UK / IRL immigration thread [was Illegal Migrants French boats & Lorrys entering...]

[arista]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/migrants-fishing-boat-dover-stolen-border-force-boulogne-france-home-office-a8631926.html


[UK Border officials have detained
17 apparent migrants – 14 men and three children
– claiming to be Iranian after a fishing boat,
reportedly stolen in France,
arrived in Dover overnight.]

[Dover MP Charlie Elphicke
claimed such arrivals were
“a growing problem” and
added the Home Office “must not turn a blind eye”.]




Sign Of The Times

[smudgie]

Send them back to France, let the French prosecute them for theft.
Poor fisherman having his boat thieved.

[Oliver_W]

Turn them back around then? It doesn't matter if they're Iranian or not, France is a safe country, they have no reason to illegally break into the UK from there.

[Livia]

14 men and 3 children.

They need to be returned to the first safe country they landed in.

[Crimson Dynamo]

tweet about austerity, brexit and compassion whist getting an uber to Pret and spending £16 on lunch

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/485/socialembed/https://twitter.com/premarmanche/status/1077557704955174912~/news/uk-england-kent-46679414


[Twenty-three migrants have been rescued from boats in three separate incidents in the English Channel.
Lifeboats and a coastguard helicopter were involved in the interception of a boat carrying 13 people two miles from Walmer at about 04:30 GMT.
A lifeboat later spotted a rowing boat occupied by two people about eight miles from Dover.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-46679414


More Illegal Migrants
Criminal gangs taking Cash every day
more and more.

[arista]

Updates today said some had No Life Jackets
so it amazing no deaths yet.

[arista]

Another 3 illegals in a very small dinghy
were taken to Dover today.


https://news.sky.com/story/three-more-migrants-intercepted-crossing-english-channel-in-small-boat-11591479

[Nicky91]

1077921152843030528

[arista]

[Nine Illegal Migrants - including three children - were
picked up by Border Force officers at Sandgate,
to the west of Folkestone on the Kent coast,
this morning.]

https://news.sky.com/story/patrols-beefed-up-as-more-migrants-brave-calm-channel-11592459

[The Slim Reaper]

Build a wall and make France pay for it.

[arista]

[A group of migrants are being treated for
hypothermia after being rescued from
the English Channel amid increasing
concerns about the number of people
attempting the perilous crossing.
Two separate groups were picked
up on Friday, totalling 12 people.]

https://news.sky.com/story/warning-over-channel-taxi-service-for-migrants-11593178

The MP for Kent says the Iranians
are paying £30,000, to Criminal Gangs
And the the small boats are dropped
into the water from bigger boats in
the the dead of night, a mile or two from the Kent coast.

He wants more Navy Boats catching the Criminal Gangs
before they drop off the small boats.
(Ref on BBCnewsHD 20 mins ago)

[Crimson Dynamo]

its a criminal racket and should be a police matter

[arista]

its a criminal racket and should be a police matter


France is at Fault
not stopping these Criminal Gangs

[Crimson Dynamo]

no doubt that arch **** Linekar will tweet his support for the migrants

[LaLaLand]

The sooner we're like Australia the better.

[arista]

[The home secretary has declared
the rising number of migrants
attempting to cross the English Channel
a "major incident".
Sajid Javid announced he was seeking
an urgent call with his French counterpart,
after holding talks with
Border Force officials
and the National Crime Agency.]

https://news.sky.com/story/english-channel-migrant-crossings-a-major-incident-sajid-javid-11593555

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/12/1096x616/skynews-kent-kingsdown-kent_4533381.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20181230110456

https://news.sky.com/story/fresh-group-of-suspected-migrants-spotted-on-kent-beach-11594820


[6 Illegal migrants being met by UK border
officials on a south coast beach this morning.
The group were spotted on the beach
at Kingsdown, Kent, by local residents
along with an inflatable boat.
Kingsdown lies around seven miles from the Port of Dover.]

[Cherie]

All young males...who presumably left a safe country

[Mitchell]

What I never understand is why they go to Dover rather than a more obscure port, if you want to sneak into a party, you go through the side gate rather than knocking on the front door surely?

[arista]

What I never understand is why they go to Dover rather than a more obscure port, if you want to sneak into a party, you go through the side gate rather than knocking on the front door surely?


Its the Sea Currents
and the distance, I think

[Beso]

They could be homosexuals fleeing the noose.

[arista]

They could be homosexuals fleeing the noose.


Sure a few could.
But is costing our taxes
as many vanish into the UK
doing not taxed illegal work.

[Beso]

Sure a few could.
But is costing our taxes
as many vanish into the UK
doing not taxed illegal work.

Serbia has seen a massive increase in people from Iran. .most are homosexuals fleeing the police after being reported by their families..it's people like this that our country should be helping...if they ain't homosexuals they will be Christians. .

[Cherie]

They could be homosexuals fleeing the noose.

from France?

[The Slim Reaper]

from France?

*Guillotine

[Beso]

from France?

From wherever..if that's why they are fleeing then we should be helping them.

[Oliver_W]

From wherever..if that's why they are fleeing then we should be helping them.

They don't need us to help them, as they were in France and had passed through other safe countries.

[bots]

The French and the Brits need to tighten up patrols for sure. However, these are illegal immigrants, it doesn't exclude them from compassion. That's the major problem I have with those complaining.

Take a look at Trump and how he blamed the death of 2 immigrant children on the democrats rather than showing an iota of compassion at this time of year.

[Beso]

They don't need us to help them, as they were in France and had passed through other safe countries.

Well it looks awfully like they do to me...unless you want them drowning at sea?

[armand.kay]

Well it looks awfully like they do to me...unless you want them drowning at sea?

Why even rescue them? A few drownings would discourage others from trying it.

yeah thats exactly what he wants

[Oliver_W]

Well it looks awfully like they do to me...unless you want them drowning at sea?

Depends what you mean by "help" - drop 'em back off in France, sure. We owe them nothing more than that.

[Cherie]

*Guillotine

perhaps..

[arista]

UK and France
have agreed to work together
to stop the Illegal's.

[Oliver_W]

I remain convinced that one day you're going to grow up and quit being such a nasty li'l ****er, Oli_W. Like I see potential but...

Why do they need to leave France? It's bit so bad there and so good here that it's worth the illegals risking their lives.

[The Slim Reaper]

Can’t help yourself can you TS. What was that about unpleasant posts? Pot and kettle yet again.

Maybe that is something you need to think about - that being concerned about security when allowing undocumented illegal migrants into the country in hostile times automatically makes someone a hateful bigot in your eyes.

Sounds like one of those tiresome liberal elites (as they see themselves) talking down to one of those from the uneducated masses (as they see the opposition) who dared to vote for Brexit. My heart bleeds for you TS. Keep on wallowing!

What's the definition of a liberal elite?

[user104658]

Can’t help yourself can you TS. What was that about unpleasant posts? Pot and kettle yet again.



Maybe that is something you need to think about - that being concerned about security when allowing undocumented illegal migrants into the country in hostile times automatically makes someone a hateful bigot in your eyes.



Sounds like one of those tiresome liberal elites (as they see themselves) talking down to one of those from the uneducated masses (as they see the opposition) who dared to vote for Brexit. My heart bleeds for you TS. Keep on wallowing!As ever Brillo, the issue isn't your political stance, it's the disgust and contempt you radiate whilst expressing it. If you don't see that by now then I'm sure you never will. However, this whole thread is giving me 2017-de ja vu and we're almost in 2019 so let's just not.

[Cherie]

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....

[Twosugars]

Because I insisted on a perma-ban as I had had enough of the double-standards on here. You tell us why you think I would have deserved a permaban in all your wisdom Twosugars.

I just wanted an opportunity to put the record straight as know-it-all TS got it wrong insisting I had been Perma-banned for wrong-doing in a previous thread. I am happy now I have clarified the situation and will not return.

I believe Josy to be an honest person and am sure she can confirm that if necessary, in the likely scenario that TS implies he knows everything that goes on behind the scenes. He doesn’t!
:wavey: Brillo
You and I we argued but also had some civilized exchanges so I can't tell you from my own experience, just repeating what I read at the time (wasn't there a thread about you leaving?). It was confirmed you asked for a perma, but also Vicky said you were close to perma due to your infractions etc.
I see you're keeping well ;) and a happy new year!

[Twosugars]

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....
I think it's to see if they are successful. If yes, I'd imagine they'd want to bring their dependants here to join them

[user104658]

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....The reason there are few children is because of the high risk of death, the reason there are no elderly is because A) They would probably die and B) the elderly are far less likely to be on a quest for a new/better life in the first place. The reason for it being mostly males is probably cultural; usually the idea (realistic though it may not be) is that the men will go and set up a life / make money with an aim of either getting the rest of the family over to join later, or to send money back to the family.

Though the most basic reason is that it's dangerous and young males are inclined to recklessness / feel like they are stronger and tougher than they are realistically and thus have a higher belief that heading across the sea in a small boat in winter is a viable plan.

[The Slim Reaper]

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....

There are a few reasons; men are better suited to a long and dangerous trip across to Europe (especially by boats), so there are naturally more women and children in refugee camps.

More women and children actually die making the journey, and the logistics of getting a whole family somewhere together is a lot more difficult than men making the trip on their own and getting past border controls etc.

It's a bit of a right wing trope to only bring up the men making the journey as though they're just desperate to get UK benefits and more rapeable women. I know you were only asking the question, so that wasn't aimed at you.

[Micky]

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....

A question they cannot/will not answer Cherie because the answer is painfully obvious, so they just try to ignore it and imply the problem lies with those that dare to question!

[The Slim Reaper]

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....

I think it's to see if they are successful. If yes, I'd imagine they'd want to bring their dependants here to join them

The reason there are few children is because of the high risk of death, the reason there are no elderly is because A) They would probably die and B) the elderly are far less likely to be on a quest for a new/better life in the first place. The reason for it being mostly males is probably cultural; usually the idea (realistic though it may not be) is that the men will go and set up a life / make money with an aim of either getting the rest of the family over to join later, or to send money back to the family.

Though the most basic reason is that it's dangerous and young males are inclined to recklessness / feel like they are stronger and tougher than they are realistically and thus have a higher belief that heading across the sea in a small boat in winter is a viable plan.

There are a few reasons; men are better suited to a long and dangerous trip across to Europe (especially by boats), so there are naturally more women and children in refugee camps.

More women and children actually die making the journey, and the logistics of getting a whole family somewhere together is a lot more difficult than men making the trip on their own and getting past border controls etc.

It's a bit of a right wing trope to only bring up the men making the journey as though they're just desperate to get UK benefits and more rapeable women. I know you were only asking the question, so that wasn't aimed at you.

A question they cannot/will not answer Cherie because the answer is painfully obvious, so they just try to ignore it and imply the problem lies with those that dare to question!

Why won't they answer the blummin' questions?!

[The Slim Reaper]

Ahh Micky you're so blind, pushing all those right-wing lies. Hey Micky (clap, clap, clap) Hey micky (Clap, clap clap)

[Cherie]

A question they cannot/will not answer Cherie because the answer is painfully obvious, so they just try to ignore it and imply the problem lies with those that dare to question!

tbf the question was answered and I reread the articles again,there were actually 5 kids in different vessels

[user104658]

Why won't they answer the blummin' questions?!The only acceptable answer is "For rape and terrorism" and apparently anything else is invisible ink.

[Micky]

:wavey: Brillo
You and I we argued but also had some civilized exchanges so I can't tell you from my own experience, just repeating what I read at the time (wasn't there a thread about you leaving?). It was confirmed you asked for a perma, but also Vicky said you were close to perma due to your infractions etc.
I see you're keeping well ;) and a happy new year!

That’s rather funny given that, as already mentioned, I had to insist. It is also why I, and others, repeatedly felt there were double-standards being practiced and an imbalance in the infraction system. Hey-ho you were on the ‘right side’ of that so are unlikely to have had the same experiences.

Anyway happy new year to you and to those that do understand where I was coming from. I have said my piece and will leave you to it. Have fun.

[Cherie]

I still don't agree with people 'fleeing' France though, or passing safe countries :nono:

[user104658]

I still don't agree with people 'fleeing' France though, or passing safe countries :nono:

How "safe" is it if you don't have access to adequate food or, in the middle of winter, shelter? And little to no prospect of that situation improving? Are people supposed to huddle in their tents and accept their fate because they're not being bombed or shot at? Would you accept it for you or your own family?

Obviously, no, we can't take in all of the world's poor and oppressed; it's not logistically possible, it would destroy our economy, and there have to be sensible policies in place. I think, in general, people understand that. But trying to pass the buck to the people who are living existences that you can't even imagine, as if they have some sort of moral responsibility to "stay where they are because it's safe", is a bit much. It's just disingenuous too because I think deep down everyone knows that in the same desperate situation the vast majority of people would do the exact same thing and try to "find something better".

Also, yes, often they HAVE been mislead to believe that the UK is a "land of milk and honey" and have unrealistic expectations of what life will be like for them here, but that's not their fault either! It's a myth that's spread deliberately by the people who are taking money (often, everything people have) to get them in. And of course as that idea spreads, more and more people decide to take matters into their own hands and make the crossing in small groups in boats that can't actually make the journey, and those people end up needing rescued. The idea that they "deserve everything they get" for daring to try to enter precious Britain is just abhorrent.

[Cherie]

How "safe" is it if you don't have access to adequate food or, in the middle of winter, shelter? And little to no prospect of that situation improving? Are people supposed to huddle in their tents and accept their fate because they're not being bombed or shot at? Would you accept it for you or your own family?

Obviously, no, we can't take in all of the world's poor and oppressed; it's not logistically possible, it would destroy our economy, and there have to be sensible policies in place. I think, in general, people understand that. But trying to pass the buck to the people who are living existences that you can't even imagine, as if they have some sort of moral responsibility to "stay where they are because it's safe", is a bit much. It's just disingenuous too because I think deep down everyone knows that in the same desperate situation the vast majority of people would do the exact same thing and try to "find something better".

Also, yes, often they HAVE been mislead to believe that the UK is a "land of milk and honey" and have unrealistic expectations of what life will be like for them here, but that's not their fault either! It's a myth that's spread deliberately by the people who are taking money (often, everything people have) to get them in. And of course as that idea spreads, more and more people decide to take matters into their own hands and make the crossing in small groups in boats that can't actually make the journey, and those people end up needing rescued. The idea that they "deserve everything they get" for daring to try to enter precious Britain is just abhorrent.


I never said they deserve everything they get, my point is these are not refugees but economic migrants so calling them refugees is incorrect as often they do leave a safe countryto get here, obviously if they want to swap a tent in France or some other EU country for the UK then there must be better options here?

Your argument about they wanting a better life is solid, however if you turn that around and say people currently in the UK want a better quality of life by it not being over populated you call them racists :idc: so migrants are allowed to aim for better but people born in the UK must put up and shut up?

[user104658]

I never said they deserve everything they get, my point is these are not refugees but economic migrants so calling them refugees is incorrect as often they do leave a safe countryto get here, obviously if they want to swap a tent in France or some other EU country for the UK then there must be better options here?

Your argument about they wanting a better life is solid, however if you turn that around and say people currently in the UK want a better quality of life by it not being over populated you call them racists :idc: so migrants are allowed to aim for better but people born in the UK must put up and shut up?

I've repeatedly said (in multiple posts in this thread alone, including the one you're replying to) that logistically it's impossible for a country to take in unlimited refugees and that sensible policies are required :shrug:. My problem is when people (not you, people like arr Micky) express that opinion by demonising / being hateful towards / wishing ill (or death) on those trying to get in. There's a difference between "Sorry, for the good of our own citizens, we have to have limits" and "BLAAARRR FECK OFF AND DROWN WHY U EVEN TRYING TO GET HERE SCUM!!". No?

[Cherie]

I've repeatedly said (in multiple posts in this thread alone, including the one you're replying to) that logistically it's impossible for a country to take in unlimited refugees and that sensible policies are required :shrug:. My problem is when people (not you, people like arr Micky) express that opinion by demonising / being hateful towards / wishing ill (or death) on those trying to get in. There's a difference between "Sorry, for the good of our own citizens, we have to have limits" and "BLAAARRR FECK OFF AND DROWN WHY U EVEN TRYING TO GET HERE SCUM!!". No?

Of course!

[arista]

[A child was among 12 Iranian migrants
detained after their dinghy landed
in Kent on New Year's Eve.]

https://news.sky.com/story/sajid-javid-to-hold-crisis-talks-over-perilous-channel-crossings-11595381

[Crimson Dynamo]

just round them up and get rid, we dont want illegal anyone. we provide the means for legal migration. end of.

[Beso]

Thank you tibb, this is my best xmas present this year.

[Twosugars]

I wonder tho why Iranians...?
Iran is not lawless or in a state of war. Economically it's not one of the struggling countries.
The only thing that comes to mind is lack of political freedom and hostility to homosexuality.
Hope we're told what these people claim.

[Beso]

I wonder tho why Iranians...?
Iran is not lawless or in a state of war. Economically it's not one of the struggling countries.
The only thing that comes to mind is lack of political freedom and hostility to homosexuality.
Hope we're told what these people claim.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-many-Iranians-run-away-from-Iran-as-refugees

[user104658]

I wonder tho why Iranians...?
Iran is not lawless or in a state of war. Economically it's not one of the struggling countries.
The only thing that comes to mind is lack of political freedom and hostility to homosexuality.
Hope we're told what these people claim.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-many-Iranians-run-away-from-Iran-as-refugees

Yes this is why; Iran was very modern / prgressive for several years and then did a huge "backwards step" into religious government. As a result, there are a lot of "Westernised" people stuck there living with a culture they don't recognise as theirs or agree with in any way.

[arista]

[Home Secretary Sajid Javid
questions whether cross-Channel migrants
are 'genuine' asylum seekers
On a visit to Dover, the home secretary
suggests those picked up by
the UK authorities could have
their asylum requests denied.]

https://news.sky.com/story/sajid-javid-questions-whether-cross-channel-migrants-are-genuine-asylum-seekers-11596891


He has a point.

[Cherie]

[Home Secretary Sajid Javid
questions whether cross-Channel migrants
are 'genuine' asylum seekers
On a visit to Dover, the home secretary
suggests those picked up by
the UK authorities could have
their asylum requests denied.]

https://news.sky.com/story/sajid-javid-questions-whether-cross-channel-migrants-are-genuine-asylum-seekers-11596891


He has a point.

Lets be honest here most are economic migrants

[arista]

Lets be honest here most are economic migrants


Yes as some know there
is illegal jobs they can
do.


Is costing the nation
is many ways.
Worse is housing shortage for everyone
then some Illegals get homes.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes as some know there
is illegal jobs they can
do.


Is costing the nation
is many ways.
Worse is housing shortage for everyone
then some Illegals get homes.

Have I missed your thread on the amount that the extreme wealthy and corporations avoiding taxes is costing the nation, in many ways?

[Twosugars]

Have I missed your thread on the amount that the extreme wealthy and corporations avoiding taxes is costing the nation, in many ways?

:laugh: good point, SR

[arista]

Have I missed your thread on the amount that the extreme wealthy and corporations avoiding taxes is costing the nation, in many ways?


That has nothing to do with this

[Twosugars]

That has nothing to do with this
it has plenty to do with your argument how illegals make us poorer
when you're silent on a much bigger issue that makes us poorer, tax avoidance and evasion
if you just reported the facts of the matter then fine, but venturing into opinions betrays your right wing bias where the rich are never criticised only the poor and dispossessed.

[arista]

it has plenty to do with your argument how illegals make us poorer
when you're silent on a much bigger issue that makes us poorer, tax avoidance and evasion
if you just reported the facts of the matter then fine, but venturing into opinions betrays your right wing bias where the rich are never criticised only the poor and dispossessed.


Facts
Tax is paid under Current UK Tax Laws.

I do not Control who is in power
New Labour never did feck all to
update the tax laws, for example

[The Slim Reaper]

Facts
Tax is paid under Current UK Tax Laws.

I do not Control who is in power
New Labour never did feck all to
update the tax laws, for example

Pretty sure they at least upped the top tax bracket that Osbourne undid as soon as he got the power to do so.

A major part of the way you view these issues is in monetary terms, so why is it ok to say that these "illegals" are costing us money, but actual criminals never get a mention from you?

Why is it ok for people and corporations to ignore tax laws, and you only say "tax is paid under UK tax laws. I do not control who is in power" but when immigration is a law being ignored then you're all over it, hand wringing about the cost to the country, won't somebody think of the children...

[arista]

Pretty sure they at least upped the top tax bracket that Osbourne undid as soon as he got the power to do so.

A major part of the way you view these issues is in monetary terms, so why is it ok to say that these "illegals" are costing us money, but actual criminals never get a mention from you?

Why is it ok for people and corporations to ignore tax laws, and you only say "tax is paid under UK tax laws. I do not control who is in power" but when immigration is a law being ignored then you're all over it, hand wringing about the cost to the country, won't somebody think of the children...


The Criminal Gangs
are all over my posts.

Children get looked after.

I am not all over this, as you say
Its on Ever Fecking news and radio debate
Every Day.

[Twosugars]

bc right wing controls the news agenda
why we don't hear every day about tax avoidance? about who should really pay for austerity and economic crisis?
and who wants open borders? it's big business bc they profit from it through cheap labour
we'll see who post-brexit government will listen to, people who voted for brexit or big business; so don't expect the immigration numbers to go down an awful lot

[user104658]

bc right wing controls the news agenda
why we don't hear every day about tax avoidance? about who should really pay for austerity and economic crisis?
and who wants open borders? it's big business bc they profit from it through cheap labour
we'll see who post-brexit government will listen to, people who voted for brexit or big business; so don't expect the immigration numbers to go down an awful lotI find it deeply amusing that immigration numbers will stay the same (or go up) and the same people who voted for Brexit will be bawling about it being worse than ever, because an increased percentage of immigrants will be the "foreign looking" ones from outside the EU... Exactly the ones that Brexiteers are afraid of... And only white European migration (the sort they didn't mind in the first place) will decrease.

[arista]

bc right wing controls the news agenda
why we don't hear every day about tax avoidance? about who should really pay for austerity and economic crisis?
and who wants open borders? it's big business bc they profit from it through cheap labour
we'll see who post-brexit government will listen to, people who voted for brexit or big business; so don't expect the immigration numbers to go down an awful lot

Of Course
it's been that way for over 30 years or so.
This thread is about criminal gangs
sending illegals across the dangerous sea from France.

[Twosugars]

I find it deeply amusing that immigration numbers will stay the same (or go up) and the same people who voted for Brexit will be bawling about it being worse than ever, because an increased percentage of immigrants will be the "foreign looking" ones from outside the EU... Exactly the ones that Brexiteers are afraid of... And only white European migration (the sort they didn't mind in the first place) will decrease.

exactly

little do they know what the real agenda of those behind brexit is
less "inconvenient" regulation from the EU like labour or environment protections
not to mention financial services and tax laws :D

[arista]

I find it deeply amusing that immigration numbers will stay the same (or go up) and the same people who voted for Brexit will be bawling about it being worse than ever, because an increased percentage of immigrants will be the "foreign looking" ones from outside the EU... Exactly the ones that Brexiteers are afraid of... And only white European migration (the sort they didn't mind in the first place) will decrease.


TS not every Brexit voter
is on about immigration.
it is about being Sovereign, for many.

[user104658]

exactly



little do they know what the real agenda of those behind brexit is

less "inconvenient" regulation from the EU like labour or environment protections

not to mention financial services and tax laws :DMigrants from outside of the EU are also more likely to accept low pay and poor working conditions / fewer rights.

[The Slim Reaper]

TS not every Brexit voter
is on about immigration.
it is about being Sovereign, for many.

What does that mean? We're already sovereign.

[arista]

What does that mean? We're already sovereign.


Meaning not under any Control from the EU

[Twosugars]

nobody is fully sovereign these days,
any international treaty and law reduces sovereignty

so let's watch UK extracting itself from the EU and binding itself to some new treaties like free trade agreements etc

the fact that you can't exist fully sovereign is well illustrated by the apparent necessity of keeping many arrangements with the EU and others

[arista]

nobody is fully sovereign these days,
any international treaty and law reduces sovereignty

so let's watch UK extracting itself from the EU and binding itself to some new treaties like free trade agreements etc

the fact that you can't exist fully sovereign is well illustrated by the apparent necessity of keeping many arrangements with the EU and others

Sure
its a mess.

Back on topic
there are now 2 boat cutters in the waters.
Trying to send back the illegals.

[user104658]

The thread isn't off topic, it's debating immigration.

[arista]

The thread isn't off topic, it's debating immigration.

The Illegal ones , though

[Nicky91]

we in the EU aren't doing anything wrong, it is the UK who is never liked, never popular in the entire world, and this brexit makes UK more look like a bunch of fools, and i think USA won't help UK cause they have their own problems, but enough about that right now

back on topic, immigration well they need to go somewhere away from that chaos in their own countries tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

we in the EU aren't doing anything wrong, it is the UK who is never liked, never popular in the entire world, and this brexit makes UK more look like a bunch of fools, and i think USA won't help UK cause they have their own problems, but enough about that right now

back on topic, immigration well they need to go somewhere away from that chaos in their own countries tbh

can you explain what countries and what chaos?

[Nicky91]

can you explain what countries and what chaos?

syrian conflict for example

[Oliver_W]

syrian conflict for example

Then I guess it's lucky they were in France, no reason to risk their lives in the boats.

[Beso]

How come if a human is in the channel its ours, but if its a fish its the eu's?

[arista]

How come if a human is in the channel its ours, but if its a fish its the eu's?

Yes set up years ago.

[arista]

Man arrested after 8 Illegal migrants land on Kent coast in inflatable boat, today


https://news.sky.com/story/five-migrants-in-police-care-after-empty-boat-found-on-kent-beach-11601168

https://e3.365dm.com/19/01/1096x616/skynews-migrants-dungeness-police_4539789.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190107132800






8 more Illegal migrants detained after
empty dinghy found on Kent beach today.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-46782389

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/DE4D/production/_105090965_hi051504583.jpg

[arista]

Also:
[Illegal immigrant arrested after being
found stowing away on school trip coach
A man was found inside a school's coach
after it arrived back in Wiltshire
from a ski trip in the French Alps.]

https://news.sky.com/story/suspected-illegal-immigrant-arrested-after-being-found-stowing-away-on-school-trip-coach-11601302

[arista]

[Driver held after 27 Illegal Migrants found
in lorry on the M6, forcing the
motorway to close
Motorists had been urged to avoid
the area, with Highways England
reporting delays of 90 minutes]

https://e3.365dm.com/19/01/1096x616/skynews-m6-traffic_4541882.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190109185828

https://news.sky.com/story/police-search-lorries-as-m6-shuts-between-j15-and-j16-due-to-ongoing-incident-11603101

[The lorry was stopped by Staffordshire Police
between junctions 15 and 16 at
around 5.15pm on Wednesday.]

Lorry Driver
getting extra Cash?

[arista]

Today a Total of 16 more illegal migrants have reached the UK.
Mostly men all saying they are Iranians.

https://news.sky.com/story/18-suspected-migrants-detained-after-separate-uk-landings-11612650

[arista]

This time 6 illegal men came out of lorry.
That lorry Firm will get a big Fine.


[The Met Police detained 6 Illegal men at Corbets Tey Road,
Upminster, at around 14:30 GMT.
The men were transferred to
Home Office immigration officers. ]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47019947

[arista]

Another 10 Illegals
have just been picked up by a UK ship
now taken to Dover.

https://news.sky.com/story/up-to-19-migrants-rescued-from-boat-off-dover-coast-sky-sources-11641197

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/02/18/14/9959614-6717319-image-a-67_1550500035785.jpg


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/02/18/14/9959598-6717319-image-a-52_1550499872497.jpg

[Oliver_W]

I just don't understand why they're being taken to Dover instead of back to France?

[arista]

I just don't understand why they're being taken to Dover instead of back to France?


Yes
Maybe the French will not take them back
though.

[bots]

I just don't understand why they're being taken to Dover instead of back to France?

because they have to be processed before sending them back. If they didn't do so there would be no record of their illegal attempt to enter the UK

[Oliver_W]

because they have to be processed before sending them back. If they didn't do so there would be no record of their illegal attempt to enter the UK

Why can't that processing be to just record how many people they drop off in Calais (or wherever)?

[bots]

Why can't that processing be to just record how many people they drop off in Calais (or wherever)?

if you attempt to enter illegally then you get an instant ban on any legal attempts for a period of years. So they need their details. Also, if they try illegally again and get in, there is at least some record of them being there illegally with finger prints etc.

[Twosugars]

Read somewhere that this first safe country business is an EU thing, called the Dublin agreement. So I guess Britain will be out of that after brexit.

[Oliver_W]

if you attempt to enter illegally then you get an instant ban on any legal attempts for a period of years. So they need their details. Also, if they try illegally again and get in, there is at least some record of them being there illegally with finger prints etc.

That's all very well on paper, but I just don't trust that that's the way it's going down - are they actually being identified, recorded and sent back?

I'd much rather their boats be fully destroyed, and them dropped off in France.

[bots]

it is the standard processing thats done. If you have ever travelled to the USA on holiday, the first thing they do on arrival is take your fingerprints, it takes all of 10 seconds

[arista]

Another
13 Iranian men and 2 children picked up near Dover,

One filmed being frisked
https://news.sky.com/video/migrant-frisked-after-coming-ashore-11648269


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-47372076

[Oliver_W]

Urgh, just drop 'em off back in France ... or Iran.

[arista]

Urgh, just drop 'em off back in France ... or Iran.


Once processed
they maybe sent back to Iran


Its the System we are stuck with.

[arista]

Another, 9 Illegals, picked up near Dover waters
today in a small dinghy.

https://news.sky.com/story/border-force-intercepts-more-suspected-migrants-in-the-english-channel-11649812

8 Iranian
1 Afghanistan

[arista]

Another 11 illegals arrested
brought into Dover today.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Another 11 illegals arrested
brought into Dover today.

we must send them back immediately

[user104658]

we must send them back immediatelyThe government will get right on that... As soon as they're done scuttling around Westminster on all fours, covered in their own piss, sh*t and tears, shrieking incoherently about Brexit.

[Oliver_W]

we must send them back immediately

That would only make sense, and we can't have that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The government will get right on that... As soon as they're done scuttling around Westminster on all fours, covered in their own piss, sh*t and tears, shrieking incoherently about Brexit.

id hate to say you dont have a point

(i cant)

[chuff me dizzy]

Turn them around and send them back where they came from

[Nancy.]

Turn them around and send them back where they came from

:clap1:

[arista]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-47816811

Another 8 Iranian Illegal Men
arrested in Kent today.

[Brillopad]

:clap1:

Agreed.

[arista]

Today
[More than 30 migrants picked up by UK Border Force after crossing English Channel in boats]

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-22/border-force-intercepts-three-boats-with-36-on-board-in-english-channel/


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1120369057650417667/2CfZGziO?format=jpg&name=600x314

[arista]

Another 8 Illegal Migrants
picked up , taken to Dover
this time they are all Iraqi's

[Oliver_W]

Stop picking them up.

Don't actively sink their boats, but rescuing them achieves nothing constructive.

[Livia]

Tow them back to France. Or let them land, feed them, water them, take then down the Heathrow.

[arista]

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/16-migrants-stopped-in-channel-204436/

Another 16 illegal migrants picked up today

[Oliver_W]

Urgh. The illegals should either be not picked up, or be picked up and dropped off in France.

[Jason.]

Why are they fleeing France as if it's a third world country like bitch there are families trapped in Syria that would give anything to get out and live there

[arista]

Why are they fleeing France as if it's a third world country like bitch there are families trapped in Syria that would give anything to get out and live there


They saying its terrible in France
so they have been told its better in England

[arista]

Another Day
this time over 20 Illegals including kids
https://news.sky.com/story/up-to-25-suspected-migrants-rescued-off-kent-coast-11717822

[One boat was thought to be carrying some children
as young as two years old.
They were rescued by a lifeboat in Dover.
It is understood that Border Force was deployed to intercept a second vessel,
which was carrying up to 12 adults and heading towards Folkstone.
Both incidents were caught on camera.]

[arista]

Two Illegal migrant boats
11 Iranian men at Dover
and another boat with 9 (men and women) at Folkestone

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-48323206

[arista]

Small boat containing 8 Illegal migrants picked up off Dover coast
today.

https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/small-boat-containing-8-migrants-2908437

[arista]

Another 30 Illegal Migrants
arrested

https://news.sky.com/video/border-officials-intercept-migrants-in-dover-11732899

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48484017

[HM Coastguard said it had assisted
with nine vessels off the Kent coast.
Earlier, it was reported four boats with
30 people had been intercepted.]

[chuff me dizzy]

Turn them around and send them back where they came from

[hijaxers]

Two Illegal migrant boats
11 Iranian men at Dover
and another boat with 9 (men and women) at Folkestone

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-48323206

So if they are fish they are French ~ humans are ours !

[chuff me dizzy]

So if they are fish they are French ~ humans are ours !

Dead right !!

[Livia]

Didn't the sainted Sajid Javid is cut short a family holiday last Christmas to deal with the number of boats arriving, calling it a "major incident"? Didn't he call it "a crisis"? And now we have even more boats arriving than we did back then.... where is Javid and what is he doing about it?

[arista]

[Two boats containing 40 Illegal migrants, including children, have been intercepted off the Kent coast.
All those on board said they were from
Pakistan,
Iran and
Afghanistan, the Home Office said. ]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-48649341

It appears to be never ending..........

[Ammi]

..yeah never ending ..those whose very existence feels so hopeless and futureless that they’ll risk their lives in an attempt at a life of better value for themselves and their families...never ending those desperate people who just want what so many of us take for granted...when will they ever learn, eh..

[Oliver_W]

Why is the constant arrival of illegals not being seen as a crisis, and being stopped?

..yeah never ending ..those whose very existence feels so hopeless and futureless that they’ll risk their lives in an attempt at a life of better value for themselves and their families...never ending those desperate people who just want what so many of us take for granted...when will they ever learn, eh..

They could get that in France, or one of the many other countries they'd have passed through.

[arista]

Another
11 Illegal Migrants picked up today in a boat.

1147546951581339649

[Kizzy]

Desperate times call for desperate measures. As I've said countless times on this forum dehuminising those seeking refugee status is disgusting.
There but for the grace of God.

[Oliver_W]

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

The situation is getting desperate, and I'm surprised it's not being called a crisis. We need to stop the boats from departing.

[Kizzy]

The situation is getting desperate, and I'm surprised it's not being called a crisis. We need to stop the boats from departing.

How about some barbed wire 3 miles out round the perimeter of the UK?

[Oliver_W]

How about some barbed wire 3 miles out round the perimeter of the UK?

Close to 21 miles would be favourite.

They're coming from France. Their "desperate times" ended there, among the other countries they'd have passed through in Europe.

[Kizzy]

And? ... should where they've passed through change the way we treat them?

[Oliver_W]

And? ... should where they've passed through change the way we treat them?

As they've been through so much, they should be given an extra fluffy towel before being dropped off back in France :)

[arista]

Just reported on LBC
another 9 Iranians were picked up
so its a total of 20 Illegal Migrants
arrested in Dover area.

[arista]

Another 10 Illegal Migrants
picked up in Dover

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-48964378

[Oliver_W]

Cmon now government. Recognise this as a crisis and stop it from happening. Put coast guards in the Channel to turn them back.

[arista]

Another 20 Illegal migrants arrived on the Kent
coast this morning

[arista]

Today another 30 Illegal Migrants
arrested in Dover area

[A spokesman said the Border Force had dealt with four small boat incidents - the first at around 4am and the last at 7am.
One witness told Kent Online the migrants were being brought ashore at Dover's Western Docks and that some of the people were in canoes.]

https://news.sky.com/story/thirty-migrants-rescued-off-kent-coast-as-migrants-attempt-crossings-around-europe-11780804

[Beso]

Thank you EU for allowing this to be our problem.:thumbs:

[arista]

They are reporting one women went overboard
not found in the waters
so they are saying the first Death.

[arista]

More than 61 Illegal migrants have crossed
the Channel in six boats.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-49441135

[arista]

Prime Minister Johnson
has warned Illegal Migrants
he will send them back.

[arista]

The French rescued 22 Illegal Migrants
in trouble in their waters,
and they went Back To France.

Reported on SkyNewsHD

https://news.sky.com/story/child-among-22-migrants-rescued-from-channel-by-french-authorities-11793762

[Kizzy]

We'll all be paddling over to France post brexit... :idc:

[Oliver_W]

We'll all be paddling over to France post brexit... :idc:

Oh yeah let's go and live in a tent city which runs alongside a motorway so we can say the country we're in is part of a specific trade partnership!!

[arista]

Another 20 Illegal Migrants
have been arrested.
Arrived on a small boat

[Kizzy]

Oh yeah let's go and live in a tent city which runs alongside a motorway so we can say the country we're in is part of a specific trade partnership!!

I'd rather live there than stay here eating chlorinated chicken!

[arista]

Yesterday another 18 Illegal migrants arrested.


From a Report on BBCnewsHD
One Iranian man got to the UK
had to pay £10,000,
he went into Detention and after a month was
sent back to France.
Also stated the crossing now is lower costs
just cost around £3,000.


One French port has put some older men on night duty
to stop the Criminal Gangs
stealing bits from boats.

[UserSince2005]

We'll all be paddling over to France post brexit... :idc:

ill wave you off :xyxwave:

[arista]

A Big Amount of 50 illegal migrants
have entered our land from France, today.


https://news.sky.com/story/dover-50-suspected-migrants-picked-up-in-four-separate-incidents-11798470

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/video/migrants-rescued-off-dover-coast-11806370

More Illegal migrants from Iraq and Iran
arrested , over 20
today

[bots]

Eighty-six people attempted to cross the English Channel in a single day - amid claims that people smugglers were using threats about Brexit to pressure migrants.

Border Force officials intercepted six small vessels travelling towards the UK on Tuesday.

It is thought to be the highest number of people found in a single day.

French politician Pierre-Henri Dumont said migrants were wrongly being told "the crossing will close" after Brexit.

He blamed "fake news" about the UK's departure from the EU and said "security measures" alone would not stop the rise in crossings.

The Home Office said two small boats carrying a total of 23 people were intercepted by Border Force officials on Tuesday morning.

As the day progressed, four further vessels were intercepted, it said.

More than 1,100 people have crossed the Channel in small boats this year, with 336 in August.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-49648596

[arista]

Yes its a Good Point
in France it more Cash for the Criminals with boats
if they keep up the UK Leaving on the 31st of October
they are getting more wanting to take the chance by boat.

[arista]

Today another 2 boats arrived
with Illegal migrants
One had to be brought in at Ramsgate
due to the choppy waters today.



Also in France they are planning to remove all the Illegal Migrants in one close to the water zone
hence that massive 86,
that invaded yesterday

[Oliver_W]

Why is it being tolerated?

[Niamh.]

Why is it being tolerated?

Cos you haven't left the Eu yet probably :shrug:

[Twosugars]

Cos you haven't left the Eu yet probably :shrug:

At least within the EU Britain is in the Dublin agreement allowing for returning asylum seekers to the first safe country they arrived to.
It will not be the case after brexit :shrug:

[Oliver_W]

At least within the EU Britain is in the Dublin agreement allowing for returning asylum seekers to the first safe country they arrived to.
It will not be the case after brexit :shrug:
Because it's being enforced really strongly now...

[Twosugars]

Because it's being enforced really strongly now...

It is once they apply for asylum, last year 209 people were removed back to where they hopped here from
If they stay illegal then nothing can be done until they are discovered

Every little helps Ollie. But if you want to go it alone then :shrug:

[Oliver_W]

It is once they apply for asylum, last year 209 people were removed back to where they hopped here from
If they stay illegal then nothing can be done until they are discovered

Every little helps Ollie. But if you want to go it alone then :shrug:

I've given up caring either way about Brexit, I don't "want" to go it alone, but I do think the boats should be turned back before they arrive.

[arista]

Why is it being tolerated?


Because
there are to many Illegal Migrants in France
all waiting to get to the UK.

[Twosugars]

I've given up caring either way about Brexit, I don't "want" to go it alone, but I do think the boats should be turned back before they arrive.

Oop, a change of heart?

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EELBejcXkAAcTOU?format=jpg&name=small

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EELBejcXkAAcTOU?format=jpg&name=small

Arista you were egging on the PM as he was acting illegally in plain sight because it suited your wants, so I don't want anymore crap about "illegal migrants"

[Oliver_W]

Arista you were egging on the PM as he was acting illegally in plain sight because it suited your wants, so I don't want anymore crap about "illegal migrants"

Unrelated. That's like saying he'd support robberies. Approving of one person's "illegal" activities isn't supporting all of them.

[The Slim Reaper]

Unrelated. That's like saying he'd support robberies. Approving of one person's "illegal" activities isn't supporting all of them.

I have no idea what you're trying to say in bold, any chance you can expand on it, please?

I'm just pointing out the rank hypocrisy.

[Oliver_W]

I have no idea what you're trying to say in bold, any chance you can expand on it, please?

I'm just pointing out the rank hypocrisy.
How is it hypocrisy? Supporting Johnson's possibly illegal actions doesn't mean he supports all illegal actions.

[Twosugars]

Arista you were egging on the PM as he was acting illegally in plain sight because it suited your wants, so I don't want anymore crap about "illegal migrants"

Arista clocked

[The Slim Reaper]

How is it hypocrisy? Supporting Johnson's possibly illegal actions doesn't mean he supports all illegal actions.

I'd rather talk to Arista, than about him. If you don't think it's hypocrisy we'll agree to disagree.

[arista]

Arista you were egging on the PM as he was acting illegally in plain sight because it suited your wants, so I don't want anymore crap about "illegal migrants"


I am just reporting the Facts
they are Illegal Migrants
arrested as they arrive

[Cherie]

Cos you haven't left the Eu yet probably :shrug:

They are illegal though, they aren’t a boat full of French people, they are from a variety of different countries outside of Europe, economic migrants :laugh:

[arista]

Another 8 illegal migrants picked up in Kent
yesterday,

[Ammi]

..another 8 people striving for a better life and future...

[arista]

..another 8 people striving for a better life and future...



Not that Simple now
they can be sent back to France

[Ammi]

..it was never that simple, Arista...Brexits have been fought and lost on that striving for a better life and future for some who are not as fortunate as you and I...

[Cherie]

Maybe we can take these people and send a boat load of English people who hate where they live back :amazed:

[Vicky.]

Not sure if this has been posted at any point. But look at thexse proud english patriots, patrolling our shores to make sure no undesirables get here. Its so sweet and they clearly care a lot about the country and its nothing t do with anything else at all..

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/19/far-right-britain-first-patrolling-beaches-catch-migrants-10775258/?fbclid=IwAR3TYgAh-gHAnABEoyCJb8rMuEEdC1nRLtx6dQe1vHyick4BRxVqIlGDJn4

Clearly they are just worried about how many people injure themselves on the crossing, and are doing a public duty, and trying to stop people hurting themselves.

[arista]

Not sure if this has been posted at any point. But look at these proud English patriots, patrolling our shores to make sure no undesirables get here. Its so sweet and they clearly care a lot about the country and its nothing t do with anything else at all..

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/19/far-right-britain-first-patrolling-beaches-catch-migrants-10775258/?fbclid=IwAR3TYgAh-gHAnABEoyCJb8rMuEEdC1nRLtx6dQe1vHyick4BRxVqIlGDJn4

Clearly they are just worried about how many people injure themselves on the crossing, and are doing a public duty, and trying to stop people hurting themselves.


No I did not post that
as they can not cover the whole coast.
It was just a Promotion of their Far Right Leader Paul Golding

[Ammi]

...Britain First need to get more people then, to cover the whole coast...is that what we’re saying, they need to step on it...?...

[arista]

...Britain First need to get more people then, to cover the whole coast...is that what we’re saying, they need to step on it...?...


No its a small amount
of his men that help his group

[Cherie]

Not sure if this has been posted at any point. But look at thexse proud english patriots, patrolling our shores to make sure no undesirables get here. Its so sweet and they clearly care a lot about the country and its nothing t do with anything else at all..

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/19/far-right-britain-first-patrolling-beaches-catch-migrants-10775258/?fbclid=IwAR3TYgAh-gHAnABEoyCJb8rMuEEdC1nRLtx6dQe1vHyick4BRxVqIlGDJn4

Clearly they are just worried about how many people injure themselves on the crossing, and are doing a public duty, and trying to stop people hurting themselves.

twonks

[arista]

Some Good News

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFBXQ0sXkAEoFjy?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Another 13 Illegal Migrants arrived in a small boat
of the Kent coast, this morning
From Iran, Iraq and Egypt.
Men women and children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-50118495

[Kizzy]

Maybe we can take these people and send a boat load of English people who hate where they live back :amazed:

Maybe this is what James meant in his thread about conservative attitudes in older people?... Cherie would you have made a comment like this when you were 25, or have you changed would you say?

[Cherie]

Maybe this is what James meant in his thread about conservative attitudes in older people?... Cherie would you have made a comment like this when you were 25, or have you changed would you say?

Given I had to emigrate at 20 I would have said exactly the same, some British people do not appreciate the opportunities and freedoms this country affords them, you only have to look at the numbers trying to get here from France which supports my view

[Cherie]

I should qualify that by saying its mainly some English who express dissatisfaction with their country, the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish not so much :hehe:

[Kizzy]

Given I had to emigrate at 20 I would have said exactly the same, some British people do not appreciate the opportunities and freedoms this country affords them, you only have to look at the numbers trying to get here from France which supports my view

What makes you think that people are not apprecitative of this country?

[bots]

if the french could learn how to cook a steak properly we would have far fewer illegal immigrants here :pipe2:

[arista]

9 Illegal Migrants arrested on the M20 in Kent
who got off a lorry.


Reported on BBCnewsHD

[arista]

Not in Kent
But still 15 Illegals arrested from a Lorry

[A man has been arrested on suspicion
of assisting illegal entry after 15 people
were found in the back of a lorry in Wiltshire.]

https://news.sky.com/story/man-arrested-after-15-found-in-back-of-lorry-on-a350-near-chippenham-11856093

[Moniqua]

Why even rescue them? A few drownings would discourage others from trying it.

well aren't you vile

[Kizzy]

well aren't you vile

It's a right wing trope fo sho... most are that desensitised to it now it's not even recognised that he effectively just wished death on desperate vulnerable people.
Just another concerned UK citizen.

[arista]

One Man
who took a small boat in June this year with six Illegals
from France, got locked up for 6 years years today
at Canterbury court today.

[arista]

1196010364523167744


Yesterday 39 Illegal Migrants were
arrested on the Kent Coast
Many of them were reported as
Iranian.

[Ammi]

...another 39 people risking their lives in search for a better life...how very dare they...

[Beso]

...another 39 people risking their lives in search for a better life...how very dare they...

Do you know that's why they are risking thier lives?

[Ammi]

...maybe they risk their lives in search of a worse life...I probably didn’t consider that, my bad...

[Beso]

...maybe they risk their lives in search of a worse life...I probably didn’t consider that, my bad...



Let's hope they all get a nice warm house for the winter, and let's hope they ain't forced into prostitution or forced labour.

[Livia]

Again, all those safe countries they crossed to get to the benefits. Might take 'em a bit of time, while they get their permission to remain, then they're set. House, benefits, healthcare... I don't mind that if they're legal refugees or migrants. But hey... benefits are free, right? Like the NHS!

[Kizzy]

Illegal immigrants can't claim benefits... where is all this misinformation spouted on here coming from that's what I want to know? :/

[Niamh.]

Why even rescue them? A few drownings would discourage others from trying it.

What an horrific thing to say. The ability to dehumanise these people is terrifyingly cruel

[Cherie]

What an horrific thing to say. The ability to dehumanise these people is terrifyingly cruel

I know shocking, some poor man was picked up trying to swim the channel last week, I mean what goes through their heads and what misinformation is being fed to these people that they are so desperate to come here :shrug:

[arista]

Illegal immigrants can't claim benefits... where is all this misinformation spouted on here coming from that's what I want to know? :/


But they get our Housing
in some cases

[Niamh.]

I know shocking, some poor man was picked up trying to swim the channel last week, I mean what goes through their heads and what misinformation is being fed to these people that they are so desperate to come here :shrug:

Well, they must be pretty desperate to go to lengths like that

[Kizzy]

But they get our Housing
in some cases

In what cases... where have you seen an illegal migrant being gifted a house?

[arista]

In what cases... where have you seen an illegal migrant being gifted a house?


By the time they get housing
they are no longer illegal.

[Kizzy]

By the time they get housing
they are no longer illegal.

How does that work,
If you come here illigally you stay illegal, you can't claim benefits or work. How do you propose this changes and they become legal?

[Cherie]

Well, they must be pretty desperate to go to lengths like that

This is what I don't get though, they are in France, it would be like being in Ireland a safe country, and swimming to the UK, it makes no sense

[arista]

How does that work,
If you come here illigally you stay illegal, you can't claim benefits or work. How do you propose this changes and they become legal?


There are loads that are persecuted
if they return to their home nation
They are the ones that become legal
and Get Housing.

Meanwhile local people
can not get the same housing.

[Kizzy]

There are loads that are persecuted
if they return to their home nation
They are the ones that become legal
and Get Housing.

Meanwhile local people
can not get the same housing.


Where did you hear this.. where did they get the money for the appeal of the deportation hearing? I'm sorry arista but your posts read like a daily mail headline.

[arista]

Where did you hear this.. where did they get the money for the appeal of the deportation hearing? I'm sorry arista but your posts read like a daily mail headline.


I am Sorry I sound like the Daily Mail.

But these Illegals
are now tax payers
and get Free Housing.

It is a Election Time Bomb.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do the illegal migrants ever think about who will pay for their medical care, that they may take a job from a legal migrant or that they may live in accommodation that could have been assessed by a legal migrant?

also do they care we have legal immigration and that they are breaking our laws?

[arista]

Do the illegal migrants ever think about who will pay for their medical care, that they may take a job from a legal migrant or that they may live in accommodation that could have been assessed by a legal migrant?

also do they care we have legal immigration and that they are breaking our laws?


No at this moment it's FREE to all Illegals

[Beso]

Well, they must be pretty desperate to go to lengths like that

That's the thing though, at that point they don't need to risk thier lives as they are already in a safe haven!

[Crimson Dynamo]

what is dangerous about Vietnam tho, its a huge tourist area now?

[Kizzy]

I am Sorry I sound like the Daily Mail.

But these Illegals
are now tax payers
and get Free Housing.

It is a Election Time Bomb.

You make no sense if you work you pay tax if you work you oay rent. You don't work and get free housing.

[arista]

79 Illegal Migrants
arrived on the coast today
5 boats.

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[arista]

60 Illegal Migrants
arrested at the Dover coast

Reported on All Out Politics SkyNewsHD


https://news.sky.com/story/at-least-20-suspected-migrants-intercepted-in-english-channel-11888697

[arista]

15 Illegal migrants
arrested as they arrived near Dover this morning.

Early today.

[arista]

Its now
been updated : [Nearly 50 Illegal migrants rescued in Channel by officials]
Today,
one is a child.

https://news.sky.com/story/at-least-15-migrants-brought-ashore-at-dover-by-border-force-11895125


[The statement said: "They have presented themselves as Iranian, Iraqi and Afghan.]

[Twosugars]

Merry second day of Christmas Arista

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

Happy third day of Christmas

[Oliver_W]

C'mon Boris and Patel, pull your fingers out!

[arista]

C'mon Boris and Patel, pull your fingers out!


Yes the new Local Conservative MP (Natalie Elphicke)
said we must send them back to France

[The Slim Reaper]

Good to know that Arista et al can't even step away from hating immigrants over christmas. :joker: Take a couple of days off my guys, brown people will still exist in 2020.

[Twosugars]

Scrooge would be proud

[arista]

Good to know that Arista et al can't even step away from hating immigrants over christmas. :joker: Take a couple of days off my guys, brown people will still exist in 2020.



Thats not true
I am reporting the news

[arista]

11 Illegal Iranian Men arrested
in Dover

and
[31 rescued by the French were taken to Calais, where they were met by medics and border police. ]

Ref : SkyNewsHD and BBCnewsHD

[Captain.Remy]

They were trying to espace from the general strike we've had in France for a month over the pensions reform. :shrug:

[arista]

At last

Today 24 Illegals Migrants
and yesterday
41 Illegals Migrants

all came close to Dover
but all were taken back to France.


Good On Our PM.

[Beso]

And fed and watered on the return journey..well done Mr Johnson.

[arista]

Yesterday
90 Illegal Migrants arrived by 6 Dingys boats


All so far still in our nation..................

[Kizzy]

They'll be going back don't worry ..we've got rid of the Windrush kids who've worked here all their lives, these will be no problem.

[arista]

Its getting Worse

Friday had 102 Illegal Migrants

https://news.sky.com/story/102-migrants-intercepted-in-channel-highest-number-in-one-day-11928532

[Five inflatable boats were stopped
by Border Force, the Home Office said.

The vessels contained 102 people,
nine of whom managed to get to a beach in Kent
before being held by police.
They are believed to be from Iran, Iraq,
Afghanistan, Pakistan and Syria.

French authorities said they had
detained "around 30 people".]


https://e3.365dm.com/20/02/768x432/skynews-migrants-boats-dover_4914040.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20200207174616

[arista]

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[arista]

Last Night
95 Illegal invaded Kent
2 were children.

Covid 19 - to the Sellers of the Boat
means bugger all
pack them in , get the €400 or €500
and then send from FRANCE

The French caught 74 took them back
In today's Times Paper

[arista]

Today AM
another 52
Illegal Migrants
mostly from Iraq and Iran
arrested near Dover

[hijaxers]

Today AM
another 52
Illegal Migrants
mostly from Iraq and Iran
arrested near Dover

Total insanity ~ make em swim back !

[Zizu]

Total insanity ~ make em swim back !



Na ... just have snipers ready next time :)


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[arista]

Another 70 Illegal migrants
arrived in Kent on 4 boats from France.

More Costs for us.

[Zizu]

Another 70 Illegal migrants
arrived in Kent on 4 boats from France.

More Costs for us.



They should have just turned the boats around ... why on earth are we still taking them in this current situation especially.. from flamin France as well !


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[arista]

Another 29 Illegal Migrants
arrested at Hastings beach today
from France.


Part of a Total of 86 Illegal Migrants.