USA : President Joe Biden 3rd Nov 2020

[The Slim Reaper]

Tantrums about what?

Sleepy Joe just says false information. That's so much better innit?

What false information is sleepy Joe peddling?

[Tom4784]

Tantrums about what?

Sleepy Joe just says false information. That's so much better innit?

Have you not been paying attention for the past four years? He throws a tantrum every few days, the latest being when he was interviewed in 60 Minutes and he couldn't answer the softest of questions without blowing up. He's a child.

Also what false information? And why are you ignoring the fact that Trump has spread endless false information throughout his four years of president, often to dangerous effect?

Let's be honest here, you're supporting Trump because most people on here are not, it's painfully clear that you don't really know anything about him since you're just spouting generic lines that don't hold water and are icnredibly hypocritical.

Try knowing at least the basics about a candidate before you decide to support them.

[Shaun]

Let's be honest here, you're supporting Trump because most people on here are not, it's painfully clear that you don't really know anything about him since you're just spouting generic lines that don't hold water and are icnredibly hypocritical.

I don't remember ordering tea

[Oliver_W]

Tantrums about what?

Sleepy Joe just says false information. That's so much better innit?

He's a politician, peddling false information and/or misrepresenting facts is a given. If you're gonna dislike Biden at least pic a reason which doesn't apply to every politician ever.

[arista]

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Well done Love,
getting out there in Trump Land
good Team backing you.

[bots]

i cant stand her

[arista]

i cant stand her


Thats alright

[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[bots]

she used to work for CNN :hee:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElWYWy1W0AE7kxr?format=jpg&name=900x900


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElWYWzAXUAMFENa?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElWYWy3XUAIjs8w?format=jpg&name=small

[Tom4784]

If she has her way, the US will become Gilead.

[Brother Leon]

Always been fairly confident Trump’s days are numbered, but it grows further every day.

Florida staying Trump May make things squeaky for a while during Election Day, but even then it should be fine. Florida changing and May aswell go to sleep early as it’s a wrap.

[arista]

Trump campaign website hacked

https://news.sky.com/story/this-site-was-seized-trump-campaign-website-hacked-12116590

[There was no clue to the identity of the hacker(s).
The message spoke of access
to "Trump and relatives" and of "classified information"
that the "trump-gov is involved in
the origin of the corona virus".]

[Glenn.]

Have you not been paying attention for the past four years? He throws a tantrum every few days, the latest being when he was interviewed in 60 Minutes and he couldn't answer the softest of questions without blowing up. He's a child.

Also what false information? And why are you ignoring the fact that Trump has spread endless false information throughout his four years of president, often to dangerous effect?

Let's be honest here, you're supporting Trump because most people on here are not, it's painfully clear that you don't really know anything about him since you're just spouting generic lines that don't hold water and are icnredibly hypocritical.

Try knowing at least the basics about a candidate before you decide to support them.

:clap1:

[Tom4784]

Always been fairly confident Trump’s days are numbered, but it grows further every day.

Florida staying Trump May make things squeaky for a while during Election Day, but even then it should be fine. Florida changing and May aswell go to sleep early as it’s a wrap.

I can't allow myself to think like that until it becomes a reality. There's so much interference and intimidation going on, I still think Trump will literally steal the election.

[UserSince2005]

Trump has to win, what would this world be without him on the news everyday? a living legend.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

SDcXAhI8Gw0


And
later on


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A longer clip of Nigel Farage
https://news.sky.com/video/farage-is-back-as-trumps-warm-up-man-12117456

[Ammi]

....the male needs to get back to work while the female does female stuff, looking after and caring for the lovely male...


As President Donald Trump pleaded for the support of suburban women at a Michigan rally Tuesday evening (amidst a pandemic and economic crisis that have caused a mass exodus of women from the workforce), he argued that he deserved their votes because "we're getting your husbands back to work." The implications here -- that he believes all women have or should have husbands and that workplaces are the province of men -- are so sexist and outmoded that they will likely alarm American women who have long become accustomed to inappropriate treatment from their commander in chief.



...the full 1951 sexist rubbish article...

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/28/opinions/trump-husband-remarks-will-alienate-suburban-women-alaimo/index.html

[bots]

he really knows how to get votes ... he told a rally that there was no way he would normally be there, he just needed their votes :laugh:

[bots]

Prepare the sick bucket before watching

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[Denver]

Always been fairly confident Trump’s days are numbered, but it grows further every day.

Florida staying Trump May make things squeaky for a while during Election Day, but even then it should be fine. Florida changing and May aswell go to sleep early as it’s a wrap.
Im feeling confident aswell but im not a fan of the American system where the popular vote doesn't actually get you the win, we need Biden to snatch Florida

[Liam-]

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I sure do love hearing right wingers whinge about big tech left bias

[Denver]

Trump supporters are claiming Ronda Rousey was arrested in an attack on celebs who don't support Trump but why they failed to realise it was an Angle set up by WWE and not real

[Liam-]

Trump supporters are claiming Ronda Rousey was arrested in an attack on celebs who don't support Trump but why they failed to realise it was an Angle set up by WWE and not real

Well they’re not known for being the smartest people

[The Slim Reaper]

:joker:

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[Mitchell]

Well they’re not known for being the smartest people

:joker::joker::joker:

[Liam-]

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He’s mentally unstable

[Denver]

Making fun of mental health is really quite awful

Hasn't that what you, trump and all his supporters done to Biden for months?

[Denver]

By keep saying he is demented

[arista]

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[Ammi]

...the other wall...the wall of lies in Manhattan which is dedicated to the Donald...over 20,000 lies from his unmasked lips that have apparently been verified and checked to be falsehoods etc...all colour coded and a colour key there to show what each colour represents...is it a healthcare lie, is it a trade lie, is it a Russia lie or an economy lie etc...anyway, the wall that Trump didn’t build because he was too busy doing the lying...


https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/wall-of-lies-donald-trump-radio-free-brooklyn-2-5f993a10f1e2a__700.jpg

[Ammi]

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/wall-of-lies-donald-trump-radio-free-brooklyn-1-5f993a0edd40a__700.jpg

[bots]

even though the election is on Tuesday, even if Biden wins, it's going to be grim in America for months yet

[Nicky91]

Biden: i'm not gonna shutdown the economy, i'm not gonna shutdown the nation, i'm gonna shutdown this virus

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Oliver_W]

Awesome, everyone who's eligible to vote should always do so.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Elk0Z88WMAEJtW7?format=jpg&name=360x360

[Tom4784]

even though the election is on Tuesday, even if Biden wins, it's going to be grim in America for months yet

If Biden wins, Trump will go ballistic for these next few months. The Senate and Congress really need to prepare to limit his power until January, if they can.

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

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Mr anti Europe is on the move. My God trump was right this man is powerful... look at how facism has exploded since he rocked up.

[Oliver_W]

look at how facism has exploded since he rocked up.

Has it? Where? How?

[Ammi]

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[Smithy]

An important message from lady gaga :hee:

https://twitter.com/ladygaga/status/1322209256611852294?s=21

[Ammi]

An important message from lady gaga :hee:

https://twitter.com/ladygaga/status/1322209256611852294?s=21

...I just watched it from your GaGa thread...:love:...her voice will be heard...

[arista]

Tom Newton Dunn reporting from America
on Times Radio DAB.

Just said so many more are buying Guns.

Walmart has removed them from
the Plastic sealed displays
but is still selling them.

[Denver]

If Biden wins, Trump will go ballistic for these next few months. The Senate and Congress really need to prepare to limit his power until January, if they can.

Im sure on Question time the woman from America said that Nancy Pelosi takes charge from Tuesday until the official election date

[Denver]

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He needs to be given a ban from returning to the UK for a while, he goes to these rallies unmasked upclose to thousands and will come back to the UK and refuse to Quarantine or wear a mask and will infect so many

[Denver]

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In other words, we don't care about the poor people or the high number of ethnic minority deaths aslong as the rich stay strong and keep getting richer

[Kate!]

If Biden wins, Trump will go ballistic for these next few months. The Senate and Congress really need to prepare to limit his power until January, if they can.

Proving once more what an odious and vindictive man Trump really is.

[Liam-]

Im sure on Question time the woman from America said that Nancy Pelosi takes charge from Tuesday until the official election date

She would be wrong, if he loses, Trump is still president until January

[Denver]

She would be wrong, if he loses, Trump is still president until January

I could be wrong as it was on in the background but I hear Nancy Pelosi takes charge from Tuesday but I could of misheard or missed part if it

[Ammi]

...when Trump won, it was always said not to be a vote for Trump but a vote against establishment, which is what Hilary represented...and the irony for Trump if Biden wins because I doubt it’ll be a vote for Biden so much as a vote against Trump.../...irony...

[Denver]

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Now he is blaming nurses for Covid deaths

[Denver]

Also ICE has been prepared to attack protests if Trump is reelected, so now he wants anyone who is against him deported

[Denver]

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This poll has Biden winning with a majority of 279 votes, baring any last minute meltdown that Hilary had then he should win

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump wont win the popular vote that is for sure

[Denver]

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[utopianman]

The covid figures in america have surely put an end to trumps reign, the other issues looks trivial compared to nearly quarter of a million deaths...In fairness to the man everyone seems to hate, the US economy has been booking and the stock market. But the covid situation is the final nail in the coffin.

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Trump wont win the popular vote that is for sure

it isn't about the popular vote anyway

[joeysteele]

It is a dire choice.
If I was American, I'd be voting for Biden.

However this does have similar comparisons to 2016.
A lot of States with a few percentage points between them.
The popular vote, Biden seeming to be a bit further ahead than Clinton was.

She got around 3 million more votes than Trump yet he won enough States some narrowly.

I think it would be good for the USA and other areas of the World if Trump loses.
However, I still think it could be that Trump pulls this off again.
Although I really hope not.

Normally, I'm not that bothered who won as President.
After this last near 4 years however, Trump doesn't warrant a second term.
Not that in my view he warranted a first term either.

[Oliver_W]

it isn't about the popular vote anyway

Well no, the USA's voting system means that the decision isn't made by the overpopulated states for everyone else. But whatever the system is, him not winning the popular vote means most of the country wouldn't want him to win :shrug:

[bots]

I think at this point Trump knows he has lost so he will now push the narrative of voter fraud and that no votes should be counted after polling day (because mail in and early voting is counted last and they are mainly dem votes) He will then basically be pushing for civil war. That is my take for what will happen next week

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Elk10NcU0AEb0Pg?format=jpg&name=900x900

[The Slim Reaper]

Well no, the USA's voting system means that the decision isn't made by the overpopulated states for everyone else. But whatever the system is, him not winning the popular vote means most of the country wouldn't want him to win :shrug:

Weird way of framing it. Overpopulated states?

California has 2 senators to represent 40m people.

There are 2 senators to represent south dakota and 900,000 people

There are also 2 senators to represent north dakota and just under 900,000 people.

So dakota gets 4 senators to represent 1.8 million people, and california gets 2 for 40m people. The issue in the US has always been one of too few people having too much power over the many.

[arista]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-results-timing/

A Link giving each state results.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[bots]

This doesn't look like a well man to me

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[Crimson Dynamo]

live trump NOW

SDv477iWQxU

[Liam-]

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Joes ‘basement’ isn’t looking so bad now huh

[utopianman]

cant see the logic of having these big crowds its surely asking for trouble...at least theyre outdoors and give out masks I suppose but its way too risky...The same for the BLM protest marches tens of thousands of people spreading the disease, madness

[Tom4784]

A bunch of armed Trump cultists formed a blockade to prevent Biden from entering Texas by threatening him and his people.

Why do people who like Trump despise democracy so much?

[Liam-]

A bunch of armed Trump cultists formed a blockade to prevent Biden from entering Texas by threatening him and his people.

Why do people who like Trump despise democracy so much?

Because they know if true democracy was in place they’d be well and truly outnumbered and rendered irrelevant and they hate it

[user104658]

This doesn't look like a well man to me

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Allegedly he's been gobbling benzos on the reg for decades so I wouldn't be surprised if he's literally sedated.

[Denver]

Trump is polling behind Biden in 7 of the 8 swing states including big hitter Florida

[arista]

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[utopianman]

The BLM is another soros funded global vehicle designed to disrupt rather than unite

[Ammi]

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/1310535898975498242-png__700.jpg

[Ammi]

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/1310384989524185093-png__700.jpg

[bots]

Trucks with Trump signs and flags surrounded a Biden campaign bus on a Texas highway on Friday and attempted to slow the vehicle down and run it off the road, the Biden campaign said on Saturday.

Several video clips posted on social media by both Biden and Trump supporters showed the trucks surrounding the bus. The trucks then tried to slow the bus down and run it off the road before staff called 911, according to the Biden campaign.

The president himself appeared to endorse the behavior of his supporters, tweeting a video of the incident on Saturday evening along with the comment “I LOVE TEXAS!”

“They’re literally escorting him out of town,” one man says, laughing as he narrates one clip of the incident shared by Trump supporters.


Obama lends a hand as Biden and Trump launch final campaign blitz
Read more
Some of the Trump supporters surrounding the Biden campaign bus were armed, according to Democratic state representative Rafael Anchía and other observers.

While the vice-presidential candidate, Kamala Harris, was campaigning in Texas that day, she not on the bus, a spokesman for a state Democratic representative confirmed.

The incident happened on the I-35 highway in Texas as the bus was traveling from San Antonio to Austin, the Biden campaign said, adding that local law enforcement responded to the campaign’s calls and assisted the bus in reaching its destination.

The campaign did not identify the law enforcement agency.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/31/biden-harris-bus-texas-trump-supporters-highway

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[Oliver_W]

Idiots. People should never block roads. And what kind of idiots would literally try to run a vehicle off the road? Disgusting behaviour.

[arista]

Idiots. People should never block roads. And what kind of idiots would literally try to run a vehicle off the road? Disgusting behaviour.


Its a Tight Election now

[Oliver_W]

Its a Tight Election now

Ah that's all right then.

[arista]

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[bots]

Ah that's all right then.

:joker:

[arista]

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/1310535898975498242-png__700.jpg

Thats Stupid.

[Ammi]

...stupid is as stupid does.../...Donald Trump...

[arista]

...stupid is as stupid does.../...Donald Trump...


No a
9 year old goes to School.

[Ammi]

No a
9 year old goes to School.

...and a billionaire President of the USA pays appropriate and proportionate taxes...the ‘stupid’ is that Donald Trump doesn’t and has paid barely any...that’s what created the ‘stupid’ of the trending of these...stupid is as stupid does is the point, Arista.../..Donald Trump being the creator of stupid, concerning the tax paid trending stuff...

[arista]

The Laws are set what little tax you can pay
in USA and UK.

[Ammi]

...it doesn’t matter what you feel is ‘set’, Arista...a billionaire paying virtually no tax is stupid, it’s stupid however it’s flipped or tossed because it mocks the whole fundamentals of a tax system...which is the whole point of these ‘I have paid more etc’, trending...this ‘stupid’ that you’re acknowledging as stupid doesn’t admit to being anything else or anything other than..it’s pointing out the stupidity of what you don’t appear to be acknowledging...stupid is as stupid does and that stupid is Donald Trump...the stupid that totally out-stupids and mocks with his taxes...

[The Slim Reaper]

The BLM is another soros funded global vehicle designed to disrupt rather than unite

Can you give me some information about Soros and his aims? You seem like you know some things.

[utopianman]

Biden is lucky the news networks have decided to bury the endless accusations against him. He is very touchy feely isnt he?:conf:

[Denver]

Biden is lucky the news networks have decided to bury the endless accusations against him. He is very touchy feely isnt he?:conf:

Nowhere near of Teump who is actually rapey toward young children

[Kizzy]

The BLM is another soros funded global vehicle designed to disrupt rather than unite

You are aware that the right wing attacks on George Soros are considered antisemitic?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.jta.org/2020/09/08/united-states/george-soros-is-a-leading-target-of-anti-semitism-these-jews-openly-criticize-him-anyway/amp

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Tom4784]

The BLM is another soros funded global vehicle designed to disrupt rather than unite

Yeah, you're setting off bot alerts again.

[utopianman]

soros gave BLM £133 million in the first few years alone

[Oliver_W]

Why make it about Soros? Why not talk about how their narrative widens gaps rather than building bridges? Making it about some rich old fart throwing his money around makes it look like you have a tin foil hat.

[The Slim Reaper]

soros gave BLM £133 million in the first few years alone

Do you mind that the Koch brothers throw their money into climate denial, or that adelson funds right wing causes?

[utopianman]

Why make it about Soros? Why not talk about how their narrative widens gaps rather than building bridges? Making it about some rich old fart throwing his money around makes it look like you have a tin foil hat.

Its certainly about spreading violence, looting and covid

[utopianman]

Do you mind that the Koch brothers throw their money into climate denial, or that adelson funds right wing causes?

If they were funding worldwide riots, looting killing and covid duringa pandemic I would be just as vociferous against them. But its Soros and BLM who are doing that

[arista]

If they were funding worldwide riots, looting killing and covid duringa pandemic I would be just as vociferous against them. But its Soros and BLM who are doing that


Yes the BLM are trouble.

[arista]

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[arista]

CNN HD
is going on about Trump will call the Election on the Day.

He will not allow extra days.

[Tom4784]

I pity anyone who is so far down the right wing rabbit hole that they see a civil rights movement against police brutality as a bad thing.

[utopianman]

Yes the BLM are trouble.

whilst I of course agree the original incident was grotesque and looked like murder. I also wish to see these 4 cops go to prison and I wish to see all racists and all racist cops go to prison. I do on the other hand not condone mobs of violent thugs going around the country and the world, smashing up towns, looting businesses, injuring and killing people and spreading this killer virus. Yes I am aware some of this is infiltration from either the left or right or police or troublemakers. etc

But at the end of the day if you have 100s of thousands of these hardline protest marches across the world during a pandemic then all hell is going to break loose, people will get hurt and people will die. I do not believe the best way to move these things forward or solve is to resort to violent angry mobs. Put simply its dangerous and idiotic. I know the bbc wont criticise it as theyre so far left and overly pc they cant even find any balance or report the truth. The BBC are now a dangerous organization that encouraged these marches and failed to criticize the. The bbc also organised the idiotic clap the carer campaign which encouraged thousands onto the streets breaking social distancing and spreading the disease. This was even happenning amongst the nhs staff and police. It was a nice idea but everyone should have clapped at home in their own gardens... ultimately it was totally idiotic and irresponsible.

[bots]

last day of campaigning :party:

[Liam-]

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Democracy!

[Cherie]

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Democracy!

:umm2: I hope we won't be importing any of this shiz, we already have debates which are an American import but at least they keep it civil

[bots]

they blocked a bridge and a free way in and around NY and New Jersey too. Tomorrow is going to be grim

[arista]

they blocked a bridge and a free way in and around NY and New Jersey too. Tomorrow is going to be grim


Yes.

[Liam-]

What I don’t get is, if they’re so confident that their lord and saviour is going to win, why do they feel the need to try and stop people from voting? There are some activists in court in Texas today trying to get 127,000 votes thrown out from a democrat leaning country, it’s abhorrent

[Crimson Dynamo]

DdjYPgr0DEg

[The Slim Reaper]

It's fascism. I know people don't accept that because it's America, but a president openly admitting he's going to try and steal the election while his brown shirts attack people in the streets can only be described in one way.

[bots]

he called the people that tried to force the Biden bus off the road patriots .... as i said before, even if Biden wins, things are going to get very ugly, very quickly over there. I'm glad i'm not doing my usual trip to LA in january

[Nicky91]

no one wearing face masks at trump's rally again :umm2:

[Nicky91]

my mom was pro-trump in 2016, but more for the sensation because he was an outsider to the politics, but now she is very much against trump now, and also is of opinion he has done so many wrong things for America, and also done the wrong things in this coronacrisis

she also sympathizes for Biden, how he lost his first wife, child in a accident, and his son to cancer, and she also likes how he and Obama are very good friends

[The Slim Reaper]

he called the people that tried to force the Biden bus off the road patriots .... as i said before, even if Biden wins, things are going to get very ugly, very quickly over there. I'm glad i'm not doing my usual trip to LA in january

They're already boarding up cities because they know it's going to get violent. He's destroyed norms so much that everyone has just accepted it, when this should be a scandal.

[arista]

They're already boarding up cities because they know it's going to get violent. He's destroyed norms so much that everyone has just accepted it, when this should be a scandal.


Yes Protect the Glass
but the Petrol chucked on the Wood
FIRE


Civil War.
Again.

[The Slim Reaper]

He can't even feign empathy.

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[utopianman]

he called the people that tried to force the Biden bus off the road patriots .... as i said before, even if Biden wins, things are going to get very ugly, very quickly over there. I'm glad i'm not doing my usual trip to LA in january

Lets hope its nowhere near as bad as the BLM protest marches spreading covid and violence

[utopianman]

my mom was pro-trump in 2016, but more for the sensation because he was an outsider to the politics, but now she is very much against trump now, and also is of opinion he has done so many wrong things for America, and also done the wrong things in this coronacrisis

she also sympathizes for Biden, how he lost his first wife, child in a accident, and his son to cancer, and she also likes how he and Obama are very good friends

whilst hes done many bad things and sad some stupid things. I hope you point out to her, in the interests of balance the best US jobs market and stock market in history....Plus no foreign wars have begun thankfully. He has also passed some laws of tightening gun control. Sadly cnn and others barely report on this. Even now after covid the us unemployment is below where it was when trump began. The stock market is also higher despite covid. He did deplore the police who murdered george floyd but also rightly chose not to defund the police.

[Denver]

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Democracy!

Surely this comes under the voting fraud umbrella? By not allowing people the right to vote

[arista]

Surely this comes under the voting fraud umbrella? By not allowing people the right to vote


The Police could also vote for Trump

[bots]

The Police could also vote for Trump

they were out pepper spraying people on their way to vote yesterday

[Nicky91]

whilst hes done many bad things and sad some stupid things. I hope you point out to her, in the interests of balance the best US jobs market and stock market in history....Plus no foreign wars have begun thankfully. He has also passed some laws of tightening gun control. Sadly cnn and others barely report on this. Even now after covid the us unemployment is below where it was when trump began. The stock market is also higher despite covid. He did deplore the police who murdered george floyd but also rightly chose not to defund the police.

benefits to whom, the super rich cause if biden wins they are gonna have to pay more taxes, also under biden the middle class might have a chance of a decent health care system (what trump so rudely abolished back in 2016 just moments after he won, to troll his nemesis Obama probably)

[The Slim Reaper]

benefits to whom, the super rich cause if biden wins they are gonna have to pay more taxes, also under biden the middle class might have a chance of a decent health care system (what trump so rudely abolished back in 2016 just moments after he won, to troll his nemesis Obama probably)

There's a lot of falsehoods in his post. For example, the last 3 years of obama created 1.5 million more jobs than trumps first 3 years. He's basically trying to take credit for Obamas economy, but he's exploded the debt and deficits at the same time, whereas Obama reduced them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

5_4qjXngm34

[Ammi]

...it’s being predicted around a 1 in 10 chance of Trump winning...but that if he lost, he would challenge the result and that would take time as well for the courts to decide and rule.../...it isn’t as black and white and uncomplicated as our system here...

[bots]

...it’s being predicted around a 1 in 10 chance of Trump winning...but that if he lost, he would challenge the result and that would take time as well for the courts to decide and rule.../...it isn’t as black and white and uncomplicated as our system here...

it's also that trump doesn't give up power until january if he loses, so all that time he will create havoc. If there isn't civil war it will be a miracle

[Ammi]

it's also that trump doesn't give up power until january if he loses, so all that time he will create havoc. If there isn't civil war it will be a miracle

One of Trump’s former confidants, Michael Cohen, has suggested that Trump won’t leave. In his congressional testimony before heading to prison, Trump’s former attorney said, “Given my experience working for Mr. Trump, I fear that if he loses the election in 2020, there will never be a peaceful transition of power.”

Ultimately, the key to the peaceful transfer of power is the conduct of the outgoing leader himself. America has thus far been lucky in that regard.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/what-if-he-wont-go/606259/

[arista]

Yes Ammi
Trump can fix it to stay in.

CNN HD can cry

[utopianman]

benefits to whom, the super rich cause if biden wins they are gonna have to pay more taxes, also under biden the middle class might have a chance of a decent health care system (what trump so rudely abolished back in 2016 just moments after he won, to troll his nemesis Obama probably)

Benefits to everyone
wages up way beyond inflation , jobs up to record highs for everyone, ethic minorities too and disabled people, stock markets up that helps pensioners , investors, savers etc

The chip on the shoulder attitude of the left is pathetic and self defeating. they should at least be happy when things go right for the country isntead of complaining for the sake of it.

The jobs market is always worse when the left are in power and the public sector is always left bankrupted. Its then down to the hard work of the silent majority to get us out of the whole the left creates. And its from the wealth and taxes they create and pay that the infrastructure is paid for and the benefits for the sick disabled , plus war veterans and elderly

[utopianman]

There's a lot of falsehoods in his post. For example, the last 3 years of obama created 1.5 million more jobs than trumps first 3 years. He's basically trying to take credit for Obamas economy, but he's exploded the debt and deficits at the same time, whereas Obama reduced them.

falsehoods in what post?

[Tom4784]

Lets hope its nowhere near as bad as the BLM protest marches spreading covid and violence

Imagine being this upset over people protesting against racism and police brutality.

[The Slim Reaper]

falsehoods in what post?

Your post. The post you're replying to points a couple out.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes Ammi
Trump can fix it to stay in.

CNN HD can cry

You can't cheer this on Arista. Going full fascism to own cnn is ridiculous.

[utopianman]

Imagine being this upset over people protesting against racism and police brutality.

The george soros funded violent BLM marches acrosss the globe were run by a bunch of thugs and terrorists....The 14 killings in 2 weeks, including the killing of a black police officer, wheres your outrage about that then ? Or dont these lives count?

100s of business destroying, 100s of people injured, oh and spreading a killer virus during the worst pandemic in a century. Goodness knows how many more died from spreading this disease from the millions of thugs who marches around the world..No doubt many of them took the virus to care homes and killed 100s more innocent old pensioners , their lives matter too?
Oh but thats ok you can smash up the world because of 4 racist cops who are already in jail? insanity

Yes I am upset about all that I am horrified that you are not

[Tom4784]

whilst hes done many bad things and sad some stupid things. I hope you point out to her, in the interests of balance the best US jobs market and stock market in history....Plus no foreign wars have begun thankfully. He has also passed some laws of tightening gun control. Sadly cnn and others barely report on this. Even now after covid the us unemployment is below where it was when trump began. The stock market is also higher despite covid. He did deplore the police who murdered george floyd but also rightly chose not to defund the police.

Can you go one post without hinting at how much you hate black people?

[utopianman]

Your post. The post you're replying to points a couple out.

You are lying. Point out any specific falsehoods in my post?

[Tom4784]

The george soros funded violent BLM marches acrosss the globe were run by a bunch of thugs and terrorists....The 14 killings in 2 weeks, including the killing of a black police officer, wheres your outrage about that then ? Or dont these lives count?

100s of business destroying, 100s of people injured, oh and spreading a killer virus during the worst pandemic in a century. Goodness knows how many more died from spreading this disease from the millions of thugs who marches around the world..No doubt many of them took the virus to care homes and killed 100s more innocent old pensioners , their lives matter too?
Oh but thats ok you can smash up the world because of 4 racist cops who are already in jail? insanity

Yes I am upset about all that I am horrified that you are not

None of this works on me since I possess common sense and I don't live in a Fox News wonderland. Go spout your propaganda to someone gullible enough to believe it.

[The Slim Reaper]

You are lying. Point out any specific falsehoods in my post?

There's a lot of falsehoods in his post. For example, the last 3 years of obama created 1.5 million more jobs than trumps first 3 years. He's basically trying to take credit for Obamas economy, but he's exploded the debt and deficits at the same time, whereas Obama reduced them.

That specific enough for you?

[utopianman]

Can you go one post without hinting at how much you hate black people?

I like black people you are lying. You seem to hate innocent people killed by these thugs marching. and it was white people marching too, so youre making it a race issue not me. Liar. You have no sympathy for the old or the black people or the business owners killed or destroyed by these marches. It is therefore logical to assume you hate black people, old people and you dont give a damn about the business people destroyed either.

[utopianman]

That specific enough for you?

No none of that remotely points to anything I said being false. try again liar.

[Tom4784]

I like black people you are lying. You seem to hate innocent people killed by these thugs marching. and it was white people marching too, so youre making it a race issue not me. Liar. You have no sympathy for the old or the black people or the business owners killed or destroyed by these marches. It is therefore logical to assume you hate black people, old people and you dont give a damn about the business people destroyed either.

Okay, permabanned multi, this doesn't look defensive at all.

[Nicky91]

The george soros funded violent BLM marches acrosss the globe were run by a bunch of thugs and terrorists....The 14 killings in 2 weeks, including the killing of a black police officer, wheres your outrage about that then ? Or dont these lives count?

100s of business destroying, 100s of people injured, oh and spreading a killer virus during the worst pandemic in a century. Goodness knows how many more died from spreading this disease from the millions of thugs who marches around the world..No doubt many of them took the virus to care homes and killed 100s more innocent old pensioners , their lives matter too?
Oh but thats ok you can smash up the world because of 4 racist cops who are already in jail? insanity

Yes I am upset about all that I am horrified that you are not

doesn't Soros also fund climate campaigns, i mean i think i've read something where people suspect him of being onboard Greta Thunberg's team

[utopianman]

Okay, permabanned multi, this doesn't look defensive at all.
wheres your empathy for those killed or destroyed by the rioters?
change the subject talk nonsense because you lost the argument.

[Tom4784]

How many people have been killed by BLM protesters? Give me figures, no bull****, no Fox spin. Tell me, how many people have been killed by BLM protesters.

[The Slim Reaper]

No none of that remotely points to anything I said being false. try again liar.

Enjoy what time you have left.

[utopianman]

Enjoy what time you have left.
change the subject because you lost the argument

[arista]

Okay, permabanned multi, this doesn't look defensive at all.


Yes I wondered who this very new poster really is?

[Tom4784]

change the subject because you lost the argument

Says the guy who can't tell me how many people BLM protesters have killed. Come on, I'm waiting.

[Nicky91]

change the subject because you lost the argument

i've tried finding something about people killed by BLM protesters, only thing what i can find is this article from washington post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/26/almost-none-deaths-linked-recent-protests-are-known-have-been-committed-by-protesters/

[utopianman]

i've tried finding something about people killed by BLM protesters, only thing what i can find is this article from washington post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/26/almost-none-deaths-linked-recent-protests-are-known-have-been-committed-by-protesters/

The left wing media wont report on it
This includes the massive spread of the virus , the black police man killed and who knows how many more
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd _protests

[utopianman]

Says the guy who can't tell me how many people BLM protesters have killed. Come on, I'm waiting.

Look it up yourself, Im waiting

[Tom4784]

Look it up yourself, Im waiting

So you're saying that people are being killed by BLM protesters but you can't prove it?

I'm totally shocked by this, I didn't expect this at all!

[Tom4784]

The left wing media wont report on it
This includes the massive spread of the virus , the black police man killed and who knows how many more
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd _protests

Ah, another person that can't tell the difference between being told what they want to hear, and reality.

Of course, most media aren't reporting on masses of people being killed by BLM protesters, it's some sort of secret only known by those in the know! What are you going to tell me next? The earth is flat? Vaccines are trackers invented by Bill Gates?

[utopianman]

Ah, another person that can't tell the difference between being told what they want to hear, and reality.

Of course, most media aren't reporting on masses of people being killed by BLM protesters, it's some sort of secret only known by those in the know! What are you going to tell me next? The earth is flat? Vaccines are trackers invented by Bill Gates?

Im sure you fall for david icke conspiracy theorists I deal in reality

You cant even read plain english, you have no sympathy for those killed by the BLM thugs nor the mass spreading of the virus either. Thats because youre biased and lack any humany empathy and of course these killings and the violence and spread of the disease which will have also killed many more you dont care because its not part of your narrow biased cruel heartless agenda

[Tom4784]

Im sure you fall for david icke conspiracy theorists I deal in reality

You cant even read plain english, you have no sympathy for those killed by the BLM thugs nor the mass spreading of the virus either. Thats because youre biased and lack any humany empathy and of course these killings and the violence and spread of the disease which will have also killed many more you dont care because its not part of your narrow biased cruel heartless agenda

I don't pay heed to conspiracy theories, only facts. The fact that you can't give me even a rough validated number says it all. I asked you for a number, not a tantrum.

If what you are saying is true, why is it so hard to tell me how many people BLM protesters have killed?

[Crimson Dynamo]

At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020

At least 11 Americans have been killed while participating in political demonstrations this year and another 14 have died in other incidents linked to political unrest, according to new data from a non-profit monitoring political unrest in the United States.

Nine of the people killed during protests were demonstrators taking part in Black Lives Matter protests. Two were conservatives killed after pro-Trump “patriot rallies”. All but one were killed by fellow citizens.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

I doubt many culprits were caught

[Tom4784]

And, as posted by Nicky, the vast majority of deaths that weren't proven to be by the hands of the Right Wing are either unrelated or unproven.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/26/almost-none-deaths-linked-recent-protests-are-known-have-been-committed-by-protesters/

[Denver]

wheres your empathy for those killed or destroyed by the rioters?
change the subject talk nonsense because you lost the argument.

Let's not forget the man who murdered a young lad on the street and got away with it because he knows Trump and Trump is a big investor in the terrorist group he is part off

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/02/21/35166712-0-image-m-17_1604354366872.jpg

[Smithy]

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1323363389482192898?s=21

This is such a scream a DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION

[Tom4784]

Famous anti-fracking icon Lady Gaga :clap1:

When will Greta?

[bots]

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[Ammi]

..:laugh:...the way he says Lady Gaaaa Gaaaaa and keeps repeating it so annoying...

....Queen of everyone having stories to tell about her...:lovedup:...

[Ammi]

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...packin’ yo frackin’....you got the sackin’....

[arista]

Trump is Live in Michigan
on Arisenews ch

519 number on Sky.


Every place
he plays on a Big screen
the mess up's of Sleepy Joe.

Like when Biden had a Nasty go at the Blacks.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/DailyMail/status/1323594541111431168

[bots]

this is the official winning tweet of the whole campaign :laugh:

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[Liam-]

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The cult strikes again

[The Slim Reaper]

1323305624214642693

The cult strikes again

If the US doesn't halt this tonight, then expect boris/farage brownshirts to also start appearing on our streets.

[Nicky91]

those trump supporters in that video well you can definitely see what sort of people they are :skull:

[The Slim Reaper]

those trump supporters in that video well you can definitely see what sort of people they are :skull:

Well yeah, the n-word at around 40-45 seconds is the giveaway.

[Nicky91]

Well yeah, the n-word at around 40-45 seconds is the giveaway.

also blocking people from voting, it is kinda rude since everyone should have that right to vote, and the hypocrisy from trump supporters wanting to cheat after their messiah Donnie had yet said he wants a fair election

[Oliver_W]

this is the official winning tweet of the whole campaign :laugh:

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Cba to watch the clip as I don't care for either and it's been transcribed anyway but the only impression that woman's ever left on me is that she looks like an ant from Antz

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/antz/images/d/d1/Princess_Bala.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20170427003453

[Crimson Dynamo]

scUrBuvhOQA

[Liam-]

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[Liam-]

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Fox News in tatters

[Jack_]

Where are we discussing the results?

Lol it genuinely makes me laugh out loud when Americans (well, Republicans) talk of “socialism” and wax lyrical about how awful it would be, as if that is on the ballot in this election or likely any US election ever for that matter :joker:

It just goes to show how far the Overton window is to the right in the States

[lewis111]

NYT predicting 3.5 point win for Trump in Florida with just over 50% of votes in now

[lewis111]

And just as I sent that it went down to 2.5

[arista]

where are we discussing the results?

Lol it genuinely makes me laugh out loud when americans (well, republicans) talk of “socialism” and wax lyrical about how awful it would be, as if that is on the ballot in this election or likely any us election ever for that matter :joker:

It just goes to show how far the overton window is to the right in the states



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[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/FE9D/production/_115218156_telegraph-nc.png

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/125AD/production/_115218157_times-nc.png

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/B465/production/_115218164_star-nc.png

[Gstar]

I think Trump ended up winning Florida

https://media.tenor.com/images/d50a3dc96b19a569f8bf7da3b77edfd0/tenor.gif

[Denver]

I think Trump ended up winning Florida

https://media.tenor.com/images/d50a3dc96b19a569f8bf7da3b77edfd0/tenor.gif

Its no major loss, Trump needed it Biden didn't

[Gstar]

Every candidate that has won Florida in the last 90 years has ended up winning the election
:worry:

[Denver]

:worry:

All Biden needs to do is take 3 states and he will win

[Gstar]

Let’s make history :clap1:

[Denver]

Ohio and South Carolina will be good wins for Biden if he keeps his hold in the lead

[Brother Leon]

Any two of Georgia,Pennsylvania,Texas, Ohio or North Carolina should be enough. Especially the first four.

Florida was always going to be a bonus and an opportunity to go sleep early. :laugh:

[Denver]

Biden coukd possibly have won Kansas, its only work 6 votes but it a good sign

[Gstar]

Georgia better come through

[Denver]

If Biden wins Ohio it will make it hard for Trump to win

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El7gA3PXIAAKrsA?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El8U1ISXIAEt4Kv?format=jpg&name=small


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El8Sna5XEAA5Nu0?format=jpg&name=small

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El8P9r6X0AIr0PH?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El8Nrm7XUAIm8kT?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El8TtWuXYAANHpH?format=jpg&name=small

[GoldHeart]

Any two of Georgia,Pennsylvania,Texas, Ohio or North Carolina should be enough. Especially the first four.

Florida was always going to be a bonus and an opportunity to go sleep early. :laugh:

I think it's too optimistic to think Biden will win Florida, but i'm hoping he atleast gets Pennsylvania & Ohio :fc::fc::fc:

[arista]

Biden has not got a Landslide


CNN HD wrong again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.allsides.com/sites/default/files/AllSidesMediaBiasChart-Version3.jpg

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/10NewsFirst/status/1323899247779962881

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.allsides.com/story/election-night-recap-swing-states-predict-delays-trump-calls-scotus-action

[Nicky91]

halting the votes counting is soooo anti-democracy


Trump showing he's a very bad loser

[Crimson Dynamo]

live news feed here:

https://video.foxnews.com/v/5614615980001#sp=watch-live

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/rowan007/status/1323916113168625665

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/rowan007/status/1323916113168625665

twitter gossip is just gossip

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1323909815580696578

[user104658]

Senate is neck'n'neck at 47 with 51 needed. Lol.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1323909815580696578

lets check where the NY Times is on this chart....

https://www.allsides.com/sites/default/files/AllSidesMediaBiasChart-Version3.jpg



oh:shocked:

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/rowan007/status/1323916113168625665

this is worse that BB voting, where people rang up and allegedly voted for a different person :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Every time we have a poll on Tibb usually a couple of people vote for the wrong thing by accident. Id imagine people vote in America and come home and their partner says "did you vote for Biden then?"

and they are like "Doh!, flipping heck i voted for Trump by accident :oh:"

[Cherie]

Farage must be sweating on his 10K bet :fan:

[Niamh.]

So who is actually winning?, this whole system is so confusing :laugh:

[Zizu]

Why didn’t Obama run ?


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[Vanessa]

So who is actually winning?, this whole system is so confusing :laugh:
At the moment Biden is leading.

[Niamh.]

At the moment Biden is leading.

Well yeah I know that but I mean with the states that are left and predictions because of the results that are already in etc

[Niamh.]

Why didn’t Obama run ?


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Aren't you only allowed have 2 terms and he's had his? Or do you mean Michelle?

[Nicky91]

Aren't you only allowed have 2 terms and he's had his? Or do you mean Michelle?

Michelle would make a better candidate than Hillary i think if we're comparing female presidential candidates

[Niamh.]

Michelle would make a better candidate than Hillary i think if we're comparing female presidential candidates

Michelle would be brilliant but she's already said she wouldn't be interested

[Zizu]

Aren't you only allowed have 2 terms and he's had his? Or do you mean Michelle?



I know very little about uk politics and even less about US ones


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[user104658]

Aren't you only allowed have 2 terms and he's had his? Or do you mean Michelle?

22nd amendment limits presidents to two terms, it could technically be removed at any time allowing a president to run for a third term, which Trump could technically try to do during this term. However removing the term limit would mean that Obama COULD then run against him, and I think Obama would almost certainly win if he ran. Trump vs Obama 2024 anyone? :omgno:

[bots]

Wisconsin is on a knife edge with Biden leading by 9000 votes, if he wins and other similar states fall the same way, Biden is going to win

[user104658]

Wisconsin is on a knife edge with Biden leading by 9000 votes, if he wins and other similar states fall the same way, Biden is going to win

The NYTimes still has Georgia tilting Biden (and it's not outdated, it's a "needle" that updates constantly) but I have no idea how or why. I can't see it. If Georgia goes Trump does that mean I know more about US politics than the New York Times? :joker:

[bots]

The NYTimes still has Georgia tilting Biden (and it's not outdated, it's a "needle" that updates constantly) but I have no idea how or why. I can't see it. If Georgia goes Trump does that mean I know more about US politics than the New York Times? :joker:

its all about paths available to victory i think. Biden still has many, trump doesnt. So it kind of favours Biden, but doesn't mean Trump can't win

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump has already says he has won

and its a beautiful thing


Surely the American people dont need anymore than this?

[Niamh.]

Wisconsin is on a knife edge with Biden leading by 9000 votes, if he wins and other similar states fall the same way, Biden is going to win

:fc:

[Nicky91]

no, i cannot see a third term happen, but what i can see is Donnie asking one of his children to take his place and be presidential candidate next elections

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[James]

The bookmakers now have it as 50-50 with Biden slight favourite.

About an hour ago Trump was 1/3 favourite.

[Vanessa]

The bookmakers now have it as 50-50 with Biden slight favourite.

About an hour ago Trump was 1/3 favourite.

Its so close. This could literally go easily either way.
There's no clear cut winner.

[lewis111]

If Wisconsin goes to Trump I think it’s pretty much over isn’t it? Biden will have such a slim chance to get Pennsylvania or Michigan after that

[bots]

If Biden does end up winning his aim of uniting the american people has no chance of success

[user104658]

If Biden does end up winning his aim of uniting the american people has no chance of success

America has been fundamentally divided since its birth as a nation, there is no viable aim of a united America. I think if you fast forward enough (not within our lifetimes, but eventually) it'll straight up split. States like New York and California are inherently incompatible with the central red states. It's that simple.

[Niamh.]

America has been fundamentally divided since its birth as a nation, there is no viable aim of a united America. I think if you fast forward enough (not within our lifetimes, but eventually) it'll straight up split. States like New York and California are inherently incompatible with the central red states. It's that simple.

Have you been to many parts of the States? the difference between certain states is ridiculous, it's not even like it's the same country, we spent a couple of weeks in some of the Southern states and then flew in to San Francisco (actually it was just days before the election in 2016) and it was like a culture shock. You go from massive everything in Texas etc where we were saying imagine trying to get these guys to think about the environment to San Francisco with it's hatch backs and hybrids and joggers

[James]

There's a big cultural divide in America. It's not really one country. I think the big difference with European countries is more people in America take religion seriously.

[James]

There's the 3 Fs that mean a lot to many Americans: Faith, Flag and Family. I'm not sure Liberal America has come to terms with that.

[Niamh.]

I did find the Texan's and the people in the Southern States unbelievably friendly compared to California, New York or Boston and definitely a lot more ...............characters there :laugh:

[user104658]

It was divided along exactly the same lines during its own fight for independence, the Civil War, and the Civil Rights movement etc. as it is today. There is no uniting it. We think there are large political differences in the UK but in reality there aren't; the vast majority of people lean slightly right/left of centre as do both English parties to varying degrees, as well as the SNP up here. We are culturally a relatively homogenous place and always have been, the US just isn't the same thing.

[user104658]

I did find the Texan's and the people in the Southern States unbelievably friendly compared to California, New York or Boston and definitely a lot more ...............characters there :laugh:

You do see that a lot I think. Very friendly, open people... with utterly bat**** crazy ideas. Louis Theroux US-based documentaries illustrate this quite well I think. They're so welcoming of him and he often ends up begrudgingly liking them as characters - while they come out with stuff that makes the mind absolutely boggle.

[Amy Jade]

There's a big cultural divide in America. It's not really one country. I think the big difference with European countries is more people in America take religion seriously.

Yeah they are very religious in certain states, I remember going to Alabama when I was 11, staying with family who migrated and on the Sunday the town shut down, it was very strange and it felt a little cult like thinking back.

As nice as people were aswell we were clearly outsiders.

[Niamh.]

You do see that a lot I think. Very friendly, open people... with utterly bat**** crazy ideas. Louis Theroux US-based documentaries illustrate this quite well I think. They're so welcoming of him and he often ends up begrudgingly liking them as characters - while they come out with stuff that makes the mind absolutely boggle.

Oh we've been having a Louis Theroux binge the last few weeks actually, he's brilliant but yes absolutely. I've probably already told this story on here but one example was when we were in a truck stop one time in Texas to get some food and we got chatting with this Trucker and we were talking about the election and he told us he and his wife had 100k rounds of ammunition stock piled in case Hilary won :skull: Real friendly guy though, it's a head **** there I swear

[user104658]

WHY has the betting flipped back to favouring Biden? It's driving me nuts because I can't figure it out. Wisconsin is right on the edge with literally a couple of thousand votes in it and if Trump snatches it's basically over. For them to favour Biden they have to think he's going to take either Georgia or Michigan and Trump leads both. Nevada is far from a guaranteed Biden win at this point also. But he's drifted to 6/4 vs Biden's 8/13?? Wut.

At this point I'm getting itchy fingers on placing a bet in all honesty. I just cannot see anything but a Trump win. It feels like the safest 6/4 I've ever seen.