Premier League 2023-24 Season - General Discussion

[Denver]

He wasn't getting at that Denver, please stop asking to be embarrassed. Some of your Pool fans are all the same. At least Slim comes in with productive criticism and doesn't whine claiming Liverpool have been hard done by.

You need to understand what that phrase means when used towards Liverpool its a phrase that has been used to mock the deaths that were covered up of the fans of Hillsborough

[Swan]

You need to understand what that phrase means when used towards Liverpool its a phrase that has been used to mock the deaths that were covered up of the fans of Hillsborough

I understand, and as a fellow football fan, i stand with Liverpool on that. Tragic. I wouldn't ever use The Sun Newspaper as a base for my cat litter tray for her to sh!t on, sh!t is too good for that scummy rag.

I just think he was saying, what a lot of us say over the years, 90% of Liverpool fans, like you, just can't stand losing and think the whole footballing world is against you, they're not. You are "darlings" of Europe in the country!

[Crimson Dynamo]

wow VAR just apologised for Diaz offside

IT WAS A FOOT ONSIDE

meltdown incoming

[Crimson Dynamo]

i despise Liverpool but that is unacceptable

[Swan]

Ok im out. Reminds me of the phantom CL Liverpool scored against Chelsea to put them through, when it clearly wasn't over the line

[Denver]

They admit they cheated which should allow a nice lawsuit to follow

[Swan]

They admitted the made a mistake, not that they "cheated" no grounds for a lawsuit there.

[bots]

Newsflash, the best team on the day doesn't always win, thats football. It's also football that decisions will be questioned, but the refs decision is always final. That's the game

[Denver]

They admitted the made a mistake, not that they "cheated" no grounds for a lawsuit there.

How can you make such a mistake at that level? They refused to follow protocol and even admitted lines were not drawn when should have been

[Swan]

How can you make such a mistake at that level? They refused to follow protocol and even admitted lines were not drawn when should have been

They do often, i agree it's a joke. But they're never gonna admit "cheating" because it wasn't cheating, it was just useless officials being useless.

[Zizu]

wow VAR just apologised for Diaz offside

IT WAS A FOOT ONSIDE

meltdown incoming


How can every other country ( even ones without our wealth ) have a very effective VAR system !?

It’s utter madness and unacceptable that our VAR system and our refs / officials are completely inept and not fit for purpose


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[Denver]

How can every other country ( even ones without our wealth ) have a very effective VAR system !?

It’s utter madness and unacceptable that our VAR system and our refs / officials are completely inept and not fit for purpose


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Because they are corrupt, I've seen better performance in the Sunday league

[Swan]

We can all agree the officials in charge of running VAR are a joke.

[Swan]

Because they are corrupt, I've seen better performance in the Sunday league

They're not corrupt, they're just useless. They're too thick to be corrupt. And Corruption in the PL, in 2023, no chance. Too much to lose.

90's yes, the refs wore their Utd shirts under their ref jerseys

[Crimson Dynamo]

cough... Suadi money

[Swan]

cough... Suadi money

Meaning?

[Alf]

At least Everton are gonna have the greatest ground in the Championship.

There's always a positive.

[GiRTh]

As much as I dislike both of these teams, VAR is becoming an awful joke

Pundits tell us that they get 90% right but that doesnt matter when they make such high profile mistakes. Is this twice they've failed to draw the offside line correctly? Unacceptable

[The Slim Reaper]

i despise Liverpool but that is unacceptable

You used to like them. I wonder what happened :smug:

[The Slim Reaper]

They're not corrupt, they're just useless. They're too thick to be corrupt. And Corruption in the PL, in 2023, no chance. Too much to lose.

90's yes, the refs wore their Utd shirts under their ref jerseys

They're both tbh. All the refs these days pretend to not support big teams, but they do. No one from greater manc is supporting Altrincham.

[Mystic Mock]

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Actual injustice when the refs were 100% instructed by the higher ups to do everything the could to not make a Utd/Chelsea final 2 years on the bounce

If you want to talk about injustice just watch the invisible penalty that Cardiff got against us a few years ago.

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The "incident" allegedly happens around the 3:42 mark of the video.

Admittedly that Chelsea vs Barcelona match was bad, as was the 12 men France edging past England at the Qatar World Cup.

Although I do think VAR did themselves a lot of harm in that Tottenham & Liverpool match with the mistake for the offside goal being disallowed.

[Mystic Mock]

They do often, i agree it's a joke. But they're never gonna admit "cheating" because it wasn't cheating, it was just useless officials being useless.

What I don't get is that if someone like me can tell that Diaz was onside and I'm just a regular joe public with zero Referee experience, then how can professional Referees not spot it when they're staring at a monitor?

I personally prefer Spurs as a team (I've always had a soft spot for them) but being fair I think that professional Officials should be able to spot stuff that I'm spotting, otherwise they're really bad at their jobs.

[bots]

What I don't get is that if someone like me can tell that Diaz was onside and I'm just a regular joe public with zero Referee experience, then how can professional Referees not spot it when they're staring at a monitor?

I personally prefer Spurs as a team (I've always had a soft spot for them) but being fair I think that professional Officials should be able to spot stuff that I'm spotting, otherwise they're really bad at their jobs.

you try making a decision in front of 50k baying fans and then come back on that one :laugh:

Honestly, i think they should just do away with var now. It should go back to decisions made in real time and if a mistake is made so be it. Goal line tech can remain because it seems reliable

[Mystic Mock]

you try making a decision in front of 50k baying fans and then come back on that one :laugh:

Honestly, i think they should just do away with var now. It should go back to decisions made in real time and if a mistake is made so be it. Goal line tech can remain because it seems reliable

I get that, but ultimately the Referees have to be more brave in their decision making.

Like I personally supported his decision to send off Jones & Jota because they did break the rules of the game, and he wasn't afraid to have Liverpool fans going mad at him for doing that.

My point being that if he is ballsy enough to send a team down to nine men, he can be ballsy enough to give the away team a goal that was onside.

[Zizu]

The poor refs , incompetent VAR .. the checks after each goal ( trying to find a reason to disallow it )


All ruining our beautiful game


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[Cherie]

How can you make such a mistake at that level? They refused to follow protocol and even admitted lines were not drawn when should have been

It was clearly onside, but you are acting like VAR has got every other decision with every other team correct, which they have not, plenty teams have suffered defeats at VARs hands, so you just need to suck it up like everyone else :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[rusticgal]

wow VAR just apologised for Diaz offside

IT WAS A FOOT ONSIDE

meltdown incoming


Pretty obvious to everyone...


No doubt the apology made them feel better....NOT!!!

[Zizu]

Pretty obvious to everyone...


No doubt the apology made them feel better....NOT!!!


Why not just amend the score after a clear mistake ?!

So give Liverpool the win or at least a draw this afternoon .

All sorted


Why not ?


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[Zizu]

So why no Sunday afternoon game on telly ??


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[rusticgal]

How can you make such a mistake at that level? They refused to follow protocol and even admitted lines were not drawn when should have been


We have all suffered with poor decision making....it hurts when its your team. It was obviously not offside and I feel for you. Maybe as a result someone could lose their job/position :shrug:...

Thats Football for you...

[Zizu]

We have all suffered with poor decision making....it hurts when its your team. It was obviously not offside and I feel for you. Maybe as a result someone could lose their job/position :shrug:...

Thats Football for you...


The two guys responsible have been replaced for the 2pm game today and the match tomorrow night

Big WOW !!


That will teach them


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[rusticgal]

Why not just amend the score after a clear mistake ?!

So give Liverpool the win this afternoon .

All sorted


Why not ?


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Because it just wont happen....it will set a precedent.... the amount of penalties/sending offs and goals not allowed through bad decision making....you would have to have games replayed in many cases...it just wont happen.

[rusticgal]

The two guys responsible have been replaced for the 2pm game today and the match tomorrow night

Big WOW !!


That will teach them


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That doesn't surprise me...its a huge responsibility to get these things right.

[Zizu]

Because it just wont happen....it will set a precedent.... the amount of penalties/sending offs and goals not allowed through bad decision making....you would have to have games replayed in many cases...it just wont happen.


All those others could be opinions the disallowed goal was onside


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[Zizu]

Anyone know why Gibbs White ain’t playing ?


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[Zizu]

Imagine Liverpool getting pipped for the league title I by 1 point !

Why not give Liverpool the goal and a draw

If Spurs won’t accept the correctly amended result then they should suggest that they REPLAY the whole game … then Spurs will accept the draw ..


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[Zizu]

Why are they allowing the 4pm football slot go to women’s football !?

This could be a dangerous precedent ..
Unless they know the viewing figures are gonna be low as they’re competing against the end of the Ryder Cup and all the celebrations ?

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[The Slim Reaper]

This was the VAR used at the world cup. Our refs rejected the opportunity to use this clear method, in order to keep giving themselves wiggle room to tip the scales.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7XGz8sXQAE9wLj?format=jpg&name=small

VAR allows us to see the corruption in plain sight, removing it doesn't help anyone, because it works perfectly well in the other competitions. It's just our UK refs that seem to have other intentions.

[GiRTh]

Agree. People are talking about corrupt refs. TBH for so many people to get such a simple decision wrong you have to ask.

[Zizu]

This was the VAR used at the world cup. Our refs rejected the opportunity to use this clear method, in order to keep giving themselves wiggle room to tip the scales.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7XGz8sXQAE9wLj?format=jpg&name=small

VAR allows us to see the corruption in plain sight, removing it doesn't help anyone, because it works perfectly well in the other competitions. It's just our UK refs that seem to have other intentions.


Well I noticed that VAR works extremely well and fast in La Liga ..

Shame the refs are so against my beloved Barca though ..


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[The Slim Reaper]

Agree. People are talking about corrupt refs. TBH for so many people to get such a simple decision wrong you have to ask.

There's proven corruption in other leagues, and yet we just have to accept that all our refs won't have their heads turned by a brown envelope here or there, because British :laugh:

[Cherie]

Well I noticed that VAR works extremely well and fast in La Liga ..

Shame the refs are so against my beloved Barca though ..


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so it works great until .....lol Zizu

[Zizu]

so it works great until .....lol Zizu


It’s true :)

La Liga VAR works perfectly



Sadly the refs let the other teams kick our players from pillar to post week after week ..


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[Swan]

Well I noticed that VAR works extremely well and fast in La Liga ..

Shame the refs are so against my beloved Barca though ..


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[Zizu]

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I remember that game well


Don’t know what all the fuss is about tbh

I guess you see what you want to see


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[Swan]

I remember that game well


Don’t know what all the fuss is about tbh

I guess you see what you want to see


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2 pens were debatable.
1 was clear.
1 was the clearest handball of all time. Much more noticeable than Diaz's offside yesterday.

How you can not say that was a penalty is actually unreal.

[Dogeatdog]

That 2009 Chelsea vs Barcelona game is probably one of the most corrupt games of football I’ve ever watched. I’m glad they got redemption a few seasons later.

[Zizu]

Intriguing

Liverpool have vowed to "explore the range of options available" after claiming sporting integrity was undermined after Luis Diaz's goal was ruled out against Tottenham for what the PGMOL described as "significant human error".


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[Crimson Dynamo]

I thought Klopp reacted with great dignity in his presser

[Alf]

So what's happened with VAR this time? I don't watch so fill me in with what's happened?

[Cherie]

So what's happened with VAR this time? I don't watch so fill me in with what's happened?

Blatant onside given as offside, but hey who cares it was Liverpool at the receiving end for once :dance:

[Cherie]

Intriguing

Liverpool have vowed to "explore the range of options available" after claiming sporting integrity was undermined after Luis Diaz's goal was ruled out against Tottenham for what the PGMOL described as "significant human error".


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its not going to happen if the decision is over turned the TiBB prediction game will descend into chaos

[Alf]

My dream is for all football fans to protest by staying away from games until VAR is removed. If they did then they would also have more money in their pockets to spend on having a good Christmas for themselves and maybe an extra holiday abroad.

[The Slim Reaper]

:joker:

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[The Slim Reaper]

My dream is for all football fans to protest by staying away from games until VAR is removed. If they did then they would also have more money in their pockets to spend on having a good Christmas for themselves and maybe an extra holiday abroad.

VAR isn't the problem. The officials are.

[Alf]

Rugby League was the first sport to bring in the video referee, back in the mid nineties. It works OK in that sport. It does have the odd error but they're rare.

The video ref just can't work in football and needs to be removed immediately. VAR seems to have caused more problems in the time it's been in then all the years it wasn't. That works in Rugby league but it doesn't in football.

The fact that paying spectators can't even celebrate a goal now until some video decision has happened is just lunacy.

What have they turned the beautiful game into?

[The Slim Reaper]

Rugby League was the first sport to bring in the video referee, back in the mid nineties. It works OK in that sport. It does have the odd error but they're rare.

The video ref just can't work in football and needs to be removed immediately. VAR seems to have caused more problems in the time it's been in then all the years it wasn't.

The fact that paying spectators can't even celebrate a goal now until some video decision has happened is just lunacy.

What have they turned the beautiful game into?

Corrupt officials spent 3 and a half minutes yesterday trying to find a reason to disallow your goal.

[Alf]

Corrupt officials spent 3 and a half minutes yesterday trying to find a reason to disallow your goal.Was it given?

[The Slim Reaper]

Was it given?

In the end, yes. but they were looking at ways to disallow it. No one should need nearly 4 mins to check VAR.

[Alf]

In the end, yes. but they were looking at ways to disallow it. No one should need nearly 4 mins to check VAR.It's ridiculous. They need to go back to human error, because at least people can accept that for what it is, let the referee, referee. This VAR is just spoiling the game.

[Cherie]

It's ridiculous. They need to go back to human error, because at least people can accept that for what it is, let the referee, referee. This VAR is just spoiling the game.

I agree we can accept human error but not people being able to look at it again and again on a screen but still get it wrong....ridiculous...that said it was Liverpool so :dance::laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

If at first you don't succeed...

[Mystic Mock]

I feel like we need Football to not be having huge mistakes happening at all during matches.

Don't forget before VAR existed there was the Hand Of God and the Chelsea vs Barcelona 2009 Champions League match, plus a myriad of other horrible decisions that were costing teams potential success.

It's always been the officials that are the issue because they end up being one of three things.

And that's either:
1. Corrupt
2. Incompetent
3. Both

[Alf]

I feel like we need Football to not be having huge mistakes happening at all during matches.

Don't forget before VAR existed there was the Hand Of God and the Chelsea vs Barcelona 2009 Champions League match, plus a myriad of other horrible decisions that were costing teams potential success.

It's always been the officials that are the issue because they end up being one of three things.

And that's either:
1. Corrupt
2. Incompetent
3. BothYeah, but "Hand of God" we got over by bedtime. And that was a World Cup quater final. We were more in ore of Diego's second goal and probably blamed our defending on that and Lineker missing that open goal header just as much as Maradona's first goal. We quickly got over it and it became iconic because the media played it up. You won't find many English people from that time who doesn't call Maradona "the greatest of all time"

[Zizu]

My dream is for all football fans to protest by staying away from games until VAR is removed. If they did then they would also have more money in their pockets to spend on having a good Christmas for themselves and maybe an extra holiday abroad.


I agree !!

We should just keep goal line technology


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[Zizu]

its not going to happen if the decision is over turned the TiBB prediction game will descend into chaos


:)

Seriously though I actually think that this incident is momentous !!

Just imagine if that was the last day of the season and Liverpool were playing for the title … a simple apology would not suffice then and it can’t suffice now either

I feel they will give Liverpool a point or replay the game


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[Zizu]

:joker:

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If that happens I can see Liverpool resigning from the league and joining Celtic and Rangers or moving to the French league


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[Zizu]

VAR isn't the problem. The officials are.


It’s both surely

I’m sure I saw something suggesting we use different VAR technology to everyone else


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[Zizu]

The fact that paying spectators can't even celebrate a goal now until some video decision has happened is just lunacy.

What have they turned the beautiful game into?

This is a very interesting/important point

We have ripped the heart out of our game .. it will get to the point where nobody will celebrate a goal .. then after the goal check the scorer will maybe raise his arm walking back to the centre circle and a few fans will cheer …


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[Zizu]

There were some strange decisions including this one ..

They were going for a header and the foul went against Robertson who was booked even though his eyes were firmly fixed on the ball and the Spurs guy was clearly gonna go for Robertson !!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231002/0b896822c3da0a91b251c06b541770c6.jpg


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[Swan]

There were some strange decisions including this one ..

They were going for a header and the foul went against Robertson who was booked even though his eyes were firmly fixed on the ball and the Spurs guy was clearly gonna go for Robertson !!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231002/0b896822c3da0a91b251c06b541770c6.jpg


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Zizu, Robertson is no angel, he dishes it out as much as the next bloke.

[Zizu]

Zizu, Robertson is no angel, he dishes it out as much as the next bloke.


He is committed but they always say the guy looking at the player not the ball is at fault


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[Zizu]

There’s also this little snippet

The guy who cocked up had reffed a match in UAE days before.

Not suggesting they were compromised but rather they might have been jetlagged. Either way with the non penalty call against Man U vs Wolves and this disallowed goal for offside, it's two massive decisions VAR got wrong


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[Cherie]

:)

Seriously though I actually think that this incident is momentous !!

Just imagine if that was the last day of the season and Liverpool were playing for the title … a simple apology would not suffice then and it can’t suffice now either

I feel they will give Liverpool a point or replay the game


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In that case they need to replay all the games where VAR has been incorrect, do you agree?

[Cherie]

If that happens I can see Liverpool resigning from the league and joining Celtic and Rangers or moving to the French league


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Bye Bye, how would they move to the French league lol

[Cherie]

If I am reading this correctly Liverpool were on the better end of VAR decisions in the 2022-23 season

VAR - NET SCORE

Brentford +6
Fulham +5
Liverpool +5
Nottm Forest +3
Aston Villa +1
Bournemouth +1
Newcastle +1
Chelsea 0
Everton 0
Manchester United 0
Crystal Palace -1
Southampton -1
West Ham -1
Wolves -1
Arsenal -2
Leicester City -2
Tottenham -2
Leeds -3
Brighton & Hove Albion -4
Manchester City -4


https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37631044/how-var-decisions-affected-every-premier-league-club-2022-23

[Zizu]

In that case they need to replay all the games where VAR has been incorrect, do you agree?


Maybe just the obvious ones like this offside ..

Imagine if Liverpool lose the title by one point now .. their legal team will have a field day claiming for lost earnings / lost potential earnings etc etc


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[Zizu]

Bye Bye, how would they move to the French league lol


Why not :)

Cardiff and Swansea play in our league..


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[Zizu]

I like the idea of getting one chance to appeal a decision using VAR technology- each half .

Then the captain would have the authority to say when to appeal after speaking to the player who was fouled or dragged to the floor in the box . If they’d dived or went down easy the player would say not to appeal ..


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[Nicky91]

lols Man City

now PSV are the only unbeaten team left in entire european domestic leagues :clap1: :clap1:

7 out of 7 wins whew, fab start for my city's team under the new coach whom was first criticized not winning anything at all of his former teams (Peter Bosz)

[bots]

If I am reading this correctly Liverpool were on the better end of VAR decisions in the 2022-23 season

VAR - NET SCORE

Brentford +6
Fulham +5
Liverpool +5
Nottm Forest +3
Aston Villa +1
Bournemouth +1
Newcastle +1
Chelsea 0
Everton 0
Manchester United 0
Crystal Palace -1
Southampton -1
West Ham -1
Wolves -1
Arsenal -2
Leicester City -2
Tottenham -2
Leeds -3
Brighton & Hove Albion -4
Manchester City -4


https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37631044/how-var-decisions-affected-every-premier-league-club-2022-23

funny that united were zero and all the opposing fans say they have the refs in their pocket and city were the most impacted and still won the league

[Swan]

What a strange team Poch has put out?!

[bots]

What a strange team Poch has put out?!

i still dont know any of their names :laugh:

[Swan]

That shot = Chelsea strikers in a nutshell. **** ME!!!

[bots]

boom, well taken goal

[Swan]

What is going on?????? OMFG!!!!

[bots]

confidence, its that simple

[Crimson Dynamo]

And shocking defending

[bots]

i'm sure var must have assisted somewhere too :fist:

[Swan]

Decent first half, looking sharp. It's refreshing.

[The Slim Reaper]

funny that united were zero and all the opposing fans say they have the refs in their pocket and city were the most impacted and still won the league

It's the wrong way to look at those numbers. If you are perceived to be benefitting from VAR, then it's because bad decisions are being made in your games that require intervention. Zero is basically saying they called your games correctly on average.

[Beso]

It's the wrong way to look at those numbers. If you are perceived to be benefitting from VAR, then it's because bad decisions are being made in your games that require intervention. Zero is basically saying they called your games correctly on average.

That's how I read it as well, the list is saying man city would have had minus five points, and brentford would have been in Europe.

[Cherie]

funny that united were zero and all the opposing fans say they have the refs in their pocket and city were the most impacted and still won the league

Indeed

[Cherie]

That's how I read it as well, the list is saying man city would have had minus five points, and brentford would have been in Europe.

I read it differently Parmy

[Beso]

I read it differently Parmy

How do you see it cherie?

[bots]

It's the wrong way to look at those numbers. If you are perceived to be benefitting from VAR, then it's because bad decisions are being made in your games that require intervention. Zero is basically saying they called your games correctly on average.

if you take fulham for example, 4 goals against them were disallowed which led to a +5 score, so i believe Cherie and I are looking at it the right way

[The Slim Reaper]

if you take fulham for example, 4 goals against them were disallowed which led to a +5 score, so i believe Cherie and I are looking at it the right way

VAR doesn't need to interject if no error has been made, so teams only "benefit" from VAR if bad decisions are being made that need to be corrected.

Liverpool +5
Overturns: 13
Leading to goals for: 2
Disallowed goals for: 2
Leading to goals against: 0
Disallowed goals against: 6
Net goal score: +4
Subjective decisions for: 2
Subjective decisions against: 3
Net subjective score: -1
Penalties for / against: 1 / 1
Red cards for / against: 0 / 0

Considering we were supposed to benefit from it last season, we also lost out on subjective decisions.


From man city

Game: Newcastle (A; Aug. 21)
Incident: Miguel Almiron goal allowed after being originally ruled out for offside, 28th minute - AGAINST

That's not a decision against man city (despite what it says), that is a correct decision being made after an incorrect one was made on the pitch which was to the benefit of man city.

The ESPN framing is completely off.

[bots]

Man U beat city with a highly questionable off side last season, i would say it was pretty blatant too

[The Slim Reaper]

Highly questionable or pretty blatant? Which is it :laugh:

Whichever way it is, it appears on neither utd or citys decisions from last season.

Just checked the goal, and it's a legal goal although it's dubious. VAR wouldn't have checked the offside, because the ref had watched it for a good chunk of time and knew exactly where Rashford was throughout. It's a grey area of rules - similar to citys goal on the opening day this season, which also stood.

[Cherie]

How do you see it cherie?

I see it as plus points added by VAR decisions in favour

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Zizu]

Apparently only one player with the initials BS has won the Prem League !!



This is not BS

Guess who


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[Crimson Dynamo]

i know :hee:

[Zizu]

https://www.premierleague.com/news/3718057?sf269410963=1


OMG

The Liverpool VAR fiasco audio / video is soooo bad !!

I think they have to replay this game or replay from when the goal should have stood

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

what a total sh-it show

[GiRTh]

4wG-5Zc6hww******ing keystone cops.

I cannot beleive what I'm hearing. So even when they realised they'd made the wrong decision the attitude was to shrug and go - Cant do anything. I'm stunned. Dont bring these two clowns back

[Zizu]

4wG-5Zc6hww******ing keystone cops.

I cannot beleive what I'm hearing. So even when they realised they'd made the wrong decision the attitude was to shrug and go - Cant do anything. I'm stunned. Dont bring these two clowns back


They miss ONE game !!


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[GiRTh]

They miss ONE game !!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThe system is a joke

[The Slim Reaper]

4wG-5Zc6hww******ing keystone cops.

I cannot beleive what I'm hearing. So even when they realised they'd made the wrong decision the attitude was to shrug and go - Cant do anything. I'm stunned. Dont bring these two clowns back

Exactly how it would sound if there was corruption involved. It was never going to be "**** the scouse victims." but if it was dodgy; ignoring what everyone else was saying, speed the restart up and then washing his hands, is exactly what would happen. We have no idea what he was up to reffing in the UAE on Thursday night.

That restart is the most suspicious. They took 3 and a half minutes trying to sort the Everton goal, and this was done in seconds.

[GiRTh]

It's astonishing that 3 years in we finally have a watershed moment for VAR. All the talk and disagreement but I think all agreed this cannot happen again. There has to be a process in place to stop the game and reverse an incorrect decision. I'm kindof stunned there isnt already a procedure in place.

Frankly, the incompetence of the referees is the reason for this. They have themselves to blame.

[James]

From the clip they sound under pressure to make the decision quickly.

What people aren't mentioning about VAR is that the TV system is not accurate enough to judge a lot of offside decisions.

[Beso]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[bots]

Ten Hag must be on borrowed time now

[Zizu]

From the clip they sound under pressure to make the decision quickly.

What people aren't mentioning about VAR is that the TV system is not accurate enough to judge a lot of offside decisions.


It does explain why there are so many ridiculous VAR decisions made by the Keystone Kops !


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[Zizu]

Ten Hag must be on borrowed time now


He’s getting to the Alex Ferguson stage where he was a game or two from being sacked …. Look what happened to him though


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[bots]

It's astonishing that 3 years in we finally have a watershed moment for VAR. All the talk and disagreement but I think all agreed this cannot happen again. There has to be a process in place to stop the game and reverse an incorrect decision. I'm kindof stunned there isnt already a procedure in place.

Frankly, the incompetence of the referees is the reason for this. They have themselves to blame.

i think the refs have always been incompetent, it's just VAR is highlighting it. People want near instant checks to keep the game flowing which is what creates the pressure and mistakes and ironically, it's why refs make errors on the field in the first place.

If they want VAR, they need to be able to stop the game and go back and allow them the time it takes to make decisions without time pressure

[AnnieK]

Ten Hag must be on borrowed time now

Onana is a liability too

Shocking start to the season from the lot of them

[bots]

Onana is a liability too

Shocking start to the season from the lot of them

they are already lining up a january replacement apparently

[Zizu]

i think the refs have always been incompetent, it's just VAR is highlighting it. People want near instant checks to keep the game flowing which is what creates the pressure and mistakes and ironically, it's why refs make errors on the field in the first place.

If they want VAR, they need to be able to stop the game and go back and allow them the time it takes to make decisions without time pressure


Apparently the fans of the three relegated clubs are LOVING their time in the Championship !!

No var means the games flow and it’s safe fir everyone to celebrate each goal !!


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[Nicky91]

of course Onana can't play well without the cocain

:laugh2:

[bots]

He’s getting to the Alex Ferguson stage where he was a game or two from being sacked …. Look what happened to him though


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the difference is that ferguson had a team of youngsters willing to play their hearts out. This squad would rather throw the manager under the bus and pick up their pay checks

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[bots]

Klopp wants the Spurs game replayed. It will be interesting how that pans out, because it could open the flood gates

[Nicky91]

don't moan Klopp

its still very early in the season, a lot can change many matchrounds from now




meanwhile down at the bottom, good to see Burnley won some important 3 points away vs Luton, to not fall behind anymore

now Sheffield kinda needs the points asap or they will get more and more in trouble

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7lFBmGXsAAsLDP?format=jpg&name=900x900

brilliant :laugh:

[Cherie]

Klopp wants the Spurs game replayed. It will be interesting how that pans out, because it could open the flood gates

It wont happen, and if it does every club will want a replay when a mistake is made and probably want historical errors rectified as well. As they used to say when it was just refs these mistakes tend to even themselves out by the end of the season, if a team is good enough they should be able to win the league by more than one point

[Zizu]

Then again …

The idea of replaying the game from scratch is gathering momentum !

Klopp has ashes for the replay and apparently their legal team believe that there’s been a precedent set previously

When they replayed the Arsenal v Sheffield Wednesday game ( 1999?) after a smaller error .


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[Zizu]

It wont happen, and if it does every club will want a replay when a mistake is made and probably want historical errors rectified as well. As they used to say when it was just refs these mistakes tend to even themselves out by the end of the season, if a team is good enough they should be able to win the league by more than one point


Imagine if Spurs win the league by a point or two

:)


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[Cherie]

Imagine if Spurs win the league by a point or two

:)


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well I guess if they do they played well for the rest of the season, the season is not won and lost on one game played so early in the the year

[The Slim Reaper]

Klopp being very understanding here. I don't agree with a replay, but his remarks are completely fair, and a little too mild for my liking. I'd have gone in on the people running VAR and refereeing, because trash decisions are happening every week, and there is no consistency.


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[The Slim Reaper]

Imagine if Spurs win the league by a point or two

:)


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Spurs aren't winning the league, but Liverpool could miss out on CL by a point. This level of mistake isn't happening every week and it's a completely exceptional circumstance, so no, teams aren't going to clamour for replays to rectify a 3rd round cup exit in 1977 :laugh:

[Beso]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7lFBmGXsAAsLDP?format=jpg&name=900x900

Should have been me.

[bots]

Spurs aren't winning the league, but Liverpool could miss out on CL by a point. This level of mistake isn't happening every week and it's a completely exceptional circumstance, so no, teams aren't going to clamour for replays to rectify a 3rd round cup exit in 1977 :laugh:

unfortunately Kliopp has a bit of a reputation otherwise i think people would be more understanding of his position. For all we know the chief var guy may have been paid off by some gambling syndicate and he says "oops".

Any manager that is in contention for top 4 (maybe 5 for next season) is going to take it very seriously

[Zizu]

Spurs aren't winning the league, but Liverpool could miss out on CL by a point. This level of mistake isn't happening every week and it's a completely exceptional circumstance, so no, teams aren't going to clamour for replays to rectify a 3rd round cup exit in 1977 :laugh:


We don’t know that for certain though

Jesus if Leicester can win with their squad I’m sure Spurs can .. especially after the Jan window .


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[The Slim Reaper]

unfortunately Kliopp has a bit of a reputation otherwise i think people would be more understanding of his position. For all we know the chief var guy may have been paid off by some gambling syndicate and he says "oops".

Any manager that is in contention for top 4 (maybe 5 for next season) is going to take it very seriously

It's not Klopp though, is it? It's Liverpool that people immediately turn their noses up, at.

Everyone: VAR is crap/broken

Liverpool: OK, we'll take them on

Everyone: Always the victims, typical bindippers.

If you watch that clip, he's completely reasonable. He's giving his opinion and also says he doesn't think there will be a replay, and he takes the blame away from the officials.

All managers act like children one week, and then are calm the week after. Klopp is no different.

[The Slim Reaper]

We don’t know that for certain though

Jesus if Leicester can win with their squad I’m sure Spurs can .. especially after the Jan window .


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No one is beating city to a league title, unless it's a truly exceptional team, and you'll never win it chasing them down. The only way we won it, was because we won every game and got out so far ahead that a couple of losses/draws wouldn't have mattered.

Leicester won it in peps first season with 81 pts. There was a period when we were up there, that we won 106 out of 108 points, finished with 99, 96 and 97pts, and we still only won 1 league title over a 4 year run :laugh:

Spurs isn't anywhere near challenging for a title. I think they'll have a good season and will fight for top 4, but nothing more than that.

[Zizu]

No one is beating city to a league title, unless it's a truly exceptional team, and you'll never win it chasing them down. The only way we won it, was because we won every game and got out so far ahead that a couple of losses/draws wouldn't have mattered.

Leicester won it in peps first season with 81 pts. There was a period when we were up there, that we won 106 out of 108 points, finished with 99, 96 and 97pts, and we still only won 1 league title over a 4 year run :laugh:

Spurs isn't anywhere near challenging for a title. I think they'll have a good season and will fight for top 4, but nothing more than that.


I don’t think City are anywhere close to being as strong as last season and that’s including KDB who can’t stay fit . Plus the other teams/ squads are all much stronger .

City only won last year by 5 points ( home and away wins against Arsenal)


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[The Slim Reaper]

I don’t think City are anywhere close to being as strong as last season and that’s including KDB who can’t stay fit . Plus the other teams/ squads are all much stronger .

City only won last year by 5 points ( home and away wins against Arsenal)


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They were trying to integrate Haaland last season, and maybe they're not at the prime they hit against us for 5 years, but only Arsenal have proved they are capable of reaching near their level. They are a much better team than Spurs, and they haven't got off to a great start, either.

Once city get a head start, it's over.

[GiRTh]

BTckmtmHnOwInteresting take by Ben Foster. I never noticed the lack of both replays and discussion at half time

[GiRTh]

They were trying to integrate Haaland last season, and maybe they're not at the prime they hit against us for 5 years, but only Arsenal have proved they are capable of reaching near their level. They are a much better team than Spurs, and they haven't got off to a great start, either.

Once city get a head start, it's over.Agree with all this except that Arsenal were ever at City's level. We weren't. They were, as you state, trying to fit Haaland into the team.

[Zizu]

They were trying to integrate Haaland last season, and maybe they're not at the prime they hit against us for 5 years, but only Arsenal have proved they are capable of reaching near their level. They are a much better team than Spurs, and they haven't got off to a great start, either.

Once city get a head start, it's over.


City have lost Gündoğan , Mahrez , Palmer and Cancelo ( maybe some others )

Have they really replaced them well ?

Gündoğan was a very important part of their success .

KDB is an injury liability as each year passes


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[The Slim Reaper]

Agree with all this except that Arsenal were ever at City's level. We weren't. They were, as you state, trying to fit Haaland into the team.

...but only Arsenal have proved they are capable of reaching near their level.

[Zizu]

...but only Arsenal have proved they are capable of reaching near their level.


Liverpool will be close this time ..

Top three will be Arsenal, Liverpool and City

The order probably depends on injuries


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[bots]

Manchester United midfielder Bruno Fernandes played more minutes of football than any other elite player last year, new data shows.

World players' union Fifpro said the Portugal international, 29, played 6,666 minutes between 15 September 2022 and 15 September 2023.

The body analysed data on 1,800 players to illustrate the physical and mental demands top players face.

It is campaigning for changes to the football calendar to protect players.

The latest results from its Player Workload Monitoring tool show Fernandes played in 72 games over the period for club and country.

Four Manchester City players are in the top 10 for appearances made in a season in which they clinched the Treble, winning the Premier League, Champions League and FA Cup.

The quartet are Spain midfielder Rodri (68 games), Portugal midfielder Bernardo Silva (67), Swiss defender Manuel Akanji (66) and Argentina forward Julian Alvarez (66) - who also reached the 2022 World Cup final with his country in Qatar.

Fernandes' United team-mate, England forward Marcus Rashford, also features in the top 10 with 66 appearances.

The tracking tool, put together with data company Football Benchmark, monitors the workloads of 1,800 elite footballers around the world - 1,500 men and 300 women.

[Zizu]

[emoji599] The Premier League could decide to replay Tottenham Hotspur's game with Liverpool - if an appointed commission rules that the match officials breached the Laws of the game when it came to ruling out Luis Diaz's goal.


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[Denver]

Darren England has been banned from being involved in Liverpool matches for the rest of the season

[Zizu]

Imagine if at the end of season and Liverpool are a point away from the Title or top 4 ??


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[Swan]

Apparently Chelsea are thinking about re-signing Eden Hazard!

[Zizu]

Apparently Chelsea are thinking about re-signing Eden Hazard!


Just checked and it’s not April 1st ..


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[Swan]

Just checked and it’s not April 1st ..


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If only he'd never left, got incredibly unlucky with injuries at Real. He was superb for Chelsea. Obviously now it wouldn't be the same, and i don't see the point of re-signing him.

[Zizu]

If only he'd never left, got incredibly unlucky with injuries at Real. He was superb for Chelsea. Obviously now it wouldn't be the same, and i don't see the point of re-signing him.


I think his brother would be a better idea


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[Swan]

I think his brother would be a better idea


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Neither tbh. Eden was always better than Thorgan. I very much doubt Eden will be offered a contract at Chelsea anyway.

[Cherie]

Imagine if at the end of season and Liverpool are a point away from the Title or top 4 ??


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You keep asking that question and no one cares apart from Liverpool fans :laugh:

[Cherie]

Darren England has been banned from being involved in Liverpool matches for the rest of the season

why only Liverpool? has it been proven he had a Liverpool Bias, was he wearing a Spurs shirt per chance

[Niamh.]

why only Liverpool? has it been proven he had a Liverpool Bias, was he wearing a Spurs shirt per chanceHe was the ****er :fist:

[bots]

There were even more arguments over bad decisions before VAR was introduced. The whole complaining crap is just nonsense at this stage

[Zizu]

I can see Spurs running riot today against a very poor Luton side …

I’ve heard rumours that Spurs will get Kyogo in the Jan window and he could be a game changer for them !!

::::

The Celtic striker has been linked with a move to Spurs after former boss Ange Postecoglou became the north Londoners’ new manager, having been plucked from Japanese football by the Australian coach.


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[bots]

i saw a football prediction today saying that luton would take spurs apart. I thought, has that person watched any games this season :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i saw a football prediction today saying that luton would take spurs apart. I thought, has that person watched any games this season :laugh:

It will be a harder game for SPurs as Luton have more confidence/crowd will be up for it but SPurs have way too much quality

Just hope Son blanks as lots are on him as Captain

[Zizu]

I see a 5:1 Spurs landslide .

That said football has a habit of throwing up crazy , crazy results


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[Zizu]

Disgraceful to take out Maddison after just 31 seconds !!

It’s premeditated assaults like this which should get RED cards not the ridiculous ones like Jota’s


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[Zizu]

Richarlison was actually pulled back when he missed that ‘sitter’ !!
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[Zizu]

Spurs should be 3:0 up after less than 7 minutes !!


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[MTVN]

Maybe but Luton the only ones who had the ball in the net

[MTVN]

Bissouma :joker::joker:

Brilliant refereeing!

[bots]

it's been a fun game so far

[Zizu]

it's been a fun game so far


I hate how the flair players get ZERO protection from the useless referees


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[bots]

being a flair player is not enough in the modern game. You need to be strong and hyper fit

[bots]

lol how did he miss that

[Zizu]

Spurs should be 3:0 up after less than 7 minutes !!


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Should be 4:0 up after 27 minutes !!


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[Zizu]

being a flair player is not enough in the modern game. You need to be strong and hyper fit


Maddison and Saka are but they will both be lucky to make it to Halloween in one piece


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[Zizu]

Richarlison was taken out during an attack , the ref acknowledged it but waved to play on but didn’t go back to book the offender ( as they used to )


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[Zizu]

Luton are just evolving into a clone of Newcastle and the ref does nothing


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[Zizu]

So how does the ref ( correctly) identify that Bissouma dived and yet he gets conned every time a defender falls forward onto the ball when an attacker is pressing them from behind?

This happens loads of times in every single game


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Spurs go top

[bots]

we are ok today, Maguire is playing :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Everton 1 up

[Crimson Dynamo]

Burnley 1-0 Chelsea

[Swan]

Business as usual

[bots]

Business as usual

oops

[Crimson Dynamo]

Man U 0-1 Brentford

[bots]

Onana ****ed up again

[bots]

united are piss poor

[Swan]

Gonna be a huge game when Chelsea play Utd in December, a win for either team will be massive step forward in the relegation fight.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Everton 2-0 Cherries

[Crimson Dynamo]

Chelsea 1-1 (Sterling)

[Swan]

Own goal needed, lets go, 1-1, we're gonna win the league

[Swan]

Chelsea 1-1 (Sterling)

No way on earth will that goal stay with Sterling. 100% OG

[Crimson Dynamo]

Chelsea 2-1 up - Cole Palmer (pen)

[Swan]

It's coming home

[bots]

united haven't even troubled the brentford goalkeeper yet

[Crimson Dynamo]

3-0 Everton

[bots]

who would have thought that at the beginning of the season

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fulham 1-0 Blades
Chelsea 3 now (sterling)

[bots]

Rashford taken off :laugh:

[Swan]

Ok we're thrashing them now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bellingham 9', 54' Madrid 2-0 Osasuna

10 from 10

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sheff united 1-1 now at Fulham

[bots]

Bellingham has been brilliant for RM this season

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fulham go 2-1 up

[bots]

4-1 to Chelsea

[Crimson Dynamo]

United get the equaliser 1-1 McTominey

[bots]

McTominey can always be counted on. He doesn't get enough recognition

[Crimson Dynamo]

McTominey 2-1

[Zizu]

McTominey can always be counted on. He doesn't get enough recognition


He’s got the winner now !!

He maybe the missing link :)


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[Swan]

And to think Utd wanted to sell him,i remember saying on here he was one worth keeping, excellent player.

[Zizu]

McTominey can always be counted on. He doesn't get enough recognition


I like him .. . Apart from when he’s kicking Arsenal and Liverpool players :)

He scores regularly for Scotland as well doesn’t he ?


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[Crimson Dynamo]

He is brilliant for Scotland

[Zizu]

And to think Utd wanted to sell him,i remember saying on here he was one worth keeping, excellent player.


He was favourite to go to Newcastle for ages


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[Swan]

I like him .. . Apart from when he’s kicking Arsenal and Liverpool players :)

He scores regularly for Scotland as well doesn’t he ?


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Zizu, please stop all this bias crap with other teams big bad brutes trying to kill everyone, and your favoured teams being delicate little flowers who need protection and no one must touch any of them.

[Zizu]

Have United ever won a game with two such late goals ?




.

:)

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[Swan]

Get in

[The Slim Reaper]

Not supporting the mighty reds, Swan? :laugh:

[Swan]

Not supporting the mighty reds, Swan? :laugh:

Nah :laugh: Brighton have always been my 2nd team tbf, our yard was next door to their Stadium when it was being built. And my Granddad has always been a big fan.

[Swan]

I'll take that Salah goal, he's my captain in the FPL

[The Slim Reaper]

Egyptian king. The best winger in the history of the prem (93). Unbelievable record.

[Denver]

Cheky 2-1 at half time despite not being great

[Swan]

Ok yeah, im fine with Salah scoring, no problem.

[Swan]

22 points from Salah and not even HT yet. I want Brighton to win, but Salah is welcome to score as many as he likes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

go on Mo

[The Slim Reaper]

Ok yeah, im fine with Salah scoring, no problem.

https://i.imgflip.com/49fe93.jpg?a471000

[Swan]

https://i.imgflip.com/49fe93.jpg?a471000

Im genuinely alright with it :laugh: I'll like bottom of the Tibbs FPL league, i need these points badly :laugh:

5-4 to Brighton will be fine, with Salah scoring another 2 :smug:

[The Slim Reaper]

Another PGMOL apology incoming? Should have been sent off.

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[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F77BsiCWcAAYzHd?format=jpg&name=small

[Swan]

It was 50/50 imo. Nowhere near as controversial as the Diaz offside debacle

[The Slim Reaper]

It was 50/50 imo. Nowhere near as controversial as the Diaz offside debacle

Not by the law; he wasn't going for the ball, which is the only way you get a yellow in that instance.

[Swan]

Not by the law; he wasn't going for the ball, which is the only way you get a yellow in that instance.

Well, it will be a lot more controversial if Brighton go on and win now.

[Swan]

Sitter

[The Slim Reaper]

Well, it will be a lot more controversial if Brighton go on and win now.

The only result I can see happening now. Brighton smell blood. I'd take a point here if we can sneak out with it.

[Swan]

The only result I can see happening now. Brighton smell blood. I'd take a point here if we can sneak out with it.

Could go either way tbh. Pedro missing that sitter though!

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Swan]

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Zizu's twitter handle

[The Slim Reaper]

Zizu's twitter handle

:joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

Good point. Happy with that.

[Swan]

Good point. Happy with that.

It was a fair result overall i think.

[Zizu]

Come on Arsenal !!!


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[MTVN]

Yeah we got a bit screwed by the officiating. Would probably have taken a point beforehand though and didn't expect us to get back into it after going behind. Kudus coming on really changed the game

[Zizu]

Get Ramsdale on bladdy fast !!!


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[Zizu]

Jorginho gets booked for a shirt pull but the City guy gets nothing for scything down Jesus from behind

I just don’t get it


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[Zizu]

That’s a straight red for Kovicic

That was far , far worse than Curtis Jones one !!



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[Swan]

It wasn't a straight red, but that challenge on Rice was a 2nd yellow.

[Zizu]

Another horrendous tackle by Kovicic !!

Ref says no foul !!


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[Zizu]

It wasn't a straight red, but that challenge on Rice was a 2nd yellow.


It was easily worse than the Jones red card


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[Zizu]

Inconsistent reffing and useless VAR is ruining our beautiful game


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[Zizu]

You just know that the ref will now send off an Arsenal player for an innocuous tackle and Kovicic will score a couple and City will win 4:0


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[Zizu]

Raya having another horror show ffs


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