UK / IRL immigration thread [was Illegal Migrants French boats & Lorrys entering...]

[arista]

Another 25 Illegal Migrants
And 40 Illegal Migrants
arrived at Kent beaches yesterday


BBC reported

[Zizu]

We just need to train up more snipers ..


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[arista]

Yesterday
another 76 Illegal Migrants
were arrested at Dover.

Meanwhile The Government confirmed
in Cooperation with French Border Police
30 Criminals were arrested in France/

[The Slim Reaper]

We just need to train up more snipers ..


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More compassionate conservatism on display.

[Zizu]

More compassionate conservatism on display.



Thanks


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[arista]

Another 150 Illegal migrants arrested
near Dover, yesterday....

Page 19
The Times.

[Beso]

Another 150 Illegal migrants arrested
near Dover, yesterday....

Page 19
The Times.



i was in dover yesterday and there was a lot of police passing me on the way in at over 130 miles an hour.:shrug:

[Cherie]

i was in dover yesterday and there was a lot of police passing me on the way in at over 130 miles an hour.:shrug:

Is that you Nigel :laugh:

[arista]

i was in dover yesterday and there was a lot of police passing me on the way in at over 130 miles an hour.:shrug:


Yes thats the team.


Nigel Farage visted the Cliff, Last Week to Film a important Video
For Twitter.
Stupid Cops told him off......................

[Kizzy]

We just need to train up more snipers ..


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Did you just suggest killing people on the forum?

[arista]

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Yes SkyNewsHD did mentiion them
and the 150 from yesterday

[Zizu]

Did you just suggest killing people on the forum?



It’s known as humour ...


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[Crimson Dynamo]

The more we tolerate this the more the scumbag people making money on it will ship. This mini invasion must end

[Kizzy]

It’s known as humour ...


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I dont find killing people funny, do you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I dont find killing people funny, do you?

Blackadder was funny and it was about WW1

Dad's army was funny and it was about WW2

[Kizzy]

Blackadder was funny and it was about WW1

Dad's army was funny and it was about WW2

Not even nearly comparable, try harder.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not even nearly comparable, try harder.


I am not trying anything, I am merely successfully illustrating your paucity of argument by using 2 examples

[Kizzy]

I am not trying anything, I am merely successfully illustrating your paucity of argument by using 2 examples

What argument? that suggesting people be shot then saying after the fact 'I was joking' is the Same as actual comedy?

No you're right, you're not even trying.

[Zizu]

Jesus wept !!

( and no Kizzy , I do not have any evidence to support that statement! )


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[Crimson Dynamo]

GLd_8xUo56I

[arista]

244 Illegal Migrants
arrested near Dover
over the weekend.

Yes LT
SkyNewsHD did report the Illegals invading us
but only once in the day
It should be Main news.

Its in the Papers today.

[arista]

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[arista]

She is trying to set up
a send back to France via our boats
every time they arrive.

As we are paying France

[arista]

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More Illegal migrants arrived
near Dover today
awaiting the amount

[arista]

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Poxy French Navy

[Beso]

Every single ****ing day.

[hijaxers]

Every single ****ing day.

Its endless ! when are we gonna any kind of control over this , its a bloody joke, send them all back , nowt wrong with France or anywhere else they've travelled through, nah lets get to 'soft touch' UK - this is flamin endless....

[Beso]

Its endless ! when are we gonna any kind of control over this , its a bloody joke, send them all back , nowt wrong with France or anywhere else they've travelled through, nah lets get to 'soft touch' UK - this is flamin endless....




It's the French we should be hammering.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just been listening to Nigels report on LBC, disgraceful

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/D1D7/production/_112391735_the-times-21-may.jpg

Front Page Photo
at last


Nasty French Navy
helping them invade us.
We Pay Millions to France

[arista]

SkyNewsHD was Live in Dover
looking how the French navy assist the Illegals into
our waters.

[Cherie]

Priti needs to get down to the beach and see them off

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/D1D7/production/_112391735_the-times-21-may.jpg

Front Page Photo
at last


Nasty French Navy
helping them invade us.
We Pay Millions to France

As is normal all economic migrants who will burden our NHS even more

[arista]

As is normal all economic migrants who will burden our NHS even more


Its costings as Double
We pay the French big money
Then the Illegal migrants arrive
65 over the past day.

The Home Secretary
wants to send them back
as soon as they arrive.
We need to Pay France more extra Cash
and get her plan done

[arista]

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Poxy French Navy

[arista]

80 yesterday
and 60 today Illegal migrants
arrived in Dover.

BBC reports.

[Beso]

Nicky coming to get me

[arista]

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[hijaxers]

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Well thats nigh on impossible with the French navy aiding and abetting them !

[arista]

Today another 9 boats arrived near Dover
167 Illegal migrants.


Ref : LBC and BBC

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZh3YBHWkAc5gpZ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[bots]

let's put these illegal immigrants in to context. Boris has just offered citizenship to 3 million people from Hong Kong. These people would need to leave their lives behind them and be reliant on the British state

Please let that sink in for a moment

[hijaxers]

let's put these illegal immigrants in to context. Boris has just offered citizenship to 3 million people from Hong Kong. These people would need to leave their lives behind them and be reliant on the British state

Please let that sink in for a moment

No i dont think so they can come for 6mths i thought and they gonna extend to 12 mths , That what i thought the government were saying ! and we have a commitment to Hong Kong .

[arista]

Over 70 Illegal migrants arrested
near Dover.
It's being reported some jump in the sea
if they think a boat is going to return them to France.


The Home Secretary
still trying set up a fast return to France
as soon as they arrive.

[arista]

[200 Illegal Migrants came into Dover on the day Priti Patel
went to France to look at this crisis.
Will the Home Office give us the truth about numbers?]

[arista]

Another 100 Illegal migrants
arrived at Dover.

36 were stopped in France.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10792/production/_113347476_mediaitem113346790.jpg
Home Sec. Priti Patel met with
Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin during her visit to Calais
on Monday

[arista]

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[Cherie]

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The two little kids with no life vests :sad:

[Beso]

The two little kids with no life vests :sad:

They have life belts on...it is a professional operation.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1284557345029267456/jpPHD3I8?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

Another 13 migrant boats, 159 Illegal migrants
enter Kent.

https://westmonster.com/another-13-migrant-boats-159-individuals-cross-channel

[arista]

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[Livia]

Scooper them up... because we have a duty to protect them... then sail them back to France.

[arista]

Scooper them up... because we have a duty to protect them... then sail them back to France.


Yes that's what The Home Secretary wants
but France has to agree.


I say pay the French more money.

[Livia]

Yes that's what The Home Secretary wants
but France has to agree.


I say pay the French more money.

If the French don't want them back then they have to deal with them at Calais... before they leave.

[arista]

If the French don't want them back then they have to deal with them at Calais... before they leave.


They are not able to stop
the Illegal Gangs going on the massive beaches
with a blow up dingy at night time.

[Livia]

They are not able to stop
the Illegal Gangs going on the massive beaches
with a blow up dingy at night time.

They wait till they reach British waters, then call for help. We are, quite rightly, duty bound to help them, but not land them. They should be returned to their place of departure and if France doesn't want that to happen they need to do something about the camps and the refugees in them. In my opinion, of course...

[arista]

Yes Livia,
it's a mess if we Pay France to take them back
So we put 100 on each Ship returning
it's the only way to get a Legit Deal done


It sounds crazy paying France to take them back
but it would be good money spent
End result they stop crossing the channel
The Criminal Gangs would find another sucker nation.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Ammi]

...awful man...I doubt anything and everything he says...

[arista]

...awful man...I doubt anything and everything he says...


It is true.


Also yesterday
202 Illegal migrants were arrested
at Kent coast.

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Congrats to all the migrants that took part in the new record. Takes years of dedication and hard work to reach the top of their game like that. 3 cheers...

[Crimson Dynamo]

We need to enter a British team of illegal migrants and try to smash that record. That would show them.

Coming over here, breaking our records

:oh:

[Nicky91]

i can easily sympathize with these illegal migrants


i mean i would literally do the same, if i were living in a war/conflict/corrupt country

[arista]

i can easily sympathize with these illegal migrants


i mean i would literally do the same, if i were living in a war/conflict/corrupt country


Would you like France
to send them to your nation??

[Captain.Remy]

We need to enter a British team of illegal migrants and try to smash that record.

All Love Island viewers should do the trick.

[Nicky91]

Would you like France
to send them to your nation??

not everyone, since that would make my country too crowded of course

[arista]

not everyone, since that would make my country too crowded of course


Well we do not want them all.
Its costing us big money
to keep them in Hotels

[The Slim Reaper]

Well we do not want them all.
Its costing us big money
to keep them in Hotels

Is it just the price of hotels that makes you hate them?

[arista]

Is it just the price of hotels that makes you hate them?


No they are Illegal.
Then need to get in line
to enter this Great Nation.

[Ammi]

...do they not know it’s illegal, coming over here...dying on our beaches...


Migrants pictured drying on Kent bench after dumping their stolen dinghy...


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/migrants-pictured-drying-kent-bench-101848207.html

[arista]

...do they not know it’s illegal, coming over here...dying on our beaches...


Migrants pictured drying on Kent bench after dumping their stolen dinghy...


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/migrants-pictured-drying-kent-bench-101848207.html



Ammi I posted that older story on a tweet on this page
with a Photo of them

[arista]

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For AMMI

[Captain.Remy]

They look so happy they made it Congrats guys!

[Ammi]

...never trust a Farage...


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/true-story-behind-nigel-farage-170421513.html

[Ammi]

No they are Illegal.
Then need to get in line
to enter this Great Nation.

...they’re not illegal, that hotel is one which is allocated to give sanctuary to asylum seekers, while their claims will either be processed or rejected...because of their circumstances in their homelands, they’re legally entitled to make a claim to sanctuary in the U.K....so not illegal at all, Arista...that’s the spin and slant that the media and the Farages would have you believe...

[Ammi]

They look so happy they made it Congrats guys!

...:love:..

[arista]

...they’re not illegal, that hotel is one which is allocated to give sanctuary to asylum seekers, while their claims will either be processed or rejected...because of their circumstances in their homelands, they’re legally entitled to make a claim to sanctuary in the U.K....so not illegal at all, Arista...that’s the spin and slant that the media and the Farages would have you believe...


Look they Entered our Great Nation
from paying a criminal gang in France
to get half across the sea.

They can be called Illegal Migrants

[Ammi]

...(..look...)...that might be inaccurate though, Arista...the hotel has been allocated to asylum seekers who have every right to be in this country seeking asylum and that’s where they’ll stay until the outcome of their request is being decided...that would make their stay legal ...and I know how you dislike inaccuracy of information...

[arista]

But as they arrived Illegally
they will be stuck with that tag.

[Ammi]

...only when more focus and importance is placed on ‘tags’, than it is on accuracy and truth, Arista...

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/04/08/31539796-8590847-image-a-4_1596524507949.jpg
This morning on GMBHD itv
more Illegal Migrants wait to be picked up.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/04/08/31539800-8590847-image-a-13_1596524535147.jpg
[Jonathan Swain on today's Good Morning Britain
with the migrant boat in the background]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8590847/GMB-reporter-Jonathan-Swain-pursues-ten-migrants-cross-Channel.html

[arista]

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Another 120 illegal migrants today

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[Crimson Dynamo]

horrific that this is allowed

[The Slim Reaper]

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That is indeed, a shocking invasion. Like WWII all over again.

[Beso]

The holiday in just along from hammersmith tube houses them..I know that cause I've been in fixing thier tvs.

[The Slim Reaper]

Comin' over 'ere, watching our tellies :fist:

[arista]

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[bots]

how would sending in the Navy solve anything? :laugh:

France would need to stop them coming over, thats the only solution there is

[Cherie]

Priti useless

[arista]

250 Illegal migrants yesterday.

They are saying more illegal crossings
started today early daylight, after 4AM.

[Ammi]

...coming over here, enjoying our heatwave...

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1291642097280397312/h0q0KL7g?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

250 Illegal migrants yesterday.

They are saying more illegal crossings
started today early daylight, after 4AM.

If 202 was a record a couple of days ago, then 250 smashes it, quite literally, out of the water :smug: You see that often when world records are broken, that they'll often be quickly broken again.

Big effort.

[Cherie]

Yes terrific, meanwhile a friend just received a letter from her council saying they will no longer support her disabled daughters ECHP plan, so half way through a College course she is out unless her appeal is upheld :skull:

[Cherie]

What’s happening in France that they dont want to claim Asylum there :shrug:

Isn’t the UK a terribly racist place that nobody wants to live in :pipe:

[arista]

What’s happening in France that they dont want to claim Asylum there :shrug:

Isn’t the UK a terribly racist place that nobody wants to live in :pipe:


They get less Cash each week
in France.


In the UK they get more cash each week
and a nice Hotel.

[arista]

The Home Secretary
needs to go to France again
pay them money to take them back,
a one off payment per person
will save our money in the long run.


Set up our 3 Navy ships
to pick them up
even if they jump in the water


Once on the Boat - Handcuff them.

[arista]

[This afternoon, traffic was queuing for miles from around 1pm,
with delays still remaining between Junction 27,
the Theydon Interchange for the M11 and
Junction 28 in Brentwood.

An Essex Police spokeswoman said: 'We were called shortly
before 12.45pm this afternoon, Friday 7 August,
with reports that people were seen to be leaving
from a lorry trailer on the M25 between junctions 28 and 27.

'Officers quickly responded and have arrested
a 45-year-old man from Romania on
suspicion of immigration offences.']


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/07/15/31681362-8604459-Traffic_was_held_on_the_M25_this_afternoon_as_poli ce_surrounded_-a-62_1596812128542.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8604459/M25-gridlocked-seven-mile-queues-police-surround-lorry.html

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/6D33/production/_113855972_times.jpg

[arista]

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[arista]

[A Border Force patrol boat has met an inflatable dinghy carrying
around 20 Syrian migrants off the coast of Dover.
Those on board were seen waving and smiling as the
vessel made its way across the English Channel on Monday morning.]

7AM today
never ending


https://news.sky.com/story/border-force-intercepts-inflatable-dinghy-carrying-20-migrants-off-coast-of-dover-12046290

[Oliver_W]

What kind of awful, neglectful parents would take their kids onto a leaky dingy to escape from ... France?

Maybe put the kids into the foster care system so they can find some proper parents, and drop their biofams back off in France :)

[arista]

The PM Johnson
has spoken on this from a classroom,
saying these illegals with the help of the French
need to stop these criminal gangs
on entering the Dover.

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No Pierre-Henri
they can take them back to Your France
so you can help them.

[Ammi]

...coming over here...taking our bullets in shooting their boats...

[Cherie]

I saw a video of a group yesterday who landed in Mojacar on the beach, the inflatable had an engine, and there were about 12 guys on it, it motored up onto the beach, they jumped off and then ran...left the boat on the beach :laugh: they seemed to know where they were running to though :think:

[Oliver_W]

I saw a video of a group yesterday who landed in Mojacar on the beach, the inflatable had an engine, and there were about 12 guys on it, it motored up onto the beach, they jumped off and then ran...left the boat on the beach :laugh: they seemed to know where they were running to though :think:

Maybe the traffickers they paid good money to gave the poor little petals some detailed directions?

[Cherie]

Maybe the traffickers they paid good money to gave the poor little petals some detailed directions?

yeah they literally landed on an exit point off the beach, as you can only access the beach from some sections of the prom

[bots]

maybe the Navy will be laying mines across the channel, that would soon sort the problem out

[arista]

maybe the Navy will be laying mines across the channel, that would soon sort the problem out


No their role
is to take them back to France
Chris Pilp MP
is going to Paris tomorrow for talks



In the Past 5 days over 700 Illegal migrants
got over the sea.

A RAF spotter plane has been flying around the sea
between France and UK



SkyNewsHD/ BBCnewsHD

[Oliver_W]

maybe the Navy will be laying mines across the channel, that would soon sort the problem out

Nah just turn 'em back. A bunch of explosions wouldn't do the environment much good.

[Smithy]

maybe the Navy will be laying mines across the channel, that would soon sort the problem out

But I thought all lives mattered? :conf:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/10/11/31771484-0-image-m-11_1597056507382.jpg

[arista]

[Boris Johnson: UK has to look at 'legal framework'
for migrants crossing Channel
The PM says crossing the English Channel
is a "very bad and stupid and dangerous and criminal thing to do".]

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-uk-has-to-look-at-legal-framework-for-migrants-crossing-channel-12046290

[Oliver_W]

But I thought all lives mattered? :conf:

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

They wouldn't think their own lives mattered if they took the pointless journey once it was even more dangerous.

[The Slim Reaper]

But I thought all lives mattered? :conf:

I'm not racist, but let's blow up asylum seekers.

[bots]

I'm not racist, but let's blow up asylum seekers.

can't you see a tongue in cheek post when you read one?

Also, not wanting illegal immigrants in the country is not racist, they are not asylum seekers as they are coming from France

[lime]

maybe the Navy will be laying mines across the channel, that would soon sort the problem out
sweet Jesus,

Make the UK a nogo area..Well that's a plan

[The Slim Reaper]

can't you see a tongue in cheek post when you read one?

Also, not wanting illegal immigrants in the country is not racist, they are not asylum seekers as they are coming from France

They aren't french though, they are fleeing war torn countries, and extreme poverty. Besides which, that is just the biggest cop out of all time, if we were the first country in Europe that these people reached, you wouldn't be insisting they stay here, you'd be cheerleading them on to other countries. Folks need to realise the responsibility we have for the displacement of huge numbers of people in that region, through empire, map redrawing leading to constant wars, to dick riding the yanks into the middle east.


I've seen these people called trash on here, I've seen Oliver suggest shooting them, and now you suggest bombs? All a good laugh though isn't it, just as long as they don't come here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They aren't french though, they are fleeing war torn countries, and extreme poverty. Besides which, that is just the biggest cop out of all time, if we were the first country in Europe that these people reached, you wouldn't be insisting they stay here, you'd be cheerleading them on to other countries. Folks need to realise the responsibility we have for the displacement of huge numbers of people in that region, through empire, map redrawing leading to constant wars, to dick riding the yanks into the middle east.


I've seen these people called trash on here, I've seen Oliver suggest shooting them, and now you suggest bombs? All a good laugh though isn't it, just as long as they don't come here.

and was it not you who was busy telling liv that you were only joking about jews and not to take things seriously?

[The Slim Reaper]

and was it not you who was busy telling liv that you were only joking about jews and not to take things seriously?

Bless your little white knight heart for running to her aide like that. The difference, is that my joke was about Corbyn, not jews at all. This thread has a lot of repetition of the exact same joke with only different methods for delivering death.

[Oliver_W]

they are fleeing war torn countries, and extreme poverty.

France is neither.

There are legal routes to apply for asylum and request the UK.

[The Slim Reaper]

France is neither.

There are legal routes to apply for asylum and request the UK.

For some context, france process around 130k Asylum applications every year, we had our highest year in 2019 of just under 40k. France are doing their bit.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bless your little white knight heart for running to her aide like that. The difference, is that my joke was about Corbyn, not jews at all. This thread has a lot of repetition of the exact same joke with only different methods for delivering death.

sure jan if that makes it easier then run with it.

[The Slim Reaper]

sure jan if that makes it easier then run with it.

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

and no one is fleeing anything they are here on the back of a promise of easy money by the people who make the money from their journey

or are we sayiong organised criminal gangs are now in the belevolance business

[Oliver_W]

For some context, france process around 130k Asylum applications every year, we had our highest year in 2019 of just under 40k. France are doing their bit.

Then France should be turning people away :shrug: there are camps and processing points closer to those people's homes. If everyone maintained their borders, the migrant crisis wouldn’t have reached this point.

[Liam-]

Illegal immigrants don’t get any money from the state, they do get housed in detention centres though while their claims are being processed and if their claims are successful, they’d be eligible to the bare minimum assistance, about £5 a day, so the notion that they come here for the money is not only false, but it’s built on a smear intended to make the less well off or working class resentful that someone is getting something, that they’re not actually getting.

[Captain.Remy]

For some context, france process around 130k Asylum applications every year, we had our highest year in 2019 of just under 40k. France are doing their bit.

Finally someone is saying something right about France.

[Liam-]

There have been some horrid responses to the events, some of the worst happen to be on here, actually disgusting

[Captain.Remy]

Then France should be turning people away :shrug: there are camps and processing points closer to those people's homes. If everyone maintained their borders, the migrant crisis wouldn’t have reached this point.

Then blame the countries that have borders with non-european countries (if they are to be blamed at all). The EU has people looking after those borders. France only has borders with european countries, so by the time they get there the job is done for the migrants.
Our mediterranean coast doesn't see much migrants, or any at all, Italy, Spain or Greece are closer.

[Liam-]

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[Oliver_W]

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Weird collectivism there. If we're comparing long-dead people with living people, how about comparing the migrants to the (living) terrorists who share their religion and home cultures?

[Crimson Dynamo]

more silly showing off by twitter people who post for likes and ride any bandwaggon that is going

lol

[The Slim Reaper]

Finally someone is saying something right about France.

C'est moi :smug:

[The Slim Reaper]

more silly showing off by twitter people who post for likes and ride any bandwaggon that is going

lol

Weren't you rolling out daily mail comments to try and prove your point, in the Meghan thread?

[Cherie]

Weird collectivism there. If we're comparing long-dead people with living people, how about comparing the migrants to the (living) terrorists who share their religion and home cultures?

I mean honestly, is anyone having a go at Scandanavia for invading yonks ago?

[arista]

Illegal immigrants don’t get any money from the state, they do get housed in detention centres though while their claims are being processed and if their claims are successful, they’d be eligible to the bare minimum assistance, about £5 a day, so the notion that they come here for the money is not only false, but it’s built on a smear intended to make the less well off or working class resentful that someone is getting something, that they’re not actually getting.


Yes £5 a day
from the Post Office etc.
It is money we can no longer afford.

[Liam-]

Well after all the squandering of our cash the Brexit lot have done, I wouldn’t be surprised

[Oliver_W]

I mean honestly, is anyone having a go at Scandanavia for invading yonks ago?

#DenounceTheVikings

Should we accuse the migrants of trying to restart the Ottomon Empire?

[Cherie]

#DenounceTheVikings

Should we accuse the migrants of trying to restart the Ottomon Empire?

Some Brits love self flagellating themselves and martyring themselves over the evils of their ancestors, it's astonishing :joker:

[bots]

Illegal immigrants don’t get any money from the state, they do get housed in detention centres though while their claims are being processed and if their claims are successful, they’d be eligible to the bare minimum assistance, about £5 a day, so the notion that they come here for the money is not only false, but it’s built on a smear intended to make the less well off or working class resentful that someone is getting something, that they’re not actually getting.

but the people coming over in boats aren't doing that are they? they want to get into the UK system bypassing legitimate asylum routes. Everyone in this thread knows this, so I can't for the life of me understand why people are defending them

[Cherie]

but the people coming over in boats aren't doing that are they? they want to get into the UK system bypassing legitimate asylum routes. Everyone in this thread knows this, so I can't for the life of me understand why people are defending them

Neither can I when there are families in camps with elderly and very young kids that need rescuing, this is survival of the fittest hunger games style

[Crimson Dynamo]

but the people coming over in boats aren't doing that are they? they want to get into the UK system bypassing legitimate asylum routes. Everyone in this thread knows this, so I can't for the life of me understand why people are defending them

its quite astonishing bots

:conf::conf::conf:

[Liam-]

but the people coming over in boats aren't doing that are they? they want to get into the UK system bypassing legitimate asylum routes. Everyone in this thread knows this, so I can't for the life of me understand why people are defending them

The people coming over on boats can still claim asylum, even if they enter illegally, once they claim asylum, they’re no longer illegal, that’s the law.

[Liam-]

And people are defending them because not everybody sees them as an ‘infestation’ or an ‘invasion’, not everyone sees them as awful people because of where they come from or what they look like, some people just see them as people looking for a better life, it’s really that simple.

[The Slim Reaper]

but the people coming over in boats aren't doing that are they? they want to get into the UK system bypassing legitimate asylum routes. Everyone in this thread knows this, so I can't for the life of me understand why people are defending them

So it wasn't a joke?

[Oliver_W]

And people are defending them because not everybody sees them as an ‘infestation’ or an ‘invasion’, not everyone sees them as awful people because of where they come from or what they look like, some people just see them as people looking for a better life, it’s really that simple.

We keep hearing about how much better life in the EU is, maybe they could take a shorter and ssfer journey for an even better life!

We're a tiny and over populated island with virtually every service being stretched, there's no obligation to be the sanctuary for the world.

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/Y10kr_WKSwOtUKVAWAaaww/https/media.fyre.co/EnAoTBASryWMg4gwB0ip_Independent%201108.PNG

[arista]

[Migrants cheer 'UK' as several boats cross English Channel
in one morning
Sky News correspondent Ali Fortescue
describes an "extraordinary morning" as
she encounters Sudanese and Iranian migrants.]


https://news.sky.com/story/migrants-cheer-uk-as-several-boats-cross-english-channel-in-one-morning-12046971

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1293092339494408193/gAzwzMco?format=png&name=900x900

[The Slim Reaper]

Peoples desperation turned into EDL mainstream breakfast entertainment.

1293102560438607872

[arista]

Peoples desperation turned into EDL mainstream breakfast entertainment.

Look GMBHD itv did 2 days early reports
Then BBC AM did a day
now its SkyNewsHD AM turn.

[The Slim Reaper]

These crossings have been going on for decades, so what is it in this moment, with this government, that the country feels it can fall in line with far right ideology.

This crap has been on BNP leaflets for as long as the BNP have been around. Disappointing to see media now push these same talking points to generate a crisis.

[bots]

These crossings have been going on for decades, so what is it in this moment, with this government, that the country feels it can fall in line with far right ideology.

This crap has been on BNP leaflets for as long as the BNP have been around. Disappointing to see media now push these same talking points to generate a crisis.

the volume of people coming over in boats has increased dramatically hence the attention it's getting now, i thought that was obvious

[Crimson Dynamo]

Every media channel is now reporting on this crisis so well done to nigel farage for highlighting this awful problem

[The Slim Reaper]

the volume of people coming over in boats has increased dramatically hence the attention it's getting now, i thought that was obvious

It's ok to align with the EDL and BNP if a perceived problem exists? The historical excuse of all regimes that want to harm minority groups is to play on a crisis.

[Cherie]

My issue is it is survival of the fittest

There are very few young woman using this method as it is too dangerous for them to travel alone or they have young children or elderly relatives that they cannot leave behind

These guys are unencumbered for the most part, I do feel for the ones who have family here but the majority do not

I think most people appreciate they want to improve their lives, but when people in the UK say well I want to hold on to the standard of living I have got, rather than see it drop due to overcrowding, lack of social housing etc, they are called racists, how does that marry up

[bots]

It's ok to align with the EDL and BNP if a perceived problem exists? The historical excuse of all regimes that want to harm minority groups is to play on a crisis.

thats just bollocks and you know it. The not wanting ILLEGAL entrants into the uk is not an extremist view, and making accusations like that only strengthens peoples resolve and results in votes like brexit.

[The Slim Reaper]

My issue is it is survival of the fittest

There are very few young woman using this method as it is too dangerous for them to travel alone or they have young children or elderly relatives that they cannot leave behind

These guys are unencumbered for the most part, I do feel for the ones who have family here but the majority do not

I think most people appreciate they want to improve their lives, but when people in the UK say well I want to hold on to the standard of living I have got, rather than see it drop due to overcrowding, lack of social housing etc, they are called racists, how does that marry up

Standard of living isn't affected by the displacement crisis in the middle east. I really have no idea why, when the tories have been purposefully been reducing the standard of living with austerity, that frustration isn't targeted at the right people.

Thatcher used "managed decline" to describe her policy towards the north and Liverpool in particular in the 80's, the government just decided for purely ideological reasons that we all had it too good, and their mates paying taxes to keep it that way was too much of a load for them to bear.

[The Slim Reaper]

thats just bollocks and you know it. The not wanting ILLEGAL entrants into the uk is not an extremist view, and making accusations like that only strengthens peoples resolve and results in votes like brexit.

It's based on the justifications you provided. Legal immigration was the deciding factor on brexit.

It's fcuking hilarious when people claim that pointing out their bigotry is the reason for all of societies ills. Take some responsibility for your own damn opinions.

He made me do it, miss, is weak as piss to be honest.

[arista]

Chris Philp MP
just spoke live on SkyNewsHD
in Paris.
He is making new funds to cut this route.

[Cherie]

Standard of living isn't affected by the displacement crisis in the middle east. I really have no idea why, when the tories have been purposefully been reducing the standard of living with austerity, that frustration isn't targeted at the right people.

Thatcher used "managed decline" to describe her policy towards the north and Liverpool in particular in the 80's, the government just decided for purely ideological reasons that we all had it too good, and their mates paying taxes to keep it that way was too much of a load for them to bear.

Overcrowding causes a drop in living standards, not financial but from an environment point of view, travelling from a to b, getting to the doc etc

you will get plenty brown British people complaining about it, not just whites

[The Slim Reaper]

Overcrowding causes a drop in living standards, not financial but from an environment point of view, travelling from a to b, getting to the doc etc

you will get plenty brown British people complaining about it, not just whites

I agree to an extent, but an extra 5-10 minutes on a journey isn't really an indicator for standard of living when it comes to a society or country, it's more about access to healthcare, financial independence etc, and none of those things are dictated to by 40k asylum seekers each year.

The government made a choice to attack the real indicators of healthy society, freezing pay, stripping services, reducing police numbers, reducing healthcare professionals numbers.

Nothing that is happening in this country in 2020 is because of migrants crossing the channel, apart from the justification this provides people to align with extremism.

[The Slim Reaper]

Marina Hyde

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/11/ahoy-distress-voyeur-farage-is-sea-perving-while-terrified-johnson-tacks-towards-him-migrant-mission?CMP=share_btn_tw

What a pleasure to have the news agenda still dictated by former drivetime radio presenter Nigel Farage, who resists the suggestion that it’s time to declare an emergency in his career by announcing: “It’s time to declare an emergency in the Channel.”

Initially it was to be hoped there would be only one wave of Farage before a cure was discovered, but scientists have long accepted that we will simply learn to have to live with him, albeit in slightly diminished form with each outing, until he has finally infected so many layers of our culture that he is in effect spent. Think of it as a turd immunity strategy.

In his current strain, Farage presents as a sort of distress voyeur, hanging about the Dover coastal area with a cameraphone and practising what he imagines to be some kind of haute journalisme by filming the arrival or rescue of any migrant boats he manages to spot. I’m afraid police felt obliged to speak to him about his behaviour during lockdown.

Yet compulsively he returns. One can only imagine the quickening in the Farage journalistic loins when, after several hours of fruitless sea perving, he finally spots a small craft full of desperate people coming into his sights. Yes! I’ve got a bite! The dog has seen the rabbit! Perhaps Nigel imagines himself to be a sort of lone special forces operative – special farces would be more accurate – a Mittyish pose that allows him to deploy expressions like “oh-five-hundred hours” and “I’ve got eyes on a target”. And doubtless various other quasi-military phrases he would have been able to use for real during the second world war that he so pantingly fetishises. Or rather, he would have, had he not been born nearly two decades after it ended, chosen to pursue an extremely indifferent City career in commodities trading instead of military service, and not been given to appearing at far-right German rallies. I don’t want to go out on a limb here, but I suspect the latter in particular would have been a bit of a dealbreaker for British military recruiting sergeants in 1939.

So here we are in 2020, with Farage repeatedly talking about “invasions” and “beach landings” – another reminder of the essential truth about him. Namely, that had he lived through the time of his precious war, he would have been so terrified by the scale of its daily realities and so incapable of keeping calm about any of it, that he would have had to be interned for spreading panic. “Invasion” is a ridiculous turn of phrase for what is happening in the Channel, designed to do absolutely nothing to address the problem and absolutely everything to whip up frenzy.


Needless to say, Boris Johnson’s government is yet another administration so terrified of being outflanked on the right by Farage that they tack towards him. Furthermore, this is Johnson’s government’s favourite kind of crisis, which is to say it is not one. It involves relatively very small numbers of people, drives vastly bigger numbers of its base mad – but in a helpful way – and is a useful distraction from any number of real crises that it is failing to deal with. Things like the spectacularly hopeless U-turning on test and trace, or not having a post-transition Brexit deal, or treating a generation of children as an afterthought to the pub trade. These and many other ongoing horror stories are hugely more significant. Exactly how far down the government’s list of priorities events in the Channel should currently be is a matter of opinion, but it certainly wouldn’t be breaking the top 10 any time soon.

So yes, Johnson himself couldn’t be less interested in this sort of thing – he couldn’t be less interested in anything much at all, really – but understands its value as a diversion. Thus yesterday the prime minister took to the airwaves to brand migrant attempts to cross the Channel “a very bad and stupid and dangerous and criminal thing to do”. When you consider that refugees are in the majority young men sent in desperation by their families, it DOES seem strange that they prefer to get their stupid criminal kicks by doing bad things like making perilous sea crossings. They would surely be much better off donning black tie to smash up an Oxford restaurant.

Bafflingly, this wasn’t the line Priti Patel went with yesterday on a visit to Dover. The home secretary is now apparently deemed such an interview risk that her trip was covered by a personal videographer as opposed to news crews. Inevitably, she judges the military and their hardware the answer. RAF planes, Royal Navy ships … it’s very “all the gear, no idea”, like using a Formula One car to pop down to the shops. Indeed, in this same martial spirit, Patel has “issued an ultimatum to France”, giving our nearest neighbours the best opportunity to participate in a diversionary conflict since the Franco-Prussian war. A war footing would certainly suit our own Otto von Jizzmark, Dominic Cummings, who seems cut out for pitching into simple enemies like “the EU”, but stuck on rather bigger tasks like “running a government” and “doing your own childcare even when you’re ill”. Perhaps you reap what you sow. Or as the PM’s official spokesman preferred it yesterday: “At the end of this year we will no longer be bound by the EU’s laws so can negotiate our own returns agreement.” Exciting! Can’t imagine how that’ll turn out.

This article began with one unflushable, though, and it must play out with another. Who should be on hand with his own take on the Channel crossings but Theresa May’s former longtime chief of staff, Nick Timothy, who declares the system so broken that the time has come to process migrants offshore. This isn’t a new idea, naturally – Tony Blair once pushed the idea of Ukraine as a “safe haven” for asylum seekers, indicating his preference for using other countries as locations in which to fight our metaphorical wars as well as our literal ones.

Even so, Timothy’s unsinkable sense of rectitude does set one dreaming of a Britain where a certain type of political attention seeker could be “processed offshore”. Instead, he spent barely a summer holiday in the political wilderness after his spectacular tanking of the 2017 Tory election campaign, emerging with a column in the Daily Telegraph, which was initially branded “Ways to Win”. Talking about broken systems, the one that failed to regard Timothy as even remotely defective for more than five minutes is arguably the most broken of the lot.

Yet on it goes. There will always be a place for him and Farage and all the other guys. We don’t seem to do political has-beens in this country, which is intriguing given the sheer scale of cluster****ery over the past few years. In fact, the one thing you can be absolutely sure of is that all of the people cocking things up now will be on hand for the rest of your lives to offer lucrative advice, misdirection from their mistakes or freelance clifftop video-journalism. We really are a soft-touch country – just not in the way they claim.

Marina Hyde is a Guardian columnist

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/Portal%20Curated/nigel-farage1-small.png?imwidth=100

It's time to declare an emergency in the Channel
Real Australia-style action needs to come soon, as taxpayers know what is
going on is unacceptable and amounts to a national humiliation

https://en.tengrinews.kz/userdata/news_en/2014/news_254037/photo_40653.jpg

Chris Philp, the Government’s minister for immigration compliance, would like voters to believe that he has begun to take the topic of illegal migrants crossing the Channel seriously. Responding to the recent record numbers who repeatedly attempt to make this unlawful journey onto UK shores, he spoke of them facing “real consequences”.

Such language is clearly designed to make everybody think that a change in policy is coming. Exactly a year ago, however, Boris Johnson made similar comments, claiming that illegal immigrants would be returned to France. Yet consider the latest statistics: there were 235 arrivals on Thursday; 146 on Friday; and 150 on Saturday.

All statements on this urgent matter will remain hollow and meaningless until there is real political action, and it needs to come soon. I have spent much of the lockdown period investigating illegal immigration via the Channel. It is a practical matter, whatever anybody says.

The rest of the article is below

In the face of the kind of unwarranted abuse to which I have become accustomed, I predicted that there would be a summer invasion. With up to 4,000 people logged officially this year already, who can say I was wrong?

Taxpayers are becoming increasingly vexed about this issue. They know it is unacceptable at every level. They also realise that it amounts to a national humiliation. Of all the reasons for voting Brexit in 2016, the desire for Britain to control its borders properly was the single thing that increased turnout at the referendum and resulted in the Leave vote.

Now I will make another prediction. The media will – finally – turn its attention to the next phase of this story: four-star hotels all over the country housing immigrants at an estimated cost to the public purse of £4 billion over the next decade. There can be little doubt that the political problems for the Government will worsen unless the nettle is grasped quickly.

Chris Philp has also stated that there are “legislative, legal and operational barriers” to progress. In this he is right, but the problem is not insurmountable. The traffickers in Calais continue in their illegal trade for two main reasons. First, not enough individuals who have made it to Britain by these means have been returned this year, meaning others know it is worth paying the money and taking the chance.

The second reason is that the final Brexit deal may make 2020 the last year that such crossings are possible. As a result of the UK being in the transition period, the EU’s Dublin regulations still apply.

The upshot of this is that the practice of an individual claiming refugee status in the first safe country they reach has been turned on its head. We are now in a situation where what might be called “asylum shopping” has been allowed to take hold in which – under EU rules – the UK is favoured as an ultimate destination over France because of the extraordinary generosity shown by this country to illegal immigrants.

I would argue in the strongest terms that Britain cannot afford to wait until January 2021 for any rule changes to come into force. The time has come already to declare an emergency. This would be far better than sending a few Royal Navy vessels into the Channel where, as things stand, they would simply join the Border Force and RNLI in becoming a taxi service.

The real answer to this problem lies with following the lead provided by the government of Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott several years ago. Like Abbott’s administration, Boris Johnson needs to make it clear that nobody who enters Britain illegally having arrived via France will qualify for refugee status. This is the only realistic solution. Naturally the human rights legal lobby, the United Nations, and those in our society who are soft-headed would cry foul at this. The voting public would cheer the government to the rafters, though. People know that stopping this illegal trade is not just about satisfying public opinion on border controls. Neither is it simply about spending billions of pounds of taxpayers’ money on services which those same taxpayers rely, instead of funding tens of thousands of people who have never paid into the system. No, it is also about national security.

The vast majority of those who come to Britain illegally are young men about whom very little is known. The chances of them integrating into British society and sharing British values are, in most cases, remote. And it is likely that some of them will be active sympathisers with Isil and other extremist groups, as other European nations can testify

Unless Johnson acts quickly, one of his chief legacies will be to have stored up a huge problem for the future of this country. Does he really want to be remembered for this?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/10/time-declare-emergency-channel/

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/letter-resurfaces-from-nigel-farages-schooldays-warning-of-racist-and-fascist-tendencies/11/06/

Letter resurfaces from Nigel Farage’s schooldays warning of “racist” and “fascist” tendencies
The letter expressed concerns about his "publicly professed neo-facist views" - warning that he was prone to singing Hitler youth songs.

https://storage.googleapis.com/cdn.thelondoneconomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/c6e604a0-screencapture-tweetdeck-twitter-2020-06-11-16_09_50-edit-1200x816.png

A letter addressed to Nigel Farage’s school master in 1981 has resurfaced on social media.

The sternly written correspondence signalled early warnings about his neo-fascist tendencies – warning that he was prone to singing Hitler youth songs.

Farage was a pupil at Dulwich college in South London, one of Britain’s most prestigious schools.

In June 2918, English teacher Chloe Deakin begged head teacher David Emms to reconsider his decision to appoint him as a prefect.

Deakin did not know Farage personally but her letter includes an account of what was said by staff at their annual meeting, held a few days earlier, to discuss new prefects.

The letter says that when one teacher said Farage was “a fascist, but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect,” there was “considerable reaction” from colleagues.

The letter continues: “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfJ-pCIX0AIiYEX?format=png&name=small

[The Slim Reaper]

There's a real divide in the country between those that care and those that don't.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfJYDbbWoAAAOMp?format=jpg&name=medium

[Captain.Remy]

Welcome and congrats to all the people arriving safely today!

[Ammi]

There's a real divide in the country between those that care and those that don't.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfJYDbbWoAAAOMp?format=jpg&name=medium

...well it’s only going to get more and more divided, I think...a recession will cause that...:sad:...

[Ammi]

Welcome and congrats to all the people arriving safely today!

...:love:..

[The Slim Reaper]

...well it’s only going to get more and more divided, I think...a recession will cause that...:sad:...

Then throw a no-deal brexit onto a recession and this country doesn't realise what's about to hit it.

Asylum seekers are just a distraction being used so people look at the new shiny thing instead of what the government is actually doing.

[Ammi]

Then throw a no-deal brexit onto a recession and this country doesn't realise what's about to hit it.

Asylum seekers are just a distraction being used so people look at the new shiny thing instead of what the government is actually doing.

...yeah absolutely...it’s a trick as old as time, isn’t it...’ooooo, look over there...’....

...*steals the purse*....

[joeysteele]

It's quite a telling poll.
How many were asked however.

Quite telling CON voters and Leave voters have not much or no sympathy.
Sounds about right,( possibly not on just this issue even as to that).

Is the question as to sympathy or no sympathy at them taking risks crossing or as to the human beings themselves?

Would be interesting to see both those points put to these participants of this poll.

Although, only my view, NOT FACT, before I'm jumped on.
I personally doubt the result would be much different.

[The Slim Reaper]

It's quite a telling poll.
How many were asked however.

Quite telling CON voters and Leave voters have not much or no sympathy.
Sounds about right,( possibly not on just this issue even that).

Is the question as to sympathy or no sympathy at them taking risks crossing or as to the human beings themselves?

Would be interesting to see both those points out to these participants of this poll.

Although, only my view, NOT FACT, before I'm jumped on.
I personally doubt the result would be much different.


It's yougov, which is normally around 1500-2000 I think, and it is tory owned, but it doesn't seem especially off to me, when we look at the brexit results, and the fact legal immigration sent them into a tizzy, never mind brown people arriving in dinghies,

[bots]

i have no sympathy for immigrants travelling from france illegally, they have no reason to be doing it, they are safe in France.

I am getting angry at that viewpoint being considered racist, it's not

[joeysteele]

It's yougov, which is normally around 1500-2000 I think, and it is tory owned, but it doesn't seem especially off to me, when we look at the brexit results, and the fact legal immigration sent them into a tizzy, never mind brown people arriving in dinghies,


Yes, sounds right that Slim Reaper.

[The Slim Reaper]

i have no sympathy for immigrants travelling from france illegally, they have no reason to be doing it, they are safe in France.

I am getting angry at that viewpoint being considered racist, it's not

They are asylum seekers, not immigrants.

So should all of the worlds asylum seekers stop in France? If you lived in France, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be saying they're safe here, so they should stay here.

[Ammi]

...asylum seekers are entitled to have their cases looked at and decided upon...not all will be allowed to stay anyway and maybe only a small minority are...I don’t know the percentages...and if they are given leave to remain, they get quite basic allowances while work is being looked for etc...we don’t know why someone would come to the U.K. as opposed to France...maybe they have family in the U.K., so it would make sense this being their destination country...

[The Slim Reaper]

1293563649106247680

[Cherie]

i have no sympathy for immigrants travelling from france illegally, they have no reason to be doing it, they are safe in France.

I am getting angry at that viewpoint being considered racist, it's not


The patriarchy is alive and well in this issue, I wonder would the sentiment be the same if it were boatloads of young white men leaving their vulnerable family members behind :laugh:

[Liam-]

The patriarchy is alive and well in this issue, I wonder would the sentiment be the same if it were boatloads of young white men leaving their vulnerable family members behind :laugh:

I think the right wingers would be far more accepting of white people yes

[The Slim Reaper]

The patriarchy is alive and well in this issue, I wonder would the sentiment be the same if it were boatloads of young white men leaving their vulnerable family members behind :laugh:

Patriarchy? What does that mean in the context of opinions in this thread? This thread is mostly page after page of anti asylum seeker bs, but a few dissenting posts equals what exactly?

Of course it would be the same if young, white, men, women, and children were fleeing the conditions that these people are. It's not the brown skin that makes them worthy of assistance, it's the fact we caused a lot of these problems, and they're people, not trash or parasites, or an invading force.

[arista]

i have no sympathy for immigrants travelling from France illegally, they have no reason to be doing it, they are safe in France.

I am getting angry at that viewpoint being considered racist, it's not


Good Points

[Cherie]

I think the right wingers would be far more accepting of white people yes

Patriarchy? What does that mean in the context of opinions in this thread? This thread is mostly page after page of anti asylum seeker bs, but a few dissenting posts equals what exactly?

Of course it would be the same if young, white, men, women, and children were fleeing the conditions that these people are. It's not the brown skin that makes them worthy of assistance, it's the fact we caused a lot of these problems, and they're people, not trash or parasites, or an invading force.

Lol it’s not women and children fleeing France though is it, that’s my point it’s boatloads of young fit men who have the edge because of their gender

Again, I will reiterate, we need to be taking families and vulnerable people from camps and every boatload arriving illegally means less of that happening

[Ammi]

...I read an article quite recently that said the percentage of young adult men seeking asylum had stayed pretty flat in its figures for the last 10 years...and it’s a lower percentage of granted asylum as it is with families...I guess there will always be working age males though who would be looking to work and send money to their families in their home country...and hope for them to join them in the future as well...I don’t know if that’s the case...but we don’t see all ‘arrivals’ of those seeking asylum in the U.K. and then there is a whole, lengthy process to go through and we don’t know who is granted and who isn’t...many, many will be turned away and will return to their home countries, I would think...Nigel Farage has just so, so much to answer for...while he sits there with his glass of Port and cigar, or whatever he does...

[Cherie]

...I read an article quite recently that said the percentage of young adult men seeking asylum had stayed pretty flat in its figures for the last 10 years...and it’s a lower percentage of granted asylum as it is with families...I guess there will always be working age males though who would be looking to work and send money to their families in their home country...and hope for them to join them in the future as well...I don’t know if that’s the case...but we don’t see all ‘arrivals’ of those seeking asylum in the U.K. and then there is a whole, lengthy process to go through and we don’t know who is granted and who isn’t...many, many will be turned away and will return to their home countries, I would think...Nigel Farage has just so, so much to answer for...while he sits there with his glass of Port and cigar, or whatever he does...

if that is the case why are they not seeking to settle and work in many of the safe countries they have travelled through? if my family was depending on me why would I risk my life crossing the channel to spend months awaiting processing, makes no sense to me anyway

I feel sorry for those that have families here though from what I have seen reported it tends to be cousins and more extended family rather than immediate family

The BBC followed a family in a camp in Syria for a year, it was so uplifting to see that family fjnally being brought to the UK and settled in a home, and ready to integrate into the community, and the opportunity for their girls to start school :love:

[Captain.Remy]

A new day of people arriving, congrats for making it through guys! A little bit of love for them!

[Cherie]

Leaving what must be the ****hole that is France, as they are so desperate to leave :clap1:

[Captain.Remy]

Leaving what must be the ****hole that is their homecountry, as they are so desperate to leave :clap1:

Edited slightly because they're not from France, you know.

They probably have good reasons to want to move to the UK :shrug: They probably like English tea better than coffee, that must be the only reason they left their homecountry in the first place.

[Cherie]

Edited slightly because they're not from France, you know.

They probably have good reasons to want to move to the UK :shrug: They probably like English tea better than coffee, that must be the only reason they left their homecountry in the first place.

France must be a terrible place as they risk their lives to flee :pipe:

[Captain.Remy]

France must be a terrible place as they risk their lives to flee :pipe:

Or maybe it was their initial goal to get to the UK? Who knows. Certainly not any of us.

Anyway, I'm not here to do the whole discussion thing again, I did it previously in this thread and it's never ending. Just here to show daily support and love to people who have terrible lives and made it to where they wanted to be with the hope to live a happier life. Love love love.:love::love::love:

[Cherie]

Or maybe it was their initial goal to get to the UK? Who knows. Certainly not any of us.

Anyway, I'm not here to do the whole discussion thing again, I did it previously in this thread and it's never ending. Just here to show daily support and love to people who have terrible lives and made it to where they wanted to be with the hope to live a happier life. Love love love.:love::love::love:

That's economic then, not asylum, lets call it what it is rather than wrapping it up in the Asylum blanket. Also it doesn't say much for the French economy if they can't make a life there, but that' s another story.

[joeysteele]

Or maybe it was their initial goal to get to the UK? Who knows. Certainly not any of us.

Anyway, I'm not here to do the whole discussion thing again, I did it previously in this thread and it's never ending. Just here to show daily support and love to people who have terrible lives and made it to where they wanted to be with the hope to live a happier life. Love love love.:love::love::love:


Absolutely, really thought provoking post from you there.

I despair for the UK, particularly England now.

It's really concerning some of the intolerant attitude to, as you near indicate, those just hoping for a possibly better life and future.

Young fitter individuals, would be able to work harder and easier to help their families in the future by earning initially.

If I were an asylum seeker myself, I doubt I'd now be looking at England as a land of opportunity anymore.
With some of the really hostile attitudes directed at them, no matter their circumstances or why they're seeking asylum.

The UK governments, (plural, all parties of government), like messing up in other Countries, however not so keen on sorting the mess out we help in part create there however.

[Cherie]

The last thing I will say on this is it's cheering on the traffickers, these guys are paying to risk they lives and being sold a dummy, in reality they will come here, be processed, and be returned, it's the trafficers who are laughing all the way to the bank selling dreams that do not exist

[The Slim Reaper]

Or maybe it was their initial goal to get to the UK? Who knows. Certainly not any of us.

Anyway, I'm not here to do the whole discussion thing again, I did it previously in this thread and it's never ending. Just here to show daily support and love to people who have terrible lives and made it to where they wanted to be with the hope to live a happier life. Love love love.:love::love::love:

The same folks saying they should stay in France wouldn't be saying that if they lived in France. Then it would be that they should have stayed in Italy or Greece. The moveable goalposts.

[arista]

[15 life jackets were counted at the spot where they
came ashore suggesting others may have slipped away.
Eleven illegal migrants including mother and teenage son
are rounded up by police near Dover town centre
after arriving in dinghy which was discovered next to port]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/14/11/31943418-8627143-image-a-56_1597401865150.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8627143/Eleven-migrants-including-mother-teenage-son-rounded-police-near-Dover-town-centre.html

[The Slim Reaper]

[15 life jackets were counted at the spot where they
came ashore suggesting others may have slipped away.
Eleven illegal migrants including mother and teenage son
are rounded up by police near Dover town centre
after arriving in dinghy which was discovered next to port]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/14/11/31943418-8627143-image-a-56_1597401865150.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8627143/Eleven-migrants-including-mother-teenage-son-rounded-police-near-Dover-town-centre.html


Can't be right. People in this thread keep telling us it's only men crossing the channel.

[Kizzy]

but the people coming over in boats aren't doing that are they? they want to get into the UK system bypassing legitimate asylum routes. Everyone in this thread knows this, so I can't for the life of me understand why people are defending them

tsojZ8dXhvQ

[Captain.Remy]

[15 life jackets were counted at the spot where they
came ashore suggesting others may have slipped away.
Eleven illegal migrants including mother and teenage son
are rounded up by police near Dover town centre
after arriving in dinghy which was discovered next to port]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/14/11/31943418-8627143-image-a-56_1597401865150.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8627143/Eleven-migrants-including-mother-teenage-son-rounded-police-near-Dover-town-centre.html

Yay! Welcome and congrats for making it! :dance:

[arista]

Yay! Welcome and congrats for making it! :dance:


You need to take them back/

[The Slim Reaper]

That's economic then, not asylum, lets call it what it is rather than wrapping it up in the Asylum blanket. Also it doesn't say much for the French economy if they can't make a life there, but that' s another story.

The benefits available to asylum seekers in France is just over double what they can get here.

[Captain.Remy]

You need to take them back/

They want to be in the UK, let them be happy and build a nice future there.

[Cherie]

Can't be right. People in this thread keep telling us it's only men crossing the channel.

I think by people you mean me, ...what is the percentage of women, elderly folk and children crossing?

[Cherie]

The benefits available to asylum seekers in France is just over double what they can get here.

Whats your point?

[The Slim Reaper]

I think by people you mean me, ...what is the percentage of women, elderly folk and children crossing?

I have no idea, but neither does anyone else in this thread.

[The Slim Reaper]

Whats your point?

It can't be purely economic if they are passing up double the benefits to leave there.

[Cherie]

It can't be purely economic if they are passing up double the benefits to leave there.

Nah not buying that

[The Slim Reaper]

Nah not buying that

If someone left a job to join another company for half the salary, then said it was for economic reasons, what wold you think?

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfFHGQYWkAgUSkB?format=jpg&name=small

[Ammi]

...it may be that some asylum seekers have relatives living in the U.K. already...which would indicate this being their destination country...

[Cherie]

If someone left a job to join another company for half the salary, then said it was for economic reasons, what wold you think?

I would think there is something not right with the story, I assume they are leaving France as they have not been given status as asylum seekers, if i'ts that good they are leaving for a reason, either they have family members here in the UK or they will be deported by the French

[Captain.Remy]

Let's not assume what are people's motives to do what they are doing, please. It can be one, many, neither already mentionned, all of the above etc So let's be kind.

[Cherie]

I'm very kind :smug:

[arista]

They want to be in the UK, let them be happy and build a nice future there.


No Future.
No Money.


It's cheaper to pay France
to take them back.

[Captain.Remy]

No Future.
No Money.


It's cheaper to pay France
to take them back.

Why just France though, if I follow your logic? They don't come FROM France, they're for someplace else and crossed other european countries to get there. So that doesn't make sense. Just be tolerant and open-minded, it's not that hard.

[arista]

Why just France though, if I follow your logic? They don't come FROM France, they're for someplace else and crossed other European countries to get there. So that doesn't make sense. Just be tolerant and open-minded, it's not that hard.


We will soon return to them France
as that the last place they came from.
And The UK will have to pay France

[The Slim Reaper]

We will soon return to them France
as that the last place they came from.
And The UK will have to pay France

Perfect. The gov wll be cutting services to the poor of this country because of the recession and no deal brexit, but paying 10's of millions of pounds to stop a few desperate brown people getting in here. Shameful and a complete waste of money.

[arista]

Perfect. The gov will be cutting services to the poor of this country because of the recession and no deal Brexit, but paying 10's of millions of pounds to stop a few desperate brown people getting in here. Shameful and a complete waste of money.


Look Slim we have no choice
to get a solid agreement
the French demand money,
so we will have to pay them
per illegal migrant returned.


In the Long run
it is cheaper to do this.

[The Slim Reaper]

Look Slim we have no choice
to get a solid agreement
the French demand money,
so we will have to pay them
per illegal migrant returned.


In the Long run
it is cheaper to do this.

Would you rather £1 being invested in the services this country needs, such as healthcare, homelessness, poverty etc, or that £1 going to France to repel dinghies?

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfZDjPCXsAEuDhS?format=jpg&name=medium

If the look on that mans face is him fleeing France it must be a terrible place :laugh:

That photograph is no better than Farage's invasion picture :nono:

These people are leaving a safe haven, putting their kids in plastic boats and crossing a busy shipping lane, that is not the act of responsible adults

[Liam-]

People would still whinge if these people came in through the ‘proper’ channels, it’s not about the method, it’s about the people

[Ammi]

..something I’m just reading atm...

‘The main reasons asylum-seekers come to the UK are that they speak English or have a family connection there, and because Britain’s family reunification programme is faster than other countries‘...

[Ammi]

... “I have no money, no food, no home, no reason to carry on living if they try to stop me getting to England,”....I think it’s more about being desperate adults, tbh...in a way that our lives would find it difficult to imagine...

[Cherie]

People would still whinge if these people came in through the ‘proper’ channels, it’s not about the method, it’s about the people

well I wouldn't for starters so maybe less of the generalisations?

[arista]

Would you rather £1 being invested in the services this country needs, such as healthcare, homelessness, poverty etc, or that £1 going to France to repel dinghies?

Never that simple

[Tom4784]

It's all just smoke tactics, it's easier for the rich to do what they do when they turn the populace against someone less fortunate than themselves.

People who obsess over immigration are doing exactly what the rich want them to do, if we're too busy whining about immigrants, the unemployed etc, we don't focus on who is really draining the country dry.

[Captain.Remy]

People would still whinge if these people came in through the ‘proper’ channels, it’s not about the method, it’s about the people

CAN I GET AN AMEN UP IN THERE FOR THOSE HOLY WORDS? thanks.

[Cherie]

CAN I GET AN AMEN UP IN THERE FOR THOSE HOLY WORDS? thanks.

I didn’t know Mystic Meg had joined the forum...tell me what I had for my dinner :amazed:

[joeysteele]

For me, asylum seekers warrant support and to be cared about.
Seeking security and hope of a new life are not crimes.

They are human beings from being on this planet Earth.
No matter our nationality, we are all the human race.

That's all that should matter in my view.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1294563832204079105/lXlHfoUb?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Aaliyah]

All Lives Matter- WE ONLY DON'T LIVE LIKE THEM DUE TO PURE LUCK. LET THEM IN.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/2297/production/_113955880_mail-1.jpg

[Kizzy]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/2297/production/_113955880_mail-1.jpg

Bahaha!!! Excape prejudice?.. here?!!!

Oh Lordy ... what a joke.


Oh and, demonic dom and bozo getting covids? ...Corbyn's fault lol!

[The Slim Reaper]

If the look on that mans face is him fleeing France it must be a terrible place :laugh:

That photograph is no better than Farage's invasion picture :nono:

These people are leaving a safe haven, putting their kids in plastic boats and crossing a busy shipping lane, that is not the act of responsible adults

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5762970815000030001b9bb6.png?ops=scalefit_630_noup scale

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClEMSUAWQAAy5Rw?format=jpg&name=small

You're seriously suggesting that those are equal to each other? The worst that would have happened to dom is that he would have been fired. We've seen dead asylum seekers being killed at sea and washing up on the shore for years, so asking for them to be treated better is as bad as nazi propaganda?

I tell you what is similar to the current narrative in this country:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfJ-pCIX0AIiYEX?format=png&name=small

[Captain.Remy]

DAILY WELCOME TO NEW PEOPLE ARRIVING TODAY! :love: :love: :love:

[bots]

DAILY WELCOME TO NEW PEOPLE ARRIVING TODAY! :love: :love: :love:

i presume you are welcoming those sent back to you in france :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

Perfect. The gov wll be cutting services to the poor of this country because of the recession and no deal brexit, but paying 10's of millions of pounds to stop a few desperate brown people getting in here. Shameful and a complete waste of money.

If our already stretched services are getting further cuts, the last thing they need is even more people.

[Cherie]

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5762970815000030001b9bb6.png?ops=scalefit_630_noup scale

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClEMSUAWQAAy5Rw?format=jpg&name=small

You're seriously suggesting that those are equal to each other? The worst that would have happened to dom is that he would have been fired. We've seen dead asylum seekers being killed at sea and washing up on the shore for years, so asking for them to be treated better is as bad as nazi propaganda?

I tell you what is similar to the current narrative in this country:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfJ-pCIX0AIiYEX?format=png&name=small

I was referring to the picture of the man with the child, that was not taken at Dover

I watched a very interesting debate in this this morning, 24 million the people traffickers have pocketed while those with no funds languish in camps

[Captain.Remy]

i presume you are welcoming those sent back to you in france :laugh:

YAY! Open arms everywhere!

[The Slim Reaper]

I was referring to the picture of the man with the child, that was not taken at Dover

I watched a very interesting debate in this this morning, 24 million the people traffickers have pocketed while those with no funds languish in camps

Yeah, I know. Likening that with Farage's nazi-esque propaganda seems a bit iffy at best to me.

[Cherie]

Yeah, I know. Likening that with Farage's nazi-esque propaganda seems a bit iffy at best to me.

Neither paint a true picture, not appreciating that is iffy to me :idc:

[Tom4784]

It's not immigrants that are pushing the country to breaking point, it's the rich that's bleeding it dry.