UK / IRL immigration thread [was Illegal Migrants French boats & Lorrys entering...]

[The Slim Reaper]

Neither paint a true picture, not appreciating that is iffy to me :idc:

False equivalence; Farage used that propaganda in the last weeks of the referendum to lie people into voting for brexit, someone knocked the pic I posted, up on their home pc in 10 minute to mock what the tories have done. There is nothing remotely similar about these 2 things.

[Aaliyah]

Let them in. Let them in!

[Captain.Remy]

Good morning and welcome to newcomers! We love to see it! :love:

[Ammi]

Good morning and welcome to newcomers! We love to see it! :love:

...:love:..

[Cherie]

Let them in. Let them in!

Would you apply that at airports as well, just scrap passport checkpoint?

[joeysteele]

It's not immigrants that are pushing the country to breaking point, it's the rich that's bleeding it dry.

Absolutely right.

It's worrying really the lack of both compassion and understanding for asylum seekers in my view.

While I accept it's really bad that people are making money out of their desperation to travel in substandard boats or even a frightening dinghy.

Surely decent governments and those in power can find much easier and safer ways to not only remove that exploitation of asylum seekers.
Also to then set out on an agenda of supporting and protecting them.

Respecting them for the human beings they are and not treating them like they've no worth.

[Liam-]

It's not immigrants that are pushing the country to breaking point, it's the rich that's bleeding it dry.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfDr0tKWAAAHKqN?format=jpg&name=small

[Nicky91]

It's not immigrants that are pushing the country to breaking point, it's the rich that's bleeding it dry.

yup Britain still believing they are an empire is their biggest mistake, something which aren't anymore

can easily understand why a country like Australia has changed its national anthem, and also one country which easily can be seen as to having decent border/custom protocols (which i see in their reality show Border Security)


but back on topic, immigrants should be allowed to live in UK if they want to, be allowed to work in UK if they want to, which is also why brexit is wrong, it ruins lives of foreigners whom already have worked longer period of time in UK, basically built their lives up, children going to schools too in UK, a terrifying thought if brexit ruins all of that

[Aaliyah]

Would you apply that at airports as well, just scrap passport checkpoint?

YES

[Cherie]

YES

That would be fun, bring it :laugh:

[Captain.Remy]

That would be fun, bring it :laugh:

#citizenoftheworld in your Insta bio?

[Kizzy]

That's economic then, not asylum, lets call it what it is rather than wrapping it up in the Asylum blanket. Also it doesn't say much for the French economy if they can't make a life there, but that' s another story.

Not sure how you got this from the post you quoted, it proves to me one thing, that the anti asylum seeker propaganda is working as well now as it did in the 30s.

You looked at that picture of a desperate man and his child and you made a glib comment with a laughing face.
In this comment you admit you don't class anyone who reaches British waters as a refugee at all.

All the facts on those claiming asylum are lost as you appear to be directly quoting right wing tabloid soundbites.

[Cherie]

#citizenoftheworld in your Insta bio?

I believe so :pipe:

[Kizzy]

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/racist-abuse-defending-migrants-culture-war-581695

[Beso]

Absolutely right.

It's worrying really the lack of both compassion and understanding for asylum seekers in my view.

While I accept it's really bad that people are making money out of their desperation to travel in substandard boats or even a frightening dinghy.

Surely decent governments and those in power can find much easier and safer ways to not only remove that exploitation of asylum seekers.
Also to then set out on an agenda of supporting and protecting them.

Respecting them for the human beings they are and not treating them like they've no worth.

I'm sorry but they can all **** off back to where they come from until we can assure ourselves that there are no extremists amongst them like the Boston bombers or Manchester bombers..I'm afraid the risk of bloodshed of our own people just aint worth the risk of bringing them here.

Crime is already rising in the areas they re being housed.

[Ammi]

...just kind of connected to that story, Kizzy...well It’s all connected in that, how asylum seekers are often portrayed in the media in a way that can cause resentment ...on a neutral site which just gives fiscal information, the cost of an ‘immigrant’ is something that can’t be accurately assessed because each individual would be different...are they working, do they have a skill, is schooling required/a family...and etc, etc, there is no single ‘correct’ answer...anyway though...most studies suggest that the fiscal impact of immigration in the UK is relatively small....(amounting to less than 1% of the country's overall Gross Domestic Product...)...


...in contrast, a DM article...?...would tell us that immigration costs the U.K. £17billion every year...(...which might still amount to less than 1%, I’m not sure...)...but it’s a much more negatively provocative way of saying...and that’s the vein with much of the media of how we’re led with immigration...that an immigrant ‘would consume far more in public services and benefits than they pay in taxes.‘...that they’re provided with health, education, policing, roads and other services, when many immigrants come to seek work and are working contributors to all of these things...anyways, the media article slant of ‘taking back control of our borders..’...is designed to create resentment, which then can lead to prejudices...

[bots]

there is no problem with immigration, but it must be done legally, i would have thought that was obvious

[Ammi]

...it really isn’t up to us to say or speculate what’s legal because we just don’t know, it’s all so media led and slanted...with the help of Farage, type people, obviously...for those who are not granted stay in the U.K., then they won’t be allowed to...but if they are, that means they were deemed legally entitled to...

[Nicky91]

new refugees soon incoming towards UK, maybe US too

from Belarus, those who are anti-lukashenko


is what i predict

[joeysteele]

I'm sorry but they can all **** off back to where they come from until we can assure ourselves that there are no extremists amongst them like the Boston bombers or Manchester bombers..I'm afraid the risk of bloodshed of our own people just aint worth the risk of bringing them here.

Crime is already rising in the areas they re being housed.

This post is everything I disagree with as to the tone, inferences and even pre conceived judgements of attitude from any in this Nation, towards those hopefully seeking security and a new hope and life.
It represents, possibly only in my view, the worst of thinking.

That's all I'm going to say.

[Nicky91]

I'm sorry but they can all **** off back to where they come from until we can assure ourselves that there are no extremists amongst them like the Boston bombers or Manchester bombers..I'm afraid the risk of bloodshed of our own people just aint worth the risk of bringing them here.

Crime is already rising in the areas they re being housed.

the xenophobia stench in this post

[Nicky91]

but anyway i am also against that same anti-immigrant attitude from my parents

i just mean, we do not know what they have experienced like in their own countries, our own privileges and no i am not talking about class now, but of course it is always better in countries like UK, USA, Netherlands, scandinavian ones like Norway, Sweden

i just am fed up by that xenophobia, hatred towards immigrants by now, and the ''crime excuse'' well if there weren't immigrants there would still be crime so

[Cherie]

there is no problem with immigration, but it must be done legally, i would have thought that was obvious

No problem with it either, given I am one myself but it has to be managed properly

Lining traffickers pockets is not the way

[Captain.Remy]

Rise and shine, welcome to newcomers today! :love:

[Beso]

This post is everything I disagree with as to the tone, inferences and even pre conceived judgements of attitude from any in this Nation, towards those hopefully seeking security and a new hope and life.
It represents, possibly only in my view, the worst of thinking.

That's all I'm going to say.

And it's the burying the head in the sand attitude that has already allowed the bloodshed in this and other countries from immigrants hell bent on terror, I'm sorry but the risks of it happening again far out way my concern for these free loaders.

[Beso]

but anyway i am also against that same anti-immigrant attitude from my parents

i just mean, we do not know what they have experienced like in their own countries, our own privileges and no i am not talking about class now, but of course it is always better in countries like UK, USA, Netherlands, scandinavian ones like Norway, Sweden

i just am fed up by that xenophobia, hatred towards immigrants by now, and the ''crime excuse'' well if there weren't immigrants there would still be crime so

There would be less crime...and that is a FACT...and far less violent crime towards women.

[Oliver_W]

what facts? any evidence to back this up?



A lot of them come from cultures where abuse towards women and gays is, if not the norm, then a blind eye is turned.

That aside, poverty leads to crime. Depending on how much money the young men paid the traffickers lol, they're unlikely to be rich...

[MTVN]

The majority of migrants using one of the most common sea routes into Europe are not in need of “international protection”, a report by the UN refugee agency has found.

The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) found that more than 70 per cent of those making the perilous crossing from Libya are unlikely to qualify for asylum when they arrive.

In response to the figures, Vincent Cochetel, the UNHCR special envoy for the region, has admitted that a “fair and equitable return mechanism” must be put in place or “the entire asylum system will be called into question”.

It comes as a record number of migrants attempt to cross the English Channel in small boats, many of whom will have come across the Mediterranean into Europe before travelling across land to Calais.

Tony Smith, the former director general of the Border Force, has said that officials are seeing the “same faces” among those attempting to make the crossing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/18/majority-migrants-crossing-major-sea-route-eu-not-need-protection/

[Kizzy]

there is no problem with immigration, but it must be done legally, i would have thought that was obvious

Using the term ‘illegal’ in relation to immigration implies a distinction between people, neatly divided between those lawfully in the country and those not. Those using it never seem to ask themselves whether the distinction exists in practice or principle.

If they were to attempt in good conscience an answer, they would need to confront several difficulties. Among people who enter the country without permission or stay longer than permitted, are many that cannot be properly labelled with 'wrongdoing'. Refugees, for example, must get to the UK before they can seek asylum. Many of them are compelled to enter without permission – and international human rights law entitles them to do so. This is necessary to guarantee their right to safety. There is no wrongdoing in a refugee crossing a border to claim asylum.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/blogs/yes-minister-it-human-rights-issue/stop-saying-illegal-immigrants

[joeysteele]

And it's the burying the head in the sand attitude that has already allowed the bloodshed in this and other countries from immigrants hell bent on terror, I'm sorry but the risks of it happening again far out way my concern for these free loaders.

I'm more concerned with the turning away and showing no compassion.

That's the worst form of burying heads in the sand to me.

You're generalising to all of them.
That's frightening in itself.

We're pretty keen to allow the governments we elect to interfere and even help create problems in their Countries however.
That gets supported.
Very revealing.

[bots]

Using the term ‘illegal’ in relation to immigration implies a distinction between people, neatly divided between those lawfully in the country and those not. Those using it never seem to ask themselves whether the distinction exists in practice or principle.

If they were to attempt in good conscience an answer, they would need to confront several difficulties. Among people who enter the country without permission or stay longer than permitted, are many that cannot be properly labelled with 'wrongdoing'. Refugees, for example, must get to the UK before they can seek asylum. Many of them are compelled to enter without permission – and international human rights law entitles them to do so. This is necessary to guarantee their right to safety. There is no wrongdoing in a refugee crossing a border to claim asylum.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/blogs/yes-minister-it-human-rights-issue/stop-saying-illegal-immigrants

that's just plain wrong. The people coming over from france are in a safe country. They can go through the proper procedures to apply to come to the uk, but they don't, they get in a boat because they know they are not asylum seekers and try to get here illegally. I don't want undocumented people who could be criminals or terrorist entering the uk, and I will support all efforts to stop it happening

[arista]

Capt. Remy
Sort your Criminal Gangs out.

Migrant, 16, found dead on beach in Calais

https://news.sky.com/story/sudanese-migrant-16-found-dead-on-beach-in-calais-12052342

[Oliver_W]

Sad. Hopefully this will be a hint to France that failing to stop people from trying to cross the Channel costs lives.

[Kizzy]

that's just plain wrong. The people coming over from france are in a safe country. They can go through the proper procedures to apply to come to the uk, but they don't, they get in a boat because they know they are not asylum seekers and try to get here illegally. I don't want undocumented people who could be criminals or terrorist entering the uk, and I will support all efforts to stop it happening
It might seem wrong to you but that doesn't make it illegal. Undocumented people? Do you think when people arrive here legally they have terrorist printed on their passport.
Or they have just wandered out of the wilderness to cross the channel and there's no way to verify who they are?

They are asylum seekers even if they pass through other countries borders to get here.
To criminalise them for that is wrong under international law, which is why they are held and processed. The conditions they are held in are wrong, and are more likely to be classed as illegal.

[Kizzy]

Sad. Hopefully this will be a hint to France that failing to stop people from trying to cross the Channel costs lives.

Cost lives? ... they didnt die in the water they were murdered. You're victim blaming by saying if they werent there they wouldnt have been murdered, can you hear how messed up that sounds? It should be a hint to us to stop dehumanising people, as that's the real problem and your post makes that very clear.

[Oliver_W]

Cost lives? ... they didnt die in the water they were murdered. You're victim blaming by saying if they werent there they wouldnt have been murdered, can you here how messed up that sounds? It should be a hint to us to stop dehumanising people, as that is the real problem and your post makes that very clear.

Murdered? :joker:

There's no victim blaming, no-one forced them to make an unsanctioned and unneeded crossing of a dangerous body of water.

No-one's dehumanising anyone, France should keep those humans from trying to cross the Channel.

[Beso]

I'm more concerned with the turning away and showing no compassion.

That's the worst form of burying heads in the sand to me.

You're generalising to all of them.
That's frightening in itself.

We're pretty keen to allow the governments we elect to interfere and even help create problems in their Countries however.
That gets supported.
Very revealing.


Who is supporting it?
What is revealing and whom is it revealing?

People willing to let these people come to our shores without checks have the blood of everyone of the Manchester victims on thier hands...all the raped victims or the old lady who had her throat cut by an immigrant...everyone willing to stand back and allow this to continue will have the blood of every future victim on thier hands..

[Captain.Remy]

No-one's dehumanising anyone, France should keep those humans from trying to cross the Channel.

Well, you wanted to get of the EU, now deal with it. Clearly the migrants want to get to the UK, I can't see why France should be the one to blame for the UK being so attractive to asylum seekers. France is saying that since you don't want to deal with then EU system, then it's your problem. We love freedom here, we let people go where they want. That doesn't prevent from trying to fight gangs and criminal activities, but the French authorities won't put more money there. And it's not just France tbh. The migrants don't come FROM France, but crossed the country too. If anything it should be EU countries that have borders with non-EU countries you might want to blame.

[Kizzy]

Who is supporting it?
What is revealing and whom is it revealing?

People willing to let these people come to our shores without checks have the blood of everyone of the Manchester victims on thier hands...all the raped victims or the old lady who had her throat cut by an immigrant...everyone willing to stand back and allow this to continue will have the blood of every future victim on thier hands..


The Manchester bomber wasn't a refugee he was British...
This is right wing fear mongering are it's best. ' they're coming here to kill us in our beds!!'

[Kizzy]

Well, you wanted to get of the EU, now deal with it. Clearly the migrants want to get to the UK, I can't see why France should be the one to blame for the UK being so attractive to asylum seekers. France is saying that since you don't want to deal with then EU system, then it's your problem. We love freedom here, we let people go where they want. That doesn't prevent from trying to fight gangs and criminal activities, but the French authorities won't put more money there. And it's not just France tbh. The migrants don't come FROM France, but crossed the country too. If anything it should be EU countries that have borders with non-EU countries you might want to blame.

It's counties that start destabilising illegal wars that are to blame.

[Captain.Remy]

It's counties that start destabilising illegal wars that are to blame.

That's why I'm not blaming either France or other EU countries. I was just pointing that, why is France the one to blame? It's not. The migrants are not from this country. It's like the British media and people can't look further than the Channel. The horrible management of the countries where they're from is the one to blame. Dictators, corruption etc

[Kizzy]

That's why I'm not blaming either France or other EU countries. I was just pointing that, why is France the one to blame? It's not. The migrants are not from this country. It's like the British media and people can't look further than the Channel. The horrible management of the countries where they're from is the one to blame. Dictators, corruption etc

I meant the Brits. ..we started an illegal war didn't we? Remember Blair?

[Oliver_W]

I meant the Brits. ..we started an illegal war didn't we? Remember Blair?

I've never started an illegal war in my life :shrug: if "we" are responsible for that, the migrants crossing the Channel are responsible for islamic terrorism.

[Beso]

The Manchester bomber wasn't a refugee he was British...
This is right wing fear mongering are it's best. ' they're coming here to kill us in our beds!!'

Ok I accept the manchester bombers were born in britain...but the rest though...:nono:

Just one atrocity on a uk citizen by an illegal immigrant( ie someone here illegally) should be enough to stop them all coming over.

[arista]

France has taken 41 Illegal Migrants back
they saved them.

The Weather has changed
Storm Ellen



The Dead Sudan migrant found on French beach
could not swim.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-53835374

France blames the Criminal Smugglers

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/19/12/32129904-8642917-image-a-12_1597836613324.jpg

[Beso]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/19/12/32129904-8642917-image-a-12_1597836613324.jpg

If the people they are working together with are the people in the hotels, then it makes sense to bring them here and pay for them, just as long as they provide info on these gangs.:fist:

[Liam-]

This is what this country is dealing with, blood thirsty racists, stirred up by the likes of Farage and other right wing melts, it’s ****ing disgraceful.

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[arista]

If the people they are working together with are the people in the hotels, then it makes sense to bring them here and pay for them, just as long as they provide info on these gangs.:fist:


Yes the Criminal Smuggler Gangs
are not being stopped, yet.

[Cherie]

This is what this country is dealing with, blood thirsty racists, stirred up by the likes of Farage and other right wing melts, it’s ****ing disgraceful.

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some grim comments there

[arista]

"This is what this country is dealing with, blood thirsty racists"


Of course the internet is wide
with all views.

But why post that when — its not on National TV news

[Liam-]

Didn’t realise it had to be on the news to be relevent?

[Beso]

Yes the Criminal Smuggler Gangs
are not being stopped, yet.

You would think that would be very easy for the French and all thier expertise to sort out...non?

[Kizzy]

I've never started an illegal war in my life :shrug: if "we" are responsible for that, the migrants crossing the Channel are responsible for islamic terrorism.

'We' as a country not individuals.

From the posts in here it seems the Asylum seekers are very much being accused of being responsible for future terrorism.

[Kizzy]

Ok I accept the manchester bombers were born in britain...but the rest though...:nono:

Just one atrocity on a uk citizen by an illegal immigrant( ie someone here illegally) should be enough to stop them all coming over.

There are no illegal immigrants. Who are 'the rest'?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Manchester bomber wasn't a refugee he was British...
This is right wing fear mongering are it's best. ' they're coming here to kill us in our beds!!'
A wolf born in a stable is not a horse.

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/5WwnhxdRg0kq77H0d4aFnQ/https/media.fyre.co/Ildh6VdZSHSRqgNWPoCY_metro-front-page-1908_1597867622.JPG

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1296036296520065024/CqBGzS4J?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/B629/production/_114033664_dm.jpg

[Tom4784]

It's a tragedy but sadly the UK has mostly been conditioned to see asylum seekers as vermin less worthy of life than us so there won't be much sympathy for the kid. Maybe if they were a white child the reaction would be different but certainly not for someone from Sudan.

[Kizzy]

A wolf born in a stable is not a horse.

Interesting analogy, is a white wolf a horse?

[Ammi]

...this is so, so sad...and that any loved ones in Sudan may never know, breaks my heart...:sad:...we can never imagine the desperation that leads to people risking their lives in the way we see, for a more bearable life and for a future that’s impossible in their home countries...humankind was never built with an equal chance, sadly...nothing will stop lives being risked, I feel...because for some, it’s their only chance of a life to be had, so the risk is worth it because it gives some hope...

[Cherie]

Using the word ‘vermin’ to describe human beings to score points must be one of the lowest things I have ever witnessed on this forum

It appears the shovels that were used as paddles accidentally punctured their dinghy, the traffickers win again, poor lad

[Tom4784]

Using the word ‘vermin’ to describe human beings to score points must be one of the lowest things I have ever witnessed on this forum

It appears the shovels that were used as paddles accidentally punctured their dinghy, the traffickers win again, poor lad

Again, Cherie, read what I said properly before you get the pitchforks out. You act like I'm trying to score points but twisting my words to make out that I called immigrants vermin is a pure attempt at point scoring on your part.

[Cherie]

Again, Cherie, read what I said properly before you get the pitchforks out. You act like I'm trying to score points but twisting my words to make out that I called immigrants vermin is a pure attempt at point scoring on your part.

my reading skills are fine, I see exactly what you said previously

[Tom4784]

my reading skills are fine, I see exactly what you said previously

You obviously didn't since you completely twisted what I said to score points. Like, it's literally right there, you can't deny it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

UK Home Secretary Priti Patel said the death of the young migrant was a "brutal reminder" that people smugglers exploit the vulnerable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

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Bang On Right

[joeysteele]

It's a tragedy but sadly the UK has mostly been conditioned to see asylum seekers as vermin less worthy of life than us so there won't be much sympathy for the kid. Maybe if they were a white child the reaction would be different but certainly not for someone from Sudan.

The sad thing is Dezzy.
As what you point out is really sadly accurate.

There has been a conditioning of presenting immigrants and asylum seekers as vermin and undesirable threats to the UK.

It's worrying that in areas of the UK people have appeared to have taken that conditioning on too.

Strong point.

[Liam-]

So now right wing racists are going to pretend to care about the lives of refugees, when they’ve spent the past couple of years dehumanising them, it’s never been about traffickers, it’s always been about the foreign, non-white people coming over, they don’t care that they’re being exploited, people like Farage are the worst types of ghouls

[bots]

not once have i seen immigrants being classified as vermin. People get branded racists when they want the law applied to immigrants and now words are falsely being put in their mouths regarding vermin. That's what's disgusting

[Crimson Dynamo]

Luckily Nigel has brought this to the attention of the nation, he should (and is) be applauded.

His new role as investigative journalist is flourishing

INy6s0Hw6mg


Boris Johnson has said that migrants crossing the Channel is a “very bad and stupid and dangerous and criminal thing to do” as he hinted at changing laws to address the situation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just heard on radion 2 that the drowned man had papers on him stating he was 28

not 16

[Tom4784]

So now right wing racists are going to pretend to care about the lives of refugees, when they’ve spent the past couple of years dehumanising them, it’s never been about traffickers, it’s always been about the foreign, non-white people coming over, they don’t care that they’re being exploited, people like Farage are the worst types of ghouls

Pretty much, it's very transparent and grotesque. It's never been about traffickers, it's always been about stopping 'undesirables' and in this case, they can't blame immigrants so they try to mask what they want to say by focusing on traffickers.

Traffickers or not, desperate people will do desperate things for a chance of a life free of tyranny. Traffickers are vile exploitative creatures but people dying for a chance at a better life won't be solved by focusing on traffickers. If these people truly cared about asylum seekers, they'd shine more of a light on their plight.

[Tom4784]

not once have i seen immigrants being classified as vermin. People get branded racists when they want the law applied to immigrants and now words are falsely being put in their mouths regarding vermin. That's what's disgusting

Oh please, you mustn't talk to many people then if you don't think people think of immigrants as lesser humans. It's an all too common attitude.

[Crimson Dynamo]

we gave Sudan £52 million quid the other year to help with people leaving their home

maybe we should focus more on how that was spent

we do more than our bit

[arista]

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[Tom4784]

An unnecessary death born from a desperate act will always be tragic, regardless of the person's age.

[Kizzy]

not once have i seen immigrants being classified as vermin. People get branded racists when they want the law applied to immigrants and now words are falsely being put in their mouths regarding vermin. That's what's disgusting

Just because you are ignorant to the fact that they have either directly or indirectly been referred to as 'swarms' 'infestations' or cockroaches does not mean it isn't true.
They have and by some very powerful and influential people, your indignation is misplaced.

[Ammi]

...’vermin’ wasn’t used for point scoring in any way..it is how immigrants/asylum seekers have been described...both by Trump in the US and by Katie Hopkins in the U.K, describing families who have fled their war torn home countries to seek refuge and to seek future life..words carry great weight and have great power to influence and to dehumanise, sadly...and some media often support this in their reporting...

[Captain.Remy]

It's Friday, it's a new day, it's a sunny and good day to welcome new people! :love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/11165230/survey-result-2.png

[Beso]

https://youtu.be/cMQ4N1wtKac

[Ammi]

It's Friday, it's a new day, it's a sunny and good day to welcome new people! :love:

...:love:...as the lyrics to a My Fair Lady song go...(..an Audrey movie, of course...)...I’ve grown accustomed to your face, wishing welcome each day and I can’t think of a better way to start a day..:flutter:...

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Pew Research Centre estimated that between 800,000 and 1.2 million unauthorised migrants were living in the UK in 2017 so one can imagine what it is now and the impact this has on housing, traffic, and our NHS

Worrying

[arista]

An unnecessary death born from a desperate act will always be tragic, regardless of the person's age.


Yes Capt. Remy's France
needs to stop these Illegals.

[Captain.Remy]

The Pew Research Centre estimated that between 800,000 and 1.2 million unauthorised migrants were living in the UK in 2017 so one can imagine what it is now and the impact this has on housing, traffic, and our NHS

Worrying

Really, the thing you worry about is HOUSING and TRAFFIC?
TRAFFIC? out of all the issues UK has currently? TRAFFIC.
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[Captain.Remy]

Yes Capt. Remy's France
needs to stop these Illegals.

arista stop downplaying your intelligence. I know you speak French and watch France24 all the time. You're more clever than only blaming France for this "issue".

[Beso]

The crossings will only ramp up until January when we leave the EU and change our laws.

[Cherie]

Really, the thing you worry about is HOUSING and TRAFFIC?
TRAFFIC? out of all the issues UK has currently? TRAFFIC.
T
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?

You don’t think air pollution is an issue ..:umm2:

[Captain.Remy]

The crossings will only ramp up until January when we leave the uk and change our laws.

Are you going to build a wall around the island though ? :joker:

[Captain.Remy]

You don’t think air pollution is an issue ..:umm2:

Yeah I'm sure the first priority of these "illegals" is to buy a car and drive around the UK before actually getting a visa, a house and a job. But okay.

These are human beings looking for safety we're talking about here, and really having "traffic" these people would cause as an immediate issue is...heartless to say the least.

[Cherie]

Yeah I'm sure the first priority of these "illegals" is to buy a car and drive around the UK before actually getting a visa, a house and a job. But okay.

These are human beings looking for safety we're talking about here, and really having "traffic" these people would cause as an immediate issue is...heartless to say the least.

You know nada about my heart

Most illegals come in the back of a lorry and disappear

[Crimson Dynamo]

Air pollution is the biggest environmental threat to health in the UK, with between 28,000 and 36,000 deaths a year attributed to long-term exposure. There is strong evidence that air pollution causes the development of coronary heart disease, stroke, respiratory disease and lung cancer, and exacerbates asthma.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/public-health-england-publishes-air-pollution-evidence-review#:~:text=Air%20pollution%20is%20the%20bigges t,lung%20cancer%2C%20and%20exacerbates%20asthma.

[Beso]

Yeah I'm sure the first priority of these "illegals" is to buy a car and drive around the UK before actually getting a visa, a house and a job. But okay.

These are human beings looking for safety we're talking about here, and really having "traffic" these people would cause as an immediate issue is...heartless to say the least.

These human beings found safety in france yet decided to risk thier lives again by jumping in a tiny dinghy...

[Cherie]

The poor lad that risked his life was living rough in Calais for two months and had applied for Asylum in France ....

[arista]

The poor lad that risked his life was living rough in Calais for two months and had applied for Asylum in France ....


He was 28
they have now said.

He sadly could not swim.

[Oliver_W]

He was 28
they have now said.

He sadly could not swim.

Quite. However old he is, his blood is on the hands of the French authorities who refuse to do anything about the crossings, and the traffickers taking money from the migrants.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1297095842176864256/l1_HbOk4?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Beso]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1297095842176864256/l1_HbOk4?format=jpg&name=900x900

Its cause we can change the laws in January when we leave the uk...its now or never hopefully.

[Kizzy]

What law do you want changing?

[Beso]

What law do you want changing?

One that stops the French navy dictating to us would be nice.

[arista]

15 people have been removed from the UK
by the Home Office in the past two weeks.

1298874319720853504

[arista]

Reported On BBC
they are now using an Army drone
to monitor illegal crossings.

[The Slim Reaper]

Highest excess death rate in Europe, Boris on the missing list again, more unnecessary excess death when no deal hits, no £350m/wk for the NHS. 100k+ killed with austerity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Reported On BBC
they are now using an Army drone
to monitor illegal crossings.

Good idea, find the illegal boats and intercept and turn around

[Ammi]

Reported On BBC
they are now using an Army drone
to monitor illegal crossings.

...that drone programme being used, cost more than £1 billion, Arista...and already there are several that have crashed/are damaged/destroyed etc...that’s a huge waste in terms of taxpayer’s money, I can’t see taxpayers being okay with that...I think it would probably be best to give a little accommodation and food etc, while all documents are being checked and either cleared or refused entry for these poor asylum seekers...

[arista]

...that drone programme being used, cost more than £1 billion, Arista...and already there are several that have crashed/are damaged/destroyed etc...that’s a huge waste in terms of taxpayer’s money, I can’t see taxpayers being okay with that...I think it would probably be best to give a little accommodation and food etc, while all documents are being checked and either cleared or refused entry for these poor asylum seekers...



It was used in Afghanistan
It's a bigger Army Edition
with many cameras

[Liam-]

...that drone programme being used, cost more than £1 billion, Arista...and already there are several that have crashed/are damaged/destroyed etc...that’s a huge waste in terms of taxpayer’s money, I can’t see taxpayers being okay with that...I think it would probably be best to give a little accommodation and food etc, while all documents are being checked and either cleared or refused entry for these poor asylum seekers...

Why spend a billion on the homeless epidemic in the country when we can use it to spy on those pesky foreigners eh?

[Ammi]

It was used in Afghanistan
It's a bigger Army Edition
with many cameras

...yeah they’re heavy duty, built for war zones and several have been damaged or destroyed while being used in the English Channel atm...so they’re very dispensable and disposable in their cost and in the issues they’ve had...it’s just dumb as to use them and waste them as opposed to a little bed and board being provided while documentation is being checked etc...it’s just not most wise, Arista...it’s most very not wise...

[Ammi]

Why spend a billion on the homeless epidemic in the country when we can use it to spy on those pesky foreigners eh?

...why spend a little on accommodation etc, when we can spend billions on drone wastage...?....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id say most voters would be happy with this. no one wants illegals who could be full of covid escaping into the country

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/02/11/32684092-8689307-image-a-107_1599041538903.jpg

Loads Illegal migrants arrived this morning
near Dover.
Sea is more steady today.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8689307/Exhausted-migrants-wade-shore-collapse-Dover-beach.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

All-in the latest sportswear, as you would imagine fleeing for their lives from war torn France...

[arista]

Today 359 Illegal Migrants
arrived at Dover

[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsecjyMnzY0&feature=youtu.be

Dover

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/1457A/production/_114222338_mirror.jpg

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/816C/production/_114223133_times.jpg

[Ammi]

...Gary...:lovedup:...


...they’re coming home, they’re coming home, they’re coming...people coming home...

[Cherie]

Fair dues Gary!

[The Slim Reaper]

It's 2020, and videos like this have to be made to tell us not to think like nazi's.

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[thesheriff443]

Guy just told me they are nicking boat engines on the river Thames to sell in France to smugglers.

[The Slim Reaper]

Guy just told me they are nicking boat engines on the river Thames to sell in France to smugglers.

Who's they?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's 2020, and videos like this have to be made to tell us not to think like nazi's.

1301431034995789824

literally noone cares what that twit says

he is known to be a hypocritical extreme leftist

the GBP know the score regarding illegal economic migrants and vote accordingly

Linikers extreme left views have not won a vote in a decade and its not looking good for the next 10 either

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wake up Boris, Tory voters want to see our borders controlled properly

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/Portal%20Curated/nigel-farage1-small.png?imwidth=100

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2020/09/02/TELEMMGLPICT000236883619_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberW d9EgFPZtcLiMQfy2dmClwgbjjulYfPTELibA.jpeg?imwidth= 660

As Parliament resumes this week, there is a growing restlessness among Conservative backbenchers about the performance of their government - especially the often absent Prime Minister.

From the exam results fiasco to the increasingly bizarre application of quarantine rules, they sense that this government is losing credibility with the public over their competence when it comes to running the country. Their U-turns are embarrassing and increasingly regular.

But out in the constituencies, including many in the red wall that secured the big Tory majority last December, there is another conversation that is growing. It is a topic that proved to be a disaster for the Cameron Premiership, led to the Brexit referendum result and is now beginning to come back to haunt the Conservative Party once again.

It is, of course, immigration. To many that leant their vote to Boris Johnson and the Conservatives at the last General Election, getting Brexit done meant that strong border controls would be put in place and that fewer people would be settling in the country.


But Boris Johnson himself never really saw it this way, always emphasising that taking back control of our borders mattered far more than exercising that control. Despite that, his manifesto in 2019 pledged to fix our immigration system and implement an Australian-style points system.

The promise was clear; overall numbers would come down and voters fully understood this. There was little comment last week when the Office for National Statistics produced its figures showing that net migration in the year up to March reached 313,000 – we are back at peak immigration.

In fact, net migration rose by a staggering 92,000 compared to the previous year.

When one considers that the United Kingdom is already home to a quarter of Europe’s illegal immigrants, around 1.2 million, the numbers are simply mind-boggling.

But these figures will not be ignored for long, nor the impact they will have when the furlough scheme ends and unemployment rises sharply.


The issue that is changing that conversation amongst Conservatives in the country, even if most of our media choose to ignore it, is the rapidly rising number of illegal immigrants crossing the channel by inflatable dinghies on every calm day. The public are increasingly furious that we are unable to prevent what many see as an invasion.

Over 5,000 people so far this year have come, including 1,500 in August, and thus far in September the numbers are rising even more sharply. Polling shows that an astonishing 97% of Conservative voters are concerned or very concerned about this traffic.

Tough words from the Home Secretary and the sight of Royal Air Force aircraft and military drones in the Channel does little more than to prove our own impotence. Perhaps the knock-on effect of this for MPs in red wall constituencies is even more serious.

From Warrington to Barrow-in-Furness, and many parts of the North East, we see seats that were won from Labour last time that now have hotels that have been filled up with new arrivals.

I have visited many of these areas and was able to gauge the level of local disquiet. Far from taking back control, it appears to these voters that we have now completely lost control.


In fact, this growing discontent is already damaging Boris Johnson. Polling conducted by JL Partners should come as a sharp warning for the Prime Minister – when asked ‘Which party would do a better job on immigration?’ the gap between Labour and the Conservatives is closing rapidly. Just 27% of people thought the Conservatives would best handle the immigration issue, down 11% from January. Labour currently stands at 21%, a 7% improvement.

The fact that illegal immigration is now costing taxpayers £1bn-a-month is the least of the government’s troubles. The electorate are clearly losing trust in them on this vital issue. Many in Westminster were delighted that after the referendum in 2016 this issue disappeared from the public debate, having dominated it for many years.

The public thought that this issue had been dealt with. They are now waking up to the fact that even with Brexit, the numbers are rising to record levels both legally and illegally. There is one U-turn the Prime Minister needs to make, that is the reversal of his metropolitan liberal attitude to this issue.

During his time as Mayor of London he even went as far as to suggest we should offer large scale amnesties to illegal immigrants in London. He needs to wake up to where Conservative voters are on this issue because, overwhelmingly, they want proper border controls and reduced numbers of immigration.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/03/wake-boris-tory-voters-want-see-borders-controlled-properly/

[Ammi]

It's 2020, and videos like this have to be made to tell us not to think like nazi's.

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...so, so true...where would Britain be without refugees, it just wouldn’t be...and that’s the truth of it...but we’re all, all right (Union) Jack, eh...

[arista]

Illegal Migrants 416 reached Britain in small boats today


https://news.sky.com/story/channel-migrants-french-politicians-accused-of-giving-false-impression-of-life-in-uk-12062585

[Cherie]

Wake up Boris, Tory voters want to see our borders controlled properly

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/Portal%20Curated/nigel-farage1-small.png?imwidth=100

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2020/09/02/TELEMMGLPICT000236883619_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberW d9EgFPZtcLiMQfy2dmClwgbjjulYfPTELibA.jpeg?imwidth= 660

As Parliament resumes this week, there is a growing restlessness among Conservative backbenchers about the performance of their government - especially the often absent Prime Minister.

From the exam results fiasco to the increasingly bizarre application of quarantine rules, they sense that this government is losing credibility with the public over their competence when it comes to running the country. Their U-turns are embarrassing and increasingly regular.

But out in the constituencies, including many in the red wall that secured the big Tory majority last December, there is another conversation that is growing. It is a topic that proved to be a disaster for the Cameron Premiership, led to the Brexit referendum result and is now beginning to come back to haunt the Conservative Party once again.

It is, of course, immigration. To many that leant their vote to Boris Johnson and the Conservatives at the last General Election, getting Brexit done meant that strong border controls would be put in place and that fewer people would be settling in the country.


But Boris Johnson himself never really saw it this way, always emphasising that taking back control of our borders mattered far more than exercising that control. Despite that, his manifesto in 2019 pledged to fix our immigration system and implement an Australian-style points system.

The promise was clear; overall numbers would come down and voters fully understood this. There was little comment last week when the Office for National Statistics produced its figures showing that net migration in the year up to March reached 313,000 – we are back at peak immigration.

In fact, net migration rose by a staggering 92,000 compared to the previous year.

When one considers that the United Kingdom is already home to a quarter of Europe’s illegal immigrants, around 1.2 million, the numbers are simply mind-boggling.

But these figures will not be ignored for long, nor the impact they will have when the furlough scheme ends and unemployment rises sharply.


The issue that is changing that conversation amongst Conservatives in the country, even if most of our media choose to ignore it, is the rapidly rising number of illegal immigrants crossing the channel by inflatable dinghies on every calm day. The public are increasingly furious that we are unable to prevent what many see as an invasion.

Over 5,000 people so far this year have come, including 1,500 in August, and thus far in September the numbers are rising even more sharply. Polling shows that an astonishing 97% of Conservative voters are concerned or very concerned about this traffic.

Tough words from the Home Secretary and the sight of Royal Air Force aircraft and military drones in the Channel does little more than to prove our own impotence. Perhaps the knock-on effect of this for MPs in red wall constituencies is even more serious.

From Warrington to Barrow-in-Furness, and many parts of the North East, we see seats that were won from Labour last time that now have hotels that have been filled up with new arrivals.

I have visited many of these areas and was able to gauge the level of local disquiet. Far from taking back control, it appears to these voters that we have now completely lost control.


In fact, this growing discontent is already damaging Boris Johnson. Polling conducted by JL Partners should come as a sharp warning for the Prime Minister – when asked ‘Which party would do a better job on immigration?’ the gap between Labour and the Conservatives is closing rapidly. Just 27% of people thought the Conservatives would best handle the immigration issue, down 11% from January. Labour currently stands at 21%, a 7% improvement.

The fact that illegal immigration is now costing taxpayers £1bn-a-month is the least of the government’s troubles. The electorate are clearly losing trust in them on this vital issue. Many in Westminster were delighted that after the referendum in 2016 this issue disappeared from the public debate, having dominated it for many years.

The public thought that this issue had been dealt with. They are now waking up to the fact that even with Brexit, the numbers are rising to record levels both legally and illegally. There is one U-turn the Prime Minister needs to make, that is the reversal of his metropolitan liberal attitude to this issue.

During his time as Mayor of London he even went as far as to suggest we should offer large scale amnesties to illegal immigrants in London. He needs to wake up to where Conservative voters are on this issue because, overwhelmingly, they want proper border controls and reduced numbers of immigration.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/03/wake-boris-tory-voters-want-see-borders-controlled-properly/

Lots of white faces there, are the French fleeing now as well

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's 2020, and videos like this have to be made to tell us not to think like nazi's.

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The BBC's new Director-General (left) has warned staff who want to be
opinionated columnists or woke online campaigners 'You should not be working
here'


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/03/17/article-8693995-32741160-126_636x442.jpg

His latest comments came in his first official speech in Cardiff on Thursday
lunchtime after taking over from Lord Tony Hall (top inset). It followed
Newsnight host Emily Maitlis (bottom right) and Gary Lineker (top
right) sparking rows over remarks or social media posts which have been
said to have shown partiality

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

time for a sacking..

:fc:

[The Slim Reaper]

The BBC's new Director-General (left) has warned staff who want to be
opinionated columnists or woke online campaigners 'You should not be working
here'


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/03/17/article-8693995-32741160-126_636x442.jpg

His latest comments came in his first official speech in Cardiff on Thursday
lunchtime after taking over from Lord Tony Hall (top inset). It followed
Newsnight host Emily Maitlis (bottom right) and Gary Lineker (top
right) sparking rows over remarks or social media posts which have been
said to have shown partiality

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

time for a sacking..

:fc:

What does this have to do with subject? Unless you offer opinions and not stuff you think will wind people up, then i think you'll mostly be posting to yourself moving forward.

[bots]

What does this have to do with subject? Unless you offer opinions and not stuff you think will wind people up, then i think you'll mostly be posting to yourself moving forward.

it's relevant because someone quoted gary linker who works for the bbc and is not impartial

[The Slim Reaper]

it's relevant because someone quoted gary linker who works for the bbc and is not impartial

Gary lineker spoke about refugees and asylum seekers, that BBC guy is not talking about refugees or asylum seekers or anything related to the topic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

it's relevant because someone quoted gary linker who works for the bbc and is not impartial

indeed BOTS and linekar says

"As we know refugees have always helped to keep our communities safe and make our society stronger. "


Its a false statement and who is WE and does he actually mean LEGAL migrants who settle in the UK?

Once again he is conflating legal migration with illegal economic migration and frankly i cant believe in 2020 he is trying to get away with that and i hope the new DG at the BBC deals with him.

[The Slim Reaper]

indeed BOTS and linekar says

"As we know refugees have always helped to keep our communities safe and make our society stronger. "


Its a false statement and who is WE and does he actually mean LEGAL migrants who settle in the UK?

Once again he is conflating legal migration with illegal economic migration and frankly i cant believe in 2020 he is trying to get away with that and i hope the new DG at the BBC deals with him.

When you keep repeating the same inaccuracies over and over again, there is only one explanation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is abuse of the asylum system a figment of the imagination (as some claim)?

No. The Home Office’s assertion has been partially corroborated by similar findings by the Independent Chief Inspector of Borders who wrote in a 2017 report(see p.7): ‘There is… considerable evidence of individuals who have been issued with removal directions making ‘last minute’ asylum claims… in order to frustrate planned removals‘.

Separately, David Wood, a former Director General of Immigration Enforcement wrote the following in a Civitas reportpublished just last year:

“For illegal immigrants who are encountered the asylum process provides a default route to delay, and often avoid, deportation. Individuals seeking to abuse the UK immigration system who are encountered by immigration officials would routinely raise different forms of legal challenge, including asylum claims, as the evidence is clear that the longer the individual manages to remain in the UK, the more likely they are to avoid deportation.”

Judges have also noted major problems. For example, Lady Justice Sharp and Mr Justice Green said in a ruling in April 2018 that misconduct among immigration lawyers who start court hearings simply to thwart attempts to remove failed asylum seekers was of “deep concern” (see Policy Exchange, July 2018).

It is clear that abuse has been and is occurring. Is it increasing? The NAO report acknowledges evidence of increasing numbers of claims against removal at late stages in the process.

Questions remain about the reasons for the increase, but the fact that the Home Office sees it as the result of an ‘increase in abuse’ is concerning in itself.

The open borders lobby seems to be in denial about the abuse and the range of shortcomings in the asylum process.

https://news.migrationwatchuk.org/2020/08/18/open-borders-industry-in-denial-about-rampant-abuse-of-asylum-system

[The Slim Reaper]

Migration watch has a less than stellar record and reputation, often criticised and fact checked for using misleading information.

Is this the tweet of an academic and independent organisation?


1301467472550191106

[Crimson Dynamo]

FtqaiqXYwY8

[The Slim Reaper]

Vacuous and offering nothing LT. Sad.

Same old crap; when all else fails post farage and hope for the best.

[Kizzy]

One that stops the French navy dictating to us would be nice.

And where are you getting the info from that suggests they do?

[Beso]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/1457A/production/_114222338_mirror.jpg

Ffs.

Does he pick one?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lol

[arista]

[Arrests as anti-immigration protesters clash
with police and block A20 into Dover
Rival groups assemble in the coastal town in Kent
to demonstrate over the arrival of thousands
of migrants in small boats.]

https://news.sky.com/story/anti-immigration-protesters-block-a20-into-dover-12064284

[The Slim Reaper]

Remember when folks on here used to say "ave one livin' at your ouse then."

Well, Gary is and he's still being mocked for it. You know, I'm not entirely sure people were genuine.

[Crimson Dynamo]

lets hope he makes at the VS capital from it his massive ego expects

[The Slim Reaper]

Do you have an opinion on it you'd like to share, LT?

[Ammi]

White Cliffs lit up with ‘refugees welcome’ ahead of protests over crossings...

The words “Rise above fear. Refugees welcome” have been beamed onto the White Cliffs of Dover ahead of planned protests on Saturday.

The iconic Kent landmark was lit up with a series of massive projections in support of migrant welfare.

The messages included “These cliffs mean hope” and tributes to Syrian boy Alan Kurdi on the fifth anniversary of his tragic death.

The spectacle lit up the cliffside on Friday night and was organised by humanitarian charity Freedom From Torture.

It comes amid fears of violence in Dover as rival groups are expected to assemble to demonstrate over migrant crossings on Saturday.

Sonya Sceats, Chief Executive of Freedom from Torture, said: “The government thinks that by stoking fear about the Channel crossings it can distract us from its political blunders and get away with plans to dismantle our civil liberties.

“But the hatred it has fomented for political ends is getting out of control.”

A heavy police presence in the town is anticipated given the levels of disorder in the past.

Both pro and anti-immigration activists have announced their intention to gather in the Kent port, despite a plea from local MP Natalie Elphicke to “stay away”.



....full article...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/white-cliffs-lit-refugees-welcome-230104374.html

...’Rise above Fear - Refugees welcome’


....:lovedup:...

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/05/17/32815106-8700851-The_anti_refugee_demonstration_blocked_the_A20_dua l_carriageway_-a-7_1599324033787.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/05/14/32811786-8700851-image-a-219_1599313725989.jpg

[arista]

Yesterday 223
Illegal Migrants reached Dover.

France managed to stop 106 Migrants were stopped.

Ref: BBC

[The Slim Reaper]

Yesterday 223
Illegal Migrants reached Dover.

France managed to stop 106 Migrants were stopped.

Ref: BBC

It's not the end of the world :smug:

[Beso]

It's not the end of the world :smug:

It could be for someone if dangerous people are making the crossing :smug:

[The Slim Reaper]

It could be for someone if dangerous people are making the crossing :smug:

Pity people didn't care that austerity killed over 100k of us, if we're that desperate to ensure risk is protected over humanity.

[Beso]

Pity people didn't care that austerity killed over 100k of us, if we're that desperate to ensure risk is protected over humanity.

were elderly flu victims included in that total?

If not then I'm sure there has been many protests about the matter proving that people do care.

[The Slim Reaper]

were elderly flu victims included in that total?

What point are you trying to make, exactly?

[arista]

It's not the end of the world :smug:

No one said it was

[Beso]

What point are you trying to make, exactly?

I'm assuming that your point is that nobody cared about the people who died because of austerity?

I want to get a few facts correct first before pointing out the ridiculousness of it

[Beso]

Pity people didn't care that austerity killed over 100k of us, if we're that desperate to ensure risk is protected over humanity.

Isnt that a finger that should be pointed at the french for not being able to stop these dangerous crossings?

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm assuming that your point is that nobody cared about the people who died because of austerity?

I want to get a few facts correct first before pointing out the ridiculousness of it

Good luck, when the party responsible for a decade of austerity, got another 5 years to do it some more.

[The Slim Reaper]

Isnt that a finger that should be pointed at the french for not being able to stop these dangerous crossings?

No, because we're both supposed to be liberal democracies, not countries like North Korea.

[Beso]

Good luck, when the party responsible for a decade of austerity, got another 5 years to do it some more.

They are doing ok considering there was no money left in the pot when labour left.

[The Slim Reaper]

They are doing ok considering there was no money left in the pot when labour left.

Not true, my brother. I've explained this to you before, and as a country our finances are miles worse today.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They are doing ok considering there was no money left in the pot when labour left.

:clap1:

Its why no one votes for socialism anymore and havent done for an actual decade

or probably never will

its a dead idea

[Beso]

No, because we're both supposed to be liberal democracies, not countries like North Korea.

We are though(lib) which is why all sides must be seriously listened to.

It shouldn't be one side against the other. True liberalism is accepting both sides and bringing it all together as one...A balance must be met, and I think the scales are tipping too far one way now.


And wouldn't North Korea force people onto boats. I wonder!!!!


Vive le france

[Beso]

:clap1:

Its why no one votes for socialism anymore and havent done for an actual decade

or probably never will

its a dead idea



Sir Piers, can only get betta..can only get betta!!..

[The Slim Reaper]

We are though(lib) which is why all sides must be seriously listened to.

It shouldn't be one side against the other. True liberalism is accepting both sides and bringing it all together as one...A balance must be met, and I think the scales are tipping too far one way now.


And wouldn't North Korea force people onto boats. I wonder!!!!


Vive le france

The government is hard right, supported by a hard right press, and the left (although blair was never a leftist) haven't held power for over a decade. If it was really skewed too far one way in reality rather than propaganda, who put it too far? The left is powerless in this country so please explain.

[The Slim Reaper]

:clap1:

Its why no one votes for socialism anymore and havent done for an actual decade

or probably never will

its a dead idea

People thought fascism was dead after wwII and yet it has many supporters today, so no ideas are dead, just dormant.

[Beso]

The government is hard right, supported by a hard right press, and the left (although blair was never a leftist) haven't held power for over a decade. If it was really skewed too far one way in reality rather than propaganda, who put it too far? The left is powerless in this country so please explain.

I think all the terrorism we have seen has caused it...what we need to do is find a reason for this terrorism..

Hmmm..may I suggest illegal wars to start with, then we can move on from there.

[The Slim Reaper]

I think all the terrorism we have seen has caused it...what we need to do is find a reason for this terrorism..

Hmmm..may I suggest illegal wars to start with, then we can move on from there.

That doesn't really make any sense, but appreciate you trying.

[Beso]

That doesn't really make any sense, but appreciate you trying.

Terrorism by muslims has caused people to feel the same as some people thought of the Irish for years....thankfully we have overcame that)

To remain on the IRA theme......

The brits caused the hatred, and the same happened when labour started an illegal war with Iraq...only it's not the Irish hating us this time due to our own disdain as a nation

[Cherie]

Don’t worry I still hate you all :thumbs:

[The Slim Reaper]

Terrorism by muslims has caused people to feel the same as some people thought of the Irish for years....thankfully we have overcame that)

To remain on the IRA theme......

The brits caused the hatred, and the same happened when labour started an illegal war with Iraq...only it's not the Irish hating us this time due to our own disdain as a nation

What? Muslim terrorism is the reason things got too lax, and is also the reason why people are now turning against refugees? There is nothing in that sentence that makes any sense.

I agree about the illegal wars, but you keep bringing that up as though you feel as though you've caught me out with it, because you get to say labour. I'm not really a labour supporter, they're just realistically the most progressive political party with even the remotest chance of being elected and able to affect change.

I think you miss the point a bit though, our history of redrawing and carving up maps, colonisation, and empire are the real issues that led to the problems in the middle east, as is our overthrowing of governments and our historical support for one despot over another.

[Beso]

6 to a boat from Monday onwards please.

[arista]

Another 300 Illegal Migrants
were arrested at Dover.
On Friday.

Ref:BBCnewsHD

[Beso]

Good, that's another 300 lawbreakers off our streets.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

Good, that's another 300 lawbreakers off our streets.

Hardly, they get sent to Hotels

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hardly, they get sent to Hotels

Nigel has people contact him if they know of hotels housing Illegal economic migrants so he can expose them

he is getting many many messages

[Beso]

So they are arrested and released. ..yikes..where is priti and her bold statements when we need her.

[arista]

On a recent Ch4HD Call The Cops (1st Sept)
the First part showed a Small Boat arrived in Cornwall
full of Vietnam young people, around 30
"Victims" this time.

They arrested the Cocky Driver
a Local Criminal.
Who claimed to not know what he was driving.


They stopped it on the way to Exeter.


The reason it's on this thread
is they (Evil British Old Criminals)
picked up this group from Criminals in France.

[arista]

Old Army Napier Barracks is being set up
is to be set up for around 400
Illegal Migrants (Also known as asylum seekers)
to go in.
The Local Conservative MP is very angry.

[Folkestone and Hythe District Council issued a
statement about the plans for Napier Barracks
in Shorncliffe which have reportedly
been set out by the Home Office.]
https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/former-army-barracks-set-become-4515615

Yesterday another 160 Illegal Migrants
arrived yesterday at Dover.

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/14910/production/_114404248_telegraph.jpg


Bloody French

[arista]

1306549699994890240

Valid Report


The French Boat gave them all Life jackets.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jesus

the people who cram these young men (85%) into a dingy suitable for a loch and not the NOrth Sea really do not care one jot about human life. disgusting

[The Slim Reaper]

Farage's constant trips, and hiring of boating equipment seem expensive. Anyone know how he's being funded?

[arista]

Farage's constant trips, and hiring of boating equipment seem expensive. Anyone know how he's being funded?


He has backers.

[arista]

Jesus

the people who cram these young men (85%) into a dingy suitable for a loch and not the NOrth Sea really do not care one jot about human life. disgusting



Yes they are the ones on the Telegraph Front page
all the time water is being bucketed out

[The Slim Reaper]

He has backers.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/2d5febdf01b8c9ee0dfcc0b8b57e9398/tenor.gif?itemid=14800867

So it's more corporate lead demonisation of refugees and asylum seekers.

[Ammi]

1306549699994890240

Valid Report


The French Boat gave them all Life jackets.

...’when I predicted etc, etc..people thought that I was way over the top...’...


....yeah his predictions tend to be, like the funding he predicted for the NHS...oh Nigel...

[The Slim Reaper]

1306580885936930817

[bots]

...’when I predicted etc, etc..people thought that I was way over the top...’...


....yeah his predictions tend to be, like the funding he predicted for the NHS...oh Nigel...


As it happens the NHS has had a huge bump in funding since we left the EU, so he isn't actually wrong on that one :laugh:

[arista]

1306580885936930817

This tweet is not working

[The Slim Reaper]

This tweet is not working

Yeah, you're right. I think James is too busy hacking pm's to get answers for our team in the quiz. As soon as we've won, he'll fix this no doubt.

[arista]

From a Report on Ch4HDnews
a UK judge has halted a flight of Illegal Migrants return to Spain.
As a previous flight arrived a few weeks ago,
there was no one to meet them.
No place for them to go to.
That group went back to Calais in France to return to the UK.


They get sent to Spain as that was their First nation they arrived in EU.

[arista]

1307228275236917255

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1307288974076059648

kent villagers being racists the utter stench :yuk:

[bots]

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1307288974076059648

kent villagers being racists the utter stench :yuk:

quit with the crap Nicky

[Nicky91]

quit with the crap Nicky

what crap, just stereotypical nonsense to think most migrants are terrorists

[Crimson Dynamo]

what crap, just stereotypical nonsense to think most migrants are terrorists

where do you get the "Most" from?

they are worried some could be

and they are right

plus all could be covid positive

[Nicky91]

where do you get the "Most" from?

they are worried some could be

and they are right

plus all could be covid positive

could is like ''if''

another very big word


as for them being right, racists never have the correct views

[bots]

what crap, just stereotypical nonsense to think most migrants are terrorists

i live in Kent Nicky and you are distinctly insulting me and the many others that live there ... so quit it

[The Slim Reaper]

quit with the crap Nicky

Where is the crap?

where do you get the "Most" from?

they are worried some could be

and they are right

plus all could be covid positive

How may are ill? Don't you keep downplaying the dangers of covid?


Can you just provide some data on the numbers of asylum seekers that have turned up here via dinghies since 9/11, and then provide the numbers of how many of those have been terrorists. That will give us an idea for the actual scale of any potential danger.

[Crimson Dynamo]

could is like ''if''

another very big word


as for them being right, racists never have the correct views

calling people you dont know racists is not good

worrying about a steady inflow of ILLEGAL economic migrants is not racist

the last boatload i read about were all from Afghanistan

[Nicky91]

calling people you dont know racists is not good

worrying about a steady inflow of ILLEGAL economic migrants is not racist

the last boatload i read about were all from Afghanistan

yes afghanistan terrible country, and i totally agree with them for wanting better lives

[Nicky91]

i live in Kent Nicky and you are distinctly insulting me and the many others that live there ... so quit it

you didn't insult migrants so


and i would never insult you Bots i swear

[Beso]

you didn't insult migrants so


and i would never insult you Bots i swear

You said that to me once.

[Nicky91]

good i give in, maybe they aren't full on racists, to suspect migrants of possible terrorism while you do not even know them is just silly

and as if white westerners can't be terrorists, oh wait i have evidence they can be

Timothy McVeigh, and that one unabomber dude in America


so excuse me that i defend migrants

[The Slim Reaper]

you didn't insult migrants so


and i would never insult you Bots i swear

Bot's doesn't represent every person that lives in Kent so he has no come back to your comment, Nicky. But please don't post articles from the sun


http://www.dontbuythesun.co.uk/site/

[Crimson Dynamo]

good i give in, maybe they aren't full on racists, to suspect migrants of possible terrorism while you do not even know them is just silly

and as if white westerners can't be terrorists, oh wait i have evidence they can be

Timothy McVeigh, and that one unabomber dude in America


so excuse me that i defend migrants


calling everyone a racist who has genuine worries about illegal economic migration is not defending them however

its just trying to shut down a conversation

[Nicky91]

calling everyone a racist who has genuine worries about illegal economic migration is not defending them however

its just trying to shut down a conversation

nope, its just me being against migrants being insulted

yes certain muslims are terrorists from those countries i admit, but these flee from those countries rather than causing terror over there, they run away from that kind of terror (for the sake of their children's lives, that they grow up in better countries)

[The Slim Reaper]

calling everyone a racist who has genuine worries about illegal economic migration is not defending them however

its just trying to shut down a conversation

Just provide a link to any post you've written, that is a couple of paragraphs of your own words actually engaging in this imaginary conversation.

[Beso]

Anope, its just me being against migrants being insulted

yes certain muslims are terrorists from those countries i admit, but these flee from those countries rather than causing terror over there, they run away from that kind of terror (for the sake of their children's lives, that they grow up in better countries)

Cause thier side are losing now!...what if that's the reason why they are fleeing?
..all those single men we see childless coming off the dingies.

Such brave brave men leaving thier children in a worn torn country alone and unsafe...for what nicky? Why are all these fathers abandoning thier children to come here?

[The Slim Reaper]

If you re-read the thread Parm, quite a few of us gave reasons as to why males are leaving families to come here. All within the first few pages.

[Nicky91]

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Cause thier side are losing now!...what if that's the reason why they are fleeing?
..all those single men we see childless coming off the dingies.

Such brave brave men leaving thier children in a worn torn country alone and unsafe...for what nicky? Why are all these fathers abandoning thier children to come here?

idk what you talk about

most migrants whom are here in my country, who built up their new lives in asylum shelters are mostly either moms or dads with children


''their side is losing'' :umm2: not everyone in those countries sides with terror groups though, and if so that the terrorists are losing, there still is loads of poverty, government corruption, destroyed or damaged schools, a unsafe place to live in, so this is why they seek up a chance for better lives

[Beso]

If you re-read the thread Parm, quite a few of us gave reasons as to why males are leaving families to come here. All within the first few pages.

And you still believe after watching the videos and looking at the images of this summer's crossings, that these are family men..?

Seriously.

[Beso]

idk what you talk about

most migrants whom are here in my country, who built up their new lives in asylum shelters are mostly either moms or dads with children


''their side is losing'' :umm2: not everyone in those countries sides with terror groups though, and if so that the terrorists are losing, there still is loads of poverty, government corruption, destroyed or damaged schools, a unsafe place to live in, so this is why they seek up a chance for better lives




According to the left protagonists britain has all these problems...so why here?

[arista]

The Home Office has Confirmed
Yesterday Tuesday
393 Illegal Migrants from France
reached Dover via 26 small boats.


Ref :Today Times

[Kizzy]

According to the left protagonists britain has all these problems...so why here?

Great word! In comparison to those countries we don't have those problems. However... for one of the richest democracies in the world, we do.

It's all about perspective.

[Beso]

Has lineker picked his lodger yet?

[arista]

Has lineker picked his lodger yet?


Not sure

[bots]

the lorry method will be a bit of a no no come the end of the year, they don't want to end up in a lorry park. If we have a queue it will be the same at Calais

[The Slim Reaper]

Wales teaching us to be human.

1309800342687752192

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/F190/production/_114704816_01oct1front01-3.jpg

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/13FB0/production/_114704818_times.jpg

[Ammi]

Wales teaching us to be human.

1309800342687752192

...:love:...Liam did that...

[arista]

More than 9,000 asylum seekers are now living
in 91 hotels across the country
amid record number of Channel crossings

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/01/16/33864126-8794747-image-a-32_1601565802836.jpg
[Royal House in Hull city centre is housing migrants]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/01/16/33864120-8794747-image-a-33_1601565833302.jpg
[The Novotel Hotel near Newcastle Airport is housing migrants.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8794747/UK-asylum-seekers-9-000-living-91-hotels-country.html

[Beso]

9000 in a summer...

Makes sense to keep the hotels open...but I know people have had to cancel weekends away because of this...pre booked rooms in january and February are already gone to someone else before the excuse you get has been told to you.

[Cherie]

More than 9,000 asylum seekers are now living
in 91 hotels across the country
amid record number of Channel crossings

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/01/16/33864126-8794747-image-a-32_1601565802836.jpg
[Royal House in Hull city centre is housing migrants]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/01/16/33864120-8794747-image-a-33_1601565833302.jpg
[The Novotel Hotel near Newcastle Airport is housing migrants.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8794747/UK-asylum-seekers-9-000-living-91-hotels-country.html


Is the guy smoking trolling with the ‘where is the beach’ t shirt :joker:

[Beso]

More than 9,000 asylum seekers are now living
in 91 hotels across the country
amid record number of Channel crossings

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/01/16/33864126-8794747-image-a-32_1601565802836.jpg
[Royal House in Hull city centre is housing migrants]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/01/16/33864120-8794747-image-a-33_1601565833302.jpg
[The Novotel Hotel near Newcastle Airport is housing migrants.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8794747/UK-asylum-seekers-9-000-living-91-hotels-country.html




I've seen these areas..hull and Newcastle on the news before lately..something about lockdown...firstly I hope all the homeless are safe, but I can only question myself in my own head whether or not the 2 stories are connected.:shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

1312027088510226432

[arista]

Yes Slim those days have long gone
we are now in an Overpopulated UK.

[Kizzy]

Yes Slim those days have long gone
we are now in an Overpopulated UK.

Not true at all...this is one of the fake perpetuated myths, we are in no way overpopulated.

[arista]

Not true at all...this is one of the fake perpetuated myths, we are in no way overpopulated.


In some zones we are.

[Kizzy]

In some zones we are.

There are conurbations that have a high concentration of people, but as a whole the country is not overpopulated. There are just some who own massive swathes of it so urban areas are concentrated giving the illusion of overpopulation.

[The Slim Reaper]

Not true at all...this is one of the fake perpetuated myths, we are in no way overpopulated.

If he'd have actually watched the vid, he would have seen similar arguments being made to his, but in black and white.

[bots]

the idea of plonking all the asylum seekers on a ferry while they get processed is certainly a novel one

[arista]

1312815068535496704

[arista]

3 Packed small boats
56 Illegal migrants arrested at Dover


reported on BBC news

[arista]

Migrant crisis: Dinghies to UK could be 'disabled using nets'

[Asked whether the method was similar to Royal Navy trials,
in which nets were used to snag up propellers
and bring boats to a standstill, Mr O'Mahoney said:
"It's that type of thing, yes. So safely disabling the
engine and then taking the migrants on board our vessel."]

[He said this was just one of a number of
methods his team has considered deploying over
the next few months, but he did not go into further details.
Mr O'Mahoney, appointed by Home Secretary
Priti Patel in August, said he was working
with people "everywhere across government to
come up with new tactics" to tackle illegal migration across the Channel.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54499958

[arista]

1317805233205018624

[arista]

Around 100 Illegal Migrants
got across entering Dover, yesterday.

BBC report

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/21/22/34681916-8865621-image-a-2_1603316489870.jpg


[Homeless migrants will be deported
and criminals from EU countries will be banned under tough
new post-Brexit laws to be unveiled by Priti Patel]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8865621/Criminals-EU-countries-BANNED-entering-UK-tough-new-laws.html


Some Good News.

[Cherie]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-three-migrants-including-young-22914252

Four people including two children have drowned after a migrant boat capsized off the coast of France earlier today.

Search operations are ongoing after a migrant boat sank off the coast of France on Tuesday.

Eighteen people have been taken to hospital, some for treatment for hypothermia.

A young child thought to be five is among the reported dead.

The child and a woman were in cardio-respiratory arrest when they were taken into care, but could not be resuscitated at the dock.

A fourth victim, an eight-year-old child, was taken into care in a "desperate" condition and has since died.

[Nicky91]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/21/22/34681916-8865621-image-a-2_1603316489870.jpg


[Homeless migrants will be deported
and criminals from EU countries will be banned under tough
new post-Brexit laws to be unveiled by Priti Patel]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8865621/Criminals-EU-countries-BANNED-entering-UK-tough-new-laws.html


Some Good News.

very good news, lesser terrorism in Britain then :clap1: :clap1:

[Ammi]

...so very, very sad that people risk and in some cases, lose their lives in fleeing from their homelands because their lives are so despaired...:sad:..it’s unimaginable to us...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is the guy smoking trolling with the ‘where is the beach’ t shirt :joker:

smoking and with the latest smartphones...?

[arista]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-three-migrants-including-young-22914252

Four people including two children have drowned after a migrant boat capsized off the coast of France earlier today.

Search operations are ongoing after a migrant boat sank off the coast of France on Tuesday.

Eighteen people have been taken to hospital, some for treatment for hypothermia.

A young child thought to be five is among the reported dead.

The child and a woman were in cardio-respiratory arrest when they were taken into care, but could not be resuscitated at the dock.

A fourth victim, an eight-year-old child, was taken into care in a "desperate" condition and has since died.

Yes they never reached the UK
so I did not post it.


Its Winter now
the danger level is very high.
Tragic

[arista]

2 kids and a baby
and the 2 Iranian Parents.
All died because of Greedy Criminal Smuggling Gangs

Small Fishing boat
went over very near France.

Crazy to go into the Sea during a Storm.


The Latest from Ch5HDnews Live

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/28/15/34958052-0-image-m-4_1603900323800.jpg


Evil French Based Smuggling Gang
put them in a small boat during a Storm in the
French side sea.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/28/15/34958502-8889121-image-a-56_1603900425593.jpg