Prince Harry and Meghan have stepped back as Senior Members of the royal family

[jet]

All this talk about going away to protect the family. Total rubbish.
IMO Diva Meghan just didn't want to cut ribbons and open community centres and never intended to. What she wants is to consort with her mega - rich newly found 'friends' like Elton John, Oprah and the Clooneys, attend fancy galas, get the likes of Netflix deals and make millions by using their royal status. Of course she'll pop into a womans centre or food kitchen for 5 minutes now and then to prove how caring she is.
Harry will trail along behind her carrying her handbag.
The Queen, wise woman that she is, clipped her wings there. No using your Royal status or your HRH. The wise Queen has kept the door ajar for a year in case it doesn't work out, which I doubt it will. Harry will be back, I doubt Meghan will.
Thats how I see it panning out, for now.

[Marsh.]

"make millions by using their royal status"

"No using your Royal status or your HRH"

Logic 101.

[Beso]

How do you know it was her fault?
You don't, you just want to pour your bile on her.
Disgusting.

Did I say it was her fault.:shrug:

[jet]

Post articles on which you base you in depth research. Why so defensive?
Or tweets, clips of interviews.

I used to post them, but they were rarely read or commented on. Maybe the content didn't say what some wanted to hear. I posted a few interviews on this thread actually, with the same result. Ignored.

[Beso]

All this talk about going away to protect the family. Total rubbish.
IMO Diva Meghan just didn't want to cut ribbons and open community centres and never intended to. What she wants is to consort with her mega - rich newly found 'friends' like Elton John, Oprah and the Clooneys, attend fancy galas, get the likes of Netflix deals and make millions by using their royal status. Of course she'll pop into a womans centre or food kitchen for 5 minutes now and then to prove how caring she is.
Harry will trail along behind her carrying her handbag.
The Queen, wise woman that she is, clipped her wings there. No using your Royal status or your HRH. The wise Queen has kept the door ajar for a year in case it doesn't work out, which I doubt it will. Harry will be back, I doubt Meghan will.
Thats how I see it panning out, for now.

Yes..I think this is the post that allows me to ignore all the others an leave the thread.....mind firmly made up.

[jet]

"make millions by using their royal status"

"No using your Royal status or your HRH"

Logic 101.

There is still heaps they can do to make millions, if they had been allowed to use their status and HRH it was estimated they could be billionaires in 5 years.
Still beats cutting ribbons and having to play 2nd fiddle to William and Kate. Not quite what the Diva was aiming for though. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

There is still heaps they can do to make millions, if they had been allowed to use their status and HRH it was estimated they could be billionaires in 5 years.
Still beats cutting ribbons and having to play 2nd fiddle to William and Kate. Not quite what the Diva was aiming for though. :laugh:

Which correspondent told you this guff?

[jet]

Which correspondent told you this guff?

Prince Charles.

[Marsh.]

Prince Charles.

:laugh2:

[jet]

Yes..I think this is the post that allows me to ignore all the others an leave the thread.....mind firmly made up.

:thumbs:

[AnnieK]

Jet, this is a serious question. What were you thoughts and feelings on Diana?

[rusticgal]

All this talk about going away to protect the family. Total rubbish.
IMO Diva Meghan just didn't want to cut ribbons and open community centres and never intended to. What she wants is to consort with her mega - rich newly found 'friends' like Elton John, Oprah and the Clooneys, attend fancy galas, get the likes of Netflix deals and make millions by using their royal status. Of course she'll pop into a womans centre or food kitchen for 5 minutes now and then to prove how caring she is.
Harry will trail along behind her carrying her handbag.
The Queen, wise woman that she is, clipped her wings there. No using your Royal status or your HRH. The wise Queen has kept the door ajar for a year in case it doesn't work out, which I doubt it will. Harry will be back, I doubt Meghan will.
Thats how I see it panning out, for now.


I have to say....I do agree with your take on it.

[Twosugars]

All this talk about going away to protect the family. Total rubbish.
IMO Diva Meghan just didn't want to cut ribbons and open community centres and never intended to. What she wants is to consort with her mega - rich newly found 'friends' like Elton John, Oprah and the Clooneys, attend fancy galas, get the likes of Netflix deals and make millions by using their royal status. Of course she'll pop into a womans centre or food kitchen for 5 minutes now and then to prove how caring she is.
Harry will trail along behind her carrying her handbag.
The Queen, wise woman that she is, clipped her wings there. No using your Royal status or your HRH. The wise Queen has kept the door ajar for a year in case it doesn't work out, which I doubt it will. Harry will be back, I doubt Meghan will.
Thats how I see it panning out, for now.

The prejudice jumped out.
Not hiding behind "respected royal correspondents" anymore then.
Good, nobody was buying this "objectivity" and in depth research

[Twosugars]

I have to say....I do agree with your take on it.

I'm shocked

[rusticgal]

I'm shocked

Why?

[Twosugars]

Why?

Whoosh

It was sarcasm.

[rusticgal]

Whoosh

It was sarcasm.


Whoosh...so was mine. Just wondered what you were implying?

[Marsh.]

The prejudice jumped out.
Not hiding behind "respected royal correspondents" anymore then.
Good, nobody was buying this "objectivity" and in depth research

Too right.

[jet]

The prejudice jumped out.
Not hiding behind "respected royal correspondents" anymore then.
Good, nobody was buying this "objectivity" and in depth research

It's my opinion, based on many things, including my own eyes, my own thoughts and my own conclusions. From what you are saying, you must base your opinions solely on whatever it is you have read. You've slipped up there. I don''t, I'm more discerning than that.
Whether you buy it or not is irrelevant to me.

[Marsh.]

I'm more discerning than that.

The in depth research that must be required to just say "Meg's fault... her and.... that handbag!!" :thumbs:

[Glenn.]

What is the actual reasoning for this hatred and bile being spewed against this woman. Seriously?
Like what is it that she’s done that makes you really hate her I can’t seem to pinpoint anything. Just lots and lots of speculative assumptions.

[jet]

The in depth research that must be required to just say "Meg's fault... her and.... that handbag!!" :thumbs:

As opposed to your weird adoration where she can do nothing wrong, ever. Come on, give us your sources then...what do you base your opinions of the glorious one on....

[Marsh.]

As opposed to your weird adoration where she can do nothing wrong, ever.

Where have I said this? :think:

Did you invent that as well as these Meghan "facts"?

[jet]

Jet, this is a serious question. What were you thoughts and feelings on Diana?

Hi Annie, I'll get back to you on this, just sitting down to dinner now...:)

[jet]

Where have I said this? :think:

Did you invent that as well as these Meghan "facts"?

You don't have to say it, its obvious, but that isn't answering my question, is it?

[Marsh.]

You don't have to say it, its obvious

Telling you that your irrational hatred of this woman stems from inventing things to dislike about her does not equal adoration.

You're obviously not discerning or rational in your hatred of her to see that.

[jet]

Telling you that your irrational hatred of this woman stems from inventing things to dislike about her does not equal adoration.

You're obviously not discerning or rational in your hatred of her to see that.

Don't be silly, you can't possibly hate someone you don't know. I dislike her actions, different thing.
You still haven't answered the question....:think:

[Marsh.]

Don't be silly, you can't possibly hate someone you don't know. I dislike her actions, different thing.
You still haven't answered the question....:think:

You haven't asked me one.

If you mean, where do I get my opinions from, they're my opinions. I don't regurgitate something I've read or heard and use it to justify my dislike of someone I've never met.

[Oliver_W]

Edward VIII was King, a massive difference.

For less than a year ;) then he abdicated so he and she could swan back and forth across the Atlantic, living the celebrity socialite life.

[Marsh.]

For less than a year ;) then he abdicated so he and she could swan back and forth across the Atlantic, living the celebrity socialite life.

He abdicated because he was forbidden from having a relationship with her.

Harry is not giving up a throne and his relationship with Meghan is not forbidden.

Apples and oranges. The only comparison is they both married American women.

[Tom4784]

Just excuses, and weak ones.

You can't call an argument weak when you try to discount it by saying nothing. This response you offered up is nothing more than pure projection.

Respond to what I'm saying properly or have the dignity to throw in the towel. If you don't like what I'm saying, argue against it. It shouldn't be a problem to someone like you who obviously has all the answers.

[Jessica.]

Okay it's over with now, can they be left alone?

[Twosugars]

For less than a year ;) then he abdicated so he and she could swan back and forth across the Atlantic, living the celebrity socialite life.

You dont even know the history :laugh:

He had to abdicate bc they'd not let him marry a divorcee.
The choice was forced on him.

[Oliver_W]

You dont even know the history :laugh:

He had to abdicate bc they'd not let him marry a divorcee.
The choice was forced on him.

I never said it was a choice? I was just saying that Harry and Megs aren't the first since the Royals started to get "celebrity" status.

[Marsh.]

I never said it was a choice? I was just saying that Harry and Megs aren't the first since the Royals started to get "celebrity" status.

You said he abdicated to live a celebrity lifestyle. He didn't.
He abdicated because he was not allowed a relationship with her.

[jet]

You haven't asked me one.

If you mean, where do I get my opinions from, they're my opinions. I don't regurgitate something I've read or heard and use it to justify my dislike of someone I've never met.

Opinions are formed by what you see, hear and read. They just don't pop into your head from nowhere. :laugh:
So my question is, from which sources have you formed your opinions of her?
I've said how I formed mine, but you seem fixated on my choice of reading material only and reference that every chance you get. Your defensiveness is bizzare.

[Marsh.]

Opinions are formed by what you see, hear and read. They just don't pop into your head from nowhere. :laugh:
So my question is, how have you formed your opinions of her?
I've said how I formed mine, but you seem fixated on my reading material only and reference that every chance you get. Your defenciveness is bizzare.

Defensiveness?

Telling you that inventing things to dislike her for (if anything's bizarre it's that) is not through an adoration of Meghan, it's through common sense. That's literally it.

In terms of them as people, I don't have much of an opinion on them as I don't actually know them.

I have my opinions on the situation, which I've spoken at length about.

Your opinions on the situation are other people's opinions you've decided to accept as fact because they're negative.

[AnnieK]

Hi Annie, I'll get back to you on this, just sitting down to dinner now...:)

No probs....there is a reason behind my question so I look forward to your response...:love:

[jet]

Defensiveness?

Telling you that inventing things to dislike her for (if anything's bizarre it's that) is not through an adoration of Meghan, it's through common sense. That's literally it.

In terms of them as people, I don't have much of an opinion on them as I don't actually know them.

I have my opinions on the situation, which I've spoken at length about.

Your opinions on the situation are other people's opinions you've decided to accept as fact because they're negative.

There, you've done it again. Fixated on my reading material alone. :hehe:
What has formed your opinions then on the situation. You mustn't get them from non - tabloid papers, as that is taboo for you. What then? Megs social media fanclub? Positive twitterati?

[jet]

They are sueing the paps now for taking photos of Madam. The great escape wasn't thought out at all well.
I seen that in a paper Marshy, so it couldn't be true. Or could it. :smug:

[Marsh.]

There, you've done it again. Fixated on my reading material alone. :hehe:

Maybe if you only read the last sentence.


What has formed your opinions then on the situation. You mustn't get them from non - tabloid papers, as that is taboo for you. What then? Megs social media fanclub? Positive twitterati?

My own head. I don't need to read other people's opinions to form my own.

Novel concept to you, I guess.

[Marsh.]

They are sueing the paps now for taking photos of Madam. The great escape wasn't thought out at all well.
I seen that in a paper Marshy, so it couldn't be true. Or could it. :smug:

You seem to struggle with fact and opinion.

"Harry and Meghan are moving to Canada. Harry is moving because he is forced to by his diva wife, Meghan, who wants to go shopping for handbags with Oprah Winfrey."

The first sentence the paper would be reporting a fact. The second sentence is an unsupported opinion with no basis in fact.

Class dismissed.

[Twosugars]

They are sueing the paps now for taking photos of Madam. The great escape wasn't thought out at all well.
I seen that in a paper Marshy, so it couldn't be true. Or could it. :smug:

Marshy? That's a bit familiar, Jetty.

[rusticgal]

Opinions are formed by what you see, hear and read. They just don't pop into your head from nowhere. :laugh: .


Exactly right....none of know half of what is going on but we all form our opinions on what we see, hear and read. Why people feel the need to belittle people on knowledge and research when what we see and read allows us an opinion on someone. Sometimes we have to agree to disagree but judging and categorising people for their opinions is unacceptable.

[jet]

Jet, this is a serious question. What were you thoughts and feelings on Diana?

I really liked Diana. She had a vulnerability about her that was very human and relatable, a flawed character with a big heart. A genuinely compassionate woman.
She was like a lamb to the slaughter, a besotted 19 yr old marrying a 30 yr old man who didn't love her so she could breed some heirs. She had a rough time with the royal family, getting no help from them when she was floundering and her husband in love with someone else.
But boy, she captivated the world - and what a great Mum she was...
The peoples princess. :love:

[jet]

Maybe if you only read the last sentence.



My own head. I don't need to read other people's opinions to form my own.

Novel concept to you, I guess.

That's not even possible unless you never see or hear or read anything....and if that was the case then you would have never heard of Megs or Harry, or anyone for than matter. :laugh:
You would make a fortune with that trick on a new TV show - It's Just Inside Marshy's Head. I'd watch it.
Now stop messing about and answer the question. :nono:

[jet]

Marshy? That's a bit familiar, Jetty.

Do you think so Twosy?
Jetty - I like that, reminds me of going out on my boat.

[Marsh.]

That's not even possible unless you never see or hear or read anything....and if that was the case then you would have never heard of Megs or Harry, or anyone for than matter. :laugh:
You would make a fortune with that trick on a new TV show - It's Just Inside Marshy's Head. I'd watch it.
Now stop messing about and answer the question. :nono:

Again, you're struggling with fact and opinion. You find it impossible to distinguish between the two?

You seem to struggle with fact and opinion.

"Harry and Meghan are moving to Canada. Harry is moving because he is forced to by his diva wife, Meghan, who wants to go shopping for handbags with Oprah Winfrey."

The first sentence the paper would be reporting a fact. The second sentence is an unsupported opinion with no basis in fact.

Class dismissed.

.

[jet]

You seem to struggle with fact and opinion.

"Harry and Meghan are moving to Canada. Harry is moving because he is forced to by his diva wife, Meghan, who wants to go shopping for handbags with Oprah Winfrey."

The first sentence the paper would be reporting a fact. The second sentence is an unsupported opinion with no basis in fact.

Class dismissed.

Oh so you get the difference between fact and opinion now. I hoped you would. :clap1:
FACT: Meghan made Kate cry in a dispute over Charlottes bridesmaid dress.
OPINION: Meghan only wants to move to the US to make millions.
FACT: Meghan and Harry flew on 4 private jets after preaching to us about climate change.
OPINION: Meghan likely coerced Harry into leaving the royal family.

Fact and Opinion seminar is now over. Hope it was useful.

[Marsh.]

Oh so you get the difference between fact and opinion now. I hoped you would. :clap1:
FACT: Meghan made Kate cry in a dispute over Charlottes bridesmaid dress.
OPINION: Meghan only wants to move to the US to make millions.
FACT: Meghan and Harry flew on 4 private jets after preaching to us about climate change.
OPINION: Meghan likely coerced Harry into leaving the royal family.

Fact and Opinion seminar is now over. Hope it was useful.

You just copied my post and made out it was your own?

:joker:

At least you finally understood your irrational hatred of Meghan is based on nothing of substance but the regurgitation of other people's opinions. I'm proud of you.

[jet]

You just copied my post and made out it was your own?

:joker:

At least you finally understood your irrational hatred of Meghan is based on nothing of substance. I'm proud of you.

You're not getting it, are you? :hehe:

[Marsh.]

You're not getting it, are you? :hehe:

Your irrational hatred of the woman. Nobody does love.

[jet]

Exactly right....none of know half of what is going on but we all form our opinions on what we see, hear and read. Why people feel the need to belittle people on knowledge and research when what we see and read allows us an opinion on someone. Sometimes we have to agree to disagree but judging and categorising people for their opinions is unacceptable.

Thank you. :love:
I think when people feel threatened by reading something they don't like they try to bring others down to make themselves feel better.

[Marsh.]

The only one who has got personal is you.

I've focussed on the topic at hand and responded to the posts you've made.

[jet]

Your irrational hatred of the woman. Nobody does love.

Is that a fact or an opinion?

[Marsh.]

Is that a fact or an opinion?

It's a fact that your dislike of her is irrational, yes. Unless you can offer up some facts? I'm guessing not.

[Swan]

I don't care for either. Im fed up seeing them all over the papers (papers need to move on) and fed up seeing this debated absolutely everywhere, nothing really left to say just let them get on with it.

Also reading back this thread, some people just love to argue, the same person/s do it in every thread.

[Marsh.]

You have nothing to add but come in here to throw insults. Really constructive.

[Swan]

You have nothing to add but come in here to throw insults. Really constructive.

Insults? And i added my opinion, i feel it's time the world moves on from this now and lets them get on with it.

But yeah :)

[Marsh.]

Insults? And i added my opinion, i feel it's time the world moves on from this now and lets them get on with it.

But yeah :)

No, your thinly veiled insults at forum members.

But yeah :)

[Swan]

No, your thinly veiled insults at forum members.

But yeah :)

Yeah some people just love to argue for arguments sake, have a wonderful night marsh :)

[jet]

It's a fact that your dislike of her is irrational, yes. Unless you can offer up some facts? I'm guessing not.

No, its your opinion that my dislike of her is irrational, its not a fact, you're confusing them again. I've already explained my opinion on her behaviour many times from what I see, hear and read.
But well done you for forming an opinion on me from what your read here - you said your opinions just popped into your head from nowhere. That's progress.

[Marsh.]

Yeah some people just love to argue for arguments sake, have a wonderful night marsh :)

I will, thank you so much.

Off you go to add nothing to another thread. :hug:

[Marsh.]

No, its your opinion that my dislike of her is irrational, its not a fact, you're confusing them again.

It is fact. Your dislike of her is not based on anything rational.

Unless you want to provide the facts that explain your dislike, which you refuse to do. (Hint: facts do not include biased opinions from other sources, that's not a fact :thumbs:)

Goodnight, Jet.

[rusticgal]

It's a fact that your dislike of her is irrational, yes. Unless you can offer up some facts? I'm guessing not.

But your ‘facts’ surely are based on what you read just like other opinions are based on ‘facts’ they have read. It all comes down to individual interpretation of them. To judge someone else’s interpretation of facts as less relevant than your own is coming across judgmental and condescending imo. It’s simply opinion. None of us can catagorically say who is right or who is wrong.

[jet]

It is fact. Your dislike of her is not based on anything rational.

Unless you want to provide the facts that explain your dislike, which you refuse to do. (Hint: facts do not include biased opinions from other sources, that's not a fact :thumbs:)

Goodnight, Jet.

I don't have to provide facts to explain my dislike of her behaviour, what are you like? :laugh:

Night night! :wavey:

[Marsh.]

But your ‘facts’ surely are based on what you read just like other opinions are based on ‘facts’ they have read. It all comes down to individual interpretation of them.

Except that's not where this debate stemmed from.

The only facts any of us have as to the reasons for their move are from H&M themselves. Anything else is merely gossip, unless facts are proven to be true, prove their own words to be false etc. That's where the disagreement in the thread started.

To judge someone else’s interpretation of facts as less relevant than your own is coming across judgmental and condescending imo. It’s simply opinion. None of us can catagorically say who is right or who is wrong.

It may come across as judgemental or condescending, I see that. However, Jet categorically stated his/her opinion was worth more than anyone else's as it was based on solid research of facts (unlike the rest of us mere mortals). Now firstly, he/she refuses to share those "facts" with the group and the only source she shares are the Royal correspondents he/she consistently refer to despite them all being contradictory and biased in their view of events.

I hope that's cleared it up for you, I can see how it can get muddled after so many pages. :laugh:

[Glenn.]

‘Her behaviour’

Again, no one has pinpointed anything solid for the reasoning of hating the poor woman.

[Marsh.]

I don't have to provide facts to explain my dislike of her behaviour, what are you like? :laugh:

You're right, you don't have to.

If you're going to continue asserting it's based on solid research of facts, that's kind of where you have to... you know... provide those facts. :shrug:


Night night! :wavey:

:douf:

[jet]

However, Jet categorically stated his/her opinion was worth more than anyone else's as it was based on solid research of facts (unlike the rest of us mere mortals). Now firstly, he/she refuses to share those "facts" with the group and the only source she shares are the Royal correspondents he/she consistently refer to despite them all being contradictory and biased in their view of events.



That is not the case. I simply said I researched what the royal correspondents were saying as they were better sources whose writings nearly always turned out to be true, and right away and ever since you have tried to belittle me every time I posted an opinion. You continually asserted I was reading trashy tabloids and listening to gossip mongers.
People can read so stop rewriting history.

[Marsh.]

That is not the case. I simply said I researched what the royal correspondents were saying as they were better sources whose writings nearly always turned out to be true, and right away and ever since you have tried to belittle me every time I posted an opinion. You continually asserted I was reading trashy tabloids and listening to gossip mongers.
People can read so stop rewriting history.

I didn't assert you read the trashy mags, I said you were coming out with the same stuff they were. And yes, I include the biased reporting of correspondents in the gossip mongers.

If you find someone disagreeing with you in a debate belittling than I don't know what to say. :shrug:

[jet]

I didn't assert you read the trashy mags, I said you were coming out with the same stuff they were. And yes, I include the biased reporting of correspondents in the gossip mongers.

If you find someone disagreeing with you in a debate belittling than I don't know what to say. :shrug:

I don't find disagreements belittling in the slightest, I enjoy a debate. But when someone disagrees and repeats the same thing over and over every time you post and ignores your explanations seemingly just for the hell of it, it is unpleasant. That isn't debate, its arguing for arguings sake and I was guilty of that too.
I didn't say I felt belittled, I said you tried to belittle me. You didn't succeed.
I'm not going to engage with you again, ever.

[Marsh.]

I don't find disagreements belittling in the slightest, I enjoy a debate. But when someone disagrees and repeats the same thing over and over every time you post and ignores your explanations seemingly just for the hell of it, it is unpleasant.

Erm... you haven't explained. The whole point is you have refused to explain. :laugh:

I believe your excuse was that everyone wouldn't believe your sources anyway. Except if they're as reliable and factual as you claim, nobody could refute them.


I'm not going to engage with you again, ever.

You've said this a few times. Do what you want, I'm not bothered. :shrug:

:douf:

[arista]

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Yes Harry
its cold in Canada

[AnnieK]

I really liked Diana. She had a vulnerability about her that was very human and relatable, a flawed character with a big heart. A genuinely compassionate woman.
She was like a lamb to the slaughter, a besotted 19 yr old marrying a 30 yr old man who didn't love her so she could breed some heirs. She had a rough time with the royal family, getting no help from them when she was floundering and her husband in love with someone else.
But boy, she captivated the world - and what a great Mum she was...
The peoples princess. :love:

Thank you.

There is so much love for Diana and the reason I asked the question is because I personally see so many similarities with Meghan. Please hear me out.

Both Diana and Meghan openly talked of their struggles about being a member of the Royal family and the little support they got on their transition to being always scrutinised. Diana developed eating problems because of it, Meghan has talked of struggling.

Both openly adore (d) their children and wanted as normal a life for them.

Both used the press to their advantage at times when it suited. Diana was a master at this

Both got A List friends off the back of thier fame from being Royal -'Diana with the likes of Elton John, Meghan with the Clooneys etc

The only main differences I see is that unlike Diana, Meghan has a husband who loves and cherishes her and is willing to leave with her before the pressure destroys her and them.

[bots]

What I find interesting is that no-one has mentioned the fact that Harry is the product of Diana's relationship with Hewitt. He therefore isn't royalty in the first place, so he is not really giving up anything :idc:

[Swan]

What I find interesting is that no-one has mentioned the fact that Harry is the product of Diana's relationship with Hewitt. He therefore isn't royalty in the first place, so he is not really giving up anything :idc:

Yeah this is true tbf, he's not royal by blood in any case.

[Ammi]

You haven't asked me one.

If you mean, where do I get my opinions from, they're my opinions. I don't regurgitate something I've read or heard and use it to justify my dislike of someone I've never met.

...Marsh..:love:...this is very much where my thoughts are as well...I doubt there are many, if not any of us...who have not at some point in our lives, felt unfairness of negative judgement because of things like ‘slanted hearsay’...and we would rightfully scream at the injustice of it if it were aimed at us...and yet...?...human nature can judge others in a way that it would wish and hope to never to be judged itself...

[Ammi]

...Harry looks so much like Charles, I’m not even going to go there..:laugh:..

[Ammi]

..in all seriousness though ...that’s another huge thing that the media have thrown at Harry...which hasn’t applied to other Royals...and such a damaging thing...:sad:..

[Ammi]

Thank you.

There is so much love for Diana and the reason I asked the question is because I personally see so many similarities with Meghan. Please hear me out.

Both Diana and Meghan openly talked of their struggles about being a member of the Royal family and the little support they got on their transition to being always scrutinised. Diana developed eating problems because of it, Meghan has talked of struggling.

Both openly adore (d) their children and wanted as normal a life for them.

Both used the press to their advantage at times when it suited. Diana was a master at this

Both got A List friends off the back of thier fame from being Royal -'Diana with the likes of Elton John, Meghan with the Clooneys etc

The only main differences I see is that unlike Diana, Meghan has a husband who loves and cherishes her and is willing to leave with her before the pressure destroys her and them.

...that’s the key, I think...we are all flawed, obviously...but whether our flawed is seen as vulnerable and endearing or seen as cold and calculating is always going to be dictated by what we feel about a person...or indeed, what a person feels about us...all that differs are perspectives..lovely post, Annie..:love:..

[arista]

What I find interesting is that no-one has mentioned the fact that Harry is the product of Diana's relationship with Hewitt. He therefore isn't royalty in the first place, so he is not really giving up anything :idc:



Yes DNA test them

[Kizzy]

I forgot all about that... not only did he have his mums death to deal with then the gutter press started their horrible is he , isn't he campaign :( poor kid, the press really have been bastards to him all his life!

[Ammi]

I forgot all about that... not only did he have his mums death to deal with then the gutter press started their horrible is he , isn't he campaign :( poor kid, the press really have been bastards to him all his life!

...and in their consideration and concern for Archie..?..it’s not just about him being exposed...it’s about all of the awful, slanted press toward his mother and trying to protect him from that because of how damaging that is...and that damage can be with someone for a whole lifetime and shade so much of their life...

[Kizzy]

...and in their consideration and concern for Archie..?..it’s not just about him being exposed...it’s about all of the awful, slanted press toward his mother and trying to protect him from that because of how damaging that is...and that damage can be with someone for a whole lifetime and shade so much of their life...

True, it would be like history repeating itself a Boy reading vile things about his mum but not being able to voice publicly how he feels about it. Time to break the cycle.

[Ammi]

True, it would be like history repeating itself a Boy reading vile things about his mum but not being able to voice publicly how he feels about it. Time to break the cycle.

...I hope with all of my heart that it can be broken, Kizzy...and that they’re able to have the future lives they so crave for their family...

[thesheriff443]

So much admiration and love for these pair of let downs.

They are bloody parents, no different to any other parent wanting to do the best for a child.

Poor her poor hin poor archi, just down the road from me they are building a new massive children’s hospice.

You know the place where kids go to die!

Get a grip of reality with all gushing over to over privileged losers.

[AnnieK]

So much admiration and love for these pair of let downs.

They are bloody parents, no different to any other parent wanting to do the best for a child.

Poor her poor hin poor archi, just down the road from me they are building a new massive children’s hospice.

You know the place where kids go to die!

Get a grip of reality with all gushing over to over privileged losers.

So are people not allowed to talk about anything else because a children's hospice is being built? There is no loss of reality where that is concerned sheriff.....but you know what, kids will still die whether we talk about the Royals or not. Ranting on a rtv website about people talking about current affairs won't change that. It doesn't have to be one or the other....

[thesheriff443]

So are people not allowed to talk about anything else because a children's hospice is being built? There is no loss of reality where that is concerned sheriff.....but you know what, kids will still die whether we talk about the Royals or not. Ranting on a rtv website about people talking about current affairs won't change that. It doesn't have to be one or the other....

So to use you as an example, but you lost your mum and had to deal with it, did you have hundreds of thousands in the bank or did you have do like most work your arse of to pay the bills and deal with life.

They were happy to have the intrusion of the media to have a royal wedding funded by the public to which the invited celebrity’s and ate the best food and finest wine all payed for by us.

But then it’s all to much and they need to escape.

Hypocrisy at highest level.

They two could take a dump in someone’s dinner and they would lap it up .

[user104658]

"How dare people with cash in the bank be unhappy" blah blah blah :idc:

Money can make certain aspects of life easier but it doesn't make the hard parts evaporate Sheriff. It doesn't work that way I'm afraid.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/01/22/01/23653542-7913065-The_Duchess_of_Sussex_held_her_eight_month_old_son _on_her_chest_-a-37_1579657940480.jpg
Dogs as well
2 Security Fellas behind her.

[user104658]

Dogs as well

How DARE she. Keeping an animal as a prisoner!! Look at her, she has it on a ROPE of some sort to stop it running off, the scum!

[arista]

How DARE she. Keeping an animal as a prisoner!! Look at her, she has it on a ROPE of some sort to stop it running off, the scum!


Yes I bet the Security fellas
Bag the poo

[Liam-]

Yes I bet the Security fellas
Bag the poo

I’d have someone bag my dogs **** for me to if I could, clever lass our Megs

[Marsh.]

What I find interesting is that no-one has mentioned the fact that Harry is the product of Diana's relationship with Hewitt. He therefore isn't royalty in the first place, so he is not really giving up anything :idc:

Yeah this is true tbf, he's not royal by blood in any case.

More gossip presented as fact.

I suppose Harry's resemblance to Charles is a coincidence. :rolleyes:

[Marsh.]

...Marsh..:love:...this is very much where my thoughts are as well...I doubt there are many, if not any of us...who have not at some point in our lives, felt unfairness of negative judgement because of things like ‘slanted hearsay’...and we would rightfully scream at the injustice of it if it were aimed at us...and yet...?...human nature can judge others in a way that it would wish and hope to never to be judged itself...

Exactly Ammi! :clap1:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/01/21/20/23695168-7913065-Thomas_Markle_75_has_opened_up_about_the_breakdown _of_his_relati-a-38_1579638859339.jpg

Docu' tonight 9PM Ch5HD tonight
the Dad claims they are making Walmart with a Crown on it.

The Producer/Director David Modell who went out there
paid him around £16,000,
for the hour .

He (the Film Maker) was on Ch5HD AM Live.

[Niamh.]

More gossip presented as fact.

I suppose Harry's resemblance to Charles is a coincidence. :rolleyes:

Aside from the red hair him and Charles are the image of each other

[Marsh.]

So much admiration and love for these pair of let downs.

They are bloody parents, no different to any other parent wanting to do the best for a child.

Poor her poor hin poor archi, just down the road from me they are building a new massive children’s hospice.

You know the place where kids go to die!

Get a grip of reality with all gushing over to over privileged losers.

What about this! What about that! What about! What about! What about!!!!!!!

[Marsh.]

Aside from the red hair him and Charles are the image of each other

I agree and the red hair ran in Diana's family too IIRC.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/01/21/20/23695380-7913065-image-a-35_1579638565532.jpg
Daddy's Girl
when she was younger

[Marsh.]

How DARE she. Keeping an animal as a prisoner!! Look at her, she has it on a ROPE of some sort to stop it running off, the scum!

:laugh2:

[user104658]

Aside from the red hair him and Charles are the image of each other

He had a look of Hewitt when he was younger but I think that's been knocked on the head now that he's in his 30's. For me it's more the fact that he's practically a clone of ol' Philip if you look at photos from 50-60 years ago... like there's literally no way he's not Harry's grandfather. Harry just looks very different to William because William clearly got a lot more of Liz's genes. He looks like Edward and Andrew, while Harry looks like Charles and Phil.

[Livia]

I always thought Harry looked like Diana's Brother who is also a ginger.

[user104658]

I always thought Harry looked like Diana's Brother who is also a ginger.

:omgno: What are you saying Livia! I know the Royals have their scandals but...

[Niamh.]

ew ffs :laugh:

But yeah definitely very very like Phillip too

[Livia]

:omgno: What are you saying Livia! I know the Royals have their scandals but...

I live in Norfolk, what can I say...? My local village, two surnames.

[rusticgal]

I used to think Harry looked more like James H but you see a lot of Charles in him now he is older.

[Kazanne]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/01/22/01/23653542-7913065-The_Duchess_of_Sussex_held_her_eight_month_old_son _on_her_chest_-a-37_1579657940480.jpg
Dogs as well
2 Security Fellas behind her.

I hope she gets her dog poo up :hehe:

[Beso]

I hope she gets her dog poo up :hehe:

To posh to pick....some lacky will be doing it for her.

[Zizu]

To posh to pick....some lacky will be doing it for her.



She’s doing ok .. two dogs ( on leads which is responsible behaviour) , carrying the baby and looking scrumptious..

:)


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[arista]

To posh to pick....some lacky will be doing it for her.


Yes one of the Security
can bag it for her.

[Cherie]

I hope she gets her dog poo up :hehe:

I don't see any dog bags....:laugh:

[Kazanne]

I don't see any dog bags....:laugh:

Careful now,you'll be getting sued :hehe:

[Beso]

She’s doing ok .. two dogs ( on leads which is responsible behaviour) , carrying the baby and looking scrumptious..

:)


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2 dogs on a lead says to me they are disobedient dogs....

They do say dogs are like thier owners..don't they :laugh:

[Niamh.]

2 dogs on a lead says to me they are disobedient dogs....

They do say dogs are like thier owners..don't they :laugh:

What? :laugh: Dogs are supposed to be on leads

Also, who is Meghan supposed to be obedient to? :conf:

[Beso]

What? :laugh: Dogs are supposed to be on leads

Also, who is Meghan supposed to be obedient to? :conf:

Not in woods..set them free if you have them trained well..and she is supposed to be obedient to the nation.


On another note.....what if archie wants back into the royal family when he is older. ...can he?

[user104658]

"Obedient to the nation" :umm2:

[Niamh.]

Not in woods..set them free if you have them trained well..and she is supposed to be obedient to the nation.


On another note.....what if archie wants back into the royal family when he is older. ...can he?

"Obedient to the nation" :umm2:

back to ownership again............

[Kizzy]

So much admiration and love for these pair of let downs.

They are bloody parents, no different to any other parent wanting to do the best for a child.

Poor her poor hin poor archi, just down the road from me they are building a new massive children’s hospice.

You know the place where kids go to die!

Get a grip of reality with all gushing over to over privileged losers.
Start a thread about it and we'll discuss it. There are always going to be more horrible things going on in the world it does not mean all other topics don't warrant debate.

[jet]

Thank you.

There is so much love for Diana and the reason I asked the question is because I personally see so many similarities with Meghan. Please hear me out.

Both Diana and Meghan openly talked of their struggles about being a member of the Royal family and the little support they got on their transition to being always scrutinised. Diana developed eating problems because of it, Meghan has talked of struggling.

Both openly adore (d) their children and wanted as normal a life for them.

Both used the press to their advantage at times when it suited. Diana was a master at this

Both got A List friends off the back of thier fame from being Royal -'Diana with the likes of Elton John, Meghan with the Clooneys etc

The only main differences I see is that unlike Diana, Meghan has a husband who loves and cherishes her and is willing to leave with her before the pressure destroys her and them.

I don’t see them being similar at all. They are as different as chalk and cheese in their personalities - and the circumstances couldn’t be more different.
Diana was 19 yrs old when she married, Meghan was 37, a mature woman (or should be) and should have thought carefully about what she was getting into, though IMO she never intended to be a dutiful royal wife, she had other plans.

Diana carried out her duties for many years under terrible strain and bulimia besides before she went kind of rogue, which she had good reason to do, Meghan gave it barely more than a year even though she was welcomed into the family who didn’t want to repeat their mistakes with Diana.
Meghan has the love of a supportive husband, Diana did not.

Diana earned the love and acceptance of the people before she tried to do anything political, like her land mine campaign, and she was actually divorced then anyway.
Meghan came into the family with all guns blazing, looking to make them more ‘progressive’. Fine, once you have earned respect and acceptance, but not off the hoof. I mean, who did the upstart Diva think she was?
After her divorce, with a settlement of a paltry 17 million in royal terms, Diana was offered numerous money making deals from the likes of perfume houses and TV networks and turned them all down. Meghan (and Harry) wanted to give up their public funding, which is only 5% of their income to make millions with commerical deals.
Not the same at all.

[jet]

In their engagement interview Meghan said she knew very little about the Royals and Harry (remember that?). She said the first things she asked about him was "is he kind"? For many people, that was when the alarm bells rang.

A childhood friend, however, said in a magazine interview that Meghan had always been obsessed with Diana and had books about her on her bookshelf.
There was a pic posted of this friend and Meghan posing outside the gates of Buckingham Palace.

Liz Cundy has said that when Meghan was in London a few months before she went on a first date with Harry, she asked Liz 'if she knew any famous British men' she could date.
Ashley Cole was mentioned, and Matt Cardle. I don't think that was what Meghan had in mind. :smug:

[Glenn.]

In their engagement interview Meghan said she knew very little about the Royals and Harry (remember that?). She said the first things she asked about him was "is he kind"? For many people, that was when the alarm bells rang.

A childhood friend, however, said in a magazine interview that Meghan had always been obsessed with Diana and had books about her on her bookshelf.
There was a pic posted of this friend and Meghan posing outside the gates of Buckingham Palace.

Liz Cundy has said that when Meghan was in London a few months before she went on a first date with Harry, she asked Liz 'if she knew any famous British men' she could date.
Ashley Cole was mentioned, and Matt Cardle. I don't think that was what Meghan had in mind. :smug:

...

[Zizu]

2 dogs on a lead says to me they are disobedient dogs....



They do say dogs are like thier owners..don't they :laugh:



Na ... I hate seeing dogs free to roam and hassle other dogs / people .. plus there’s no way owners who let their dogs go free are picking up their ‘deposits’ .


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[thesheriff443]

Start a thread about it and we'll discuss it. There are always going to be more horrible things going on in the world it does not mean all other topics don't warrant debate.

Gushing over Megan and Harry like they are family praising them for putting their family first while they take archi away from his grandad great grandad and grandmother his uncle and cousins.

Especially when his great grandad is virtually bed ridden.

So yea they are such thoughtful people.

[rusticgal]

I don’t see them being similar at all. They are as different as chalk and cheese in their personalities - and the circumstances couldn’t be more different.
Diana was 19 yrs old when she married, Meghan was 37, a mature woman (or should be) and should have thought carefully about what she was getting into, though IMO she never intended to be a dutiful royal wife, she had other plans.

Diana carried out her duties for many years under terrible strain and bulimia besides before she went kind of rogue, which she had good reason to do, Meghan gave it barely more than a year even though she was welcomed into the family who didn’t want to repeat their mistakes with Diana.
Meghan has the love of a supportive husband, Diana did not.

Diana earned the love and acceptance of the people before she tried to do anything political, like her land mine campaign, and she was actually divorced then anyway.
Meghan came into the family with all guns blazing, looking to make them more ‘progressive’. Fine, once you have earned respect and acceptance, but not off the hoof. I mean, who did the upstart Diva think she was?
After her divorce, with a settlement of a paltry 17 million in royal terms, Diana was offered numerous money making deals from the likes of perfume houses and TV networks and turned them all down. Meghan (and Harry) wanted to give up their public funding, which is only 5% of their income to make millions with commerical deals.
Not the same at all.


That’s a great assessment.... Diana and Meghan really draw no comparisons whatsoever.

[AnnieK]

I don’t see them being similar at all. They are as different as chalk and cheese in their personalities - and the circumstances couldn’t be more different.
Diana was 19 yrs old when she married, Meghan was 37, a mature woman (or should be) and should have thought carefully about what she was getting into, though IMO she never intended to be a dutiful royal wife, she had other plans.

Diana carried out her duties for many years under terrible strain and bulimia besides before she went kind of rogue, which she had good reason to do, Meghan gave it barely more than a year even though she was welcomed into the family who didn’t want to repeat their mistakes with Diana.
Meghan has the love of a supportive husband, Diana did not.

Diana earned the love and acceptance of the people before she tried to do anything political, like her land mine campaign, and she was actually divorced then anyway.
Meghan came into the family with all guns blazing, looking to make them more ‘progressive’. Fine, once you have earned respect and acceptance, but not off the hoof. I mean, who did the upstart Diva think she was?
After her divorce, with a settlement of a paltry 17 million in royal terms, Diana was offered numerous money making deals from the likes of perfume houses and TV networks and turned them all down. Meghan (and Harry) wanted to give up their public funding, which is only 5% of their income to make millions with commerical deals.
Not the same at all.

Thank you for your reply. There are parts that I do not agree with, I personally (and I know this is a very unpopular opinion) was not a big fan of Diana other than her as a mother but she more than Meghan knew what she was getting into with regards to the Royals, her birth status meant they were in similar circles. She was also wife of the Heir to the Throne and so had far more pressure on her to conform even though she fought against it for years (as reported by many correspondents). The language you use when discussing Meghan shows that you are not really willing to see any other view of her (upstart diva etc) and I would never try to change anyone's opinion as I personally will not change mine either.

I've enjoyed discussing this with you but I think we have reached an impass now but thank you for your opinions on this.

[Kizzy]

Gushing over Megan and Harry like they are family praising them for putting their family first while they take archi away from his grandad great grandad and grandmother his uncle and cousins.

Especially when his great grandad is virtually bed ridden.

So yea they are such thoughtful people.

Why are you framing withe winsors as the waltons? ..:laugh:

[AnnieK]

That’s a great assessment.... Diana and Meghan really draw no comparisons whatsoever.

In Jet's and your opinion. In mine I see great comparisons and I think that is why Harry is so drawn to Meghan, he sees a lot of his mother's attributes in her.

Both strong women
Both uncomfortable with Royal life and spoke openly about it
Both with very strong views on their chosen causes
Both adored their children
Both wanted a "normal" life for their children
Both enjoyed a love/hate relationship with the media depending on how it fit the cause

Anyway, as said its all opinion anyway, only Harry and Meghan know the real reasons behind their exodus.

[jet]

Thank you for your reply. There are parts that I do not agree with, I personally (and I know this is a very unpopular opinion) was not a big fan of Diana other than her as a mother but she more than Meghan knew what she was getting into with regards to the Royals, her birth status meant they were in similar circles. She was also wife of the Heir to the Throne and so had far more pressure on her to conform even though she fought against it for years (as reported by many correspondents). The language you use when discussing Meghan shows that you are not really willing to see any other view of her (upstart diva etc) and I would never try to change anyone's opinion as I personally will not change mine either.

I've enjoyed discussing this with you but I think we have reached an impass now but thank you for your opinions on this.

That's a good point Annie, though she could never have anticipated the obsessive interest the people, the press and paparzzi (who had little restrictions on them, not like nowadays) were going to have for her. The Diana circus was a phenomena that hadn't happened with any royal before or since.

When I first saw Meghan with Harry as his girlfriend at the Invictus games I was delighted for him, he looked so happy, and she looked gorgeous.
It was the engagement interview that I began to have doubts about her, (not that my doubt should mean anything of course) :hee: and there has been too much food for thought since to make me warm to her at all.

[jet]

In Jet's and your opinion. In mine I see great comparisons and I think that is why Harry is so drawn to Meghan, he sees a lot of his mother's attributes in her.

Both strong women
Both uncomfortable with Royal life and spoke openly about it
Both with very strong views on their chosen causes
Both adored their children
Both wanted a "normal" life for their children
Both enjoyed a love/hate relationship with the media depending on how it fit the cause

Anyway, as said its all opinion anyway, only Harry and Meghan know the real reasons behind their exodus.

Diana and Meghan went about these things in different circumstances, different ways and at different times in their royal roles.

[rusticgal]

In Jet's and your opinion. In mine I see great comparisons and I think that is why Harry is so drawn to Meghan, he sees a lot of his mother's attributes in her.

Both strong women
Both uncomfortable with Royal life and spoke openly about it
Both with very strong views on their chosen causes
Both adored their children
Both wanted a "normal" life for their children
Both enjoyed a love/hate relationship with the media depending on how it fit the cause

Anyway, as said its all opinion anyway, only Harry and Meghan know the real reasons behind their exodus.

I disagree. Diana was never seen as a strong woman when she joined the Royal family....she really was anything but.
Diana was never uncomfortable with Royal life...
Both adored their children?....most mothers do :shrug:
Of course they had strong views on their chosen causes...they chose them :shrug:
Yes they both want/wanted a “normal” life for their children....but when you marry into the Royal family that was never going to be the case. Diana did everything she could to balance normality with commitment and she did a great job..Meghan has pretty much denied Archie his heritage to some extent.

As for the media....possibly the one thing they do share. However, Diana had to deal with so much more press attention at a very young age...Meghan at a mature age had already enjoyed press attention as an actress...so she was well versed.
Most of Diana’s press attention was positive...an endearing vulnerable young lady who played her role perfectly...during her marriage she took on her responsibilities throughout personal difficult times. Meghan however...a beautiful lady but she inevitably bought her diva actress attitude into her role...and it hasn’t gone down well. She could have turned it around at any point...but she didn’t want to.

[Marsh.]

Diana was never uncomfortable with Royal life...

Yeah, starving herself and throwing herself down a flight of stairs are the actions of a comfortable woman.

[Marsh.]

a magazine interview

Liz Cundy

:joker::joker::joker:

[Marsh.]

Gushing over Megan and Harry like they are family praising them for putting their family first while they take archi away from his grandad great grandad and grandmother his uncle and cousins.

Especially when his great grandad is virtually bed ridden.

So yea they are such thoughtful people.

Look at you ranting about all this when there's kids dying in Africa. Have some respect.

[Zizu]

Yeah, starving herself and throwing herself down a flight of stairs are the actions of a comfortable woman.



I think you should be blaming Charlie and his heartless mistress for all of Di’s troubles


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[Marsh.]

I think you should be blaming Charlie and his heartless mistress for all of Di’s troubles


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I don't believe I suggested otherwise.

[Zizu]

I don't believe I suggested otherwise.



Fair enough .. maybe you should / could have expanded on your thoughts though . I took it as a slight /criticism of Di ..


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[Marsh.]

Fair enough .. maybe you should / could have expanded on your thoughts though . I took it as a slight /criticism of Di ..


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Oh, not at all, no criticism towards Di.

An example of how she didn't exactly cope well under the strains of Royal life, which included her tumultuous marriage. I doubt many people would cope well under that pressure.

[Twosugars]

Diana, a daughter of an earl so born and bred aristocrat, couldn't cope with the gossipy and backstabbing royal household. Why Meghan at 36, coming from different country, should be expected to put up with it?

[jet]

I disagree. Diana was never seen as a strong woman when she joined the Royal family....she really was anything but.
Diana was never uncomfortable with Royal life...
Both adored their children?....most mothers do :shrug:
Of course they had strong views on their chosen causes...they chose them :shrug:
Yes they both want/wanted a “normal” life for their children....but when you marry into the Royal family that was never going to be the case. Diana did everything she could to balance normality with commitment and she did a great job..Meghan has pretty much denied Archie his heritage to some extent.

As for the media....possibly the one thing they do share. However, Diana had to deal with so much more press attention at a very young age...Meghan at a mature age had already enjoyed press attention as an actress...so she was well versed.
Most of Diana’s press attention was positive...an endearing vulnerable young lady who played her role perfectly...during her marriage she took on her responsibilities throughout personal difficult times. Meghan however...a beautiful lady but she inevitably bought her diva actress attitude into her role...and it hasn’t gone down well. She could have turned it around at any point...but she didn’t want to.

Good points, rusticgal.
I think its very sad that Archie is being denied his heritage, and being taken away from his great grandfather and great grandmother, his grandfather, his uncles and aunts and all his little cousins, who he will may well grow up hardly knowing. Harry and Meghans gain (if that is what it turns out to be) will be Archies loss.

[Twosugars]

Good points, rusticgal.
I think its very sad that Archie is being denied his heritage, and being taken away from his great grandfather and great grandmother, his grandfather, his uncles and aunts and all his little cousins, who he will may well grow up hardly knowing. Harry and Meghans gain (if that is what it turns out to be) will be Archies loss.

Ridiculous and hysterical.
They will be visiting.

[thesheriff443]

Ridiculous and hysterical.
They will be visiting.

Will they, rang to tell you did they.

[Twosugars]

Will they, rang to tell you did they.

They kept the cottage for that very reason.
Not to mention they said so.
Keep up :laugh:

[jet]

Diana, a daughter of an earl so born and bred aristocrat, couldn't cope with the gossipy and backstabbing royal household. Why Meghan at 36, coming from different country, should be expected to put up with it?

Diana put up with it for years and years before she cracked.
I have never heard of Meghan getting backstabbed by the royal household though, what happened there? Tell all!

[Cherie]

It's just a shame as Harry appears to have had these feelings for a while that he didn't step back and go away and get married without any fuss, all the rowing back came after the wedding, I think they would have gained a lot more respect if they laid their cards on the table from the off

[Twosugars]

Diana put up with it for years and years before she cracked.
I have never heard of Meghan getting backstabbed by the royal household though, what happened there? Tell all!

All this gossip your "respected royal correspondents" rely on to write hateful pieces in the Daily Hail :laugh:

[Twosugars]

It's just a shame as Harry appears to have had these feelings for a while that he didn't step back and go away and get married without any fuss, all the rowing back came after the wedding, I think they would have gained a lot more respect if they laid their cards on the table from the off

Life doesn't work like that.

And Harry has enough respect as it is.

[jet]

Will they, rang to tell you did they.

:joker:

[Beso]

Yeah, starving herself and throwing herself down a flight of stairs are the actions of a comfortable woman.

You can't blame being a member of the royal family for being bulimic..That's a disease!

[Beso]

Good points, rusticgal.
I think its very sad that Archie is being denied his heritage, and being taken away from his great grandfather and great grandmother, his grandfather, his uncles and aunts and all his little cousins, who he will may well grow up hardly knowing. Harry and Meghans gain (if that is what it turns out to be) will be Archies loss.



Kids are usually the ones grabbing the ****ty end off a stick, in these circumstances.

[thesheriff443]

They kept the cottage for that very reason.
Not to mention they said so.
Keep up :laugh:

Staff at the cottage have been sacked, the queen made them pay back the 2.4 million that was spent on it funded by the tax payer because they won’t be living in it.

The only time you will see Harry back is for a funeral.

[Beso]

They kept the cottage for that very reason.
Not to mention they said so.
Keep up :laugh:

Kept it did they?

So they can give up hrh...but have first dibs on all the stuff that comes with it when it's future is decided. .

How privileged of them.

[rusticgal]

Diana, a daughter of an earl so born and bred aristocrat, couldn't cope with the gossipy and backstabbing royal household. Why Meghan at 36, coming from different country, should be expected to put up with it?


....no she couldn’t cope with her husbands blatant affair whilst in the public eye and trying to raise two young princes in the best way possible.

[Beso]

....no she couldn’t cope with her husbands blatant affair whilst in the public eye and trying to raise two young princes in the best way possible.

Which she did...very very well...she will be turning in her grave at all this...makes you wonder why daddy hasn't said anything in the news.

[Zizu]

Oh, not at all, no criticism towards Di.



An example of how she didn't exactly cope well under the strains of Royal life, which included her tumultuous marriage. I doubt many people would cope well under that pressure.



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[Twosugars]

Staff at the cottage have been sacked, the queen made them pay back the 2.4 million that was spent on it funded by the tax payer because they won’t be living in it.

The only time you will see Harry back is for a funeral.

I read that staff have been reassigned

[Twosugars]

Which she did...very very well...she will be turning in her grave at all this...makes you wonder why daddy hasn't said anything in the news.

I'd imagine she would be very proud of Harry and Meghan for escaping the viciousness.

[Cherie]

I'd imagine she would be very proud of Harry and Meghan for escaping the viciousness.

I have seen more viciousness written about Will and his alleged affair, don't see you complaining about that?

[Marsh.]

Archie will not grow up not knowing his family. The Royals love their private jets. :hee:

[Cherie]

Archie will not grow up not knowing his family. The Royals love their private jets. :hee:

Don't they just, ...don't you go on hols though by plane :fist:

[Marsh.]

You can't blame being a member of the royal family for being bulimic..That's a disease!

Yes it is a disease. You don't think psychological and emotional stress can play a part in it? It doesn't just spring out of nowhere like a cold.

[Marsh.]

Don't they just, ...don't you go on hols though by plane :fist:

Time to buy that caravan in Skegness.

[Twosugars]

I have seen more viciousness written about Will and his alleged affair, don't see you complaining about that?

Stay on topic fgs

I haven't seen a single piece about that. But then I dont read tabloid rags

[Glenn.]

Which she did...very very well...she will be turning in her grave at all this...makes you wonder why daddy hasn't said anything in the news.

Pretty sure should would be championing it

[thesheriff443]

Stay on topic fgs

I haven't seen a single piece about that. But then I dont read tabloid rags

You and marsh don’t read the papers, just each other’s minds.

[Cherie]

Stay on topic fgs

I haven't seen a single piece about that. But then I dont read tabloid rags

Really? Not seen it in any rag, it’s been mentioned a few times on TiBB, surprised you missed it

[LukeB]

this happened two weeks ago and people are still bothered by this? their impact :love: but seriously aren't you haters bored yet?

Not many were this bothered with Prince Andrew for this long.

[Beso]

this happened two weeks ago and people are still bothered by this? their impact :love: but seriously aren't you haters bored yet?

Not many were this bothered with Prince Andrew for this long.

Pretty sure should would be championing it



She would be championing all this turmoil for archie, after seeing what it's done to her son...I doubt it.

[Beso]

Yes it is a disease. You don't think psychological and emotional stress can play a part in it? It doesn't just spring out of nowhere like a cold.

I know it does.


Is it on the rise in the youth?

[thesheriff443]

this happened two weeks ago and people are still bothered by this? their impact :love: but seriously aren't you haters bored yet?

Not many were this bothered with Prince Andrew for this long.

It’s been two weeks and you are still bothered enough to post in this thread.

Hating on the haters that makes you a hypocrite.

[Twosugars]

She would be championing all this turmoil for archie, after seeing what it's done to her son...I doubt it.

What turmoil? Being with his loving parents? That turmoil?
Listen to yourself

[Twosugars]

Really? Not seen it in any rag, it’s been mentioned a few times on TiBB, surprised you missed it

I heard about it here.
But you refer to viciousness. Are the rumours true or not?
If it's true then Wills should put it back in his trousers bc Kate doesn't deserve to be treated like that.

[Beso]

What turmoil? Being with his loving parents? That turmoil?
Listen to yourself

She wouldn't know love if it slapped her in he face, allowing her husband to belittle her father and mother on national radio. After the love they gave her..for him to go on radio and say "she will now have the family she never had"

Sorry, the pair of them don't sound very loving to me.

[LukeB]

It’s been two weeks and you are still bothered enough to post in this thread.

Hating on the haters that makes you a hypocrite.

I'm not really hating though am i? I just think people need to give it a rest and get over it! :skull:

[Elliot]

Icon Meghan ha impact

[AnnieK]

It is actually boring now. How many families actually live counties if not countries apart? Anyone ever bat an eyelid? People saying yeah but his grandads on his deathbed....and? Will that change if Harry came home? They are not a nuclear family who are forever in and out of each other's homes...charles didn't meet his grandchildren until days or weeks after their births....william doesnt pop in for a brew with his nan....we are all judging them on our family realities.....its miles away from theirs, where appointments have to be made to see mothers, uncles grandparents.

They have made their choice, I hope they can live ot

[Glenn.]

They can’t because people think they own them

[jet]

She wouldn't know love if it slapped her in he face, allowing her husband to belittle her father and mother on national radio. After the love they gave her..for him to go on radio and say "she will now have the family she never had"

Sorry, the pair of them don't sound very loving to me.

:clap1:

[Tom4784]

Obsessive hatred is ****ing bizarre.

[jet]

Thomas Markle C5 documentary interview was shown tonight.
Twitter posts.

https://twitter.com/superscuba83/status/1220093656838918146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-11346646651311279421.ampproject.net%2F191218004656 0%2Fframe.html

Anyone see it? I have it recorded.

[arista]

Thomas Markle C5 documentary interview tonight.
Twitter posts.

https://twitter.com/superscuba83/status/1220093656838918146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-11346646651311279421.ampproject.net%2F191218004656 0%2Fframe.html

Anyone see it? I have it recorded.


No
seen clips
nothing new
by doing this New Viacom/Ch5 Docu
I think he may never see his Grandchild.

[jet]

No
seen clips
nothing new
by doing this New Viacom/Ch5 Docu
I think he may never see his Grandchild.

I think he would never see his grandchild even if he never said another word until his dying day Arista.

[Glenn.]

I think he would never see his grandchild even if he never said another word until his dying day Arista.

Fathers out for whatever they can get can do that to themselves. It’s a shame really.

[rusticgal]

Well none of us know what the fallout has been between Meghan and her family...will we ever know?
It’s just bizarre that the only support she has is from her mother...the rest of her family seem to have a problem with her. Maybe jealousy...maybe that her fame and fortune took her to a different level and she shunned her ‘common’ family?
These things do happen....maybe everything will come out in the wash.

[thesheriff443]

Obsessive hatred is ****ing bizarre.

People are entitled to their opinion!.

If you are referring to members on tibb, there are as many positive posts as there are negative ones, so are we all obsessed or just the negative ones?

History and people are being discussed centuries later.

There has only ever to my knowledge been one other senior member of the royal family, a king, who has walked away from the royal family when a woman was involved so it will be discussed.

You are not going shut people down because you don’t agree with what’s being said dezzy.

[Tom4784]

People are entitled to their opinion!.

If you are referring to members on tibb, there are as many positive posts as there are negative ones, so are we all obsessed or just the negative ones?

History and people are being discussed centuries later.

There has only ever to my knowledge been one other senior member of the royal family, a king, who has walked away from the royal family when a woman was involved so it will be discussed.

You are not going shut people down because you don’t agree with what’s being said dezzy.

Who's shutting who down?

I just stated an opinion, it's a two way street, Sheriff. You can't just devalue what I'm saying by trying and failing to stuff words down my throat and make out that I'm shutting people down by sharing my goddamn view.

[Ammi]

It is actually boring now. How many families actually live counties if not countries apart? Anyone ever bat an eyelid? People saying yeah but his grandads on his deathbed....and? Will that change if Harry came home? They are not a nuclear family who are forever in and out of each other's homes...charles didn't meet his grandchildren until days or weeks after their births....william doesnt pop in for a brew with his nan....we are all judging them on our family realities.....its miles away from theirs, where appointments have to be made to see mothers, uncles grandparents.

They have made their choice, I hope they can live ot

...yeah, I just wish them both great happiness now, Annie...there isn’t really anything else to say...they’ve made their decision and I hope that it works for them and gives them both and their son, what they’re hoping for...:love:...

[thesheriff443]

Who's shutting who down?

I just stated an opinion, it's a two way street, Sheriff. You can't just devalue what I'm saying by trying and failing to stuff words down my throat and make out that I'm shutting people down by sharing my goddamn view.

So calling members obsessed haters is fine because it’s your opinion, the opposite is obsessed lovers.

Let me put you straight, members are not obsessed and they are not haters!

They have a negative opinion on Megan and Harry and are giving their opinion in a thread that being discussed at various stages because members are continuing to discuss all aspects that include the couples lives and what impact that had on them leading up to their decision to leave the royal family and the uk

The topic of Theo’s thread is not members but Harry and Megan.

[Ammi]

...to be fair, though...what was said was that obsessive hatred was bizarre ...no attachment to any member was ever made, it was a general statement...

[Cherie]

I heard about it here.
But you refer to viciousness. Are the rumours true or not?
If it's true then Wills should put it back in his trousers bc Kate doesn't deserve to be treated like that.

It’s a vicious unconfirmed rumour as far as I am aware, your response is interesting though especially the bolded section, looks like you have made up your mind

[Ammi]

...but TwoSugars was only stating why he hasn’t commented on it, because of a previous post to him..:laugh:..it’s because TiBB is the only place he’s seen it, so it’s not something he would comment on...as many wouldn’t, that’s understandable...and then he said ‘if it’s true’, if that’s what’s being posed to him as a hypothetical, if you like...then he would think very poorly of William because she wouldn’t deserve it...it seems a logical thing to say of the hypothetical that atm is for him just a ‘forum rumour’../..type thing...

[Marsh.]

You and marsh don’t read the papers, just each other’s minds.

Put the papers down and get an opinion of your own.

[Marsh.]

I know it does.

Good.

[Cherie]

...but TwoSugars was only stating why he hasn’t commented on it, because of a previous post to him..:laugh:..it’s because TiBB is the only place he’s seen it, so it’s not something he would comment on...as many wouldn’t, that’s understandable...and then he said ‘if it’s true’, if that’s what’s being posed to him as a hypothetical, if you like...then he would think very poorly of William because she wouldn’t deserve it...it seems a logical thing to say of the hypothetical that atm is for him just a ‘forum rumour’../..type thing...

surely a vicious rumour is vicious wherever it is posted, is TiBB immune or something?

[Cherie]

...to be fair, though...what was said was that obsessive hatred was bizarre ...no attachment to any member was ever made, it was a general statement...

personal posts were removed yesterday with people attaching the same words to members

[Ammi]

...well it wasn’t really a ‘rumour’ actually, my bad...it was obviously something posted on the forum, which has no substance or foundation to form any sort of discussion...so I completely understand why it wouldn’t be commented on...I don’t believe that I commented on it either...but I believe I saw some such post or posts...’immunity’ has no bearing on it...

[thesheriff443]

...to be fair, though...what was said was that obsessive hatred was bizarre ...no attachment to any member was ever made, it was a general statement...

I see you are taking on the role of dezzy’s and two sugars public relations officer.

Dezzy never denied it was not aimed at members on here.

I see you have also taken up not quoting a percific member, so you don’t get pulled up on it, just another general observation.

Obsessed hatful and irattional have all been used on here to try and discredit a members opinion.

[Cherie]

...well it wasn’t really a ‘rumour’ actually, my bad...it was obviously something posted on the forum, which has no substance or foundation to form any sort of discussion...so I completely understand why it wouldn’t be commented on...I don’t believe that I commented on it either...but I believe I saw some such post or posts...’immunity’ has no bearing on it...

Why not comment on it and call it vicious? that's not a negative thing is it?, if you are going to call comments about Meghan and Harry vicious, at least be consistent

[Ammi]

personal posts were removed yesterday with people attaching the same words to members

...I don’t know about post removal tbh...but if some were removed then referring to them in any way seems is a bit counterproductive and also aggravating...a removal is an end...not a beginning or a continuation.../..I must go, I’m late...so I’ll leave that as that as that etc...

[bots]

For goodness sake, distance is just not an issue to families anymore. If people want to stay in touch and involved, they will. Families can live around the corner from each other and never get involved with each other. If both sides want to stay in touch, they will

[Ammi]

Why not comment on it and call it vicious? that's not a negative thing is it?, if you are going to call comments about Meghan and Harry vicious, at least be consistent

...he wasn’t inconsistent by not commenting on something that has no substance ....I really must go, sorry...

[Ammi]

...sheriff, Im not addressing your remarks because for me, they don’t have any substance either ...but I do respect and acknowledge, that’s your opinion of me ...and that’s cool...

[Cherie]

...I don’t know about post removal tbh...but if some were removed then referring to them in any way seems is a bit counterproductive and also aggravating...a removal is an end...not a beginning or a continuation.../..I must go, I’m late...so I’ll leave that as that as that etc...

see you later Ammi, I am off too

[Cherie]

...he wasn’t inconsistent by not commenting on something that has no substance ....I really must go, sorry...

we shall agree to disagree on that one :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

...sheriff, Im not addressing your remarks because for me, they don’t have any substance either ...but I do respect and acknowledge, that’s your opinion of me ...and that’s cool...

It’s an observation.

Have a great day ammi.

[Kazanne]

So calling members obsessed haters is fine because it’s your opinion, the opposite is obsessed lovers.

Let me put you straight, members are not obsessed and they are not haters!

They have a negative opinion on Megan and Harry and are giving their opinion in a thread that being discussed at various stages because members are continuing to discuss all aspects that include the couples lives and what impact that had on them leading up to their decision to leave the royal family and the uk

The topic of Theo’s thread is not members but Harry and Megan.

:clap1::clap1:i don't know why people automatically think some people 'hate' them simply because they have done and said certain things that people want to comment on , the word 'hate' should be kept for those that deserve it , not thrown around willy nilly because some people don't adore the people some like. It's a forum for ALL to give their opinions.

[Marsh.]

Similarly, defending them against ludicrous and unfounded accusations is not adoration. So whilst you're lecturing on word useage, mind your own.

[Beso]

I don't get how all this press stuff is slated for being against Meghan. ..if you think about it most of it is a slur on her parents and her upbringing..her poor father, he's the one suffering in all this

[Nicky91]

I don't get how all this press stuff is slated for being against Meghan. ..if you think about it most of it is a slur on her parents and her upbringing..her poor father, he's the one suffering in all this

''suffering'' how

:umm2:

[rusticgal]

''suffering'' how

:umm2:


Well his relationship with his daughter has broken down and until we know the reasons why he may well be suffering...if it is not of his doing.

[Beso]

''suffering'' how

:umm2:

He's been disowned by his daughter because of snobbery.

[thesheriff443]

Similarly, defending them against ludicrous and unfounded accusations is not adoration. So whilst you're lecturing on word useage, mind your own.

Who is directed at? Or just another general post to the masses.

[thesheriff443]

Some people love ice cream, but dislike some flavours.

It’s as simple as that.

[Marsh.]

Who is directed at? Or just another general post to the masses.

The post that it follows.

You'd know that if you were reading the thread chronologically and not just getting huffy with certain forum members. All of my posts tend to be in response to someone, so this "to the masses" comment makes no sense unless you have me confused with someone else.

Have a nice day.

[Marsh.]

Some people love ice cream, but dislike some flavours.

It’s as simple as that.

Which is fair enough.

But there's a difference between simply not liking the look/the sound/the demeanour of someone and coming out with wild accusations to explain your dislike. The latter happens a lot with Harry and Meghan.

[thesheriff443]

The post that it follows.

You'd know that if you were reading the thread chronologically and not just getting huffy with certain forum members. All of my posts tend to be in response to someone, so this "to the masses" comment makes no sense unless you have me confused with someone else.

Have a nice day.

I’d say take away members names and you Glenn dezzy and two sugars are all using the same words to the same people.

Your making another mistake to think I’m getting huffy, people on have been told when they push my button.

[Marsh.]

I’d say take away members names and you Glenn dezzy and two sugars are all using the same words to the same people.

Your making another mistake to think I’m getting huffy, people on have been told when they push my button.

I don't know what on earth you're talking about tbh.

Have a nice day.

[thesheriff443]

Which is fair enough.

But there's a difference between simply not liking the look/the sound/the demeanour of someone and coming out with wild accusations to explain your dislike. The latter happens a lot with Harry and Meghan.

What one person likes in a person is different to what another person likes.

A wild accusation is accusing someone of being obsessed hateful and irrational.

People that like them know the same about them as those that dislike them.

Any persons opinion on them is based on what they have seen heard or read.

[Marsh.]

What one person likes in a person is different to what another person likes.

A wild accusation is accusing someone of being obsessed hateful and irrational.

People that like them know the same about them as those that dislike them.

Any persons opinion on them is based on what they have seen heard or read.

An irrational view is an irrational view. That's a debate that ended pages ago. No idea why you wish to rake it up again when the points on both sides are there for you to read.

Not going through it again just because you've decided you've taken exception to a list of usernames you don't like.

[thesheriff443]

An irrational view is an irrational view. That's a debate that ended pages ago. No idea why you wish to rake it up again when the points on both sides are there for you to read.

Not going through it again just because you've decided you've taken exception to a list of usernames you don't like.

Don’t like, hate is word of choice on tibb at the moment.

Yes we have all moved on, yippee.

[Marsh.]

Don’t like, hate is word of choice on tibb at the moment.

Yes we have all moved on, yippee.

I haven't used the word "hate" in the post you're responding to. Save the lecture for someone who cares.

[Livia]

Knock it off you two... or I'll come over there...

[Tom4784]

So calling members obsessed haters is fine because it’s your opinion, the opposite is obsessed lovers.

Let me put you straight, members are not obsessed and they are not haters!

They have a negative opinion on Megan and Harry and are giving their opinion in a thread that being discussed at various stages because members are continuing to discuss all aspects that include the couples lives and what impact that had on them leading up to their decision to leave the royal family and the uk

The topic of Theo’s thread is not members but Harry and Megan.

Sheriff, point out where I mentioned anything about any other members. You're trying to stuff words down my throat again.

[thesheriff443]

Sheriff, point out where I mentioned anything about any other members. You're trying to stuff words down my throat again.

Dezzy I’m not trying to stuff anything down you throat.

Are just shouting at the tv only on tibb with, obsessed hatred is effing bizarre?

One question, do you think any one on tibb is an obbsessed hate filled member or is it just members of the press and public.

[Niamh.]

Closing this as you all can't seem to stop discussing each other rather than the topic. Someone can start a new one if and when something new happens with this story