EU referendum.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-tells-jeremy-corbyn-to-resign-for-heavens-sake-a7108956.html

[arista]

Corbyn is Staying

[Kizzy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-resign-brexit-margaret-beckett-interview-a7108691.html

Listen to Margaret Beckett here, she seems mortified to be saying what she is saying.... she stood by Blair then during his illegal war, but this is just too far?.... what?

It makes no sense and I'm convinced she was coerced into saying this.

[joeysteele]

This is awful.

Sorry,I like him,I think has some great ideas,I also think he has done the best he possibly could.
I do not blame him for the EU result but I was frustrated at his lack of enthusiasm.

I know absolutely loads of Labour voters who voted to leave,because they foolishly believed a leave vote, would get Cameron out and Labour in.
Not much he could do about that to be fair to him,if that is what they believed and decided to vote on.
However,he didn't even address that and for me some people are not just up to being PM.

I really hope he goes and at least that will allow some of the direction he has taken the party to, to stay in place.
If not and he does stay, no doubt Labour will win in the election when it comes,anything from 150 to 175 seats but that will be disastrous and we will still need the new leader after that, which we actually need now.
There is a massive feeling of impending doom across the party today,this is really,really bad.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is awful.

Sorry,I like him,I think has some great ideas,I also think he has done the best he possibly could.
I do not blame him for the EU result but I was frustrated at his lack of enthusiasm.

I know absolutely loads of Labour voters who voted to leave,because they foolishly believed a leave vote, would get Cameron out and Labour in.
Not much he could do about that to be fair to him,if that is what they believed and decided to vote on.
However,he didn't even address that and for me some people are not just up to being PM.

I really hope he goes and at least that will allow some of the direction he has taken the party to, to stay in place.
If not and he does stay, no doubt Labour will win in the election when it comes,anything from 150 to 175 seats but that will be disastrous and we will still need the new leader after that, which we actually need now.
There is a massive feeling of impending doom across the party today,this is really,really bad.

what is the feeling about a decent successor?

[Kizzy]

This is awful.

Sorry,I like him,I think has some great ideas,I also think he has done the best he possibly could.
I do not blame him for the EU result but I was frustrated at his lack of enthusiasm.

I know absolutely loads of Labour voters who voted to leave,because they foolishly believed a leave vote, would get Cameron out and Labour in.
Not much he could do about that to be fair to him,if that is what they believed and decided to vote on.
However,he didn't even address that and for me some people are not just up to being PM.

I really hope he goes and at least that will allow some of the direction he has taken the party to, to stay in place.
If not and he does stay, no doubt Labour will win in the election when it comes,anything from 150 to 175 seats but that will be disastrous and we will still need the new leader after that, which we actually need now.
There is a massive feeling of impending doom across the party today,this is really,really bad.

I'm not surprised Corbyn is going to out half of them for the warmongering, the party will implode but who cares at this point?

New Labour has not worked for the working man at all, Jeremys vision to me seems viable.

[arista]

[I'm not surprised Corbyn is going to out half of them for the warmongering, the party will implode but who cares at this point?
New Labour has not worked for the working man at all, Jeremys vision to me seems viable. ]



Bang On Right Kizzy

[joeysteele]

what is the feeling about a decent successor?

I doubt I would get who I'd like LT.
Not Angela Eagle for starters but even she would be an improvement on Jeremy as to his style of leadership.

For me a guy like Dan Jarvis would be the best choice now but obviously I'd have to see who threw their hat in the ring.

If this carries on,I haven't a clue where the party could fall to, to be honest.
I also think a split is getting closer if this is not dealt with and quickly.
A split that would do what happened in the 80s and let the Conservative party rule the show for at least 2 decades or more.

[Kizzy]

Mind you if I were corbyn at this point I wouldn't stand in front of windows if you know what I mean.

[joeysteele]

[I'm not surprised Corbyn is going to out half of them for the warmongering, the party will implode but who cares at this point?
New Labour has not worked for the working man at all, Jeremys vision to me seems viable. ]



Bang On Right Kizzy

I think I would bet you really only support him as Labour leader,and want him to stay arista because you 'know' he would lose any general election, and also lose it badly too,to the Conservatives.

[Kizzy]

There really is no reason why he should lose, and how can you be so sure that his successor would win?

Look at Ed, he lost because he looked odd eating a sandwich!!

The media and spin doctors will disregard experience, intelligence, policies and any credible evidence for their manifesto pledges in favour of a well timed photo and a soundbite.

What's the point?

[bots]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-resign-brexit-margaret-beckett-interview-a7108691.html

Listen to Margaret Beckett here, she seems mortified to be saying what she is saying.... she stood by Blair then during his illegal war, but this is just too far?.... what?

It makes no sense and I'm convinced she was coerced into saying this.

There is no way at this stage in her career that Margaret Beckett would be coerced. She is clearly very upset at the whole situation and knows that from a logical standpoint that Jeremy either goes, or the party implodes. Its not difficult to see the writing on the wall.

[Kizzy]

There is no way at this stage in her career that Margaret Beckett would be coerced. She is clearly very upset at the whole situation and knows that from a logical standpoint that Jeremy either goes, or the party implodes. Its not difficult to see the writing on the wall.

So what then? The party needs to implode, it's imploded before when new labour became a thing and she didn't mind..personally I don't think she sounds convinced at all in what she is saying, not one bit.

Logically what are the labour party scared of? He can command 10,000 labour supporters to parliament square at an hours notice, how do you think that support replicates countrywide?

He has the support of the electorate, his MPs are irrelevant....they work for US!

[Kizzy]

Ed now.... :/

suggesting the Labour leader is ousted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ed-miliband-jeremy-corbyn-resign-live-labour-leadership-step-down-a7109091.html

[Kizzy]

Jeremy Corbyn has lost a Vote of No Confidence, with 172-40 Labour MPs voting against him remaining as leader of the party. But celebrating MPs might wish to put the champagne back in the fridge, because this is more likely the beginning of their end, not Corbyn’s.

When Jeremy Corbyn first stood for leader of the party, these MPs told us he didn’t stand a chance. He won with the greatest landslide of any Labour leader in history, including Tony Blair.

In the days after his election, these same politicians told us the party was doomed. Instead, membership of the party doubled, Labour put in a solid performance in the local elections, and pulled ahead in the polls.

This week, they’re saying that Corbyn is unelectable and moving to replace him with another faceless, soulless Blairbot like Yvette Cooper.

Once more, all the signs are suggesting this Westminster cabal is so far removed from the opinion of much of the country that it is almost laughable.

First, there was a massive show of support for Corbyn by Labour members. A petition called “A vote of confidence for Jeremy Corbyn after the Brexit vote” has gathered more than 230,000 signatures in the last five days and continues to rise rapidly. A hastily convened confidence rally outside parliament this week saw more than 10,000 supporters pack out Parliament Square at a moment’s notice to back the Labour leader. Call me crazy, but I can’t think of a single one of the mutinous MPs who could garner that level of reaction. If all of them disappeared in a puff of smoke overnight, it’s likely the country would scarcely notice their absence.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/29/the-labour-coup-is-unravelling-and-will-unwittingly-hand-the-party-back-to-those-who-built-it/

[bots]

So what then? The party needs to implode, it's imploded before when new labour became a thing and she didn't mind..personally I don't think she sounds convinced at all in what she is saying, not one bit.

Logically what are the labour party scared of? He can command 10,000 labour supporters to parliament square at an hours notice, how do you think that support replicates countrywide?

He has the support of the electorate, his MPs are irrelevant....they work for US!

i can only say how i see it, i have no particular axe to grind. But if it goes to a leadership election, and he again wins the vote, he then has 40? mp's that have confidence in him and the rest won't work with him. It's not tenable. If he goes, there is at least a chance that the party can resolve the issue. That's the crux of it to me. The party is not Jeremy Corbyn.

[Kizzy]

i can only say how i see it, i have no particular axe to grind. But if it goes to a leadership election, and he again wins the vote, he then has 40? mp's that have confidence in him and the rest won't work with him. It's not tenable. If he goes, there is at least a chance that the party can resolve the issue. That's the crux of it to me. The party is not Jeremy Corbyn.

The party is not the MPs either, if they won't work with him and for the people who elected them to represent their party they can stand down.

[arista]

I think I would bet you really only support him as Labour leader,and want him to stay arista because you 'know' he would lose any general election, and also lose it badly too,to the Conservatives.



Wrong Joey
I like Corbyns views on Europe when he was Younger.

Paul Mason Told us all He can Win a Election
Ref :BBC2HD 28th /6/16 11AM

[smudgie]

So now one of his newly elected shadow cabinet has stood down.
Poor Pat, she looked so happy at her promoting as well

[arista]

So now one of his newly elected shadow cabinet has stood down.
Poor Pat, she looked so happy at her promoting as well


Sure
But he is still staying


New Labour are Chicken

[bots]

dfjLkWuHZxs

[kirklancaster]

There really is no reason why he should lose, and how can you be so sure that his successor would win?

Look at Ed, he lost because he looked odd eating a sandwich!!

The media and spin doctors will disregard experience, intelligence, policies and any credible evidence for their manifesto pledges in favour of a well timed photo and a soundbite.

What's the point?

Ed lost because he was an utterly clueless dick with all the charisma of a peanut.

[Cherie]

Ed lost because he was an utterly clueless dick with all the charisma of a peanut.

That's unfair to peanuts :laugh:

[joeysteele]

So now one of his newly elected shadow cabinet has stood down.
Poor Pat, she looked so happy at her promoting as well

Yes, however Pat has also stated that she is standing down as an MP even if the election is in the Spring or earlier of next year,
This is due to death threats she has had during the EU referendum campaign and she didn't even go to the count in her area because of them.

Politics is a dangerous place to be at present and the climate from this horrendous EU campaign has left a really sinister stain.

I feel sorry for Pat but she wasn't going to be in the role very long anyway if the new PM actually does the right thing and has an election quite quickly.

Although one wonders what kind of rotten and dangerous campaign that may be too.

[arista]

Tom Watson is not going to stand.

so once New Labour put up Iraq killer Voter Angela Eagle

Corbyn can win AGAIN


Is that OK JOEY

[Vicky.]

Honestly seems like a bit of a witchhunt now :umm2:

They are still citing his lack of enthusiasm during the EU vote as the reason for this. Despite it being planned since before the EU vote :conf:

[arista]

Honestly seems like a bit of a witchhunt now :umm2:

They are still citing his lack of enthusiasm during the EU vote as the reason for this. Despite it being planned since before the EU vote :conf:



Vicky it was planned Months ago
thats why Corbyn was ready to stay still.


EU vote has Feck all to do with it
other than its time for New Labour Return


Unions still back Corybn

[smudgie]

Yes, however Pat has also stated that she is standing down as an MP even if the election is in the Spring or earlier of next year,
This is due to death threats she has had during the EU referendum campaign and she didn't even go to the count in her area because of them.

Politics is a dangerous place to be at present and the climate from this horrendous EU campaign has left a really sinister stain.

I feel sorry for Pat but she wasn't going to be in the role very long anyway if the new PM actually does the right thing and has an election quite quickly.

Although one wonders what kind of rotten and dangerous campaign that may be too.

Yes, poor wman, she had intended not to stand at the next election, all down to the morons that think it is ok to send vile death threats.

[Crimson Dynamo]

tom watson not standing

[arista]

tom watson not standing



Yes I posted that


So New Labour can put up Angela (Kill Iraqis) Eagle

And Corbyn will win. (AGAIN)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes I posted that


So New Labour can put up Angela (Kill Iraqis) Eagle

And Corbyn will win. (AGAIN)

no she aint running either

[bots]

no she aint running either

word on the street is that she will challenge now :laugh:

[arista]

Kizzy on BBC2HD Newsnight
after Crispin Blunt Interview.

Tonight Please Watch it

A Special Report
on Corbyn


Its a Democracy Fight




CORBYN IS STAYING

[the truth]

im backing corbyn all the way, he actually be socialisms last hope in the uk

[empire]

perhaps comrade corbyn and far left labour need is a NKVD secret police to purge the party of blairites who are mps and supporters, and comrade corbyn would agree with me on the plan to set up soviet style gulags for the blairites, who are nothing but warmongers, now some of these things may sound tolatlitarian, but the labour supporters here will understand why it is needed, because look whats happened when comrade corbyn failed to bring in these plans when he was voted in.

[arista]

im backing corbyn all the way, he actually be socialisms last hope in the uk


You Are Most Wise

[joeysteele]

im backing corbyn all the way, he actually be socialisms last hope in the uk

Well from where you have stood in the past,I take your comment above fully on board.
It may actually prove to be a really good thing, despite the bad way things look at present 'the truth'.

A leadership is likely a good move while the Conservatives are having one too.

If as is expected the result is again solidly for Corbyn, outside the parliamentary MPs,then this time they really will have to make this work or go.
Go where however,a new party,remember the SDP, or join the Lib Dems, lose all their identity still.

If Corbyn wins and also if these 2 are the only people on the ballot paper then he will get my vote over Angela Eagle.
Then the party has to get behind him.

I do like him, I have met him and I found him reasonable.
l just hope this new leadership election lances this boil now and clears the air.

If he wins anything like he did last time, then of course I will accept that and get behind him again,just as the whole party should too.

[arista]

Iraqi WAR woman Angela Eagle
has gone Chicken
Is Now Not saying Anything Today

So No Fecking NewBlair Labour
MP brave enough to stand in a Election with Corbyn

[joeysteele]

Iraqi WAR woman Angela Eagle
has gone Chicken
Is Now Not saying Anything Today

So No Fecking NewBlair Labour
MP brave enough to stand in a Election with Corbyn

She is really starting to annoy me, no good electing her, she is going to do one thing one day, say something one day than backs off.
She is becoming a laughing stock herself over this.

[MTVN]

748665017331945472

[the truth]

corbyn can beat teresa may and gove...he wouldnt have beaten cameron, he was way too slippery to lay a glove on.....but these 2 are totally unproven performers under the harshest spotlight. gove will always be unpopular and teresa may seems weak. she may be a tidy home secretary but PM needs greta oratory skills, enormous organizational skills, a complete overview of the whole political system and superhuman energy and strength she has serious diabetes and realistically that will affect her ability to perform in such an insanely demanding role

cameron was a top class pm, the biggest travesty of this mess is that he has had to quit

[kirklancaster]

748665017331945472

:laugh2:

[arista]

She is really starting to annoy me, no good electing her, she is going to do one thing one day, say something one day than backs off.
She is becoming a laughing stock herself over this.


This is due to a Owen Smith
who I think they are putting him up
for Leader. Or he is in charge of Finding someone ????????????

Eagle - was worked out as a loser
as she backs Murdering Iraqis
with Blair.

Owen is not well known.

So Corbyn will Win Again

Best way forward is Corbyn stays Labour
the Blair feckers get a New Party.
But Corbyn stays in his place.

Democracy is behind this

[joeysteele]

This is due to a Owen Smith
who I think they are putting him up
for Leader. Or he is in charge of Finding someone ????????????

Eagle - was worked out as a loser
as she backs Murdering Iraqis
with Blair.

Owen is not well known.

So Corbyn will Win Again

Best way forward is Corbyn stays Labour
the Blair feckers get a New Party.
But Corbyn stays in his place.

Democracy is behind this


Democracy, that has to be the biggest joke of all as to this.

Labour only wants one candidate up against Corbyn and no others at all to have the best chance possible of beating him.

It is not democracy to rig a leadership ballot that way,anyone who wishes to stand once a leadership election is enacted, should be able to if they get the numbers required to put them forward.

How on earth is it any way democracy where you are forced to only select from 2 candidates, one the MPs don't want and the other, one they'd prefer.
That's not democracy at all, so much for choice.
Pathetic.

[arista]

"It is not democracy to rig a leadership ballot"

Sorry Joey
it was Ed Miliband that set this System Up.
Its all his Fecking Fault.

Labour Must Split UP FACT

Ref: 28mins Daily Politics "BBC2HD today"

Corbyn Is Staying

[joeysteele]

"It is not democracy to rig a leadership ballot"

Sorry Joey
it was Ed Miliband that set this System Up.
Its all his Fecking Fault.

Labour Must Split UP FACT

Ref: 28mins Daily Politics "BBC2HD today"

Corbyn Is Staying

He never set it up at all for there to be a forced 'only' 2 names on the ballot paper.
It was never set up either to exclude anyone from seeking elections as leader which is what these MPs are trying to do.

It would serve the party right if these MPs who actually helped Ed Miliband lose the election last year brought about a split in the party.
They didn't get very far in May last year ad I doubt they'd get any further if they caused a split too.

Ending up fading into the political fog like most of the original SDP breakaway pathetic examples too, who sold out their identity to the Liberals..

[arista]

Yes Corbyn does not want the Split Labour Party
but he is staying in place
so its up to what he calls the "right wingers "
to split.

LBC Live Ian Dale talking direct to a mate of the Late Bob Crow.


Also up to the Labour Right Wingers
to put Someone Up to Fight Jeremy
he is staying put.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why is corbyns garden so disgustingly overgrown?

If he cant even tend a tiny wee plot like that how on earth can he lead the uk?

[kirklancaster]

Why is corbyns garden so disgustingly overgrown?

If he cant even tend a tiny wee plot like that how on earth can he lead the uk?

:laugh:

[arista]

Why is corbyns garden so disgustingly overgrown?

If he cant even tend a tiny wee plot like that how on earth can he lead the uk?


Because he can not go outside to Cut it back
due to the Massive Press hanging around

[Johnnyuk123]

Why is corbyns garden so disgustingly overgrown?

If he cant even tend a tiny wee plot like that how on earth can he lead the uk?

Those are not over grown weeds... it IS weed! :pipe:

[joeysteele]

tom watson not standing

Well honestly he is dull as dishwater so thank goodness for that mercy.

[DemolitionRed]

[/B]

Democracy, that has to be the biggest joke of all as to this.

Labour only wants one candidate up against Corbyn and no others at all to have the best chance possible of beating him.

It is not democracy to rig a leadership ballot that way,anyone who wishes to stand once a leadership election is enacted, should be able to if they get the numbers required to put them forward.

How on earth is it any way democracy where you are forced to only select from 2 candidates, one the MPs don't want and the other, one they'd prefer.
That's not democracy at all, so much for choice.
Pathetic.

Its like being given a choice of an STD :shocked:

[DemolitionRed]

Its going through the grape vine that Corbyn's sticking around until the Chilcott Enquiry results come out.

Acording to John McDonnell 60000 new members have joined the Labour Party this week. That is a lot of Corbyn supporters. If he gets the sack, and there is another election, he will most likely win the leadership again.

[_Tom_]

Why is corbyns garden so disgustingly overgrown?

If he cant even tend a tiny wee plot like that how on earth can he lead the uk?

:joker:

[arista]

Its going through the grape vine that Corbyn's sticking around until the Chilcott Enquiry results come out.

Acording to John McDonnell 60000 new members have joined the Labour Party this week. That is a lot of Corbyn supporters. If he gets the sack, and there is another election, he will most likely win the leadership again.


UTTER BLISS

[arista]

Emily Live on ITV1HD Peston
confirmed Corbyn Is Staying

Why the Feck are the New Blair Labour
not putting ANY fecker up?????????????

[bots]

Emily Live on ITV1HD Peston
confirmed Corbyn Is Staying

Why the Feck are the New Blair Labour
not putting ANY fecker up?????????????

because some mp's that resigned from his cabinet have received death threats if they dare to go against him. It would make me think twice

[arista]

because some mp's that resigned from his cabinet have received death threats if they dare to go against him. It would make me think twice


Yes but that Labour Women
has no local support.


So JB is Staying

I now want the Blair Labours
to have a new Party.

[arista]

JB is Staying

Why do all the Blair Labour MP's not Gaffa tape there Gobs.

Put your MP up against Corbyn
or Die

[bots]

JB is Staying

Why do all the Blair Labour MP's not Gaffa tape there Gobs.

Put your MP up against Corbyn
or Die

that's in pretty bad taste given the very real threats some of them have received should they decide to stand

[kirklancaster]

because some mp's that resigned from his cabinet have received death threats if they dare to go against him. It would make me think twice

I agree. Threat seems to be a growing and ACCEPTED trait in British politics right now. I seem to remember something called 'The Law' which made provision for penalising perpetrators of Threat and Intimidation. I wonder whatever happened to it?

[arista]

that's in pretty bad taste given the very real threats some of them have received should they decide to stand


I meant or let the Party Die


Put a Blair Labour MP up
to Corbyn

[smudgie]

I think the legal teams are working around the clock.
According to Neil Kinnock, Mr Corbyn would still have to get a good few MPs to forward his name for him to have a chance of re-election.:shrug:

[joeysteele]

I agree. Threat seems to be a growing and ACCEPTED trait in British politics right now. I seem to remember something called 'The Law' which made provision for penalising perpetrators of Threat and Intimidation. I wonder whatever happened to it?

Its out the window and its against other parties too, Anna Soubry for the Conservatives is very worried as to the state of politics at present.

In fact Nigel Farage has had some rather unpleasant times at the hand of rival supporters.
It is like no one has any respect any more.

This is heading to real chaos for Labour however, some decent MPs are well aware they are under likely threat of deselection in their seats,for their opposition to Corbyn.
Then we have the MP Pat Glass who couldn't go to the count in her area for fear of the death threats she has had.

Politics was always a jungle but now it seems to be sinking right down into a whole new dangerous sewer filled with far more dangerous dangers.
Just because some cannot get their own way.

You are better off being a minority party, just muddling along, virtually unnoticed at the present moment.

The law seems almost powerless to do much either,since identifying those behind death threats is extremely difficult and even more of a problem is what death threats may be meant and what aren't.

What makes things worse is parties squabbling internally, that just makes things worse.

[joeysteele]

I think the legal teams are working around the clock.
According to Neil Kinnock, Mr Corbyn would still have to get a good few MPs to forward his name for him to have a chance of re-election.:shrug:

However, what a mess this is, I am ashamed of the party I am a member of and support.

How credible would it look and in fact be for someone to have been elected as Corbyn was less than a year ago,to have a new leadership election forced but his name not on the ballot paper,if he wanted it to be on.

The new leader would have no credibility whatsoever.I also think a lot of Labour members would not even vote and fill in their ballot papers.
This is ridiculous and Angela Eagle,wrong name she has, Eagles are ruthless and fast,she is faffing on threatening to do all sorts, then does nothing and says nothing either.

Others waiting in the wings wanting to stand but not with Corbyn on the ballot paper.
What a bunch of snivelling cowards.
Then they will want to be taken seriously as an opposition and possible govt.
Absolutely sickening.

Something else too, the MPs are 'not, listening to party members at all either, these failures who helped lose the general election last year for Labour,suddenly think the Country wants them now.
Dream on, but they should clear off or at least do something rather than make their mouths go, while at the same time,none of them wanting to be the one to strike first.

[smudgie]

However, what a mess this is, I am ashamed of the party I am a member of and support.

How credible would it look and in fact be for someone to have been elected as Corbyn was less than a year ago,to have a new leadership election forced but his name not on the ballot paper,if he wanted it to be on.

The new leader would have no credibility whatsoever.I also think a lot of Labour members would not even vote and fill in their ballot papers.
This is ridiculous and Angela Eagle,wrong name she has, Eagles are ruthless and fast,she is faffing on threatening to do all sorts, then does nothing and says nothing either.

Others waiting in the wings wanting to stand but not with Corbyn on the ballot paper.
What a bunch of snivelling cowards.
Then they will want to be taken seriously as an opposition and possible govt.
Absolutely sickening.

Something else too, the MPs are 'not, listening to party members at all either, these failures who helped lose the general election last year for Labour,suddenly think the Country wants them now.
Dream on, but they should clear off or at least do something rather than make their mouths go, while at the same time,none of them wanting to be the one to strike first.

It is indeed an awful mess Joey.
I just can't see a way forward for them as a party at the minute.

[arista]

I think the legal teams are working around the clock.
According to Neil Kinnock, Mr Corbyn would still have to get a good few MPs to forward his name for him to have a chance of re-election.:shrug:


Utter Fool

[arista]

It is indeed an awful mess Joey.
I just can't see a way forward for them as a party at the minute.


Left Wing Corbyn Labour


Right Wing New Blair Labour

Split them up.
It can Be Done

[joeysteele]

Left Wing Corbyn Labour


Right Wing New Blair Labour

Split them up.
It can Be Done

That would be disastrous and hand power to the Conservatives for likely decades,especially with the Lib Dems in the doldrums still.

I agree with smudgie,I cannot see a way forward either, maybe the split will come but that will not in any way be a forward move at all.

[joeysteele]

Utter Fool

No,not n my opinion,he talked a lot of sense this morning.

[arista]

That would be disastrous and hand power to the Conservatives for likely decades,especially with the Lib Dems in the doldrums still.

I agree with smudgie,I cannot see a way forward either, maybe the split will come but that will not in any way be a forward move at all.


No it would Not

At least we know - Who the FECK is who?

[joeysteele]

No it would Not

At least we know - Who the FECK is who?

I know you would probably love to see anything that would have the Conservatives in power almost forever.

Nothing, that would make that more likely would be good in my view or for the Country either.

This split if foolishly it comes,would have that effect and that effect alone,nothing else
Not a good move at all.

[arista]

I know you would probably love to see anything that would have the Conservatives in power almost forever.

Nothing, that would make that more likely would be good in my view or for the Country either.

This split if foolishly it comes,would have that effect and that effect alone,nothing else
Not a good move at all.


Corbyn can Win a Election
you just Lack Experience in all this


The Split is what the Public want.


Labour Corbyn and Unions

New Blair Labour (new name needed) The Hilary Benn Crew

[bots]

the whole concept of the labour party to me is that it is inclusive of people from all walks of life. When it veers off in one direction or another, it alienates a significant proportion of its membership. Splitting the party by political view would be catastrophic to any future ambitions of forming a government. Equally, a leader too biased in one direction, who doesn't acknowledge or listen to the people he works with is a non starter. If you look at Tony Blair, he was able to be successful because he included and listened to people from the left of the party. Corbyn says he is inclusive but his actions say something very different

[arista]

the whole concept of the labour party to me is that it is inclusive of people from all walks of life. When it veers off in one direction or another, it alienates a significant proportion of its membership. Splitting the party by political view would be catastrophic to any future ambitions of forming a government. Equally, a leader too biased in one direction, who doesn't acknowledge or listen to the people he works with is a non starter. If you look at Tony Blair, he was able to be successful because he included and listened to people from the left of the party. Corbyn says he is inclusive but his actions say something very different


Yes but Left Wing - Unions and Corbyn.


the Hilary Benn Blair Labour are not Left Wing

[joeysteele]

the whole concept of the labour party to me is that it is inclusive of people from all walks of life. When it veers off in one direction or another, it alienates a significant proportion of its membership. Splitting the party by political view would be catastrophic to any future ambitions of forming a government. Equally, a leader too biased in one direction, who doesn't acknowledge or listen to the people he works with is a non starter. If you look at Tony Blair, he was able to be successful because he included and listened to people from the left of the party. Corbyn says he is inclusive but his actions say something very different

Excellent points,well said.Wish I had said all that.

However it seems I should maybe just shut up as I seem to be getting told lately by several on here,I seem to know little and lack experience.
I live and breathe politics and have been out there listening to people moaning at what Labour isn't and what it should be, and that they will not vote Labour while Corbyn is leader too.

I am then pleased you sort of see my point that any split would see the Labour movement more likely out of govt for some considerable time at the very least.

I think what is behind things for some, the idea of a split being good for Labour,is only because it would in effect remove major opposition to the Conservatives.