Jeremy Corbyn the Labour Leader: Some Still Against him : a 2nd Jeremy Win 24/9/16

[arista]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/04/jeremy-corbyn-vital-labour-leadership-debate


Owen likes him

[Jack_]

He's right and I hope he gets enough nominations, I've just joined as a member and I'd at least like a plurality of choice between the candidates than there is at the minute.

[MTVN]

Well it's good that he does offer a different perspective - the others are all very similar and even the 'left-wing' candidate in Burnham is actually pretty centrist.

He has no chance of winning though of course

[arista]

He's right and I hope he gets enough nominations, I've just joined as a member and I'd at least like a plurality of choice between the candidates than there is at the minute.


No he is Old Labour
has no chance of winning

[arista]

Well it's good that he does offer a different perspective - the others are all very similar and even the 'left-wing' candidate in Burnham is actually pretty centrist.

He has no chance of winning though of course


Bang On Right

[Jack_]

No he is Old Labour
has no chance of winning

Of course he doesn't and he's probably not even going to get enough nominations. The point is that the debate should be about policies and where to position Labour on the political spectrum. If Jeremy isn't nominated we'll be deprived of a fair, interesting and meaningful debate since the rest of the candidates ideologies are extremely similar and the entire discussion will consist of months of throwing around words like 'aspiration'

[Kizzy]

I'm going to out on a limb and say if Owen likes him I'll like him :laugh:

[joeysteele]

I agree with a lot he says,although I never would a few years ago, and I am all for a good choice of candidates.

Let us see how he does.
I will decide which one of them gets my vote after I hear all they offer and what their vision is for the party.

He may not win,if all get the 35 MPs needed to stand.then 3 of those standing will not either but nothing ventured nothing gained.

[arista]

Of course he doesn't and he's probably not even going to get enough nominations. The point is that the debate should be about policies and where to position Labour on the political spectrum. If Jeremy isn't nominated we'll be deprived of a fair, interesting and meaningful debate since the rest of the candidates ideologies are extremely similar and the entire discussion will consist of months of throwing around words like 'aspiration'


Yes true

[MTVN]

He has until midday to get the support of the 35 MPs he needs. I don't think he will, it's a big ask really and a rule that needs changing if they want more diversity in the candidates

[arista]

He has until midday to get the support of the 35 MPs he needs. I don't think he will, it's a big ask really and a rule that needs changing if they want more diversity in the candidates



Yes Sadly True MTVN

[Kizzy]

Come on Labour :fist:

[MTVN]

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[JoshBB]

I like him. Saw him speaking at an anti-trident protest I went to, and he spoke a lot of sense. Good public speaker too.

[arista]

Come on Labour :fist:


They do not want him, sadly

[Toy Soldier]

... ... ... ... OK, I'm just going to say it. The guy looks like Albert Steptoe. If Milliband wasn't marketable to the public then this would be an absolutely ridiculous idea, frankly.

[MTVN]

... ... ... ... OK, I'm just going to say it. The guy looks like Albert Steptoe. If Milliband wasn't marketable to the public then this would be an absolutely ridiculous idea, frankly.

:joker:

[JoshBB]

Didn't think he'd manage.. congrats Jeremy!

[arista]

He got 35 votes


He is in the Race

[Kizzy]

good for him :)

[arista]

good for him :)


Amazing the amount that came forward in the last 2 hours
this morning

[JoshBB]

Amazing the amount that came forward in the last 2 hours
this morning

I think this could mean one of two things

1) Labour was telling people to nominate him so that the left-wing do not think Labour has moved to the right

2) The MPs wanted it to shock people and have a headline

[MTVN]

Surprised, I expect a lot of MPs backed him even though they don't want him as leader just to have more views represented in the debate. He'll probably do a Diane Abbott now and absolutely flop in the main vote

[Jack_]

Delighted he got enough noms, that's the first thing they've got right :clap1: now we can have a proper debate and one that'll highlight just how much support left wing policies have and how very little Labour are doing to appease them

[arista]

Delighted he got enough noms, that's the first thing they've got right :clap1: now we can have a proper debate and one that'll highlight just how much support left wing policies have and how very little Labour are doing to appease them


Sure
But Burnham
as leader in Sept

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/15/399044/default/v1/adaptive-comp-template-three-way-edit-2-1-762x428.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1502426/left-wing-veteran-corbyn-makes-labour-ballot

[Jack_]

Precisely my point, he will win (but God forbid it's Kendall, awful woman) and it'll prove everything I just said

[arista]

Precisely my point, he will win (but God forbid it's Kendall, awful woman) and it'll prove everything I just said


Yes a strange one

[JoshBB]

Delighted he got enough noms, that's the first thing they've got right :clap1: now we can have a proper debate and one that'll highlight just how much support left wing policies have and how very little Labour are doing to appease them

eg. NHS, minimum wage, lgbt rights

[Jack_]

eg. NHS, minimum wage, lgbt rights

Anti-austerity, re-nationalisation of the railways etc etc

Excited that they'll be a voice championing these things in the debate though!

[MTVN]

Corbyn might appeal to the Labour membership but not to the electorate. In a way the problem facing Labour is a bit like that facing the Republicans in the US - candidates have to appeal to the Labour grassroots to secure the leader position but they then have to phrase themselves in a very different way to win over the country as a whole, or at least to win over those parts of the country that are needed to win an election. I don't think Miliband was too left-wing but I do think he was caught between those two impulses and he never reconciled them. I was reading an article yesterday saying how Blair's success was that he was a Labour leader who didn't look like a Labour leader. The country hasn't elected a 'proper' Labour leader since Wilson in a drastically different time. The only one who really seems to appreciate that is Kendall but I can't see her winning unfortunately. Cooper and Burnham must be the two most uninspiring front runners of a leadership contest in a long long time.

[arista]

[Cooper and Burnham must be the two most uninspiring front runners of a leadership contest in a long long time. ]

Yes MTVN
something Jack must debate

[arista]

Anti-austerity, re-nationalisation of the railways etc etc

Excited that they'll be a voice championing these things in the debate though!


No
they can not go back
to expensive

[joeysteele]

No
they can not go back
to expensive

Maybe not so, if he can get this onto the agenda again,who knows what the future holds especially if the railways continue to get even more expensive and seemingly little done to improve services.

In the election campaign,I found people who felt the railways should be under State control again,some of them not even Labour supporters.
I even found those who felt while Ed Miliband talked tough as to the energy companies,they didn't take him seriously completely because they felt he should be saying they should e back under State control.

Sometimes people get fed up of seeing competition whereby all they get from it is rising prices and little improvements.
Such as the Water authorities in the South even too.

Jeremy Corbyn can open up a new agenda that at this time will look different to what near all the other parties stand for.
He will not win the leadership,he can however open up areas of debate that would normally be taboo topics during it normally.

I like him the more I hear him.

[joeysteele]

Precisely my point, he will win (but God forbid it's Kendall, awful woman) and it'll prove everything I just said

I really don't mind her myself Jack_ .
However having met her,she does, when she talks to you come across in a condescending way and a tone to boot too.

This is a very important choice for the party to make and sadly,the choice is limited in my view.
So they need to really spell out what they really mean as much as just what they will say.

[arista]

Maybe not so, if he can get this onto the agenda again,who knows what the future holds especially if the railways continue to get even more expensive and seemingly little done to improve services.

In the election campaign,I found people who felt the railways should be under State control again,some of them not even Labour supporters.
I even found those who felt while Ed Miliband talked tough as to the energy companies,they didn't take him seriously completely because they felt he should be saying they should e back under State control.

Sometimes people get fed up of seeing competition whereby all they get from it is rising prices and little improvements.
Such as the Water authorities in the South even too.

Jeremy Corbyn can open up a new agenda that at this time will look different to what near all the other parties stand for.
He will not win the leadership,he can however open up areas of debate that would normally be taboo topics during it normally.

I like him the more I hear him.


I am Sure He will Use it alot
but as he can not win
the other 3 will beat him down

[joeysteele]

I am Sure He will Use it alot
but as he can not win
the other 3 will beat him down

You are right.
He knows he has nothing to lose however so can really make an issue of many things as to policies and challenge them on where they stand and what they think.
With him in the contest,I do feel it has taken a turn for the better.

[arista]

You are right.
He knows he has nothing to lose however so can really make an issue of many things as to policies and challenge them on where they stand and what they think.
With him in the contest,I do feel it has taken a turn for the better.


We will see
Burnham is not a Good leader

so Far Brown and Miliband
both put there by dodgy ways
were chucked in the bog


2020
we will see
who all the Leaders
of each Party are
and No BBC Dimbey there

[joeysteele]

We will see
Burnham is not a Good leader

so Far Brown and Miliband
both put there by dodgy ways
were chucked in the bog


2020
we will see
who all the Leaders
of each Party are
and No BBC Dimbey there

I really like Andy Burnham, although I am of the view he should have got it in 2010.
He would have connected better than Ed did I feel.

I am not sure what I think at present,so will wait to see what they say and all the reactions to same.

[arista]

I really like Andy Burnham, although I am of the view he should have got it in 2010.
He would have connected better than Ed did I feel.

I am not sure what I think at present,so will wait to see what they say and all the reactions to same.


Burnham
is Damaged goods
you can have him

Who needs Labour
Feck Em'

[joeysteele]

Burnham
is Damaged goods
you can have him

Who needs Labour
Feck Em'

The Country does and that will be realised sooner than later I hope.

[smudgie]

Awww, it appears he got the nominations he needed at the last minute, all to make Andy Burnham look less left wing.
Tsk tsk, politics is a dirty game.

[arista]

The Country does and that will be realised sooner than later I hope.


There was a Great Report
on Ch4HD News tonight


Showed why Labour is lost.

One Former Labour Women Voter
told them why - Labour no longer represents
the working people.

[joeysteele]

There was a Great Report
on Ch4HD News tonight


Showed why Labour is lost.

One Former Labour Women Voter
told them why - Labour no longer represents
the working people.

She may well have a point but that is not in any way beyond either putting right, or being proven to not actually be the case at all.

[arista]

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/02379/01_15020020_8a37d8_2379064a.jpg

[empire]

this guy insulted working class voters who did not, vote for labour this year, corbyn and labour are living in cuckoo land, labour's biggest weakness is their belief, that they have an entitlement too the working class vote, just because they clam that they are the working people's party, corbyn thinks calling ex labour voters all the names of the day, and still call's himself a socialist, labour deserve to lose the working class vote, there are huge reason's why, they lost this year, their delusional egotist, ways mean that they will never change, and are stuck in their arrogant way of thinking,

[arista]

He was just Live on SkyNewsHD "Murnaghan"


Marr on BBC1 kept saying he wanted Jeremy on.
He should have got his producer
to set up a Live Link in Newcastle
before he went on SkyNewsHD Live


Marr had T.Hunt Labour MP, on
who spoke badly about Jeremy

[joeysteele]

Just maybe someone is needed to really offer a totally different vision for the future of the UK.
In 2020, we may well be out or coming out of the EU,there could be a bigger mess to sort out than any financial mess left in 2010.

Politics swings wildly at times,maybe on a whole new rebuilding role as to where the UK goes out of the EU or building a new relationship post referendum within the EU, it may well be that as in the past, a whole new approach again is supported.

Jeremy Corbyn may yet have a message that will inspire those who would like to vote Labour but who see Labour as just a milder form of the Conservatives,to really go out and vote rather than not vote at all.
There is a lot going on in the next 2 to 3 years.this govts overall majority could be easily gone by then, the EU issue will inevitably lead to some constitutional chaos and if the vote is to leave,then Scotland will be baying again to wanting to leave the UK.

All that will affect the economics of the UK and it could well be the case that anyone looks better than what we have by 2020.
I think the next 4 years at least, are going to be traumatic for this govt and also very exciting too as to how the voters loyalties are stretched and where the political mood swings to.

[arista]

Jeremy Corbyn
is better than Burnham.

[joeysteele]

On paper,a strong,(anti all things Labour),Conservative telling me a labour leadership contender was better than another would have me believing more that the one they didn't 'prefer',(using the term loosely), would be the one to go for.

Then again thinking about it, it may just be you have hit on something and that Jeremy Corbyn, if he was Labour leader, would have a message in 2020,that would reach far more voters overall across the whole of the UK,than just the almost one party Conservative state of the far south of England would like to see.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD now is using a clip of
Marr. BBC : T.Hunt MP having a go

Then there Interview
with Jeremy.

[the truth]

YES CORBYN ALL THE WAY FOR ME

Id LOVE TO SEE US renationalise the utilities and the railways (we can dream) AND THE CROOKS AT BT. WHY SHOULD THEIR MONOPOLY EAT UP THE MARKET. THERES NO FREE AMRKET COMPETITION IN ANY OF THESE SECTORS, ITS A SICK JOKE

lower vat with a view to scrapping it down the line

more levels of income tax rates

social housing (build a load)

pull out of EU but remain as a trading partner

scrap paying housing benefits direct to tenants

build up the ombudsmen and complaints departments in all local government and the nhs....allowing troubleshooters more chance to complain and get problems dealt with...even 50%of doctors in hospitals felt bullied and intimidated by fellow staff members in nhs hospitals

massive investment in the industries...building long term jobs. look reopen the best deep coal mines

look at projects again like the severn barrage scheme....with our winds and high tides, its insane not to utilise them fully to give energy to this little island and makes us less vulnerable to the Russians

masterplan to revive town centres and become less enslaved to retail giants
lower rates, scrap car parking charges etc....reduce dismantled speed bumps and speed cameras that are NOT near schools

more regulations and taxes on bankers also raise ths standards of those companies doing credit checks for banks. theyre stopping the cash flow to good people

stop selling arms to evil regimes, regardless how profitable it is

no more spin and lies, keep spin doctors outside politics. try and tell the truth

[JoshBB]

Jeremy Corbyn
is better than Burnham.

Definitely.

Much less predictable too. Yvette and Andy really aren't anything fresh or exciting, and Liz may as well switch to the tories.

[the truth]

I detest EVERYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE EVIL NEW LABOUR PROJECT....EVEN BEYOND THE ILLEGAL WARS, THE ENDLESS CIVIL SERVICE COVER UPS, THE SELLING US OUT TO THE EU AND THE STINKING 587 PAGE CONSTITUION, THE CORRUPT COUNCILS (ROTHERHAM) THE ABSURD OBSESSION WITH TRIVIAL ISSUES LIKE FOX HUNTING WHICH WAS DEBATED LONGER THAN THE IRAQ WAR? FFS AND THE COUNTRY GOING VIRTUALLY BANKRUPT...BUT TO ME THE BIGGEST SCAM OF ALL IS THE NHS AND THE INFINITE COVER UPS AND COMPLETE CHAOS AND FAILURE. I REJECT THE NOTION THIS IS A DECENT SERVICE...ITS NOT REMOTELY DECENT. THE ONLY GREAT WORK IS DONE BY THE SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS. BUT THEYRE ALL HELD BACK BY THE BILLIONS IN MIDDLE MANAGEMENT AND CORRUPT WASTEFUL NHS TRUSTS....THE SET UP STINKS. THE SERVICE STINKS. THOUSANDS HAVE DIED FROM NEGLECT AND NEW LABOUR COVERED IT ALL UP. WHATS HAPPENNING STILL IN NHS WALES UNDER WELSH LABOUR IS FRANKLY HORRIFYING. PEOPLE ARE RUSHED INTO LETTING THEIR LOVED ONESDIE, WITH BARELY A PROEPR EXPLANATION EVEN AS TO WHY...OVER HALF THE HOSPITAL DOCTORS FEEL BULLIED BY FELLOW STAFF EVEN NOW. ITS A NATIONAL DISGRACE

[empire]

the labour party to this day, abandoned and betrayed the white working class people, with a multicultural ideology that did not work from day one, it did more harm in causing a racial divide, and made it even less possaible for everyone to integrate, labour also sold out jobs to cheap labour around the world, leaving the younger generation with no future, in jobs with stable wages, child neglecting under labour rose pretty high, they weakened the police forces, with making name calling, and posting offensive posts on facebook a more serious crime, they have let british children run wild with there behaviour, and not let parents give them a hard clip round the ear, instead they get the soft treatment with oh, they have behaviour problems, labour have a very anti white, anti english, attitude, and they say that the working class will come back to vote for them, it shows how out of touch they are, broken britain term has a long list on it, under labour,

[the truth]

I agree with every word. new labour were all style and no substance. all front and no back. champagne socialists, sheep in wolves clothes. in the end their populist policies, banning of free speech, pandering to the workless masses to try and keep their vote,selling us out to Europe, bankrupting the economy, deregulating the banks, the endless council and nhs cover ups, the disastrous foreign policies, their dreadful tenure and immoral actions lead everyone to be worse off. they were a bunch of fascist dangerous clowns who couldn't run a market stall

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/7/15/406277/default/v1/thei-1-720x960.jpg

[MTVN]

Definitely.

Much less predictable too. Yvette and Andy really aren't anything fresh or exciting, and Liz may as well switch to the tories.

Corbyn is fresh and exciting? His politics haven't changed in 40 years

[joeysteele]

Doubt he is in the lead, maybe with some sections able to vote but not overall,there are a few sections eligible to vote.
He is probably going to do far better than many thought however.

[MTVN]

The Tories react to the news that Corbyn has taken the lead

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[James]

First and foremost a leader of any major party has to have the backing of its own MPs, so the leader can form policies, and put them to the public under the party name at elections.

Ed Milliband has left the Labour party with a pretty flawed system for voting a new leader which doesn't give MPs much of a say. They could end up with a leader who doesn't represent the views of his own MPs. Which could lead to a split with a new SDP being formed.

[joeysteele]

The Tories react to the news that Corbyn has taken the lead

enI9VbpPegt

I am not that sure it would be necessarily a bad thing.
No one has a clue what the UK will be like in 2020, Europe could be all over the place, the ISIS threat could really undermine govts of all Nations.

The UK could have voted to leave the EU and then Scotland could be baying for another independence referendum in light of that.

A greater constitutional chaos could be in place that would near eclipse any economic problems from 2010.

A whole new vision,as I said before, from someone who has a totally different view as to how the UK rebuilds after that and in light of what are the realities of the time, such as Corbyn, may just sweep a new mood as in decades past.
He is not my choice for Leader at all but I am not now that sure, he would be necessarily the wrong choice.
Especially with the likelihood of another extreme right wing leader of the Conservatives likely in Boris Johnson, George Osborne or if they were really mad the pathetic and useless Theresa May.

[arista]

Doubt he is in the lead, maybe with some sections able to vote but not overall,there are a few sections eligible to vote.
He is probably going to do far better than many thought however.


The Telegraph and Social Media
is urging readers
to Pick J.C
and pay to join
Labour just to make him Win.



Sneaky Plan
to Kill Labour Off

[arista]

First and foremost a leader of any major party has to have the backing of its own MPs, so the leader can form policies, and put them to the public under the party name at elections.

Ed Milliband has left the Labour party with a pretty flawed system for voting a new leader which doesn't give MPs much of a say. They could end up with a leader who doesn't represent the views of his own MPs. Which could lead to a split with a new SDP being formed.


Yes just so long it Kills Labour for Good
we are happy at our workplace.

[MTVN]

I am not that sure it would be necessarily a bad thing.
No one has a clue what the UK will be like in 2020, Europe could be all over the place, the ISIS threat could really undermine govts of all Nations.

The UK could have voted to leave the EU and then Scotland could be baying for another independence referendum in light of that.

A greater constitutional chaos could be in place that would near eclipse any economic problems from 2010.

A whole new vision,as I said before, from someone who has a totally different view as to how the UK rebuilds after that and in light of what are the realities of the time, such as Corbyn, may just sweep a new mood as in decades past.
He is not my choice for Leader at all but I am not now that sure, he would be necessarily the wrong choice.
Especially with the likelihood of another extreme right wing leader of the Conservatives likely in Boris Johnson, George Osborne or if they were really mad the pathetic and useless Theresa May.

Corbyn's vision isn't new at all though. I agree that the world could be moving into new territory but that's all the more reason why 1970s old Labour politics can't provide the solutions. Labour had this debate in the 70s and 80s - Corbyn would just be another Michael Foot. That said I don't think the other three candidates are up to that much either really and none of them are having much of an impact. Matthew Norman made a good point yesterday I think when he said:

Jeremy Corbyn’s candidacy presents a glaring paradox. He is by light years the best candidate, in that he actually believes in things and can articulate those beliefs in a way humanoid life forms can understand...Corbyn’s beliefs, on the other hand, have survived the passage of four decades intact, which is why he is by light years the worst candidate. Those beliefs are noble and sincere, but only about 17 people in this country share his faith in the command economy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/labours-tragedy-is-that-jeremy-corbyn-is-much-the-best-leadership-candidate-10389228.html

I cannot believe that Labour would ever win an election under Corbyn. If he does win the leadership contest - and I can't believe he'd win that either - then I think most Labour MPs really will be hoping that they can get rid of him within a couple of years and have a new face in before 2020.

[arista]

Corbyn is Real Labour


The other 3 are Tory Lite


What a fecking mess

[arista]

"I cannot believe that Labour would ever win an election under Corbyn."


Yes MTVN

thats why so many us
want him as their Leader.

[Ross.]

The Tories react to the news that Corbyn has taken the lead

enI9VbpPegt

:joker:

[joeysteele]

Yes just so long it Kills Labour for Good
we are happy at our workplace.

Labour will never be killed off arista,not that I can see in my lifetime anyway,just as the Conservatives never will too.
Sorry to disappoint you, with the former just as I am a little disappointed with the latter.

[arista]

Labour will never be killed off arista,not that I can see in my lifetime anyway,just as the Conservatives never will too.
Sorry to disappoint you, with the former just as I am a little disappointed with the latter.


We will see

[joeysteele]

Corbyn's vision isn't new at all though. I agree that the world could be moving into new territory but that's all the more reason why 1970s old Labour politics can't provide the solutions. Labour had this debate in the 70s and 80s - Corbyn would just be another Michael Foot. That said I don't think the other three candidates are up to that much either really and none of them are having much of an impact. Matthew Norman made a good point yesterday I think when he said:



I cannot believe that Labour would ever win an election under Corbyn. If he does win the leadership contest - and I can't believe he'd win that either - then I think most Labour MPs really will be hoping that they can get rid of him within a couple of years and have a new face in before 2020.

I agree with most you say but there will be a whole new generation of voters from 2010 in 2010 who to them Corbyn could be the only one with a different message.
Anything different could easily attract if things go badly as to what I outlined before.

As I said, Corbyn is not my choice and I don't think he will win either,even if he was just ahead the 2nd preference votes will deny him that.

In politics however,the oddest things happen and 5 years is an eternity in politics.

[arista]

'Panic Time' For Labour As Corbyn Tops Poll

[Some 43% of Labour supporters would back left-wing MP Jeremy Corbyn
as the party's new leader, a YouGov poll suggests.
The results are a setback for Blairites as their candidate Liz Kendall
is trailing in last place on 11% when people were asked for their first preferences.
Bookies' favourite Andy Burnham was on 26% while the remaining
candidate Yvette Cooper was currently in third place on 20% in the poll, for The Times newspaper.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1523051/panic-time-for-labour-as-corbyn-tops-poll

[waterhog]

come back tony

[arista]

Blair live on SkyNewsHD
is giving a speech in Central London
he just said I would not vote that far left
even if they won.


Joey Blair is Rotten Wood

[the truth]

corbyn WILL win now that lying warmonger blair has backed against him....what an arrogant tosser he truly is
its NOT a matter of simply left or right, that argument is for dumbos
its a matter of looking at each individual issue on merit
fundamentally corbyn does want some redistribution of wealth....he was ferociously anti Iraq war so his judgement was great there...if he is smart enough to see where labour totally failed then he may get my vote. some sectors need to be renationalised , water gas electrics for starters and british rail and the steel and coal industries. its a joke to think any company can afford to maintain the tens of billions of infrasturctures required....in gas water electrics there is NO FREE MARKET NO COMPETITON AT ALL THEYRE SIMPLY FULL BLOWN MONOPOLIES AND PRICE FIXING CARTELS....id also have the monopolies and mergers commission investigate BT. who are attempting to take over the free world

[joeysteele]

Well this battle has really come alive now for sure.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/7/22/407452/default/v3/corbyn-blair-1-362x204.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/22/20/2AC27F0500000578-0-Labour_was_plunged_into_crisis_today_after_an_extr aordinary_poll-m-14_1437593593384.jpg

[Oliver_W]

I don't trust Corbyn. He seems to be pro-Hamas, would he be pro-Islamic so-called-State as well?

[Livia]

I don't trust Corbyn. He seems to be pro-Hamas, would he be pro-Islamic so-called-State as well?

That is a very good question.

[bots]

i would be very happy to see him become the new labour leader. It would make labour unelectable at least until the next leader is chosen

[Livia]

i would be very happy to see him become the new labour leader. It would make labour unelectable at least until the next leader is chosen

This thread is full of good points... and I particularly agree with this one.

[joeysteele]

I don't trust Corbyn. He seems to be pro-Hamas, would he be pro-Islamic so-called-State as well?

No and to be fair to all MPs of all parties, I would dare bet none would be pro Islamic State either.

As for Hamas,as was pointed out by Obama as to his engaging with Iran, he made the vital point,you don't make peace with your friends but your enemies.
Sometimes you do have to deal with and talk to people you would rather were on another planet, in order to make progress in some way.

My own view is Islamic State are beyond reason and I cannot see any govt or any MPs ever wanting to engage with them.

Jeremy Corbyn has been a serving MP for his constituents for 32 years so far,I think that just because his policies don't appeal to some hardline Conservatives,that doesn't make him a terrorist lover or someone who cannot recognise the pure evil that is Islamic State.

Short and selective memories from hardline Conservatives,in the 80s they branded Tony Benn MP a lunatic and dangerous politician for his views on the EU and saying the UK should be out.
Now it is an extreme right wing govt and from the right supporting voters who may in just over 2 years take the UK out of the EU now.

Odd how to some, if a policy is from the left it is madness and dangerous, once it becomes a policy of the right, then it is the only way to go.

I neither think he will be or want Jeremy Corbyn to lead the Labour party but sensationalist cheap shots fired at him,particularly from the right, actually make me warm to him more, due to their unjustified inferences.

Such comments make me personally glad I moved away from that 'right' leaning position as to politics too,really glad.

[bots]

Such comments make me personally glad I moved away from that 'right' leaning position as to politics too,really glad.

Can't say I've ever associated left wing politics with terrorist organisations, and we have had maverick mp's for a long time from both sides of the house with questionable views/allegiances.

Personally, although I don't agree with the current politics of the labour party, I do trust those voting for a new leader not to elect a maverick and even if they did, he has still got to get himself into government and bring his party along with him, so its all a lot of scaremongering.

[Crimson Dynamo]

One tonights LBC leader debate Corbyn won

The others all sounded like labour twonks

[empire]

corbyn will sell this country out for his gold coins, he will do what new labour did too the working class, alienate them, labour are a bunch of deceitful hypocritical low life traitors, they have 20 multimillionaires on the front bench, name me two parties that have more working class mps than they have, and they say we are the working class peoples party, corbyn is now with the gold spoon class people, sorry too say this too the labour supporters but, you won't get a large amount of working class voters that you had in the past,

[joeysteele]

corbyn will sell this country out for his gold coins, he will do what new labour did too the working class, alienate them, labour are a bunch of deceitful hypocritical low life traitors, they have 20 multimillionaires on the front bench, name me two parties that have more working class mps than they have, and they say we are the working class peoples party, corbyn is now with the gold spoon class people, sorry too say this too the labour supporters but, you won't get a large amount of working class voters that you had in the past,



I agree with that in part and the SNP particularly have cleverly scooped up,as to Scottish politics, a great deal of the what would be termed working class vote,more to the point they have also delivered a great deal for them in Scotland too.

However it is not just as to labour where the votes are not like they used to be, the Conservative party now has never crossed in a general election even just 40% of the votes cast,( an almost usual norm for them),since 1992,which is 23 years ago and 28 years by the time of the next election.

It is not desirable in my opinion but it is becoming the case,that govts are being elected with much smaller numbers of votes now.
For me, that is more reason again for discontent among voters.

I actually as a Labour supporter, have no problem at all as to millionaires, no matter what party they represent as long as they show compassion, fairness and justice as to their policy making for all.

[arista]

Now Labour
is trying to get Liz Kendall
to stand down?

So Jeremy can not Win the Contest.


Its Pathetic the In fighting
but this One Old Guy
is the only real Labour MP there.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/7/23/407612/default/v1/cegrab-20150723-095610-95-1-762x428.jpg

Liz Kendall: I Will Not Quit Leadership Race

http://news.sky.com/story/1523948/liz-kendall-i-will-not-quit-leadership-race


I hope Ch4HD News debates all this Live

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/65C5/production/_84435062_028115744-1.jpg


:umm2:

[Kazanne]

Blair wont be happy:hehe:

[the truth]

tony bliar, the man who made it illegal to talk about immigrants, but legal to bomb a million of them?????????????

[arista]

Blair wont be happy:hehe:


He should bugger off to America

[the truth]

yes they say you go to pergutary before you go to hell, so America will do

heres a lovely song for bliar as he heads to hell

Masters Of War"


Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks.

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly.

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain.

You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion'
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud.

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins.

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do.

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul.

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

[Kizzy]

How do you negotiate peace... by warmongering? by selling arms to sworn enemies of the west is the tory way working?

[arista]

Poll: 73% Of Labour Grassroots Want Corbyn

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/7/22/407473/default/v2/corbyn-school-1-762x428.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/7/24/407912/default/v1/corbyn-tweet-1-960x720.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1524590/poll-73-percent-of-labour-grassroots-want-corbyn

[empire]

Labour, won't ditch, 90 percent of there policies, corbyn has brought in the communist party, for large support, which is dangerous for are countries economy, they won't stable are wealth, only overspend it and leave nothing for the public, but high debt, labour are digging there own fate, faster, an faster, labours obsession with equality, and enforcing laws, who step out of line has, fractured a large part of british society, labour have created a paranoid society, in which they are worried about saying the wrong words or having the real opinion, its very unhealthy,

[the truth]

How do you negotiate peace... by warmongering? by selling arms to sworn enemies of the west is the tory way working?

I agree nd new labour did exactly the same....the money is too big for these crooks to resist....as I said earlier new labour made it illegal to talk about immigrants, but legal to bomb a millionof them? INSANE PARTY. I can only pray Corbyn will be a vast improvement and a man with more principle

[arista]

Now some Labour Lord wants the Women to stand down
so his Burnham can win


Ref :SkyNewsHD Live

[the truth]

corbyns socialism WILL work better than blair and browns , why? blair and brown made the rich richer and deregulated them....they got all the money to pay for public services from the poorer working classes with stealth taxes galore. totally corrupt. IF corbyn has some sense fairness and true intelligence. he will see this. raise the top rate of tax to 50%...lower vat which hurts the working classes and hurts their spending power and the economy. pull back stealth taxes, abolish car parking in town centres. tighten regulations on the elite corporations, loosen them on small busiensses to allow them to compete. merge the roads departments in all councils with the gas/water/electric/sewerage...work under 1 umbrella together with 1 budget.
strengthen the ombudsmen to deal with complaints about civil service and nhs cover ups.
slash middle management in the nhs and councils.....pay review for council bosses too.
reward councils who come in under budget, punish those who come in over

get the severn barrage project started, use our tidal nergey, the 2nd highest tides in the world and our wind properly
re nationalise water gas electric and water
and the trains too
set up a working committee looking at our industrial policy. again the steel and coal should always be totally nationalised

[arista]

Democracy in Labour ?


No not at all
as a Labour Lord says the Women
in this race should stand down.


Kizzy & Joey - Labour 2015

[arista]

Jeremy had a good Interview on Marr
this morning BBC1

[joeysteele]

Jeremy always performs well, the difference between him and many others are, he is not worried about putting his foot in it, he says what he really believes and what he stands for.

That is always to be admired no matter who or what side of politics anyone comes from.

He cannot be caught out, no matter how hard interviewers or opponents may try to catch him out, because he knows what he is saying and believes every word he says too.
I really don't know, would he be the disaster as leader it is thought he would be, he may well succeed where others failed badly recently.
He could also have a good 2 to 3 years as leader to show his strengths,'if' he won it, with still time to change the leader when this PM goes before the 2020 election if he was doing dramatically badly as a leader.

[smudgie]

I don't share his beliefs, however I do find him the most honest of the candidates.
He discusses what he really believes in, not what he thinks labour supporters want to hear, unlike the other three.

[the truth]

some of the labour ideologies are idiotic BUT some are more sensible that at first it appears.....privatising everything from the ultilities to trains to phones to post office has been an unmitigated disaster....private is NOT always more efficient especially where theres no real competition in the market

[empire]

labour have no clue in, how too bring wealth into the country,

[the truth]

I want to hear more from corbyn to see is he has some balance

[MTVN]

Three out of four people think Labour is less electable than it was at the May general election, while a new study shows that the party cannot regain power in 2020 by focusing its appeal on left-of-centre voters.

...

The Fabians found that, of the 83 seats Labour needs to gain in England next time, only 26 would be won if everyone who voted Lib Dem or Green this year switched to Labour – requiring an unlikely collapse of both parties.

Taking account of boundary changes which will favour the Conservatives, Labour will need to gain 106 seats to secure a Commons majority of one – 83 in England, 13 in Scotland and 10 in Wales. So at least four in five of the “extra votes” Labour needs to win will be in English marginals.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-less-electable-than-under-ed-miliband-and-needs-radical-rethink-to-regain-power-10420140.html

And that's why it would be RIP Labour under Corbyn

[Crimson Dynamo]

his brother is the weather charlatan Piers Corbyn

:umm2:

[arista]

And that's why it would be RIP Labour under Corbyn



No Let them Elect him
he will have half of his cabinet as women


It will be Fun

[MTVN]

Who would even want to be in his cabinet apart from Diane Abbott

Already there's at least 14 of the 35 MPs who nominated him saying that they don't want him for leader

[arista]

Liz would

[the truth]

cant say im impressed with any of them but at least with corbyn you've got a better idea of what youre getting

[arista]

Amazing Unions
no longer back Burnham.
http://news.sky.com/story/1527269/unison-backs-corbyn-for-labour-leadership

[Unison has announced it will be backing the anti-austerity candidate Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership.

the trade union has tipped Yvette Cooper as its second choice.]

William Hill Betting has Corbyn as winner

[arista]

?v=cMOj1yHgC7Q


A Great Debate
Owen Jones Vs Owen

[Kizzy]

Owen Jones is a ledge.

[arista]

Owen Jones is a ledge.

I agree
A Clever guy

[joeysteele]

Owen Jones is brilliant, I agree with all he says and again what a shocking presenter Kay Burley is.

Look, I will not be supporting Jeremy Corbyn but if he did win the leadership,then I would hope all in the Labour movement would give him the same chance to prove himself that they would have given the others.
There is time, if he was doing really badly,to change him again well before the next election, as did the Conservatives with Ian Duncan Smith.

You know what however, I am more and more coming to the view that as Leader Jeremy Corbyn may do far better than anyone imagined he ever would.
One thing he certainly is,is honest, that could in fact, just carry him a good way to electoral success.

[MTVN]

If you ask me the candidate who is most being smeared in this race is Kendall. Corbyn supporters moan about him being slandered as 'far-left' or 'unelectable' and then just lazily stereotype the others and particularly Kendall as 'Tory-lite' or, worse, 'Blairite' which is apparently the worst insult you can confer on someone these days! Actually listening to Kendall on the radio today she has quite a lot of pretty profound things to say about how to adjust to both a globalised society and also an ageing one and has so many criticisms of Tory policy and how they are going about things.

Makes no never mind to me of course, I think a Labour party led by Corbyn will be hilarious and like watching a car crash in slow motion. But really, for the sake of their party, they should go for anyone but him.

[the truth]

Owen Jones is brilliant, I agree with all he says and again what a shocking presenter Kay Burley is.

Look, I will not be supporting Jeremy Corbyn but if he did win the leadership,then I would hope all in the Labour movement would give him the same chance to prove himself that they would have given the others.
There is time, if he was doing really badly,to change him again well before the next election, as did the Conservatives with Ian Duncan Smith.

You know what however, I am more and more coming to the view that as Leader Jeremy Corbyn may do far better than anyone imagined he ever would.
One thing he certainly is,is honest, that could in fact, just carry him a good way to electoral success.I agree he is the best hope for labour BUT he must be smart and not over controlled or corrupted by vested interests from the unions or the big money players. I like the fact hes an old man and isn't there to become rich

[joeysteele]

I agree he is the best hope for labour BUT he must be smart and not over controlled or corrupted by vested interests from the unions or the big money players. I like the fact hes an old man and isn't there to become rich

I actually do think he has more going for him than against him,I even came across some 17 year olds today,who say they like him too.

Sometimes in politics,the oddest things happen
He has already outlined a lot of what a party led by him would stand for and the policies he would want to try to secure.
Tony Benn and Michael Foot were slaughtered for advocating coming out of the EU,now that is fashionable to think that way.
So things change often surprisingly.

I doubt Jeremy Corbyn could be controlled by anyone but I actually do think he is smart,he is also persuasive, which could even bring into play some policies near unthinkable for the Labour party before but which should have been attempted to consider at least.
Such as looking at the reversal of the privatisation chaos of the gas, electricity, rail and water services.

As for those saying they would not serve in a Corbyn cabinet, given the chance probably most of them,would jump at the opportunity.

[arista]

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/B0B4/production/_84563254_g.jpg

[Kizzy]

I am all for Mr Corbyn however I'm worried that with the current social trend of those who have 2 pennies to scratch their backsides with identifying themselves as tory, even though they are the ones making some of the biggest sacrifices during the next 5yrs then the left leaning Labour leader is going to have a harder time getting through to them than Ed did.
When is it ok to say 'I told you' so btw, after another heat or eat winter?

[the truth]

pls remember WHY LABOUR LOST IN THE 1980S ....it was NOT because people liked thatcher....it was because 1) labour blew it in the late 70s with out of control unions and 2) people were stoked up by a racist right wing media to hate Kinnock and it was because he was TOO WELSH. he was portrayed as a communist welsh wind bag who'd sell us out to communists
I believe re nationalising industries is the key to corbyn beating Cameron....as long as corbyn is middle of the road and sensible on everything else including the mis management of the economy in mid 2000s. he also voted AGAINST THE ILLEGAL IRAQ WAR. this man corbyn isn't in it for the money either
forget the rabid right wing press, this could grow online from the grass roots, he doesn't have the Obama style but he strikes me as a man of principle. hes a bit anti television but maybe that's what we need a serious man who isn't a z list ham actor like blair

[empire]

corbyn is no friend of the working class, he is a marxist, and a marxist would ruin this country as pm, he called ex labour voters racist for voting ukip, he is only there too stop a ship from sinking, thats it, he is pro eu, in the 70s labour did not stab the working man in the back, but they caved in too easily, and in turn, the country was in huge decline, and a vote of no confidence, because the country was stuck in a mass of strikes, black outs, by 1979, that's the reason why thatcher got into number ten, I would not trust labour in running are economy again, after what happend last time under them,

[empire]

labour under blair, failed to get rid of the rip off youth work scheme that forced school leavers, too work for nothing, for five days a week, both the tory's and labour, betrayed the younger generation, for the last 35 years, I think its unfair too label all school leavers, lazy, when they are told that they have too work for nothing, and how can they help pay the bills at home, when I hear middle and upper class students say that the youth should work for nothing, I am thinking that these people are going too be mps, and the torys and labour are really scraping down the barrel, for the parties future,

[Kizzy]

'Jeremy Corbyn is riding high in the polls and new YouGov survey data has shown that a majority of UK adults agree with some of his key policies.

The Labour leadership candidate has pledged to renationalise the railways and energy companies.

New polling data has shown that a majority of 1,707 British adults, surveyed by YouGov between 4 and 5 August, supported this policy.'

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/the-charts-which-show-that-the-british-public-agree-with-corbyn-more-than-youd-think--Z1rzOuZmEl

[joeysteele]

'Jeremy Corbyn is riding high in the polls and new YouGov survey data has shown that a majority of UK adults agree with some of his key policies.

The Labour leadership candidate has pledged to renationalise the railways and energy companies.

New polling data has shown that a majority of 1,707 British adults, surveyed by YouGov between 4 and 5 August, supported this policy.'

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/the-charts-which-show-that-the-british-public-agree-with-corbyn-more-than-youd-think--Z1rzOuZmEl

This could well backfire on the Conservatives and media,were Jeremy Corbyn to win this.
I have said all along he isn't my choice but he will for sure have a different message to everyone else as to policy and it is odd how people already like the sound of the re-nationalisation policies.

I never thought a day would come when I would support re-nationalisation but I for sure do now, as to gas, electricity, water and railways at the very least.
Now 2 leadership candidates are in favour of re-nationalising the railways,Jeremy and Andy Burnham.

It seems a few Conservative MPs are childishly paying the £3 fee now to join and get a vote in Labours leadership election,even a newly appointed Tory peer it seems who is an ex MEP.
How pathetic of them in my view.

2020 is a long way off however, again I say after the likely chaos of the EU referendum,whether the vote is in or out, the Conservative party is going to be probably even more divided.
David Cameron will be clearing off and likely being blamed and criticised very heavily for whatever result has come from the referendum.
Where the UK will need to move on to is very uncertain.

I still say, it may well be a time in 2020, where that alternative way and message, even if it is in part,old resurrected aims as to Labour from the past,could be what really appeals to a majority of voters.

Resurrecting old ideas of Thatchers from the 80s, worked for Cameron and co, so who knows what the UK will be looking for in 2020 and more to the point what will they 'need' to be looking for in 2020 too.
Jeremy Corbyn may just have the message that is looked for by then.

[bots]

Leaders arrive and win because its what the country needs/demands at that moment in time. There is no logic in it. In times of prosperity and success, you wouldn't hear a single call for companies to be (re)nationalised, in times of austerity, anything is fair game and discontent can stem from the smallest of issues.

A week is a long time in politics, 4 years, and its impossible to say who could win. At this stage, we don't even know who the big political players will be at that time.

[Kizzy]

Is the interference in other parties affairs not against the rules? It is certainly real dirty tricks playground behaviour and I hope all those involved are exposed and humiliated.

I support re-nationalisation, yet unfortunately I believe by 2020 everything will be owned outright by other countries and we will be bound by TTIP, taking back control of anything will be an impossibility.

[joeysteele]

Is the interference in other parties affairs not against the rules? It is certainly real dirty tricks playground behaviour and I hope all those involved are exposed and humiliated.

I support re-nationalisation, yet unfortunately I believe by 2020 everything will be owned outright by other countries and we will be bound by TTIP, taking back control of anything will be an impossibility.

I think Labour have identified at least one Conservative MP and the Conservative Peer too who have paid the £3 fee to 'try' to get a vote.
Labour is in its rights to withhold allowing them to actually vote but then also to keep the £3 they stupidly and pathetically paid to try to 'wreck' the process.

Expose the daft Conservative people who have done that and keep the funds paid without them getting a vote seems a really good thing to me.

This does need looking at however for the future, at the very least I think the only way anyone joining should get a vote in a leadership election, is if they have signed up and paid the full years premium in advance as to new members.

[Anaesthesia]

I am a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. However, at this moment I will support any of the candidates in favour of re-nationalisation within certain sectors.

I have not supported Labour since the death of John Smith, I have been waiting for a positive shift to the left again for a leftist party...now we have it, let's go for it, and put an end to all the popularist trendy labour voting.

The electorate is screaming out for something other than all the existing middle of the road parties...and would you rather see positive socialism, or the rise upon rise of hardcore right-wing UKIP policies? Policies that are too far even for the Tories?

[joeysteele]

I am a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. However, at this moment I will support any of the candidates in favour of re-nationalisation within certain sectors.

I have not supported Labour since the death of John Smith, I have been waiting for a positive shift to the left again for a leftist party...now we have it, let's go for it, and put an end to all the popularist trendy labour voting.

The electorate is screaming out for something other than all the existing middle of the road parties...and would you rather see positive socialism, or the rise upon rise of hardcore right-wing UKIP policies? Policies that are too far even for the Tories?



Good post and good to read too.

I agree,it is probably more likely that the electorate want something different and even moreso next time round.

No way would I now want to see hardcore right wing policies,for me there have now already been more than enough of them this last few years.
Which are still in effect failing the UK too.

[Kizzy]

Corbyn is very green, would a left/green collab be that bad?...

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/7/410578/default/v1/guardian-1-442x589.jpg

[The Guardian has an interview with Labour leadership
front runner Jeremy Corbyn who says his campaign has captured the public mood]

[Livia]

Corbyn spoke in Norwich recently. It was described as a major political rally with many people, hundreds of people, unable to get in because it was so oversubscribed. He's being lauded as the saviour of the country by many of the people who attended. Hmmm... same thing happened with UKIP and look what happened to them at the last election.

[Kizzy]

Any rally with lots of people can be compared to UKIP?

[Anaesthesia]

Corbyn is very green, would a left/green collab be that bad?...

That's why he's even more perfect for me. In this country, green policies are generally seen as laughable. In Germany, they are important.

I worked within a green engineering industry for years (Germany - England) and it shouldn't be seen as something hippy and wishy-washy.

[Kizzy]

Of course it shouldn't, how much would the average UK resident save per annum with a biomass burner, boiler and solar as a guestimate?
Why are we so happy to feed into the profits of the big 6? It seems crackers to me that our govt allows this, how can we be consumers on the high street and access other goods and services when we're slave to the energy companies :/

[Anaesthesia]

Of course it shouldn't, how much would the average UK resident save per annum with a biomass burner, boiler and solar as a guestimate?
Why are we so happy to feed into the profits of the big 6? It seems crackers to me that our govt allows this, how can we be consumers on the high street and access other goods and services when we're slave to the energy companies :/

:love:

But we don't recognise this :( We need to.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/7/410355/default/v2/gettyimages-482866564-1-736x414.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/8/410697/default/v2/indy-1-563x750.jpg

[the truth]

corbyn IS onto a winner here. new labour was a disaster. clause 4 should come back , he should fight on the issue of re nationalisation and make his case clearly and loudly ....there is no competition in these markets and it should be re nationalised. you could still franchise some parts if necessary... BUT its essential he also shows he is pro business and middle of the road. he must verbalise the utter failings of new labour and convince the electorate he understands the need to grow small to middle sized businesses....he should also have a masterplan to regenerate town centres...starting with lower rates and abolishing car parking charges all over the place. as for the nhs he must also acknowledge the enormous mismanagement and waste of the nhs especially under new labour. the money needs to go to the front end to get more people scanned and cured sooner. thus saving billions in blocked beds, wrongly diagnosed pills etc
this is the Only way he can fight the privatisation. he should also back camerons plan for a fully operative 7 day nhs. tighten regulation on the massive corporations, loosen them on small business. cut vat in half with a view to abolish it over 20 years. abolish tax loopholes. simplify the tax system, les stealth taxes. grow the economy from the bottom up, put more money in working class peoples pockets ......oh and get medieval of idiots breeding for benefits. he must realise some of these lazy chavs are NOT working class, as they do not and never have actually worked.

[James]

If he becomes Labour leader a lot of Labour MPs will think they are in the wrong party. :shrug:

[Anaesthesia]

he must realise some of these lazy chavs are NOT working class, as they do not and never have actually worked.

Just reminded me of some random prog I saw John Prescott in, where he was interviewing some people who fall into the above category - He asked a girl what class she saw herself as, and she replied "Middle Class"...he looked a little bemused, and asked her why

"Well" she said, "I don't work so I ain't working class am I?"

[arista]

If he becomes Labour leader a lot of Labour MPs will think they are in the wrong party. :shrug:


Yes he has his work cut out.


But the point with him
he is Real Labour Values
the utter truth.

The Other 3 are LabourTory Lite

[the truth]

they shouldstop doing what they think will win an election and go with what they actually believe in....ironically that will in the long term produce better election results as people will start to believe in them again and what they stand for

[waterhog]

the things i want to hear from labor are - tax the rich more - the less well of take out of tax and control immigration.

they are not saying these 3 things loud enough so are not getting my vote.

[the truth]

the things i want to hear from labor are - tax the rich more - the less well of take out of tax and control immigration.

they are not saying these 3 things loud enough so are not getting my vote.

and lower vat, get control of the energy companies, the trains and maybe BT too
and scrap breed for benefits

[joeysteele]

they shouldstop doing what they think will win an election and go with what they actually believe in....ironically that will in the long term produce better election results as people will start to believe in them again and what they stand for

Your post has a very strong ring of truth to it.
I am fully open minded now as to who could be next leader but I more and more get the feeling Jeremy Corbyn could well easily succeed where the others and previous leaders have already failed.

[empire]

if labour supporters, think that this years election was bad, think about the next one which will be ten times more worse, support for the tories, is taking a huge dip, because of the problem at calais port, and where will the disenfranchised tory supporters vote for this time, and it won't be labour,

[the truth]

corbyn needs to look at each issue independely, rather than just be blanket left wing

Take a look at obama. left on many issues, like green energy, investing billions in roads, allowing cheap/free healthcare insurance for poor people, tightening regulations and also huge fines for the corporations....right wing on others like cutting some benefits , cutting state jobs...and middle of the road for lowering taxes and loosening regulations on smaller businesses....hes cleverly tried to redevelop a more balanced economy and I for one think hes done a pretty damn good job.

[empire]

corbyn is an older version of ed miliband, labour are a pro mass immigration party, in the future, there will be four main parties, with a hung parliament, that will not benefit the two main parties, the tory and labour hold in the north and south, is starting too crack, because the majority of the british public have grown tried of the two parties, what really has put the final nail in the coffin of the labour party, is the child grooming in the north, the parties hold in the north is down too block voting, by people from a different background, when corbyn, an liz kendall, banged on about the party must be pro eu, what the hell is the working man in this country, getting out of that, nothing, labour supporters are going too have to admit that, you lost the working class vote a long time ago, and you won't get it back ever again, labours pro terrorist attitude, also has to be looked at, corbyn is pro IRA, just like blair, he would pander in a big room that would demand gender separation, just like what ed miliband would do in a heart beat, labours biggest weakness was, making mr blair into a god like leader, and not questioning him in the wrong things he did too this country, why is the party stuck in a bubble, and can't tell why they lost in scotland, and why snp, and ukip are building a mass support ground, in their strongholds, labours multiclturalism plan has back fired on the country, labour made the green light too kids company, to give money too kids, and they could by anything they want, even drugs,

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/10/411052/default/v2/thetimes-front-page-11august2015-1-563x750.jpg

[arista]

Owen Jones - Toby Young
last night on Ch4HDnews

Video Here Very Dramatic Last Word by Toby
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/12/owen-jones-toby-young-corbyn-labour-leadership-contest_n_7975666.html

Michael Crick (of Ch4news)on Twitter
[Toby Young is now on #C4News saying
he tried to vote in leadership
ballot confine Lab to oblivion.
His father wrote Labour's 1945 manifesto]

[arista]

Feck Me

Mark Steele (a left winger)
was stopped from voting for Corbyn
in todays Independent paper.

Ref: Ch5HD : papers review Live


who is in charge of blocking people
Burnham?


Democracy In Labour Party - having trouble finding it.

[arista]

Jack Straw does not
know what Jeremy is thinking.


http://news.sky.com/video/1535144/corbyn-not-good-enough-for-leader


The more they attack him
the more they get more backers for him

[arista]

Ch4HD News Live
was due to Speak Live but he has not come
of his Mega Rally in Scotland

So Live we have a Loser Liz Kendal
in 4rth place
who said she knows he is in the lead
but will not stand down


If he gets so much on the First Vote
that 2nd vote will not be needed



Utter Bliss

[Crimson Dynamo]

over the last 2 days I have had the misfortune to listen to long interviews with the 3 other candidates and frankly they are bloody awful


and i mean awful


Even the bloke one (I forget his name) was monstered by of all people Jeremy Vine today

as for Kendall and the other lady - smh ...please no

its a sh1tfest

[Northern Monkey]

Labour are basically fecked!If he(Corbyn) wins they could split.

[arista]

over the last 2 days I have had the misfortune to listen to long interviews with the 3 other candidates and frankly they are bloody awful


and i mean awful


Even the bloke one (I forget his name) was monstered by of all people Jeremy Vine today

as for Kendall and the other lady - smh ...please no

its a sh1tfest



Yes Kendall
makes up stuff on the fly
no wonder she is Bottom of the 3 Tory Lites

[arista]

Labour are basically fecked!If he(Corbyn) wins they could split.


No Split
this time just be Angry back benchers
after the Mega Change

[Northern Monkey]

I could'nt see him winning a GE with his policies unless by 2020 the geo-political situation has changed dramatically.All his good policies would be over shadowed by his irresponsible ones(in the current climate).The world is not getting any safer and immigration is not getting any better.The type of country that Corbyn dreams of just is'nt feasable in the world we live in.I also believe that suppose the Torries do get us out of the deficit that he would put us right back in it again and in the more likely event that they don't then he would not do anything to help get the country back on its feet but would put us in even more hot water.I'm no Tory by any means but the country does'nt currently need airy fairy policies but realistic ones.Corbyn imo is too far left for us now.We don't live in his world.

[arista]

I could'nt see him winning a GE with his policies unless by 2020 the geo-political situation has changed dramatically.All his good policies would be over shadowed by his irresponsible ones(in the current climate).The world is not getting any safer and immigration is not getting any better.The type of country that Corbyn dreams of just is'nt feasable in the world we live in.I also believe that suppose the Torries do get us out of the deficit that he would put us right back in it again and in the more likely event that they don't then he would not do anything to help get the country back on its feet but would put us in even more hot water.I'm no Tory by any means but the country does'nt currently need airy fairy policies but realistic ones.Corbyn imo is too far left for us now.We don't live in his world.



I am not Sure of That
I have seen so many young people who do not
do Politics, back him.
Even in Scotland - Right Now


Burnham will be his Deputy leader.



E. Cooper
L.Kendal.
Angry Back Benchers

[Kizzy]

Speak for yourself, I think a lurch to the left is long overdue.... Where's it written that is has to be bad for business to be left leaning, that seems to be the only argument they have on the right of the party.

[Northern Monkey]

I am not Sure of That
I have seen so many young people who do not
do Politics back him.
Even in Scotland - Right Now


Burnham will be his Deputy leader.



E. Cooper
L.Kendal.
Angry Back BenchersYoung people don't make up the majority of the vote though.Also they will have had time to grow up abit by 2020 and become more realistic:laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

Speak for yourself, I think a lurch to the left is long overdue.... Where's it written that is has to be bad for business to be left leaning, that seems to be the only argument they have on the right of the party.

Because although a lot of his ideas seem nice and would be in an ideal world,Imo we are not in that world yet and the economy imo is not ready for a hard anti-austerity approach(which is what it would be and what he would need to displace the Tories with the hard left vote)He would scare businesses off.Unfortunately chasing unscrupulous companies for tax and increasing tax on the rich too much can have an adverse effect when they take their business elsewhere.That has imo to be phased in as the country gets more stable.Realism over idealism.
I think a leader with more realistic aspirations will fayre(fair?)better.

[arista]

Young people don't make up the majority of the vote though.Also they will have had time to grow up abit by 2020 and become more realistic:laugh:


Yes so he has got a Busy 4 and bit years.


Corbyn Vs Osborne in 2020 for PM
who would you back?

[Northern Monkey]

Yes so he has got a Busy 4 and bit years.


Corbyn Vs Osborne in 2020 for PM
who would you back?

Neither:laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

I think after the Tories have finished squeezing us as hard as they can then a more centre ground realist Labour leader could win.I think Corbyn could be too far left.Specially if there is still an issue with immigration and global threats such as Russia and ISIS/Other terrorist groups.Those issues could sway in favour of the Torries over a Corbyn lead Labour party.

[joeysteele]

I am not Sure of That
I have seen so many young people who do not
do Politics, back him.
Even in Scotland - Right Now


Burnham will be his Deputy leader.



E. Cooper
L.Kendal.
Angry Back Benchers

Andy Burnham cannot be his deputy leader if Jeremy Corbyn won.

There is a separate election for deputy leader too going on.

Whoever wins this, will have the next 3 years only to be showing how strong and good a leader they are,if Labour is stuck in the doldrums, then another leadership election will be triggered,most likely when David Cameron stands down as Conservative leader.

In fact,I just about really believe now, that whoever wins this is only a sort of caretaker leader anyway, the hope being that Dan Jarvis or Chukka Ummunah may well throw up a challenge in around 3 years time, after the EU referendum.

[arista]

Corbyn For the next election

I say.

[arista]

Andy Burnham cannot be his deputy leader if Jeremy Corbyn won.

There is a separate election for deputy leader too going on.

Whoever wins this, will have the next 3 years only to be showing how strong and good a leader they are,if Labour is stuck in the doldrums, then another leadership election will be triggered,most likely when David Cameron stands down as Conservative leader.

In fact,I just about really believe now, that whoever wins this is only a sort of caretaker leader anyway, the hope being that Dan Hodges or Chukka Ummunah may well throw up a challenge in around 3 years time, after the EU referendum.


More Tory Lite
Joey

[joeysteele]

More Tory Lite
Joey

That may well be true, I disagree with that view,however for sure Dan Hodges would walk a leadership election and I think Chukka would do really well too.

A lot will change in 3 years,whoever wins this in September, has to really have Labour in a strong winning position in 3 years to have any hope at all of staying on as leader.

[Northern Monkey]

Andy Burnham cannot be his deputy leader if Jeremy Corbyn won.

There is a separate election for deputy leader too going on.

Whoever wins this, will have the next 3 years only to be showing how strong and good a leader they are,if Labour is stuck in the doldrums, then another leadership election will be triggered,most likely when David Cameron stands down as Conservative leader.

In fact,I just about really believe now, that whoever wins this is only a sort of caretaker leader anyway, the hope being that Dan Hodges or Chukka Ummunah may well throw up a challenge in around 3 years time, after the EU referendum.That makes sense.You could be right there.

[arista]

I agree with a lot he says,although I never would a few years ago, and I am all for a good choice of candidates.

Let us see how he does.
I will decide which one of them gets my vote after I hear all they offer and what their vision is for the party.

He may not win,if all get the 35 MPs needed to stand.then 3 of those standing will not either but nothing ventured nothing gained.



Yes Joey
from the First page
He has done so well
he will Win with a Massive amount.

He has a Vision to get Industry Going.

[joeysteele]

Yes Joey
from the First page
He has done so well
he will Win with a Massive amount.

He has a Vision to get Industry Going.

Undoubtedly, he has opened up the debate of this leadership election and also made it a real contest.

I get infuriated by other Labour party members who say he shouldn't win,he has every right to stand and win if the eligible party supporters deciding same vote for him.
I will probably not be voting for him because I really do not believe that he can reach the voters of the South particularly that Labour will need at least more of to win an election.

However, he could begin to help the pulling back of support in Scotland,his message as to policies, reaches many there.
Politics is unpredictable and odd most of the time,it could quite easily be his message is the one that stands out in 2020 and somehow gets the turnaround as to votes.

Full credit to him however, for opening up this leadership election and not making it one where everyone is careful of what they say or worse still being only a stage managed affair.

[arista]

Undoubtedly, he has opened up the debate of this leadership election and also made it a real contest.

I get infuriated by other Labour party members who say he shouldn't win,he has every right to stand and win if the eligible party supporters deciding same vote for him.
I will probably not be voting for him because I really do not believe that he can reach the voters of the South particularly that Labour will need at least more of to win an election.

However, he could begin to help the pulling back of support in Scotland,his message as to policies, reaches many there.
Politics is unpredictable and odd most of the time,it could quite easily be his message is the one that stands out in 2020 and somehow gets the turnaround as to votes.

Full credit to him however, for opening up this leadership election and not making it one where everyone is careful of what they say or worse still being only a stage managed affair.


Yes at the last Election Cameron
went off script and started swearing
at the Miliband and Russel Brand.


It was great
thats what we need.

Jeremy is Tougher
than the 3 Tory Lites

[arista]

Speak for yourself, I think a lurch to the left is long overdue.... Where's it written that is has to be bad for business to be left leaning, that seems to be the only argument they have on the right of the party.


Corbyn speaks of Industry
that I like

[Crimson Dynamo]

His brother is a well known weather charlatan

It really is a mess

[Kizzy]

Before the launch of his “better business” plan, Corbyn said he would champion entrepreneurs and small businesses. “The current government seems to think ‘pro-business’ means giving a green light to corporate tax avoiders and private monopolies. I will stand up for small businesses, independent entrepreneurs, and the growing number of enterprises that want to cooperate and innovate for the public good.

“My ‘Better Business’ plan will level the playing field between small businesses and their workers who are being made to wait in the queue behind the big corporate welfare lobby the Tories are funded by and obsessed with.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/15/jeremy-corbyn-pledge-pro-business-back-entrepreneurs

[MTVN]

Labour leadership hopeful Jeremy Corbyn has said he forgot meeting a controversial Lebanese activist.

He initially said he had no idea who Dyab Abou Jahjah was, but later said he must have forgotten meeting him in 2009.

Mr Abou Jahjah is banned from the UK over his views on the Middle East.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33991920

Corbyn seems to be a mixture of George Galloway and Tony Benn but lacks the charisma of either, the Tories are going to have so much ammo to throw at him if he becomes leader

[Kizzy]

He had a meeting with an activist... when he's selling arms to despots you should worry *cough* tory *cough*

[joeysteele]

Corbyn seems to be a mixture of George Galloway and Tony Benn but lacks the charisma of either, the Tories are going to have so much ammo to throw at him if he becomes leader

I agree with most of what you say MTVN.
I myself, cannot see Jeremy Corbyn appealing enough to the one party state there almost is now in the far South of England,that near dictates not only policy but also who is the govt of the whole of the rest of the UK now.

However,I can see him actually winning back past Labour voters from UKIP, and even moreso starting to get the message to and pull back some support from the SNP as well.
If he could even achieve those 2 things, then this govt could find itself in trouble should that success come to fruition.
Can I see him winning an election outright, not at this time and I still doubt in the future too.

However,whatever the Conservatives rightly or wrongly throw at him, he for sure will be able to fire loads back at them and it does seem, he is seen as a man of integrity by a good number of voters now for his performance in this leadership election, so he will be more likely to be believed in such scenarios.

[JoshBB]

I think Jeremy Corbyn would be amazing, he's one of the most honest and down to earth leadership contenders in a while, and I can vote for the first time in 2020, if he wins then I am almost definitely going to vote labour (despite being a member of the green party).

I know a lot of people my age are excited about him too. He's just offering common-sense policies that are not only pratical but also compassionate, many of which are already in place in Germany and the Scandinavian countries.

[bots]

I will refer to the complete failure of Michael Foot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Foot

Similarly to the left of the labour party and ended up a complete failure. The press will attack Corbyn each and every day that he is leader of the party. It will be unrelenting.

[empire]

the problem with the leftwing, in britain, is that, they would sell are way of life too the highest bidder, and would give a token of appeasement, for their marxist cause, labour will never get rid of the enforced political correct, multiculturalist policy, that has turned us into a banana republic, labour wants mass-immigration, and too enforce eu membership, beyond the european border, this will backfire badly, and will end up having ethnic civil wars, that would make bosnia and ukraine look like a small skirmish, corbyn and labour are in huge denial about the bad decisions, that the party made, and they are a party that is stuck in a cement of their own ideologies, I think they are heading for a lib dem style election, because they refuse to ditch their marxist blair ideologies, that have not benefited the hard working british people,

[joeysteele]

I think Jeremy Corbyn would be amazing, he's one of the most honest and down to earth leadership contenders in a while, and I can vote for the first time in 2020, if he wins then I am almost definitely going to vote labour (despite being a member of the green party).

I know a lot of people my age are excited about him too. He's just offering common-sense policies that are not only pratical but also compassionate, many of which are already in place in Germany and the Scandinavian countries.

I have to say I am surprised at how many people of 16 to 17 there are who are like Jeremy and say they would vote for him.
What you have said in your post,is what I am hearing a lot now from those who will have a vote in 2020.

[joeysteele]

I will refer to the complete failure of Michael Foot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Foot

Similarly to the left of the labour party and ended up a complete failure. The press will attack Corbyn each and every day that he is leader of the party. It will be unrelenting.

I do think all you say is correct.

However, this is I think a world away from the election of Michael Foot in the 80s.
The press reigned supreme at that time almost and he was advocating policies virtually no other party would even entertain.
It resulted in a split in the Labour party but this time really, there is nowhere for any disgruntled MPs to go to now.

No one in their right mind would now want to join forces with the Lib Dems, after them propping up one of the most heartless govts since 2010 to 2015 and then following the massive rejection of the Lib Dems in the last election.

The re-nationalising idea of Gas,Electricity, Rail and water services,does seem to carry some weight with a lot of voters.
Even in the far South,I find a great deal of discontent with the way the water companies fail to invest and keep on top of problems.

The EU will not be the issue it was in 2015,with a decision made so that will be off the agenda.
There may just actually be little for the press to really justify against Jeremy Corbyn and somehow I feel they may get a backlash were they to only make it really personal as they did against Michael Foot ad Neil Kinnock.

So it could more likely be that those unhappy with the leadership election result just have to get on and all work together against this govt.
I think Jeremy would also be more likely to have his front team out there making the arguments and not controlling all by and for himself.

He will,were he to be elected leader,and 'if' still be there more importantly at the 2020 election,be the one with a whole new message for the future,built on ways of the past.
It does seem less and less now feel that privatisation of the utilities services was a good thing with hindsight,he may just really strike a chord on that and again more importantly be believed to be able to do something about reversing it.

In 2020,the UK will either be having to really alter and plan the new way of working and healing the rifts in the EU if the UK votes to remain in,or,in my view disastrously,have a whole new plan for the UKs future if the vote is to leave the EU.
It may just be at that time, it is the time to have radical and big change which possibly only he and Labour will be offering at that point.
Regardless of the press who often will blow where the wind is blowing anyway hence the Sun coming out for Tony Blair in 3 elections,which they never likely would have done for any other leader of the Labour party.

I really don't know how things will go,I am of the ever growing view that maybe a Jeremy Corbyn leadership would not be the disaster many think or even hope it will be.
He may just confound all the critics and he can come across as very persuasive,especially when he never avoids questions on anything.

[bots]

I do think all you say is correct.

However, this is I think a world away from the election of Michael Foot in the 80s.
The press reigned supreme at that time almost and he was advocating policies virtually no other party would even entertain.
It resulted in a split in the Labour party but this time really, there is nowhere for any disgruntled MPs to go to now.

No one in their right mind would now want to join forces with the Lib Dems, after them propping up one of the most heartless govts since 2010 to 2015 and then following the massive rejection of the Lib Dems in the last election.

The re-nationalising idea of Gas,Electricity, Rail and water services,does seem to carry some weight with a lot of voters.
Even in the far South,I find a great deal of discontent wit the way the water companies fail to invest and keep on top of problems.

The EU will not be the issue it was in 2015,with a decision made so that will be off the agenda.
There may just actually be little for the press to really justify against Jeremy Corbyn and somehow I feel they may get a backlash were they to only make it really personal as they did against Michael Foot ad Neil Kinnock.

So it could more likely be that those unhappy with the leadership election result just have to get on and all work together against this govt.
I think Jeremy would also be more likely to have his front team out there making the arguments and not controlling all by and for himself.

He will,were he to be elected leader,and 'if' still be there more importantly at the 2020 election,be the one with a whole new message for the future,built on ways of the past.
It does seem less and less now feel that privatisation of the utilities services was a good thing with hindsight,he may just really strike a chord on that and again more importantly be believed to be able to do something about reversing it.

In 2020,the UK will either be having to really alter and plan the new way of working and healing the rifts in the EU if the UK votes to remain in,or,in my view disastrously,have a whole new plan for the UKs future if the vote is to leave the EU.
It may just be at that time, it is the time to have radical and big change which possibly only he and Labour will be offering at that point.
Regardless of the press who often will blow where the wind is blowing anyway hence the Sun coming out for Tony Blair in 3 elections,which they never likely would have done for any other leader of the Labour party.

I really don't know how things will go,I am of the ever growing view that maybe a Jeremy Corbyn leadership would not be the disaster many think or even hope it will be.
He may just confound all the critics and he can come across as very persuasive,especially when he never avoids questions on anything.

What I find interesting about the lets nationalise everything debate is that it has gained a lot of traction with the young, and those are the very ones that did not experience those industries when they were previously nationalised. They could only be described as dreadful, dreadful, dreadful.

I have no issues with certain industries and services being nationalised, but it needs to be a new form of nationalisation. One that brings with it accountability, targets, etc etc etc. We just cannot afford a whole series of money pits like we had previously.

[joeysteele]

What I find interesting about the lets nationalise everything debate is that it has gained a lot of traction with the young, and those are the very ones that did not experience those industries when they were previously nationalised. They could only be described as dreadful, dreadful, dreadful.

I have no issues with certain industries and services being nationalised, but it needs to be a new form of nationalisation. One that brings with it accountability, targets, etc etc etc. We just cannot afford a whole series of money pits like we had previously.



I agree with all that in your second paragraph.

Oddly enough, it is a personal view thing obviously, I wasn't around when we had the state run utility industries, however my Parents who were,just to mention 2,now believe that privatisation was the biggest con to the consumers ever and they both would,with all the faults there were, prefer to see the utility services back under state control too.

Swings and roundabouts I guess.
However if they could be run for investment,overheads and a small profit,rather than lining the pockets of the foreign owners of the utility services,then I would be all for it.
Also we would know then who to get at if prices rocketed too as they have been for many years since privatisation.
I think Jeremy Corbyn strikes a chord with an ever growing number of people on this issue.

Already too, Andy Burnham has stated, as he has believed too for some time, as to re-nationising the railways.
This is an issue that could be seen as a challenge and a step worth taking,who else other than Corbyn may be offering that.

5 years is an eternity,he has a good while to prepare and convince people of all his ideas and plans,were he to win the leadership.
The UK could be in total chaos by 2020,depending on the EU result and then whatever may be demanded from the Scottish parliament after that too.

[Kizzy]

What I find interesting about the lets nationalise everything debate is that it has gained a lot of traction with the young, and those are the very ones that did not experience those industries when they were previously nationalised. They could only be described as dreadful, dreadful, dreadful.

I have no issues with certain industries and services being nationalised, but it needs to be a new form of nationalisation. One that brings with it accountability, targets, etc etc etc. We just cannot afford a whole series of money pits like we had previously.

Why were these utilities and railways attractive to the private sector? Because they were lucrative, they weren't running as a cartel whilst nationalised, a nice balance somewhere in the middle would turn a profit without exploiting both the workforce and the public.

[JoshBB]

Corbyn said that he wanted the rails nationalised adding "it should be run by the people, for the people". He also criticised the way that they were national previously, if i remember correctly.

I mean, surely it's better to have profit going back into the service (or the NHS or something) to improve it rather than an already rich person's pocket?

[erinp5]

I am about to vote online :thumbs:

security code part one and two and... it's done

[lostalex]

i wish tony blair could be labour leader again, he was good.

[JoshBB]

i wish tony blair could be labour leader again, he was good.

um???? iraq war???

i hope this is sarcastic

[kirklancaster]

He had a meeting with an activist... when he's selling arms to despots you should worry *cough* tory *cough*

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[arista]

He had a meeting with an activist... when he's selling arms to despots you should worry *cough* tory *cough*


Yes a few days back he cleared
it up On a Exclusive Ch4HDNews
interview.

He has been around all sorts
thats why he is Far better
than the 3 LabourTory Lites

[JoshBB]

Yes a few days back he cleared
it up On a Exclusive Ch4HDNews
interview.

He has been around all sorts
thats why he is Far better
than the 3 LabourTory Lites

Definitely

I mean the whole point of opposition is to propose something different, not a watered down version of the party in power. Who would vote for that??

[arista]

Definitely

I mean the whole point of opposition is to propose something different, not a watered down version of the party in power. Who would vote for that??



Nice To have you back JoshBB
thats what I told Joey
we must have a Clear Blue water
between Conservative and Labour
they are not meant to be the same.

[JoshBB]

Nice To have you back JoshBB
thats what I told Joey
we must have a Clear Blue water
between Conservative and Labour
they are not meant to be the same.

Yes exactly. When the two parties try to imitate each other it really makes people wonder what the point in voting is

[lostalex]

um???? iraq war???

i hope this is sarcastic

you've never made a mistake?

and either way the world is better without Sadam. At least we gave the iraqi's an opportunity to have democracy. it's not our fault they ****ed it up.

[arista]

you've never made a mistake?

and either way the world is better without Sadam. At least we gave the iraqi's an opportunity to have democracy. it's not our fault they ****ed it up.


No it was a Falsehood
total corruption to help GW Bush,
Blairs mate

[lostalex]

No it was a Falsehood
total corruption to help GW Bush,
Blairs mate

no, Sadam was pretending to have WMDs , bush and blair called his bluff.

[the truth]

alex trolling again so tedious

[JoshBB]

Oh jesus.. Harriet Harman has apparently been expelling huge amounts of labour voters that have voted Corbyn, excusing it as "members who do not support party values" or something. What kind of democracy is this?

[Kizzy]

oo eck.. do you have a link to that Josh?

[arista]

Oh jesus.. Harriet Harman has apparently been expelling huge amounts of labour voters that have voted Corbyn, excusing it as "members who do not support party values" or something. What kind of democracy is this?


Yes but she has also stopped
Left wingers from the Guardian
Big Errors

[joeysteele]

Hmm,if this is so, she will need to be able to legitimise the party doing so by being able to prove there is something dubious as to the votes.
I mean there have been a Conservative peer and even a Conservative MP paying the £3 to be able to vote in the leadership election, purposely to vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I am astonished anyone connected to the Conservative party would be so childish and pathetic to get involved in this at all anyway.
I am a Labour member and would never want to be associated with any function as to the Conservative party,leadership election or otherwise.

The payment of just £3 was a bad idea of Ed Milibands,I would have limited voting to those paying the full years fee to be a member and not entertain these daft game playing idiots who only want to scupper the process or ruin the Labour party.

If those are the votes the party have been looking at and discounting, then I am all for that.

[arista]

[the Conservative party would be so childish and pathetic to get involved in this at all anyway.]


No Joey it the open market thinking
Pay just £3 and vote in JC
I fully understand any Conservatives voting

Its Labours System

[JoshBB]

Hmm,if this is so, she will need to be able to legitimise the party doing so by being able to prove there is something dubious as to the votes.
I mean there have been a Conservative peer and even a Conservative MP paying the £3 to be able to vote in the leadership election, purposely to vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I am astonished anyone connected to the Conservative party would be so childish and pathetic to get involved in this at all anyway.
I am a Labour member and would never want to be associated with any function as to the Conservative party,leadership election or otherwise.

The payment of just £3 was a bad idea of Ed Milibands,I would have limited voting to those paying the full years fee to be a member and not entertain these daft game playing idiots who only want to scupper the process or ruin the Labour party.

If those are the votes the party have been looking at and discounting, then I am all for that.

I can understand expelling conservatives that are only joining to mess around, I mean that's their biggest rival.. but people who have supported other parties in the past but now see something exciting about Labour (a lot of greens, UKIPs, some libdems, and even some tories fit that definition) really shouldn't be removed. It's not fair and I view it as corrupt to discount their votes.

[Kizzy]

They did it to attempt to scupper the democratic process, it's seen as a jolly jape as it's the tories but in essence it's dirty tricks and bad politics.
I hope he wins and I hope he goes on to win in 2020 that'll wipe the smiles off the smug twonks.

[JoshBB]

They did it to attempt to scupper the democratic process, it's seen as a jolly jape as it's the tories but in essence it's dirty tricks and bad politics.
I hope he wins and I hope he goes on to win in 2020 that'll wipe the smiles off the smug twonks.

I also wonder how they will discount votes after they have been cast since people already have ballots, since they are meant to be secretive how will they know? That seems like a lot of room for corruption and it worries me.

JC deserves to win because he's the only candidate offering something new, progressive, and exciting. He's got his speech venues packed and overfilled wherever he goes. I really think he could have the tony blair effect.

[joeysteele]

They did it to attempt to scupper the democratic process, it's seen as a jolly jape as it's the tories but in essence it's dirty tricks and bad politics.
I hope he wins and I hope he goes on to win in 2020 that'll wipe the smiles off the smug twonks.



:wavey:You are spot on, if this was Labour MPs,or even just Labour activists, paying to vote for a Conservative leader, the media and the Conservatives would be likely demanding a public enquiry as to why.

However,some of the best laid plans often bring about the result you appear to want at the time but then more time and fate bring it back to really bite those behind it on the backside.

If Jeremy Corbyn does win the leadership,then I am, as I have said, of the growing view that he may not turn out to be the easy defeat hoped for in an election.
He could easily carry the day so your hopes may well come to fruition.

Is he your choice as to who you want as leader Kizzy?

[arista]

I want JC as the Labour Leader

[bots]

No one is breaking any rules if its open to anyone paying 3 quid. How can they possibly vet each and every voter for subscribing to labour party values, that's a joke. The only thing they can check is that votes are only counted from those who have paid the dosh.

As to conservatives voting for a labour candidate ... on their heads be it.

[Kizzy]

[/B]

:wavey:You are spot on, if this was Labour MPs,or even just Labour activists, paying to vote for a Conservative leader, the media and the Conservatives would be likely demanding a public enquiry as to why.

However,some of the best laid plans often bring about the result you appear to want at the time but then more time and fate bring it back to really bite those behind it on the backside.

If Jeremy Corbyn does win the leadership,then I am, as I have said, of the growing view that he may not turn out to be the easy defeat hoped for in an election.
He could easily carry the day so your hopes may well come to fruition.

Is he your choice as to who you want as leader Kizzy?

He is at the moment, but as you are our 'man on the inside' is there any truth in the allegations that he has skeletons in his closet? or anything that you feel the electorate are unaware of regarding this dark horse... since the last election he seems to have appeared from nowhere :/

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/19/412995/default/v1/ifrontpage20-1-442x589.jpg
todays paper

[the truth]

some women voters are finding him sexy? laydees? your thoughts?

[Anaesthesia]

some women voters are finding him sexy? laydees? your thoughts?

I always find sexiness a particularly peculiar thing...never looks based for me, always intellect plus rawness. I love his intellect, but he's on a dad level for sexiness :P

[Northern Monkey]

The Tories will be rubbing their grubby mitts together if Corbyn wins.

[empire]

lizz kendall is the female version of tony blair, and she smiles like him too, a bit like a cheshire cat,

[Anaesthesia]

lizz kendall is the female version of tony blair, and she smiles like him too, a bit like a cheshire cat,

Lol! You are so right, I always wondered why I had an underlying hatred for her beyond her general twattishness!!

[joeysteele]

He is at the moment, but as you are our 'man on the inside' is there any truth in the allegations that he has skeletons in his closet? or anything that you feel the electorate are unaware of regarding this dark horse... since the last election he seems to have appeared from nowhere :/

He has served his constituents really well for over 30 years,he has strong opinions and yes, older ideas as to what Labour should stand for and more to the point as to what policies they should be implementing.

I have met him, he is a really decent man who respects your opinion and listens.
I know of no skeletons that would be damaging,that is not to say the media will not go crazy digging any tiny thing up as to his actions 40 or even 50 years ago,if there was anything at all that could be even slightly negative.
Failing that,they will likely even invent some nonsense, the thing is for me, I think he could ride above all the negativity he will get from the media.

He has conducted himself perfectly all through this leadership campaign,I really think his honesty and principled stance as to policy is gaining him admiration from voters.
My worry is, where labour needs the Conservative vote to drop and for them to pick up at least some seats, that is where his appeal will be at its weakest.
That is the far South, there is now, with the demise of the Lib Dems,no party that can damage the Conservatives there in what is fast becoming a one party state area of England.

I am fed up of hearing from Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall as to the dangers for Labour if he won.
Labour walked into danger when it elected Gordon brown as leader with no contest at all in 2007.
Then as much as I liked him,chose Ed Miliband over his Brother but failed to replace him a year or so before the 2015 election.
With hindsight,they should have done so.

We don't hear Jeremy Corbyn saying if Yvette wins or Liz wins, that he and people who think like him in the party, will split and it will be a catastrophe for labour.
Many have said on here even,Labour turned its back on those it once near fully represented and came into being to represent too,Jeremy Corbyn could address that and I think win many voters back too probably.
Will it be enough and whose votes he could lose,is another matter.

Hey, having said all that, he deserves a chance and if he is chosen as leader, I will support him 100%, after what Labour has had the last 5 elections, at least in Jeremy Corbyn there will be a credible Labour leader.
He will get hammered in the media as MTVN says,the Mail and vile Sun are dying to get started on him.
I think he could well turn that around as to a positive for himself,as to what voters think of that criticism of him however by the media.

[Kizzy]

Thanks for that Joey, that's very heartening to know :) I love his attitude towards the name calling and the grandstanding I just hope though that when the mudslinging does start he at least counters with something though...
Ed was as steadfast in that regard but it did him no favours in the end as nobody noticed that quality which is surprising as you would think that's what most would want in a statesman :/
But no! we got the boorish, backbiting, catty, sneering, jeering lying tories...again!!

( sorry lost it for a mo there ;)

[Anaesthesia]

He has served his constituents really well for over 30 years,he has strong opinions and yes, older ideas as to what Labour should stand for and more to the point as to what policies they should be implementing.

I have met him, he is a really decent man who respects your opinion and listens.
I know of no skeletons that would be damaging,that is not to say the media will not go crazy digging any tiny thing up as to his actions 40 or even 50 years ago,if there was anything at all that could be even slightly negative.
Failing that,they will likely even invent some nonsense, the thing is for me, I think he could ride above all the negativity he will get from the media.

He has conducted himself perfectly all through this leadership campaign,I really think his honesty and principled stance as to policy is gaining him admiration from voters.
My worry is, where labour needs the Conservative vote to drop and for them to pick up at least some seats, that is where his appeal will be at its weakest.
That is the far South, there is now, with the demise of the Lib Dems,no party that can damage the Conservatives there in what is fast becoming a one party state area of England.

I am fed up of hearing from Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall as to the dangers for Labour if he won.
Labour walked into danger when it elected Gordon brown as leader with no contest at all in 2007.
Then as much as I liked him,chose Ed Miliband over his Brother but failed to replace him a year or so before the 2015 election.
With hindsight,they should have done so.

We don't hear Jeremy Corbyn saying if Yvette wins or Liz wins, that he and people who think like him in the party, will split and it will be a catastrophe for labour.
Many have said on here even,Labour turned its back on those it once near fully represented and came into being to represent too,Jeremy Corbyn could address that and I think win many voters back too probably.
Will it be enough and whose votes he could lose,is another matter.

Hey, having said all that, he deserves a chance and if he is chosen as leader, I will support him 100%, after what Labour has had the last 5 elections, at least in Jeremy Corbyn there will be a credible Labour leader.
He will get hammered in the media as MTVN says,the Mail and vile Sun are dying to get started on him.
I think he could well turn that around as to a positive for himself,as to what voters think of that criticism of him however by the media.

:clap1: joey, you are both intelligent and eloquent.

[JoshBB]

Funnily enough, I believe Murdoch said somewhere that he liked Corbyn and wanted him to win because he is principled and the nature of how he expresses himself or something like that.

[joeysteele]

Thanks for that Joey, that's very heartening to know :) I love his attitude towards the name calling and the grandstanding I just hope though that when the mudslinging does start he at least counters with something though...
Ed was as steadfast in that regard but it did him no favours in the end as nobody noticed that quality which is surprising as you would think that's what most would want in a statesman :/
But no! we got the boorish, backbiting, catty, sneering, jeering lying tories...again!!

( sorry lost it for a mo there ;)

:joker:This govt would make most lose it for a mo or even much longer Kizzy.

I think Ed,although he dealt with the criticisms well, he made more of it than was needed at times.
Whereas Jeremy Corbyn I feel, would really just let it all brush over him in a much more relaxed way.

By the way to Anaesthesia,thank you very much for your kind words.

[MTVN]

Let's focus purely on the pragmatics of a Corbyn win. The facts are these:

- He sneaked onto the ballot a couple of minutes before the deadline with 35 MP's support
- Already at least 14 of those have made clear that he is not their choice for leader
- Several high profile Labour figures have ruled out ever working in his shadow cabinet
- He has rebelled against his own party over 500 times
- He has no experience whatsoever when it comes to policy formation or front bench government

IMO the most dangerous of these is his record in parliament. Consider that he is the most rebellious MP in the Commons and there is no question that the majority of Labour MPs do not subscribe to his views so if he could never sacrifice his principle to maintain party unity then how can he expect any of his colleagues to do so? It's a total recipe for disaster whether you identify with him ideologically or not.

Also I'm fed up of hearing how he's been smeared or constantly put down. It's rubbish - all criticism has focused on his policies and the very real things that he has done or said - the fact is that there is a hell of a lot of controversy when it comes to those things for Corbyn. At least he has not had to face the scrutiny that Liz Kendall has over ridiculous things like her weight, her personal relationships and her childlessness. The campaign against her has been thoroughly unpleasant and although Corbyn himself has not indulged in any of it - he does seem to be a decent, honest bloke - a lot of his online army has. I really see no way for the Labour party as it is to survive under Corbyn.

[bots]

what the labour party does have is a bit of time. A bit like when IDS was the leader of the tories. Labour can afford to make a wrong choice now and boot him out in a year or 2 when a better candidate appears from the woodwork. I think the reason labour are where they are at the moment is because its all gone a bit stale, there is no stand out candidate willing to throw their hat in the ring yet. I believe a better candidate will appear when the dust has settled and things become clearer with the economy and Europe. In the mean time, if Corbyn does get the leadership, he can look forward to a constant barrage from the media and if they have dirt on him, be sure it will surface at just the right time.

[the truth]

let's focus purely on the pragmatics of a corbyn win. The facts are these:

- he sneaked onto the ballot a couple of minutes before the deadline with 35 mp's support
so what?
- already at least 14 of those have made clear that he is not their choice for leader- so what?
- several high profile labour figures have ruled out ever working in his shadow cabinet- most associated with new labour was pretty vile in fact downright evil

- he has rebelled against his own party over 500 times.
great more reason to vote, new labour were the worst most corrupt dangerous dishonest government in uk history

- he has no experience whatsoever when it comes to policy formation or front bench government. because new labour banned socialists in their phoney party

imo the most dangerous of these is his record in parliament. Consider that he is the most rebellious mp in the commons and there is no question that the majority of labour mps do not subscribe to his views so if he could never sacrifice his principle to maintain party unity then how can he expect any of his colleagues to do so? It's a total recipe for disaster whether you identify with him ideologically or not. - no its not. Hes got support and huge public support and 100,000 new members. He can be successful just by beuing decent and honest

also i'm fed up of hearing how he's been smeared or constantly put down. It's rubbish - its not rubbish its fact

all criticism has focused on his policies - that is a bare faced lie. Virtually nothing has been argued on his policies, no one has argued about the fact the utility companies are ripping the public off billions

and the very real things that he has done or said - the fact is that there is a hell of a lot of controversy when it comes to those things for corbyn. At least he has not had to face the scrutiny that liz kendall has over ridiculous things like her weight, her personal relationships and her childlessness.
trivial irrelevant drivel:nono:

. The campaign against her has been thoroughly unpleasant
no its hasnt, she has bottled out of talking policies, shes a new labour lackey

and although corbyn himself has not indulged in any of it - he does seem to be a decent, honest bloke - a lot of his online army has. I really see no way for the labour party as it is to survive under corbyn.

the party is already thriving and growing with corbyns run for leadership, 100,000 and many more to follow. He sticks to policies and avoids personalities. Bravo to the quiet man turning up the volume

[arista]

" He sneaked onto the ballot a couple of minutes before the deadline with 35 MP's support"

It was well planned out.

He is Legal and Going to Win.


Utter Bliss

[MTVN]

the party is already thriving and growing with corbyns run for leadership, 100,000 and many more to follow. He sticks to policies and avoids personalities. Bravo to the quiet man turning up the volume

The point is that it will be next to impossible to manage a parliamentary party where the vast majority of MPs do not subscribe to your views. Either he would have to moderate his aims substantially - which would disillusion a lot of the supporters he has gained during this contest - or the party suffers constant internal strife and would probably end up splitting if it goes on long enough.

Labour's only hope would be like bitontheslide mentioned that a better candidate could replace him within a couple of years, probably one of those who wouldn't run this time like Chuka Umana, Dan Jarvis, Rachel Reeves etc.

[joeysteele]

The point is that it will be next to impossible to manage a parliamentary party where the vast majority of MPs do not subscribe to your views. Either he would have to moderate his aims substantially - which would disillusion a lot of the supporters he has gained during this contest - or the party suffers constant internal strife and would probably end up splitting if it goes on long enough.

Labour's only hope would be like bitontheslide mentioned that a better candidate could replace him within a couple of years, probably one of those who wouldn't run this time like Chuka Umana, Dan Jarvis, Rachel Reeves etc.



This is what I see happening unless,if he does become leader, he then really confounds everyone and is ahead in polling and doing really well in local elections and by elections.
I agree that bitontheslide is spot on in that there is loads of time for Labour to play this out now and act later,similarly as bitontheslide also pointed out as to the Conservatives and Ian Duncan Smith.

[arista]

Burnham is happy to work under him
in some way


The 2 Women are getting Nasty Tweets out
on SkyNewsHD today

[the truth]

The point is that it will be next to impossible to manage a parliamentary party where the vast majority of MPs do not subscribe to your views. Either he would have to moderate his aims substantially - which would disillusion a lot of the supporters he has gained during this contest - or the party suffers constant internal strife and would probably end up splitting if it goes on long enough.

Labour's only hope would be like bitontheslide mentioned that a better candidate could replace him within a couple of years, probably one of those who wouldn't run this time like Chuka Umana, Dan Jarvis, Rachel Reeves etc.

nonsense. these flakies don't know what they believe they just say what they think sounds good on tv ....no one has had the guts to sell these ideas because the rich own the tv networks and theyre scared of being savaged by them and the tabloids....no one out there has corbyns experience and understanding of these matters....once hes gone all that's left is career politicians, tv performers who know next to nothing about nationalization or the labour movement .........all those skills will be lost.......clause 4 has to come back......all other candidates are a mix of inexperiences, ill preperaed, fake, selfish, spineless , gutless and clueless

Obama ran on a democratic ticket and the idiots on fox and so on failed hopelessly to destroy him simply because he was in the right on most issues. the same could be said of corbyn. 100,000 new members and countimg....also you need to understand the kids on Scotland and wales are being taught about socialism and a lot subscribe to it....id imagine up north the effects of the collapse of the industries has just as profound an effect. in mid wales Thatcherism is considered moronic....in Scotland , well up there labour are already finished....the scots are supremely knowledgeable on these matters...and have a natural socialist dogma that corbyn appeals to

to say hes unelectable is a joke, when you look at the absolute clowns running against him who have no policies, no beliefs, no spine and barely any morals between them...they were also a massive part of the worst british government of all time and of course the most illegal war since hitler invaded poland

[Nedusa]

It's the end of the Labour Party as we know it

[empire]

labour's slow decline started in the early 80s, but new labour where the rot had started, the problem with labour supporters, is that they had put to much loyalty in tony blair, and his cabinet, and did not dare question them, and are making the same mistake, with cordyn, in not confronting him on some of his policies, that will not put the british people first, britain needs a new left wing party that is for the working class only, labour is a left wing tory party now, and is very anti small business, and pro globalist, if labour got in this year or in 2020, it will cause even more poverty and high overspending, and school leavers will have no jobs to go too, labours days are near end, in the next ten years there will be a split in the party,

[MTVN]

nonsense. these flakies don't know what they believe they just say what they think sounds good on tv ....no one has had the guts to sell these ideas because the rich own the tv networks and theyre scared of being savaged by them and the tabloids....no one out there has corbyns experience and understanding of these matters....once hes gone all that's left is career politicians, tv performers who know next to nothing about nationalization or the labour movement .........all those skills will be lost.......clause 4 has to come back......all other candidates are a mix of inexperiences, ill preperaed, fake, selfish, spineless , gutless and clueless

Obama ran on a democratic ticket and the idiots on fox and so on failed hopelessly to destroy him simply because he was in the right on most issues. the same could be said of corbyn. 100,000 new members and countimg....also you need to understand the kids on Scotland and wales are being taught about socialism and a lot subscribe to it....id imagine up north the effects of the collapse of the industries has just as profound an effect. in mid wales Thatcherism is considered moronic....in Scotland , well up there labour are already finished....the scots are supremely knowledgeable on these matters...and have a natural socialist dogma that corbyn appeals to

to say hes unelectable is a joke, when you look at the absolute clowns running against him who have no policies, no beliefs, no spine and barely any morals between them...they were also a massive part of the worst british government of all time and of course the most illegal war since hitler invaded poland

Corbyn and experience? You're having a laugh. 30 years as an MP and zero experience in forming policy or sitting on a front bench. Nobody knew who he was before this campaign because he had never done anything that matters. Your prerogative to vote for him: I won't deny the Labour membership that. I am not a part of it and have no intention of being so, and from the outside it has all been quite amusing.

[Toy Soldier]

what the labour party does have is a bit of time. A bit like when IDS was the leader of the tories. Labour can afford to make a wrong choice now and boot him out in a year or 2 when a better candidate appears from the woodwork. I think the reason labour are where they are at the moment is because its all gone a bit stale, there is no stand out candidate willing to throw their hat in the ring yet. I believe a better candidate will appear when the dust has settled and things become clearer with the economy and Europe. In the mean time, if Corbyn does get the leadership, he can look forward to a constant barrage from the media and if they have dirt on him, be sure it will surface at just the right time.

I agree with that. I think he's a good choice as an opposition leader because he is likely to stand in some sort of actual opposition which we haven't seen for decades (with, let's face it, the Tories and New Labour loosely agreeing on almost everything with vague twists)... but it would make more sense for him to do that for the next two to three years to set a stage but be replaced with a more... err... "realistic PM" before electioneering begins.

[the truth]

labour's slow decline started in the early 80s, but new labour where the rot had started, the problem with labour supporters, is that they had put to much loyalty in tony blair, and his cabinet, and did not dare question them, and are making the same mistake, with cordyn, in not confronting him on some of his policies, that will not put the british people first, britain needs a new left wing party that is for the working class only, labour is a left wing tory party now, and is very anti small business, and pro globalist, if labour got in this year or in 2020, it will cause even more poverty and high overspending, and school leavers will have no jobs to go too, labours days are near end, in the next ten years there will be a split in the party,

both parties are anti small business, in fact the tories are more LEFT WING ON VAT AS THEY ALWAYS UNCREASE IT IN GOVERNMENT, THIS IS A TAX THAT DESTROYS SMALL BUSINESS AND ROBS THE WORKING MAN, THIS in effect protects the larger corporations from losing customers to smaller businesses, larger ones claim the vat back anyway...Maggie thatcher milk snatcher doubled vat and yet the right wing media lied and portrayed her as a friend of small business which of course is the opposite of the truth

[arista]

Labour Leadership Race Turns Nasty Online


[The Labour leadership race has turned nasty online.
It's hard to see how the party can emerge united and unscathed.
Liz Kendall, in particular, has received some vitriolic abuse.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1539272/labour-leadership-race-turns-nasty-online

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/11/411285/default/v1/cegrab-20150811-154023-452-1-736x414.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/19/412840/default/v1/pasted-image-at-2015-08-19-10-56-am-1-736x414.png

[JoshBB]

Some of these posts are making me laugh tbh, all these ridiculous claims with literally no concrete evidence to back up what they say.

[joeysteele]

Labour Leadership Race Turns Nasty Online


[The Labour leadership race has turned nasty online.
It's hard to see how the party can emerge united and unscathed.
Liz Kendall, in particular, has received some vitriolic abuse.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1539272/labour-leadership-race-turns-nasty-online

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/11/411285/default/v1/cegrab-20150811-154023-452-1-736x414.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/8/19/412840/default/v1/pasted-image-at-2015-08-19-10-56-am-1-736x414.png

The Labour party can easily come together after this election no matter who is leader.

The right cabinet posts and choices will help any healing process needed and the one thing that will do more to unite labour, will be to fight this extreme and heartless govt tooth and nail.

There are always rumblings in the Labour party, there were people who detested Tony Blair when he became leader, they however learned the dangers of splitting like daft Shirley Williams and co did in the 80s.

I think all this nonsense of Labour splitting,are false hopes from those who would love to see it.
It will not, where could any Labour MPs go, the Lib Dems who are now totally down and out and with not a scrap of influence anymore.
UKIP, who are almost as far away from Labour ideals than the Conservatives are.

Make a new party, another SDP, who then got swallowed up by the Lib Dems and lost their impact after only 2 elections.

Utter nonsense, if Jeremy Corbyn wins, all in Labour know they can wait and mount a challenge in 3 years time.
However, were Jeremy Corbyn to win the leadership and then be confounding all his critics and have Labour in a strong position,then don't think the vast majority of Labour MPs and members will not strongly rally behind him then.

Just as those, more to the left in the Labour party, will do so also, were one of the others to win.
Even it were,hopefully not, Liz Kendall.

[Kizzy]

Corbyn and experience? You're having a laugh. 30 years as an MP and zero experience in forming policy or sitting on a front bench. Nobody knew who he was before this campaign because he had never done anything that matters. Your prerogative to vote for him: I won't deny the Labour membership that. I am not a part of it and have no intention of being so, and from the outside it has all been quite amusing.

Don't leaders have advisors who have specific information on separate issues.. Has any leader of any party ever made every decision on every issue without consultation?

[arista]

"mount a challenge in 3 years time."


Yes sure Labour has to sort it splits out.
But this Sept JC wins outright


Utter Bliss

[joeysteele]

Don't leaders have advisors who have specific information on separate issues.. Has any leader of any party ever made every decision on every issue without consultation?

Tony Blair had no experience of govt when he came to power,he went on to win 3 elections in a row and although I hate to bring it up,had he avoided the Iraq shambles, he probably would have won a 4th too in 2010.

He wasn't my cup of tea at all as a leader or PM but he achieved success with no previous govt. or leadership experience.

[arista]

Burnham and the 2 women are LabourTory


Only JC is real Labour
bringing on more voters just for him

[MTVN]

Blair had been in the shadow cabinet though and was at the forefront of Labour's modernisation project in the years before becoming leader. Corbyn has never been anything more than a bog standard backbencher, an MP for 30 years yet has never contributed to policy or achieved anything on a national scale. Cooper on the other hand can point to being a leading part in government and playing a major role in things like introducing the minimum wage, reducing child poverty, strengthening the NHS, furthering gay rights and protecting abortion legislation.

[arista]

Diane Abbot is ready to be in the New JC Cabinet

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/26/article-1281363-004C9569000004B0-532_233x398.jpg

[Northern Monkey]

Dawn Abbot is ready to be in the New JC Cabinet

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/26/article-1281363-004C9569000004B0-532_233x398.jpgDiane?

[arista]

Diane?

Thanks Corrected

[arista]

Corbyn Wins Backing From Over 40 Economists

http://news.sky.com/story/1540216/corbyn-wins-backing-from-over-40-economists