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[arista]

There wasn't as I recall many happy times in 2019 as to politics.


I added before 2019.


Thanks for the Correction Joey

[arista]

Ch5HDnews

Had a asparagus thrower
lady in Bath.

She threw them

And asked who will win the Election

She Said Keir Starmer will not make it to the Election.


Spooky?

[Ammi]

…didn’t she also say that the election would be set for mid August so asparagus tips are not necessarily top tips in their accuracy…or the election was brought forward because the asparagus said yes to early July…?….

[arista]

…didn’t she also say that the election would be set for mid August so asparagus tips are not necessarily top tips in their accuracy…or the election was brought forward because the asparagus said yes to early July…?….


Not this lady

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ch5HDnews

Had a asparagus thrower
lady in Bath.

She threw them

And asked who will win the Election

She Said Keir Starmer will not make it to the Election.


Spooky?

Asparagus?

she could be a stalker

[Crimson Dynamo]

Independant "yooman rights leftist lawyer" standing for parliament who does not know what country he is in

the actual state of our politics due to Labour and Tony Blair

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GORdybEXoAAbavJ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour is still the party of Greta Thunberg, violent trans extremists and pro-Hamas
hate mobs

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/05/24/TELEMMGLPICT000299124020_17165636909800_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqRo0U4xU-30oDveS4pXV-Vv4Xpit_DMGvdp2n7FDd82k.jpeg?imwidth=700

since Labour is still refusing to tell us what it will actually do in office – despite the very real prospect of Sir Keir Starmer leading the UK in less than six week’s time – we must rely on what we know about the party’s instincts, its supporters, and what its leading figures have said in the past.

Starmer spent most of Friday morning insisting that he isn’t “tribal” in a bid to convince the electorate that he’s more Blair than Corbyn. But in the vein of a former director of public prosecutions, let’s examine the evidence. There’s a paginated bundle on the KC’s radical ideas and it paints a very worrying picture indeed for the future of Britain.

Exhibit one is Starmer’s launch video for his Labour leadership campaign. Released in January 2020, the footage could easily be mistaken for the trailer of a Ken Loach film starring Maxine Peake.

In it, Starmer and his supporters speak of their pride in the man who wants to be the next prime minister defending environmental activists, securing benefits for asylum seekers, and standing up for the trade unions. We are reminded that he was opposed to the Iraq war, battled to stop Brexit, and fought any attempt to “sell off” the NHS. He boasted of wanting to “stand up for the powerless against the powerful” with a “green new deal” and to “promote peace and justice around the world with a human rights-based foreign policy”.

Inviting Labour members to “unify around a radical programme”, he suggested that our economic model needed to be “rebuilt in place of the failed free market one”. He also called for a halt to the division in our country – before taking the knee five months later at the height of the Black Lives Matter protests.

He may have since distanced himself from these unashamedly Left-wing pledges, but as he said back then: “I’m a socialist.” All the flip-flopping in the world cannot change the fact that this man has only ever walked a progressive walk. Sure, he’s abandoned some of his more militant tendencies in the interests of political expediency, channelling his inner Marx (Groucho not Karl): “Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them... well, I have others.” But once a socialist, always a socialist.

It also isn’t true to say that he has completely changed his policy agenda since that video was released. With Starmer still seemingly confused over whether or not a woman can have a penis, Labour appears to be plotting to introduce gender self-identification by the back door.

Wes Streeting, the shadow health secretary, may have had second thoughts about his “trans women are women” mantra, but Anneliese Dodds, who is hoping to be the next secretary of state for women and equalities, has come up with the Sturgeonesque idea of allowing a single doctor to sign off a gender change. So much for the Cass Review.

Such is Starmer’s apparent contempt for his colleague Rosie Duffield, one of the only Labour MPs to speak out against this Stonewall-induced madness, he didn’t even invite her to his campaign launch in Kent, despite her being the party’s only MP in the county until Natalie Elphicke’s defection. Labour: the party of women, provided they think men can have cervixes.

Elsewhere we have David Lammy, who is hoping to be the next foreign secretary, showing himself to be completely unfit to hold one of the great offices of state by implicitly supporting the application by the International Criminal Court (ICC) to seek arrest warrants for two senior members of the Israeli government, including prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. In a win for the murderous terrorists of Hamas, Lammy has also jumped onto the bandwagon of backing the recognition of Palestinian statehood, following the knee-jerk, virtue-signalling example of Ireland, Spain and Norway.

It should hardly be surprising, since the Tottenham MP nominated Jeremy Corbyn, a former chairman of the Stop the War Coalition, for the Labour leadership in 2015, and refused to vote for the renewal of the Trident nuclear submarine fleet. He is now in the process of sucking up to Republicans in the US, having once undiplomatically denounced Donald Trump as a “neo-Nazi sympathising sociopath”. Presumably he thinks the Americans have short memories. But the electorate never forgets.

We are already witnessing Angela Rayner, the woman hoping to be the next deputy prime minister, caving in to pressure from the unions for a New Deal For Working People that could well bankrupt a great many of our small and medium-sized business, still recovering from Covid and the cost-of-living crisis. Up with the worker, but down with the employer that pays their wages, seems to be the Labour vibe, in spite of shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves’s guff about being the party of business.

Labour is pushing ahead with its politics of envy policy of adding VAT to private school fees, potentially forcing thousands of pupils into the state sector, with no extra class spaces to accommodate them. Meanwhile, Labour’s quest to decarbonise the grid by 2030 continues apace, despite confusion over how many billions it will cost the taxpayer – not to mention how on earth we will keep the lights on.

And that’s only to consider those few policies Labour has actually told us about. What will its instincts be in government? How capable will Starmer be of resisting the increasingly radical forces of the Left? Labour has already weakened its policy on Israel after a revolt among some of its voters. Which voters will it seek to appease next? Will it be the so-called centrists? Or will it be those attracted to the Greens and George Galloway’s Workers Party?

This is not 1997. The Labour offering is not moderate Blairism with the grown-ups in charge. Behind the outward facade of moderation, I fear that Labour will revert to the juvenile politics of idealistic but unrealistic university campuses. The politics of the kinds of people who chant “From the river to the sea” with little or no understanding of what it means. The politics of those who feel the need to state their pronouns and suggest that there are 72 different genders.

The politics of Greta Thunberg and the eco-ultras who think it’s legitimate to attack Magna Carta as part of an environmental protest. The politics of those who think nothing of turfing Colston’s statue into Bristol harbour, egged on by an organisation that wants to “defund the police”. The politics of those who want to apologise for this great nation’s history; who think we should bankrupt the country for net zero. The politics of those who advocate an open border policy; the very people who want to stop buses and flights from deporting migrants, even when they are convicted rapists.

The risk is that this is what a vote for Labour now represents: a vote for the eco-zealots, trans extremists and the pro-Hamas hate mobs. And if you think it’s bad now, just wait until these people are in office.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/24/labour-party-uk-general-election-keir-starmer-trans-hamas/

[Mystic Mock]

Instead of mudslinging Starmer, I would like to see the Tories fight him on policies.

I mean surely it can't be that hard to do? And if the Tories can't do that then we all know who should win the Election.

[Mystic Mock]

Labour is still the party of Greta Thunberg, violent trans extremists and pro-Hamas
hate mobs

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/05/24/TELEMMGLPICT000299124020_17165636909800_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqRo0U4xU-30oDveS4pXV-Vv4Xpit_DMGvdp2n7FDd82k.jpeg?imwidth=700

since Labour is still refusing to tell us what it will actually do in office – despite the very real prospect of Sir Keir Starmer leading the UK in less than six week’s time – we must rely on what we know about the party’s instincts, its supporters, and what its leading figures have said in the past.

Starmer spent most of Friday morning insisting that he isn’t “tribal” in a bid to convince the electorate that he’s more Blair than Corbyn. But in the vein of a former director of public prosecutions, let’s examine the evidence. There’s a paginated bundle on the KC’s radical ideas and it paints a very worrying picture indeed for the future of Britain.

Exhibit one is Starmer’s launch video for his Labour leadership campaign. Released in January 2020, the footage could easily be mistaken for the trailer of a Ken Loach film starring Maxine Peake.

In it, Starmer and his supporters speak of their pride in the man who wants to be the next prime minister defending environmental activists, securing benefits for asylum seekers, and standing up for the trade unions. We are reminded that he was opposed to the Iraq war, battled to stop Brexit, and fought any attempt to “sell off” the NHS. He boasted of wanting to “stand up for the powerless against the powerful” with a “green new deal” and to “promote peace and justice around the world with a human rights-based foreign policy”.

Inviting Labour members to “unify around a radical programme”, he suggested that our economic model needed to be “rebuilt in place of the failed free market one”. He also called for a halt to the division in our country – before taking the knee five months later at the height of the Black Lives Matter protests.

He may have since distanced himself from these unashamedly Left-wing pledges, but as he said back then: “I’m a socialist.” All the flip-flopping in the world cannot change the fact that this man has only ever walked a progressive walk. Sure, he’s abandoned some of his more militant tendencies in the interests of political expediency, channelling his inner Marx (Groucho not Karl): “Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them... well, I have others.” But once a socialist, always a socialist.

It also isn’t true to say that he has completely changed his policy agenda since that video was released. With Starmer still seemingly confused over whether or not a woman can have a penis, Labour appears to be plotting to introduce gender self-identification by the back door.

Wes Streeting, the shadow health secretary, may have had second thoughts about his “trans women are women” mantra, but Anneliese Dodds, who is hoping to be the next secretary of state for women and equalities, has come up with the Sturgeonesque idea of allowing a single doctor to sign off a gender change. So much for the Cass Review.

Such is Starmer’s apparent contempt for his colleague Rosie Duffield, one of the only Labour MPs to speak out against this Stonewall-induced madness, he didn’t even invite her to his campaign launch in Kent, despite her being the party’s only MP in the county until Natalie Elphicke’s defection. Labour: the party of women, provided they think men can have cervixes.

Elsewhere we have David Lammy, who is hoping to be the next foreign secretary, showing himself to be completely unfit to hold one of the great offices of state by implicitly supporting the application by the International Criminal Court (ICC) to seek arrest warrants for two senior members of the Israeli government, including prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. In a win for the murderous terrorists of Hamas, Lammy has also jumped onto the bandwagon of backing the recognition of Palestinian statehood, following the knee-jerk, virtue-signalling example of Ireland, Spain and Norway.

It should hardly be surprising, since the Tottenham MP nominated Jeremy Corbyn, a former chairman of the Stop the War Coalition, for the Labour leadership in 2015, and refused to vote for the renewal of the Trident nuclear submarine fleet. He is now in the process of sucking up to Republicans in the US, having once undiplomatically denounced Donald Trump as a “neo-Nazi sympathising sociopath”. Presumably he thinks the Americans have short memories. But the electorate never forgets.

We are already witnessing Angela Rayner, the woman hoping to be the next deputy prime minister, caving in to pressure from the unions for a New Deal For Working People that could well bankrupt a great many of our small and medium-sized business, still recovering from Covid and the cost-of-living crisis. Up with the worker, but down with the employer that pays their wages, seems to be the Labour vibe, in spite of shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves’s guff about being the party of business.

Labour is pushing ahead with its politics of envy policy of adding VAT to private school fees, potentially forcing thousands of pupils into the state sector, with no extra class spaces to accommodate them. Meanwhile, Labour’s quest to decarbonise the grid by 2030 continues apace, despite confusion over how many billions it will cost the taxpayer – not to mention how on earth we will keep the lights on.

And that’s only to consider those few policies Labour has actually told us about. What will its instincts be in government? How capable will Starmer be of resisting the increasingly radical forces of the Left? Labour has already weakened its policy on Israel after a revolt among some of its voters. Which voters will it seek to appease next? Will it be the so-called centrists? Or will it be those attracted to the Greens and George Galloway’s Workers Party?

This is not 1997. The Labour offering is not moderate Blairism with the grown-ups in charge. Behind the outward facade of moderation, I fear that Labour will revert to the juvenile politics of idealistic but unrealistic university campuses. The politics of the kinds of people who chant “From the river to the sea” with little or no understanding of what it means. The politics of those who feel the need to state their pronouns and suggest that there are 72 different genders.

The politics of Greta Thunberg and the eco-ultras who think it’s legitimate to attack Magna Carta as part of an environmental protest. The politics of those who think nothing of turfing Colston’s statue into Bristol harbour, egged on by an organisation that wants to “defund the police”. The politics of those who want to apologise for this great nation’s history; who think we should bankrupt the country for net zero. The politics of those who advocate an open border policy; the very people who want to stop buses and flights from deporting migrants, even when they are convicted rapists.

The risk is that this is what a vote for Labour now represents: a vote for the eco-zealots, trans extremists and the pro-Hamas hate mobs. And if you think it’s bad now, just wait until these people are in office.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/24/labour-party-uk-general-election-keir-starmer-trans-hamas/

They mentioned the dreaded word.

I honestly don't get why some people like to keep referencing Covid at every chance they get.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOaL-GJXsAAkGnp?format=jpg&name=small


As PM Sunak was getting Soaked
The press was not

[Oliver_W]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/22/20/85219143-13448925-image-a-33_1716407619853.jpg

Put a Tie on Tubby Starmer
There are only two good reasons to wear a tie.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They mentioned the dreaded word.

I honestly don't get why some people like to keep referencing Covid at every chance they get.

they mentioned the largest pandemic in the last 100 years once

what on earth are you on about?

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – I am one of those disillusioned Tory voters discussed in previous letters (May 24). I finally cancelled my membership when Rishi Sunak was forced upon us by MPs. The disdain shown for the party membership was the final straw.

What now? As I am blessed to live in a democracy in this increasingly autocratic world, I feel bound to vote, and I will. But for whom? I believe the rot set into the Conservative Party when David Cameron was elected leader over David Davis. I remember the conference that year, and my disbelief that members had been beguiled by the prospect of having found their own Tony Blair. Indeed they had, though not in the way they imagined. (It is indicative of the persistence of the rot that Lord Cameron – having predictably been ennobled – was brought back by the current Prime Minister.) Boris Johnson, however, was the biggest disappointment. His betrayal of one Conservative principle after another was eye-opening.

Labour under Sir Keir Starmer is, for me, a non-starter – a bad joke. Quite apart from Sir Keir’s past support for Jeremy Corbyn and his lack of consistent policies, why would I vote for a party whose deputy leader called me “scum”? I like the direction of Reform UK, but it will struggle to win even a handful of seats, if any. This would be a vote on principle – though, in practical terms, wasted.

If the Tory party as currently composed won by even a tiny majority, I would have to brace myself for the delusional arrogance of the One Nation “wets”. Nevertheless, I may have to pinch my nose and vote Conservative. I hate to reward 14 years of Tory lies and betrayal, yet the words of Lord Frost (Commentary, May 23) and other correspondents ring in my head, with their warnings of what Labour might do. What a dismal prospect.

Major Nigel Price (retd)
Wilmslow, Cheshire

[Mystic Mock]

they mentioned the largest pandemic in the last 100 years once

what on earth are you on about?

The Media love to bring it up every chance that they get, when some of us want to try and put it behind us.

That's what I'm on about.

[arista]

Sunak - Too Late
to start Army for all UK 18 year olds
you missed that you fool.

BBC News Text:
[Rishi Sunak has pledged to re-introduce
compulsory national service if it returns to power
in July's general election.
The story features on the front of the
Sunday Express and says every 18-year-old
would either have to serve full time
for one year in the armed forces,
or volunteer in their communities
for one weekend each month.]

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[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The latest on the general election campaign trail,
Labour's shadow chancellor
accuses Conservatives of making unfunded financial
commitments after calling a snap election.
Speaking to the paper Rachel Reeves said
the Tories’ tax pledges were reminiscent of
Liz Truss’s disastrous mini-budget.]


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[arista]

Labour will do the Sunak Smoking ban

[arista]

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[arista]

On Radio now

Adam Boulton : Times Radio Free online and DAB

Lewis Goodall : LBC

[The Slim Reaper]

On a separate note; does Reeves have the worst voice in politics?

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[The Slim Reaper]

Labour and tories aren't the same...

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOWk467XwAAQmZg?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

[Labour and tories aren't the same...]


Of course Slim
but down the road
Labour can change all this

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

whenever you see James Cleverly being sent to media outlets to explain the government position on a topic, you know the game is up. Does anyone remember him being shoved out when Boris and Liz got the boot? :laugh:

All the other tories would be saying you want me to go on the news and explain that? £$%$ off :laugh:

[arista]

All Labour MP's
keep saying The Conservatives are Fast & Loose

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

One For Slim................

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[arista]

Starmer Goes Live at 10AM
today on Bank Holiday Monday.

[Mystic Mock]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOWk467XwAAQmZg?format=jpg&name=small

That guy has good taste in Ice Cream.

[bots]

within a couple of weeks, people will be completely hacked off with hearing about the election. There is nothing on offer from anyone that is inspiring. There is nothing on offer that removes the dark cloud hanging over europe. The reason for this is that world events are driving the narrative. Political parties in the UK really have little ability to change any of that and everyone knows it

In what world in the past 30 years would any political party be suggesting that we introduce some form of national service and expect to win an election :laugh:

At this point, i actually think the tories are trolling the GBP. It may be inevitable that some form of national service is necessary, but no party in their right mind would think that was an election winning proposal :laugh:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOinI2IXgAAAeo6?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Starmer is in West Sussex
Live 10AM

[arista]

Starmer now Live


His background again


West Suseex
Red screen behind him.


SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
Radio 5
Times Radio Live

[arista]

His gang of clappers

Stop clapping

[arista]

Good

he is now taking Press Questions


Starmer,
got one Question on Gaza
by Ch4HDnews.

But all he said
was,
it is wrong?

[arista]

Starmer was asked can him
win East Worthing?

Starmer said : Yes.


One Reporter is called Anita
she never said who with.

Asking about Education Fee's

Starmer stated the NHS is more important.

[arista]

Starmer has Concluded
in Lancing, West Sussex.

[Gusto Brunt]

There was a Lib Dem spokesman on the radio today saying how the Lib Dems will spend big money on providing 8,000 new doctors.

Asked how it will all be paid for, the woman didn't have a clue.

What is the point of this election claptrap we hear and see every day. There are only two parties who can get into government. The remainder are just dreamers wasting their time and mine.

And I don't know about you but Richard Tice gives me the creeps. He WON'T win in the seat he is fighting for. Totally deluded.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/01/12/TELEMMGLPICT000362187401_17050838527850_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqquIyQjlsq9p2NQkR_PXpiU8FchWZRD3tSYOiRwPjWD o.jpeg?imwidth=680

[arista]

Some presenters are not up to date
saying the Conservatives need 200 new candidates.

Today they need 160 in 12 days.

Times Radio DAB

[joeysteele]

There was a Lib Dem spokesman on the radio today saying how the Lib Dems will spend big money on providing 8,000 new doctors.

Asked how it will all be paid for, the woman didn't have a clue.

What is the point of this election claptrap we hear and see every day. There are only two parties who can get into government. The remainder are just dreamers wasting their time and mine.

And I don't know about you but Richard Tice gives me the creeps. He WON'T win in the seat he is fighting for. Totally deluded.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/01/12/TELEMMGLPICT000362187401_17050838527850_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqquIyQjlsq9p2NQkR_PXpiU8FchWZRD3tSYOiRwPjWD o.jpeg?imwidth=680


I can totally agree with you on Richard Tice.
Something about him I've never been able to take to.

He's just someone I'd prefer to avoid

[arista]

All 3 Busses for Conservative, Labour & LibDem

All have 3 Reporters on each bus

SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
GBnewsHD


None for Reform UK

[bots]

I can totally agree with you on Richard Tice.
Something about him I've never been able to take to.

He's just someone I'd prefer to avoid

Tice tries very hard to hide the type of person he really is, but he fails miserably

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can totally agree with you on Richard Tice.
Something about him I've never been able to take to.

He's just someone I'd prefer to avoid

Yet you stated yesterday you like Diane Abbott?

:umm2:

[joeysteele]

Yet you stated yesterday you like Diane Abbott?

:umm2:

So????

I said I did like Abbott particularly when she was with Michael Portillo on Andrew Neill's late night show.

I also said I wasn't sure she should continue as an MP.

Her views are a World away from Richard Tice's more racist type views.
Just like his friend Farage's.

I couldn't ever vote for UKIP, Brexit or Reform Party
They've had those 3 different names but still the far right extreme kind of Parties I've no time for .

I care too much about people and the NHS.
To ever look at Tice and his extreme cronies.

I note you jump on me.
While ignoring Gusto's comments plus Bots too.
As usual.

You appear to have a possibly very unhealthy interest in my politics.
I'm under no illusion whatsoever that you see me as an extreme left wing waste of space.
Never usually right.

That doesn't bother me one bit Just as your praise for hard right Parties and politicians is of not the slightest interest to me.

It's your view and I have mine .

[joeysteele]

Tice tries very hard to hide the type of person he really is, but he fails miserably

He does Indeed.

He tries to hide a lot of his rather unsavoury extreme thinking too.

[joeysteele]

All 3 Busses for Conservative, Labour & LibDem

All have 3 Reporters on each bus

SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
GBnewsHD


None for Reform UK

Well really Reform have no seats and MPs so don't warrant any special treatment.

Hopefully come July 5th they'll still have no seats and MPs.
Although it's surprising the awful GBNEWS channel hasn't anyone with them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So????

I said I did like Abbott particularly when she was with Michael Portillo on Andrew Neill's late night show.

I also said I wasn't sure she should continue as an MP.

Her views are a World away from Richard Tice's more racist type views.
Just like his friend Farage's.

I couldn't ever vote for UKIP, Brexit or Reform Party
They've had those 3 different names but still the far right extreme kind of Parties I've no time for .

I care too much about people and the NHS.
To ever look at Tice and his extreme cronies.

I note you jump on me.
While ignoring Gusto's comments plus Bots too.
As usual.

You appear to have a possibly very unhealthy interest in my politics.
I'm under no illusion whatsoever that you see me as an extreme left wing waste of space.
Never usually right.

That doesn't bother me one bit Just as your praise for hard right Parties and politicians is of not the slightest interest to me.

It's your view and I have mine .

name one thing that is racist that Tice has said?

[arista]

Conservative Lucy Allan MP now Suspended


[Conservative Lucy Allan is supporting a Reform UK Alan Adams

[I am supporting Alan Adams to be Telford’s next MP.
If you want to help Alan or donate
to his campaign, sign up on his website http://alanadams.co.uk]

Her tweet
https://x.com/lucyallan/status/1795110435655463196


She is The MP for Telford
https://members.parliament.uk/member/4411/contact]

[joeysteele]

name one thing that is racist that Tice has said?

So I'm not rising to your bait.

Farage is absolutely more racist and xenophobic in my view.
Tice supports Farage wholeheartedly and has much the same thinking on immigration and other cultures Farage has.

Now you can throw that out as a waste of space left wingers views.
However I heard and I saw their more like racism and xenophobia in the Brexit campaign.

Now I suggest instead of always in the main just jumping on myself.
Ask bots and others who have no time for Tice and his extreme hard right Reform Party.
You may get more of argument you're looking for there.

I do my very best to ignore more Tice and Reform because of how extreme they likely are.

So in reality you and I will never agree on politics or in fact on just about anything.
So it's pointless to even engage with each other on this issue.
In my view and with respect.
Have a good day.

[bots]

There is no evidence that reform have any traction at all

[Denver]

Well really Reform have no seats and MPs so don't warrant any special treatment.

Hopefully come July 5th they'll still have no seats and MPs.
Although it's surprising the awful GBNEWS channel hasn't anyone with them.

Remember when Nigel Farage expected the party to bring in multiple seats last time? Yea there isn't really an appetite for Reform unless you are racist or a bigot

[joeysteele]

Conservative Lucy Allan MP now Suspended


[Conservative Lucy Allan is supporting a Reform UK Alan Adams

[I am supporting Alan Adams to be Telford’s next MP.
If you want to help Alan or donate
to his campaign, sign up on his website http://alanadams.co.uk]

Her tweet
https://x.com/lucyallan/status/1795110435655463196


She is The MP for Telford
https://members.parliament.uk/member/4411/contact]

Oh dear me how.:joker:

I have to go and see someone now but honestly arista.
Labour hardly needs to say or do much at present..

Sunak's MPs and Party are doing enough to damage him.it seems

We've got that awful Berwick MP Anne-Marie Trevelyan now saying that parents of 18 year olds could be fined if their sons/daughters don't agree and do the so called National Service.

[joeysteele]

Remember when Nigel Farage expected the party to bring in multiple seats last time? Yea there isn't really an appetite for Reform unless you are racist or a bigot

I do agree Denver.

That's how I see Reform too, despite Tice trying and failing to present them as anything worthwhile.

[Crimson Dynamo]

remember when nigel farage expected the party to bring in multiple seats last time? Yea there isn't really an appetite for reform unless you are racist or a bigot

what an immature comment

[arista]

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[arista]

Update

Conservative Lucy Allan MP now Suspended


Sunak has now Expelled her.

SkyNewsHD Paper Review

[Crimson Dynamo]

So I'm not rising to your bait.

Farage is absolutely more racist and xenophobic in my view.
Tice supports Farage wholeheartedly and has much the same thinking on immigration and other cultures Farage has.

Now you can throw that out as a waste of space left wingers views.
However I heard and I saw their more like racism and xenophobia in the Brexit campaign.

Now I suggest instead of always in the main just jumping on myself.
Ask bots and others who have no time for Tice and his extreme hard right Reform Party.
You may get more of argument you're looking for there.

I do my very best to ignore more Tice and Reform because of how extreme they likely are.

So in reality you and I will never agree on politics or in fact on just about anything.
So it's pointless to even engage with each other on this issue.
In my view and with respect.
Have a good day.

you cant

so stop throwing the race card around

its irresponsible and embarrassing

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Rishi is just coming across as desperate with all of these fake policies.

Or shall I say deeply controversial in the National Service case.

If he just calmed down, and came out with popular policies (that he can actually achieve) then he'd probably close the gap on Starmer.

[joeysteele]

you cant

so stop throwing the race card around

its irresponsible and embarrassing

I can and have

Someone is certainly looking embarrassing but it ain't me.

It wouldn't matter how many times anytime that believed Farage, Tice and Reform were more of racist and xenophobic tendencies.
The fact is you'd never agree.
Your irrational hate of all that are left of politics clouds judgement.

Quite frankly why you persist in responding to myself when others make the same inferences is a bit of a mystery.
I RARELY or even never respond to you on anything REALLY.
So I can only assume it's more possibly you just getting at me personally.now for some reason.

It is mystifying.
Because you and I would rarely if ever agree on anything.
Something I took on board years ago really .
So I choose not to waste much of my time.
It's just wearying.

[user104658]

you cant

so stop throwing the race card around

its irresponsible and embarrassing

Bright thought of the day: "I can't get infractions for racism if I get everyone to stop acknowledging racism".

I'm afraid no one is going to stop but don't worry LT, no one is giving you any infractions :joker:. I think you have what they call "plot armour". You really don't have to worry.

[arista]

Sunak was Live doing a Q & A


Stoke & Trent.


SyNewsHD Live


Churchill China Factory

[arista]

Now Concluded

[arista]

Lee Anderson MP
is going to be on Politics Live
now on BBC2HD Live

[arista]

Rachel Reeves MP
was at an Aeroplane Depot
Massive engine painted black, behind her.
Talking about her business Labour Plan.

Looked like the Film "Brazil"

by Terry Gilliam

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[bots]

Police have dropped the investigation into Angela ...... That's a shock :laugh:

[arista]

Police have dropped the investigation into Angela ...... That's a shock :laugh:


She gets away with it

[arista]

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[bots]

It means by 2030, pensioners could get an extra £200 a year. That will go a long way :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Police have dropped the investigation into Angela ...... That's a shock :laugh:

No.
They've investigated fully and throughly.

Their conclusion is the same as hers.
There's NOTHING to take any further action on.

They haven't dropped the investigation they've concluded it .
I hadn't any doubt hard-line Con supporters would try to twist that, however they've found nothing to take more action on, AFTER completing that investigation.

Perhaps the police could look at investigating James Daly MP and the Daily Mail for wasting in effect police time.
I doubt hard-line Cons will agree with that however.

How disappointed they must be with this announcement then.

[joeysteele]

She gets away with it

Gets away with what exactly.

Have you seen her documents which the police will have thoroughly scrutinised and investigated

Are you setting out to slander her still even after a full and extensive police investigation.

[bots]

No.
They've investigated fully and throughly.

Their conclusion is the same as hers.
There's NOTHING to take any further action on.

They haven't dropped the investigation they've concluded it .
I hadn't any doubt hard-line Con supporters would try to twist that, however they've found nothing to take more action on, AFTER completing that investigation.

Perhaps the police could look at investigating James Daly MP and the Daily Mail for wasting in effect police time.
I doubt hard-line Cons will agree with that however.

How disappointed they must be with this announcement then.

how do you know she was investigated fully and thoroughly? The same was said about Jimmy Saville a few years ago

[joeysteele]

how do you know she was investigated fully and thoroughly? The same was said about Jimmy Saville a few years ago

Because the police statement states they did a full investigation.

Honestly you're now comparing this to Jimmy Savilles issues.

Honestly hard-line Cons never give up do they???
So you're still publicly accusing her, on this public forum of doing criminally wrong and not accepting the police investigation.
REALLY !!!
Wow to that.

[bots]

Because the police statement states they did a full investigation.

Honestly you're now comparing this to Jimmy Savilles issues.

Honestly hard-line Cons never give up do they???
So you're still publicly accusing her of doing criminally wrong and not accepting the police investigation.
REALLY !!!
Wow to that.

i'm pointing out that the police dropped several investigations into Jimmy Saville, telling the public that there were no grounds to it.

The police haven't exactly got a stellar record over recent times, and it is pretty convenient that they drop the investigation in the run up to an election.

Given all that, are you saying i shouldn't be allowed to question the integrity of the police? Because i think their integrity should be questioned at every turn, and i'm not going to change that view.

If you would rather i pick more recent events, how about Sarah Everard, where the police actually investigated and had photographic evidence of him exposing himself and chose not to investigate further.

So when it comes to questioning the voracity of the police ..... i will continue to do so until they start showing some actual evidence that they are capable of doing a proper job

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because the police statement states they did a full investigation.

Honestly you're now comparing this to Jimmy Savilles issues.

Honestly hard-line Cons never give up do they???
So you're still publicly accusing her, on this public forum of doing criminally wrong and not accepting the police investigation.
REALLY !!!
Wow to that.

Why are you calling Bots a hard-line conservative when nothing he has ever posted suggests this?

[joeysteele]

i'm pointing out that the police dropped several investigations into Jimmy Saville, telling the public that there were no grounds to it.

The police haven't exactly got a stellar record over recent times, and it is pretty convenient that they drop the investigation in the run up to an election.

Given all that, are you saying i shouldn't be allowed to question the integrity of the police? Because i think their integrity should be questioned at every turn, and i'm not going to change that view.

If you would rather i pick more recent events, how about Sarah Everard, where the police actually investigated and had photographic evidence of him exposing himself and chose not to investigate further.

So when it comes to questioning the voracity of the police ..... i will continue to do so until they start showing some actual evidence that they are capable of doing a proper job

I just wonder what your response would be if Raynor had been a Con.

The Police saw nothing wrong the first time.
They were pushed to look at it again.
They have .
They've now seen all her private documents and have concluded there's nothing there to take action on.

Now you can dismiss the police and infer she has done criminally wrong.
Even in light of all that.
That's fine, it's clear strong Con supporters unless it comes down on their side, don't respect the Police and law possibly.

That's fine then.

[joeysteele]

Anyhow, I'm pleased that Angela Raynor has this cloud lifted although she's always maintained she hadn't done anything wrong anyway and followed all the legal and financial advice she requested at the time.
Which the police will have seen and scrutinised.

Good luck to her from a HARD-LINE Labour supporter and member, namely myself.
This is good news for her today.

[arista]

Starmer with Rachel Reeves,
Live in Herts

Airbus Factory.

One Young Worker Asked Starmer
about the Pay,
as in USA and Germany, they earn more.


Rachel said the Apprenticeship Level needs to go up.


On all TV 3 News channels

[Cherie]

Raynors case hasn't been dropped per se, the Police have just lumped it over to HMRC and the Council, not sure why the would do that if they fully investigated it and found nothing :shrug:

[Cherie]

The SNP say they are the party to vote for as they will concentrate on Scotland, like have they ever done anything else, imagine any other party coming out with that line, they would be trounced :laugh:

[Liam-]

The Tories love using the police as their own personal propaganda force, what with ‘curry gate’ and now this, forcing the police to investigate their opponents multiple times for farcical reasons, it’s politics at its worst

[Crimson Dynamo]

The SNP say they are the party to vote for as they will concentrate on Scotland, like have they ever done anything else, imagine any other party coming out with that line, they would be trounced :laugh:

"The SNP say they are the party to vote for as they will concentrate on Scotland"

they spend all their time spouting on about "Palestine" thousands of miles away

absolute wallopers

[arista]

Now Newsnight is 32mins.


Some of the Sacked presenters are now part of The Verify
Election team on BBCnewsHD

all day they show a reporter
going onto Big Screen sections.
With ex Newsnight team.

Yes BBC news
burn all that money I and Others
send you each month

[arista]

One new Poll
had Starmer at 15% ahead

Today it is 12%

Live debate LBC Andrew Marr

[bots]

"The SNP say they are the party to vote for as they will concentrate on Scotland"

they spend all their time spouting on about "Palestine" thousands of miles away

absolute wallopers

they have done so well with the NHS etc, their record speaks for itself :laugh:

I actually think that labour might get a shock in Scotland and find that it is the tories that pick up the most seats from the SNP. Scotland has never followed england like sheep with their politics

[smudgie]

It means by 2030, pensioners could get an extra £200 a year. That will go a long way :laugh:

Extra £900 a year this year, keeping the triple lock, plus the extra tax allowance can only be a good thing…for pensioners.
Hoping it carries on this way.

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Raynors case hasn't been dropped per se, the Police have just lumped it over to HMRC and the Council, not sure why the would do that if they fully investigated it and found nothing :shrug:

Because if she has done anything wrong, I'm going to guess that the sum isn't that huge for the Police to take that seriously.

[Mystic Mock]

The Tories love using the police as their own personal propaganda force, what with ‘curry gate’ and now this, forcing the police to investigate their opponents multiple times for farcical reasons, it’s politics at its worst

What's curry gate?

[Mystic Mock]

they have done so well with the NHS etc, their record speaks for itself :laugh:

I actually think that labour might get a shock in Scotland and find that it is the tories that pick up the most seats from the SNP. Scotland has never followed england like sheep with their politics

The majority of Scotland won't touch the Tories.

They've never let go of the 80's.

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[joeysteele]

Because if she has done anything wrong, I'm going to guess that the sum isn't that huge for the Police to take that seriously.

No Mock
The reason it was referred to the Council and HMRC is that's not the part of the issue the police would normally deal with.

However, the Council nor HMRC also see no action to take .

It won't stop the smears though.
The Cons either hate or fear Angela Raynor so will look for anything at all to attempt to discredit her.

It's a pity she wouldn't set out to prosecute those who falsely accuse her of things.
If she did of course, then she'd be attacked for being spiteful and vindictive from those who intensely dislike her.

There was nothing here.
Even if anything had been incorrect.
She took Independent legal and financial advice on going about this sale.
Which she followed to the letter.

So it would have more likely been the advice was wrong but it's been found that it wasn't wrong and neither is she.
Pure and simple.
Much to the Cons smouldering frustration to discredit her.

[Kazanne]

Joey, maybe you can answer this, Starmer wants to get NHS appointment waiting lists down which is good,but how can he do that if as we are told they are short of staff ? they can only deal with what they are dealing with now, so how will that be possible ?

[bots]

Joey, maybe you can answer this, Starmer wants to get NHS appointment waiting lists down which is good,but how can he do that if as we are told they are short of staff ? they can only deal with what they are dealing with now, so how will that be possible ?

It's not possible unless you remove people from lists

[Mystic Mock]

No Mock
The reason it was referred to the Council and HMRC is that's not the part of the issue the police would normally deal with.

However, the Council nor HMRC also see no action to take .

It won't stop the smears though.
The Cons either hate or fear Angela Raynor so will look for anything at all to attempt to discredit her.

It's a pity she wouldn't set out to prosecute those who falsely accuse her of things.
If she did of course, then she'd be attacked for being spiteful and vindictive from those who intensely dislike her.

There was nothing here.
Even if anything had been incorrect.
She took Independent legal and financial advice on going about this sale.
Which she followed to the letter.

So it would have more likely been the advice was wrong but it's been found that it wasn't wrong and neither is she.
Pure and simple.
Much to the Cons smouldering frustration to discredit her.

I agree with you personally.

I'm just thinking on the off chance that there is even an offence that she might've committed, I'm gathering that it would've been minor, as like you've said yourself Joey, the Police have struggled to find anything on her.

[Mystic Mock]

Joey, maybe you can answer this, Starmer wants to get NHS appointment waiting lists down which is good,but how can he do that if as we are told they are short of staff ? they can only deal with what they are dealing with now, so how will that be possible ?

He'll have to try and find a way of creating new jobs at the NHS would be my guess.

Joey will definitely have the better answer though.:laugh:

[joeysteele]

Joey, maybe you can answer this, Starmer wants to get NHS appointment waiting lists down which is good,but how can he do that if as we are told they are short of staff ? they can only deal with what they are dealing with now, so how will that be possible ?

Yes I'll try to in a small way hopefully Kazanne.:wavey:

I think you'll recall when Mr ugh Blair won in 1997.
He started to get the then waiting lists down by bringing in private sources.
This is Streeting's plan too to help with that.

I'm pleased too that Wes Streeting realises that major reform of the NHS will be necessary.
Not to break it's core founding of care free at the point of need.
However to make more of the resources already in place which are not being used more efficiently.

Plus, he's looking to have weekend working too, which will help considerably in dealing with the backlog in conjunction too with the private input too.

That's the starting point and sorry I was only 5 when this was done from 1997.
However it had a big impact on the then high waiting list that had built up to 1997.

I think too, and he's rightly said even today, he cannot give the Junior Doctors anything like 35% on wages.
However he will meet regularly and negotiate across the board on all their concerns not just pay.

Myself, I believe he can then just with those things, start to substantially bring down the waiting lists.
It's scandalous to me that elderly people are on the list for operations for cataracts, knee and hip operations for a year and in many cases years.

Plus too, digressing now, if Streeting's looking for ideas to fully reform the NHS .
Then if I was him, I'd start by phasing out the parasitical trust management set up.
Get back to something like Matrons running hospitals.

Those trust managers and their endless number of admin staff for them.
Contribute not a single thing to hands on care.
I'd rather see them replaced by new Doctors and Nurses.
That's what I'd like to see.

It's not going to be easy and I don't want to get party political with you because I know you genuinely believe in the Conservatives and respect that.

However the confrontational attitude towards Junior Doctors and the lip service to the NHS as to how great it is, is NOT going to do much to bring down waiting lists.

Hope I've said some little thing to help answer your query there Kazanne :wavey:

[bots]

they are in some circumstances already taking weekend appointments. This is easiest if it doesn't require a senior consultant in attendance. I've attended a hospital appointment at 7pm on a Sunday night .... it came as quite a surprise :laugh:

They can use private resources when they have free slots, but again, i believe they are already doing this. I've always been seen in nhs facilities so i can't say for sure, it probably relates more to the treatment required.

I hear all these bad things about the NHS, and my experience is that GP surgeries are a mess, but, i have found NHS hospitals and staff to be quite wonderful and i have attended 4 hospitals in my region.

It very much depends on your ailment I think, but I can't speak highly enough from my personal experience

[joeysteele]

they are in some circumstances already taking weekend appointments. This is easiest if it doesn't require a senior consultant in attendance. I've attended a hospital appointment at 7pm on a Sunday night .... it came as quite a surprise :laugh:

They can use private resources when they have free slots, but again, i believe they are already doing this. I've always been seen in nhs facilities so i can't say for sure, it probably relates more to the treatment required.

I hear all these bad things about the NHS, and my experience is that GP surgeries are a mess, but, i have found NHS hospitals and staff to be quite wonderful and i have attended 4 hospitals in my region.

It very much depends on your ailment I think, but I can't speak highly enough from my personal experience

Very little of that is actually being done.

That's why Steeting intends to invest more innit to make it work faster and effectively.

Plus yes, there's reasonably good areas for the NHS in the Country but most areas are struggling dangerously.
To ignore that and carry on as it is would be more disastrous.

The other thing Wes Streeting needs to get to work on is social care.
To get people back in their homes to free up the hospital beds.
I know he's looking at that.
Which is more than the Cons have in 14 years.
Or the Lib Dems in their 5 years of shared power.
When social care policies were dumped

[arista]

Sunak in Cornwall

He went by train.........................

[MTVN]

There's going to be an ITV debate on Tues at 9pm

[arista]

There's going to be an ITV debate on Tues at 9pm


["Sunak v Starmer: The ITV Debate"
will be moderated by journalist Julie Etchingham
and will take place live in front of a studio audience.]


Yes I updated my TV debate thread title

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=391281

[arista]

Starmer and Streeting

Both Live in a West Midlands hospital

all 3 News channels.

[Gusto Brunt]

I've been studying a few of the Labour MPs who will be in the Cabinet if elected as a government,

Wes Streeting impresses me. :)

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He's clearly sharp, and intelligent. THAT is rare among MPs.

He makes that dunce Jeremy Hunt look even more like the dunce he is.:joker:

[arista]

How Nice,
for you Gusto

[bots]

i won't be watching any debate. Really, what's the point

[arista]

i won't be watching any debate. Really, what's the point


Live Audiences can get Angry at Starmer

[bots]

Live Audiences can get Angry at Starmer

and that's interesting?

[Livia]

I'm with Bots... I'm totally sick of it already.

[arista]

and that's interesting?


It can be....

[arista]

I'm with Bots... I'm totally sick of it already.


I understand that
as it is like Ed Davey
yesterday fell in the water 5 times,
just to get on the news.


He even admitted
he was doing that

[Livia]

I understand that
as it is like Ed Davey
yesterday fell in the water 5 times,
just to get on the news.


He even admitted
he was doing that

I know... I felt embarrassed for him.

[smudgie]

.

No debates for me.
It’s all waffle and lies.
Ed Davey is a ruddy clown, he does these stunts at every opportunity, can’t take him seriously I think.

[Kazanne]

Yes I'll try to in a small way hopefully Kazanne.:wavey:

I think you'll recall when Mr ugh Blair won in 1997.
He started to get the then waiting lists down by bringing in private sources.
This is Streeting's plan too to help with that.

I'm pleased too that Wes Streeting realises that major reform of the NHS will be necessary.
Not to break it's core founding of care free at the point of need.
However to make more of the resources already in place which are not being used more efficiently.

Plus, he's looking to have weekend working too, which will help considerably in dealing with the backlog in conjunction too with the private input too.

That's the starting point and sorry I was only 5 when this was done from 1997.
However it had a big impact on the then high waiting list that had built up to 1997.

I think too, and he's rightly said even today, he cannot give the Junior Doctors anything like 35% on wages.
However he will meet regularly and negotiate across the board on all their concerns not just pay.

Myself, I believe he can then just with those things, start to substantially bring down the waiting lists.
It's scandalous to me that elderly people are on the list for operations for cataracts, knee and hip operations for a year and in many cases years.

Plus too, digressing now, if Streeting's looking for ideas to fully reform the NHS .
Then if I was him, I'd start by phasing out the parasitical trust management set up.
Get back to something like Matrons running hospitals.

Those trust managers and their endless number of admin staff for them.
Contribute not a single thing to hands on care.
I'd rather see them replaced by new Doctors and Nurses.
That's what I'd like to see.

It's not going to be easy and I don't want to get party political with you because I know you genuinely believe in the Conservatives and respect that.

However the confrontational attitude towards Junior Doctors and the lip service to the NHS as to how great it is, is NOT going to do much to bring down waiting lists.

Hope I've said some little thing to help answer your query there Kazanne :wavey:


Thankyou Joey . I am undecided at the moment as to who to vote for , but I am agreeing with you in the fact that some of the old style NHS would be better (matrons etc) also i think those at the top should be overhauled. I do think a lot is wasted, I wish you luck with your campaign,exciting times for you x:wavey:

[joeysteele]

Thankyou Joey . I am undecided at the moment as to who to vote for , but I am agreeing with you in the fact that some of the old style NHS would be better (matrons etc) also i think those at the top should be overhauled. I do think a lot is wasted, I wish you luck with your campaign,exciting times for you x:wavey:

Aw thank you Kazanne.
A lot of hard work coming up, as you say exciting times for me at last in an election :joker:

However, I know politics is volatile, so anything can happen in a week or two never mind 5 weeks.

I do think the NHS was better decades ago.
I wasn't around obviously, however it looks to me that more like in the 50s to 70s the answers were there and we had them as to the NHS.

Now we're left with only the questions about it again.
That's REALLY concerning.

All my best and thinking of you Kazanne :wavey:

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[arista]

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[user104658]

i won't be watching any debate. Really, what's the point

It is genuinely a waste of time, watching a bunch of fully grown men and women spinning fairytales about what the country will look like if they're elected. Less than 10% of it ever actually happens.

[user104658]

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The thing is, only about 1/3 of these are actually contradictory statements they're just being framed that way. It's not great that he's made any at all of course.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

PM Sunak


Now Live in Buckinghamshire Factory

All 3 News

[arista]

He just said Rwanda?

But he must win the General Election
for that to work.................



Now attacking Starmer

[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Starmers New New labour

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Last Week

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[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

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Is that when Rishi was talking about Mickey Mouse Degrees?

[arista]

Former Conservative MP Julian Knight


Now standing as an independent


[A former Tory MP has announced that he will stand
against the party at the election in a fresh headache
for Rishi Sunak.

Julian Knight, who was suspended from the party
following a police investigation
into sexual assault allegation,
said he will run as an independent.]

6 mins ago

[user104658]

Is that when Rishi was talking about Mickey Mouse Degrees?

:joker: There's no way that wasn't done on purpose.

[The Slim Reaper]

Labour in absolutely no danger, so there is no need for false choices, and no need to hold our noses to vote for them to get the Tories out. Vote with your consciences

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[joeysteele]

Mel Stride of the Cons must have a political season ticket.
He's been all over TV the last few days.

[Oliver_W]

Labour in absolutely no danger, so there is no need for false choices, and no need to hold our noses to vote for them to get the Tories out. Vote with your consciences

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As much as I don't like the Greens (not green enough) I don't much like any of them, and my local Green candidate is brilliant, she used to be our mayor.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GO2WYz4X0AAeZH0?format=jpg&name=small
:joker:

That's terrifying. Why does it make him look like an old lady?

[user104658]

Labour in absolutely no danger, so there is no need for false choices, and no need to hold our noses to vote for them to get the Tories out. Vote with your consciences

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If that's anywhere close to accurate it's a pretty worrying picture... any government with next to no opposition is never going to be a great thing.

[user104658]

ANother thing I previously thought unimaginable: in theory, if the LibDems start to be seen as the largest opposition party, when people want Labour out we could feasibly see a LibDem Westminster government within (some of our) lifetimes. Wild. I wouldn't go as far as to say likely, but feasible.

[bots]

I still believe it will be a lot closer, it wouldn't surprise me if the public were trolling the polls. I don't have anything concrete to base it on, just a gut feeling. I remember back to the Tony Blair win when there was a sense of public optimism that was palpable for a Blair win. Everyone was uplifted. It doesn't feel anything like that this time

Even with the Boris win, there was the great will and optimism to "get brexit done". There isn't a sniff of a similar effect this time round

[The Slim Reaper]

As much as I don't like the Greens (not green enough) I don't much like any of them, and my local Green candidate is brilliant, she used to be our mayor.


:joker:

That's terrifying. Why does it make him look like an old lady?

People accuse the left of purity tests (and there is some truth in that tbh), but this is the biggest purity test of them all. You're a single issue voter, and you're holding out for a standard that is just impossible to match.

I will be voting Green because they're the only party with a vision for Britain that is progressive, and not a continuance of the race to the bottom nonsense being spouted by Boris Starmer.

[The Slim Reaper]

ANother thing I previously thought unimaginable: in theory, if the LibDems start to be seen as the largest opposition party, when people want Labour out we could feasibly see a LibDem Westminster government within (some of our) lifetimes. Wild. I wouldn't go as far as to say likely, but feasible.

Tories have the backing of the media. They will lose 2 generals and then be back in power, but next time they will be completely full of Lee Andersons, Suella Bravermans, and Jonathon Gullis'. Starmers failure to tackle inequality over his 2 terms will put the country in a very dangerous place in 10 years time.

[joeysteele]

I can't see that result or the polls remaining at that level.

Then again Braverman did say if things stay as they are then the Cons would be lucky to have any seats in an election.
I still doubt a result like that in that polling though.

I've been out canvassing but not in a strong way.
However and this is no way scientific or likely a universal trend.
I was talking to 5 people in depth today.
In a street I know from past canvassing was usually solid Con.
3 were Sisters in the same house, then 2 others in said street.
All usually vote Conservative.
None will be this time.

The 3 Sisters are going Lib Dem., I of the others to Labour and the other not sure yet but not Conservative.
They've stopped listening to Sunak.
They don't like him and don't trust him.
They think Starmer boring.

However while not now voting Conservative, none of them care who gets in to government in this election as long as it's not Sunak and the Conservatives.

Their votes will be going not FOR the other Parties they will be voting for because they really like them but because they will be just solidly voting against Sunak and the Conservatives.

I found the discussion really interesting.
The 3 Sisters had voted for the Conservative party since 1979.
Now definitely will not be.

[bots]

i think people that don't want to vote tory and are reluctantly looking at lib dems and labour will end up not voting. I can see it being a low turn out, but i don't know who that favours

[Oliver_W]

You're a single issue voter, and you're holding out for a standard that is just impossible to match.
:joker:
Fair point, as you say I can't see any of the parties actually meeting the standards I'm hoping for, so may as well vote for the least-bad. I didn't even realise Emily was running for our MP until yesterday. She's made me quite a bit less likely to just spoil my ballot.

I can't see that result or the polls remaining at that level.

Don't forget the "Shy Tory Effect", which could affect more polls than that one.

[arista]

Chris Ward
is now going to be the new Labour MP
in Kemptown Brighton

As Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP
has been removed by Starmer.

Something he did or said 8 years ago.


Starmer saved that for Now
Sneaky.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5114q1x09eo

[Mystic Mock]

If that's anywhere close to accurate it's a pretty worrying picture... any government with next to no opposition is never going to be a great thing.

I agree.

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[Labour leader Keir Starmer "seeks to win from the
centre ground",
promising to "create wealth", it says.]

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[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

I still believe it will be a lot closer, it wouldn't surprise me if the public were trolling the polls. I don't have anything concrete to base it on, just a gut feeling. I remember back to the Tony Blair win when there was a sense of public optimism that was palpable for a Blair win. Everyone was uplifted. It doesn't feel anything like that this time

Even with the Boris win, there was the great will and optimism to "get brexit done". There isn't a sniff of a similar effect this time round

The only thing that you're not taking into account is just how much the public despise Sunak.

In particular the fact that the general public nor the Tory voters wanted him as their leader, but was installed as the countries leader against most people's wishes, really hasn't helped his popularity.

[bots]

The only thing that you're not taking into account is just how much the public despise Sunak.

In particular the fact that the general public nor the Tory voters wanted him as their leader, but was installed as the countries leader against most people's wishes, really hasn't helped his popularity.

that doesn't create a landslide win, most tories don't care about that

[Mystic Mock]

that doesn't create a landslide win, most tories don't care about that

My point being that if the neutral voters in general despise Sunak (like it appears to be) then even Starmer will gain a lot of extra votes.

It's like how Biden beat Trump at the last US Election, Biden himself didn't really have a big support base, it was just that the majority of the American public hated Trump that much.

And tbh it doesn't look good for Sunak, there's no momentum going his way, and every time that he speaks he sounds desperate.

[bots]

we will see, when there is a tiny tory majority, i will be there saying i told you so :laugh:

It really depends how the final week goes

[arista]

Live on TV News

3 of the Labours West London Starmer and his 2 Women.


With his Big Bus
it has a Fridge in it.

Starmer said to check Johnson is not near it

[arista]

Boris Johnsdons old Seat Uxbridge

Steve Tuckwell MP Won

he is facing

Danny Boy Beales Labour Party
Ian Rex-Hawkes LibDem
Tim Wheeler Reform UK
Sarah Charmian Green Green Party


on Thurs 4th July


Data : GBnewsHD

[arista]

Some New Polls
have Future Conservatives MP's under 70

Big Jump Down Rishi Dishi

[The Slim Reaper]

we will see, when there is a tiny tory majority, i will be there saying i told you so :laugh:

It really depends how the final week goes

Right wing journo, Tom Harwood raised a good point the other day that I actually agree with.

He said that Starmer is basically doing nothing but sh1tting on his own people at this stage, and Sunak/tories are unveiling new policy after new policy, and it's not even registering, because this isn't an election about ideas it's an election about punishment, and that's a simple way to explain why I believe you don't have this one right.

The only path to a tiny majority, is that voters are so unenthused by Starmer, that lots just vote independent/green/sit it out. But there is absolutely no forward momentum by Tories to take back some of the vote.

[The Slim Reaper]

arista any new polls?

[bots]

Right wing journo, Tom Harwood raised a good point the other day that I actually agree with.

He said that Starmer is basically doing nothing but sh1tting on his own people at this stage, and Sunak/tories are unveiling new policy after new policy, and it's not even registering, because this isn't an election about ideas it's an election about punishment, and that's a simple way to explain why I believe you don't have this one right.

The only path to a tiny majority, is that voters are so unenthused by Starmer, that lots just vote independent/green/sit it out. But there is absolutely no forward momentum by Tories to take back some of the vote.

maybe i will be wrong and labour will romp home with the biggest majority ever, but Starmer just doesn't feel like the kind of guy to achieve that and while there may be some vocal condemnation of Sunak, the average tory will carry on voting tory irrespective of the leader, the same way that labour voters do

[arista]

arista any new polls?


Loads came out today.

Shocking results

Over 30 LibDems (big jump from 15MPs)
Conservatives around 68 MP's
Even Jacob could lose his seat..........

Labour over 300 MPs

Was Debated Live on LBC

[The Slim Reaper]

maybe i will be wrong and labour will romp home with the biggest majority ever, but Starmer just doesn't feel like the kind of guy to achieve that and while there may be some vocal condemnation of Sunak, the average tory will carry on voting tory irrespective of the leader

It's not really about party loyalty at this stage, it's about the lived experience of 15 years.

[The Slim Reaper]

Loads came out today.

Shocking results

Over 30 LibDems (big jump from 15MPs)
Conservatives around 68 MP's
Even Jacob could lose his seat..........

Labour over 300 MPs

Was Debated Live on LBC

Thanks for the update arista

[arista]

Moved my post from TV Chat
Newsnight for Slim.

[Good on Victoria Derbyshire Friday Night Short Newsnight
had GBnewsHD presenter Tom Harwood in the Central London Studio
with a left-wing lady


Many times she,
Sonia Sodha (Worked for Ed Milliband)
Totally agree with younger Tom.]

[bots]

I think at one point last year they were saying that tory mp's would be down to a handful, so a figure of 68 is something the tories can work with :laugh:. Provided we don't get a surge that results in reform mp's i will be quite happy.

5 years of a labour government wouldn't be the end of the world at this point. It's up to them to make it count if they do actually sweep the board

[MTVN]

It'd be so hard to come back from that level of wipeout though, look at how hard it's been for the Lib Dems since 2010. I think if the Tories were decimated they'd probably end up merging with Reform and going further right while the Lib Dems would sweep up a lot of the centre. You could end up with over a decade of Labour being in power comfortably and the opposition being split between Tory and Lib Dem

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[The Slim Reaper]

I think Lab get 2 terms as a base level, because of the perceptions of Tories. The message in 5 years will be "it takes more than 5 years to undo what they did" and it will be true, and it also sounds reasonable.

Tories will be back in it again in 15 years, and they will be even more extremist at that point.

[bots]

i think we have to be prepared for similar politics to America coming over here. To me, that is the biggest threat 5 years down the road

[arista]

Also Posted by MTVN

Predicted Poll
by GBnewsHD/Daily Mail


Labour 493
Conservative 72
LibDems 39
SNP 22
Plaid 4
Green 2

[bots]

I don't believe for a moment that labour will get 493 seats .... the daily mail aren't noted for their accuracy in polling etc

[arista]

Old Michael Heseltine
now aged 91
was live on LBC Radio
the hour before.

He claims Starmer or Sunak are avoiding
Brexit talk.

He wants another Referendum
in the next 5 years?

I do not think Starmer would try that
as he wants two 5 year terms


He is right that Starmer appears to be
avoiding his Brexit Labour plans

Starmer is tense when he talks
Also, he now keeps his glasses on.

[bots]

we won't rejoin the EU in the next 20 years. We may come to some agreements quietly, under the table, but it won't be badged as joining the EU

[arista]

I don't believe for a moment that labour will get 493 seats .... the daily mail aren't noted for their accuracy in polling etc


Sure it's an Early Poll


A Poll after the First ITV1HD TV debate (4/6/24)
would be better

[arista]

SkyNewsHD

Was near the Central London Tommy Robinson rally.


We can hear cheers.
He has a loudspeaker


A few were arrested.
Police are making sure that other groups do not
near this Rally.

So well done Police, so far.


Sad BBC avoiding this event

A Short Tweet
https://x.com/5Pillarsuk/status/1796920200224264214

Slim chucked that above tweet on a Kate thread
Chat & Games

[MTVN]

we won't rejoin the EU in the next 20 years. We may come to some agreements quietly, under the table, but it won't be badged as joining the EU

Yeah I could see Labour bringing in something like this that was offered before:

The UK has rejected a EU offer that would make it easier for people aged between 18 and 30 to study and work abroad in the wake of Brexit.

The European Commission had said the deal would be a limited arrangement, not a restoration of free movement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68848046

[arista]

[Torsten Bell, chief executive of the
Resolution Foundation think tank,
has been announced as Labour's
candidate for Swansea West]


[Welsh Labour is facing questions from
local members about general election
candidates being “parachuted” into “safe seats”.

Some local party members have raised
concerns about being kept in the dark
during the selection process.
Ceri Evans, a Labour councillor in Swansea,
said the process “flies in the face”
of assurances made by
party leader Sir Keir Starmer.

Welsh Labour said its Welsh Executive Council
and local members were part of the panel
for choosing candidates.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyxxw89djr7o

[arista]

Sadly new GB Energy
will not take your bills on.
So a con.

GB energy firm would secure future jobs, says Labour

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9xxpypr8d0o

[arista]

[Workers Party launches campaign with attack on Labour

[George Galloway has launched the
Workers Party of Britain's
general election campaign with an attack on Labour.

He told supporters Labour leader
Sir Keir Starmer was "indistinguishable" from
Rishi Sunak and had "blood on his hands"
over his position on Gaza.]

[Mr Galloway said his party was standing hundreds
of candidates across the country
and he would be "extremely disappointed"
if the number elected was not in double figures.

The party was founded by
Mr Galloway - a former Labour and Respect MP - in 2019
but rose to prominence after he won the
Rochdale by-election earlier this year with
a campaign dominated by his support fo
r the Palestinians during the current war
between Israel and Hamas.

In a speech in Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner's former
constituency of Ashton-under-Lyne,
Greater Manchester, Mr Galloway said: "I could not tell you
which is the lesser of the two evils – Keir Starmer
or Rishi Sunak."]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxwwkrykv0zo

[Cherie]

I wont be surprised to see Reform/The Greens take alot of votes off Labour

There are alot of disillusioned voters out there, and like Brexit will protest vote

[The Slim Reaper]

Sadly new GB Energy
will not take your bills on.
So a con.

GB energy firm would secure future jobs, says Labour

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9xxpypr8d0o

Of course it's a con. Labour are as much in thrall to corporate interests these days, as the tories. Starmer has already made backroom deals to not interfere with water, and I daresay he's made them with energy, too.

[arista]

Of course it's a con. Labour are as much in thrall to corporate interests these days, as the tories. Starmer has already made backroom deals to not interfere with water, and I daresay he's made them with energy, too.


Yes that stinks

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes that stinks

Literally, with our sh1t filled rivers, lakes, and oceans.

[arista]

Good on SkyNewsHD
doing a Political Hub on a Saturday

A clip of George Galloway, no less


Sad BBC now stuck on Worldwide shows
Bugger all to do with us.

[bots]

Some services just shouldn't be in the private sector, it's as simple as that. The population can quite literally die when you mess with our water and sewage, so we handed it off to the private sector. I was a very loud opponent when it was introduced

[The Slim Reaper]

Don't vote labour

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[Cherie]

Hoping someone will bring this up at the live debates? not counting on it though

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

From Trevor Phillips Live

Labour's Yvette Cooper
did not recognise the story?


Trevor told her from the Newspapers
A Special Needs Private School has Closed.
Because of the New Labour Tax level due to come in.

He asked her about those children

No answer from her.

[arista]

I watched Starmer
yesterday he went to do up his jacket,
but then stopped

He does not want to look Tubby........

[Ammi]

…^^…that particular school has in the past had quite a ‘troubled’ relationship with Ofsted reports…and over the years the pupil numbers on roll have dropped to around a half of what they were at their highest, so I think it wasn’t sustainable to keep open either, sadly…I think that’s yet another misleading and inaccurate statement to say it’s Labour tax due to come in…

[arista]

…^^…that particular school has in the past had quite a ‘troubled’ relationship with Ofsted reports…and over the years the pupil numbers on roll have dropped to around a half of what they were at their highest, so I think it wasn’t sustainable to keep open either, sadly…I think that’s yet another misleading and inaccurate statement to say it’s Labour tax due to come in…


Shame she did not have that data

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Literally, with our sh1t filled rivers, lakes, and oceans.

Don't tell Martin Neumaier about that.


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He'll finger lick it good.:hehe:

[Ammi]

Shame she did not have that data

…I feel that data is very overrated in the current vogue in general but especially and election times…it spoils the storyline plot somewhat…

[Cherie]

So I think this is a thing, vote Green instead of Labour? then I hear 'hold your nose and vote Labour to get the Tories out' which makes a bit more sense even if you hate Labour but hate the Tories more, so my question is what will voting Green achieve? is it more of a protest vote or do you think if the campaign gains momentum...pun....they have a chance of forming a coalition with Labour, I am confused as to what voting Green will achieve... The Slim Reaper

[joeysteele]

Personally in light of what Cherie says.
I actually think a Labour/Green coalition would be a good thing .

However to really break through the Green's need PR as in fact Reform would too

PR will never come from the Cons.
The Labour movement now does want it
However Starmer who also is open to it doesn't consider a policy for inclusion in this election's manifesto.
Huh!

It will though come from LABOUR and it has to be presented as policy by one of the 2 big Parties
The Cons will never adopt it.

So even with likely 15% of the votes, both the Greens and Reform could not hope for more than 2 or 3 seats in this first past the post election the UK has.
That number of seats isn't going to help either the Green's or Reform in parliament.

Under this electoral system there's really only one sure way to get rid of the Cons in government and that's voting Labour.
That's just the really sad fact of the dinosaur like electoral system..
Equally too, to stop Labour winning, then the surest way is to vote Conservative because of this voting system.

Under PR and I know I'm like a stuck record on this.
Then coalition government would be the norm, no one Party having absolute power.
So in my view, more moderation of policies, more compromise and even possibly 3 Parties working together in government.
What a pleasant change that would bring about and be.
In my opinion anyway.

[arista]

Joey

Starmer will not do PR
he is agitated

[arista]

So I think this is a thing, vote Green instead of Labour? then I hear 'hold your nose and vote Labour to get the Tories out' which makes a bit more sense even if you hate Labour but hate the Tories more, so my question is what will voting Green achieve? is it more of a protest vote or do you think if the campaign gains momentum...pun....they have a chance of forming a coalition with Labour, I am confused as to what voting Green will achieve... The Slim Reaper

Green
Terrible they have Extreme Muslims
in their party NOW


They are infected - so to speak


No way touch that

[The Slim Reaper]

So I think this is a thing, vote Green instead of Labour? then I hear 'hold your nose and vote Labour to get the Tories out' which makes a bit more sense even if you hate Labour but hate the Tories more, so my question is what will voting Green achieve? is it more of a protest vote or do you think if the campaign gains momentum...pun....they have a chance of forming a coalition with Labour, I am confused as to what voting Green will achieve... The Slim Reaper

I'm not sure about it being a thing, but all I mean by it is that the numbers skew so heavily in labours favour, that there is absolutely no avoiding the impending landslide the tories have got coming their way in just over a months time, which means it's a truly rare election when it really is a free vote to vote our consciences. There won't be a coalition government this go round, but greens are going to be the only party that challenges the government (the lab one) on any of the issues around water, energy, or the environment as a whole, so setting them up for future elections to try and build some momentum (pun back at ya) is really important. To me, at least.

The greens aren't placed to do massively great things this election. They will pick up a couple of seats, with some quite major victories around Bristol, but the more people that don't vote labour, the better.. Labour underperforming is the best result to hope for, and might actually begin to hold starmer to account.

[joeysteele]

Joey

Starmer will not do PR
he is agitated

Not in this election but he cannot ignore repeatedly the overwhelming vote for it at Labour conferences.

I think you are misguided there arista, I think he will be playing it as a probable trump card in the election of 2028/29.
However he has to win this one first and despite the polls, that isn't going to be that guaranteed.
I don't believe the lead is as high as the polls are stating.

We in the membership are certainly not going to shut up about PR.
It's coming and it will have the Conservative Party panicking.

Every other Party in Westminster wants it.
Including the Labour movement now too.

[bots]

Joey, if labour end up with over 400 seats in the election, there is no way they will suggest PR :laugh:

It's in their interests to keep the current system

[arista]

Joey, if labour end up with over 400 seats in the election, there is no way they will suggest PR :laugh:

It's in their interests to keep the current system

Great Points

[arista]

BBCnewsHD is pathetic
Every half past
they go to a Recorded show for 30mins

Its a Bloody Election


Good Job we have GBNewsHD Live
and SkyNewsHD Live.

[The Slim Reaper]

Joey, if labour end up with over 400 seats in the election, there is no way they will suggest PR :laugh:

It's in their interests to keep the current system

People can agree or disagree with his purge of the left, but they can't disagree that he is an autocrat. Even if he had a small majority, it's doubtful he would make elections more democratic, and re-open the door to those he's been busy purging.

[arista]

SNP now on all 3
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Good we have subtitles

[joeysteele]

Joey, if labour end up with over 400 seats in the election, there is no way they will suggest PR :laugh:

It's in their interests to keep the current system

Actually there is.

We in Labour well realise that power doesn't last.
Apart from Blair and Wilson in the 1966 election.
From then Labour has never won elections with anything other than tiniest of majorities.

I am a member of the Labour Party bots, I know what we want, the Unions want PR too and so do Labour voters

Blair got over 400 seats in 1997 and 2001.
Then we were out for 14 years this time.
18 years the previous time from 1979.

It will happen again and there's only one way to ensure no Party and particularly the Cons never get absolute power again for the minority of votes.
I'm well aware PR would have the Cons panicking and needing to change their underwear a lot

If PR was done rght and with the support of all other Parties I think it will make for better politics.

PR was passed overwhelmingly at Labours conference.
One swallow doesn't make a Sumner.

You can scoff all you like.
PR isn't about this election it would be about who gets to lead power in future elections.
So stopping the Cons getting absolute power again with big majorities for 43.6% of the votes.
With long periods of government too.

That is what PR would be about.
As it would for any other Party too.
IF Labour wins with over 400 seats this time.
Then all the more reason to adopt PR, to ensure what Labour does cannot be dismantled by a future minority voted but large overall majority government in the future

Because sure as day follows night.
A 400+ majority would dwindle away over an election or 2 and without PR the then inevitable outcome will be again a long period of Con government.
So PR is the long term answer to preventing that.
Labour could then be the last party to govern under this ridiculous first past the post electoral system.

That's definitely another thing to aim for.
However no doubt the Cons would be absolutely smouldering.

[joeysteele]

Great Points

Where exactly are the great points or where is it in Labours interests to keep this ridiculous system???
In the last 45 years .
Under this system.
Labour has governed for 13 of those years.
Also lost 8 out of 11 elections.

Just what exactly is great for Labour about this system with those FACTS.

I'd love to hear that because I can't for the life see anything of ONE great point never mind points.

[arista]

"Where exactly are the great points"


Joey
I meant bots is saying the reality
Not a dig at your wishes

[arista]

"Also lost 8 out of 11 elections."


Yes
picking the wrong leaders like Corbyn
or Foot is to blame

[Cherie]

I'm not sure about it being a thing, but all I mean by it is that the numbers skew so heavily in labours favour, that there is absolutely no avoiding the impending landslide the tories have got coming their way in just over a months time, which means it's a truly rare election when it really is a free vote to vote our consciences. There won't be a coalition government this go round, but greens are going to be the only party that challenges the government (the lab one) on any of the issues around water, energy, or the environment as a whole, so setting them up for future elections to try and build some momentum (pun back at ya) is really important. To me, at least.

The greens aren't placed to do massively great things this election. They will pick up a couple of seats, with some quite major victories around Bristol, but the more people that don't vote labour, the better.. Labour underperforming is the best result to hope for, and might actually begin to hold starmer to account.

Oh I see, I think the electorate are going to be very disappointed in Labour, I hope I am proved wrong but I can't see much change coming

[arista]

Andrew Marr (he was on his panel)
speaking on Trevor Phillips show
(the better 90mins show on SkyNewsHD)
Full playback is on YouTube

Saying there is a Large Amount voters
of Not saying who they
are going to vote for.


So he said they may hold their nose
and Vote Labour or Reform?

[joeysteele]

"Where exactly are the great points"


Joey
I meant bots is saying the reality
Not a dig at your wishes

I know the reality too arista.
I'm not some blithering idiot !!!

I've now been battling along with many other Labour members for PR.
First past the post fails the Country more than helps it.

There's only ONE Party in existence in the UK that doesn't want PR.
That's the Cons.

We've seen clearly over recent government, that the PM doesn't get often,or even only much, of their own way.
Starmer will have to accept the will of the Party and even voters as to PR.
Far more public polled prefer PR to first past the post.
John McDonnell the former shadow Chancellor supports it, in fact the majority of Labour MPs do too.

That's the real reality and the momentum is with PR in Labour, it's a train that's going on to its destination now, I've never felt more sure it will now be done by Labour and the policy presented at the election of 2028/29.
For to be implemented for the next election after then.
Immaterial of the results of this election on July 4th

[arista]

I wont be surprised to see Reform/The Greens take alot of votes off Labour

There are alot of disillusioned voters out there, and like Brexit will protest vote


Yes very possible.

[arista]

There is Going to have to be Cut Backs under
Labour or Conservative

SNP Flyn pointed that out today.
(Trevor Phillips)

Conspiracy of Silence - he stated

[The Slim Reaper]

Luke Akehurst's wife attacking a protestor, as he kicks off his campaign to put himself into a lab seat in Durham after being on the selection committee. He's from and lives in Oxford.

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[arista]

This paper also posted
on ruperts thread.

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-a5741631-ead2-4dc6-866d-ca9818d248c3.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-523a69b5-4469-4175-aa72-bac0d7c55531.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-415239d1-4648-460c-a6ec-3568c8b2fb9e.jpeg

[Crimson Dynamo]

Luke Akehurst's wife attacking a protestor, as he kicks off his campaign to put himself into a lab seat in Durham after being on the selection committee. He's from and lives in Oxford.

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left wing nutjobs

sick, sick people

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-0a2a5903-d733-4cde-81c6-8d2ebae2c6a0.jpeg

[arista]

Labour Leader is going Live


Starmer is talking about Defense

SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Starmer is in a Manchester Museum

He ain't talking yet

John Healy is

[arista]

At Last Starmer is Live


So far just D-Day talk

[arista]

Now his Mother's Story?

[Gusto Brunt]

I think that poll yesterday saying the Tories will be left with only 53 seats or so, and Starmer's Labour would get about 470 seats...

I think that's way too silly.

I'm still going with a hung parliament.

[arista]

I think that poll yesterday saying the Tories will be left with only 53 seats or so, and Starmer's Labour would get about 470 seats...

I think that's way too silly.

I'm still going with a hung parliament.


No,
I think other polls think
they may have just over 70 seats