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arista
05-07-2024, 04:01 AM
Jacob Rees Mogg


Loses to Dan Norris New Labour MP

bots
05-07-2024, 04:02 AM
Jacob RM has lost his seat :dance::dance::dance:

arista
05-07-2024, 04:02 AM
https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-ad52249c-9594-465a-aaa0-4101ff24cabf.jpeg

arista
05-07-2024, 04:04 AM
Starmer New PM now Live

Zizu
05-07-2024, 04:06 AM
Hilarious to learn that this idiot lost his seat !!

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joeysteele
05-07-2024, 04:08 AM
Really happy.

Not a lot to celebrate though.

The vote share is around the 2005 level, a bit more, when Labour won a 68 overall majority for 35.2% of the vote only, with the Cons on 32.3%

The bad thing for me is the situation with Reform.
The Cons maybe could have had this tighter had they seen off Reform.

I'm pleased the Cons will be the opposition, I hope they elect a more moderate leader going forward.
However I think both Labour and the Cons need to find a way to remove Reform as much out the equation as they can.
I've been at a count tonight, er well also this morning, I felt sorry for the Con who lost.
Of all the candidates the only ignorant one was the Reform candidate.

This electoral system is useless.
Who ends up with the most seats, wins the election.
The votes are near irrelevant.
What a ridiculous voting system.
The seats are won where the concentration of activity is most generated in.

We need PR, I feel it would help get people who don't vote to start to.
Those non voters in my view, are not extreme or bigoted, prejudiced people, if they were they'd be out now voting for the likes of Reform.

Obviously I'm glad we now have a Labour government.
I hope however that Labour will build good and more consensus with the LibDems and Greens.
I will as a Labour party member fight within the Party with other members and MPs to get PR discussed and hopefully brought in for elections.
This electoral system fails the UK far more than it serves the UK now.

arista
05-07-2024, 04:30 AM
David Davis MP
is out.


Labour takes his seat

arista
05-07-2024, 04:35 AM
Hilarious to learn that this idiot lost his seat !!

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Yes Shocker




Jonathan Ashworth, a senior Labour figure,
loses to an independent candidate

arista
05-07-2024, 04:37 AM
27 to Labour in Wales


No Conservatives won in Wales

arista
05-07-2024, 04:42 AM
Labours Chris Ward Wins Brighton Kemptown


He took over from the Labour MP they Kicked out

arista
05-07-2024, 04:52 AM
Conservative Liam Fox
is out.


Labour Take his Seat.

arista
05-07-2024, 04:55 AM
Labours Jess Phillips Won Birmingham

She got angry at a group of Aggressive Muslim Men
who had to be removed

bots
05-07-2024, 04:58 AM
Labours Jess Phillips Won Birmingham

She got angry at a group of Aggressive Muslim Men
who had to be removed

it was mental, galloways party threatened violence

bots
05-07-2024, 05:00 AM
i think liam fox and Coffey lost their seats, although there is a lot going on :laugh:

Truss result soon

bots
05-07-2024, 05:17 AM
Jess Phillips is really upset, it shouldn't be this way

arista
05-07-2024, 05:28 AM
Jess Phillips is really upset, it shouldn't be this way


Angry Muslim Men.


They had to be removed

arista
05-07-2024, 05:30 AM
5 New Independent MP's

4 Reform MP's

arista
05-07-2024, 05:37 AM
Ian Duncan Smith

Keeps his seat.

arista
05-07-2024, 05:46 AM
Liz Truss

Is not on the Stage
Holding the result up?

arista
05-07-2024, 05:47 AM
Lizz Truss has arrived


She Lost


Labour Won

joeysteele
05-07-2024, 05:49 AM
Lizz Truss has arrived


She Lost


Labour Won

Crikey, that's a surprise.

bots
05-07-2024, 05:50 AM
truss has lost her seat

arista
05-07-2024, 05:52 AM
Crikey, that's a surprise.

Yes Reform taking 9,000 +



Buggered her



Labour 11,847 Terry Jones

Conservative 11,217 Lizz Triss

3rd Reform 9,958

arista
05-07-2024, 05:55 AM
Steve Baker

Out

Labout take over

Oliver_W
05-07-2024, 06:02 AM
However I think both Labour and the Cons need to find a way to remove Reform as much out the equation as they can.


How do you suggest they do that?

Gusto Brunt
05-07-2024, 06:03 AM
George Galloway, what a joke. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRsAckSaUAAP3fn?format=png&name=small

arista
05-07-2024, 06:07 AM
At this Time


Labour 406
Conservative 112
LibDems 68
SNP 8
Reform 4
Greens 4

Ref: Ch4HD Live

Oliver_W
05-07-2024, 06:12 AM
Labours Jess Phillips Won Birmingham

She got angry at a group of Aggressive Muslim Men
who had to be removed

it was mental, galloways party threatened violence

That Jody McIntyre bloke looks severely inbred.

(That's my incredibly mature political commentary)

Maru
05-07-2024, 06:15 AM
Change is good. No party should ever get too comfortable with being in power.

joeysteele
05-07-2024, 06:19 AM
How do you suggest they do that?

I don't know.
That's why I said THEY need to find a way.

arista
05-07-2024, 06:20 AM
Change is good. No party should ever get too comfortable with being in power.


Sure

But the New 5 Independent MP's
are all Pro Gaza.

arista
05-07-2024, 06:26 AM
Mel Stride Keeps his seat,


Conservative Mel Stride 16,831

Labour 16,770
Lib Dem 8,232
Reform UK 7,784

Ref: GMB HD itv

Cherie
05-07-2024, 07:03 AM
All you labour folk are gonna be targets when things COMPLETELY fall apart - we will gunning for you - what a hapless lot of nomarks we now have in charge

They will be no better than the useless Tories but at least we knew where we were ..

Millions will be expecting things to get better almost overnight and the truth is nothing good will come of this and maybe things get worse… and fast !


I will be keeping a close eye on the numbers coming in illegally on those damn boats


I can’t wait to see Starmer and Rayner squirming ..


Better get your excuses ready …


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Given you dont vote Zizu, you have no voice, no point complaining after the fact

An interesting point has just been mentioned that the millions didn’t vote the tories into power they voted for Boris !!!


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They voted to Get Brexit done.....

Cherie
05-07-2024, 07:04 AM
Mel Stride Keeps his seat,


Conservative Mel Stride 16,831

Labour 16,770
Lib Dem 8,232
Reform UK 7,784

Ref: GMB HD itv

Thats got to go to a recount surely?

Ray.
05-07-2024, 07:15 AM
It's raining today

The Earth cries for Great Britain

https://c.tenor.com/GbumlVh-AoIAAAAC/tenor.gif

bots
05-07-2024, 07:22 AM
Thats got to go to a recount surely?

i wasn't aware of any recounts going on and there were a lot of close votes. I don't know if they just didn't report them or what, but 1 seat was won by 20 votes so that must surely have had a recount

arista
05-07-2024, 07:23 AM
Thats got to go to a recount surely?


No Mel Stride has won it

arista
05-07-2024, 07:23 AM
It's raining today

The Earth cries for Great Britain

https://c.tenor.com/GbumlVh-AoIAAAAC/tenor.gif


Yes Sunak can leave in the rain

bots
05-07-2024, 07:26 AM
it's over to labour now, so lets see what they will do. Personally, I don't think they will get much of a honeymoon period, and then the blame will be firmly at labours door

arista
05-07-2024, 07:26 AM
6 Independent MP's now

Pro Gaza invaders

Cherie
05-07-2024, 07:29 AM
Jacob Rees Mogg


Loses to Dan Norris New Labour MP

He can recline at home now :laugh:

Cherie
05-07-2024, 07:31 AM
i wasn't aware of any recounts going on and there were a lot of close votes. I don't know if they just didn't report them or what, but 1 seat was won by 20 votes so that must surely have had a recount

they usually report dont they announce the first result and then say its going to a recount, very odd, I think I heard during some radio programme that it is up to the returning officer if there is a recount or if the person involved is someone who might use their deposit they can ask for one

arista
05-07-2024, 07:33 AM
He can recline at home now :laugh:

And on GBnewsHD

Cherie
05-07-2024, 07:34 AM
the booing of Jess Phillips was really out of order, that is not how democracy is done

arista
05-07-2024, 07:39 AM
the booing of Jess Phillips was really out of order, that is not how democracy is done


Thats Angry Muslimn Gaza Gang



2 other Labour MP's
Lost their seats

to Gaza Independents

bots
05-07-2024, 07:41 AM
the booing of Jess Phillips was really out of order, that is not how democracy is done

it was george galloways workers party. One of her staffers had her tyres slashed yesterday and groups of men were chasing her women staff shouting and swearing at them

Nicky91
05-07-2024, 07:43 AM
the people's champion Starmer :flutter:

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/240529085903-23-keir-starmer-career-gallery-0524.jpg?c=original&q=h_447,c_fill

perfect representation of the average british person, unlike the posh Sunak

Kazanne
05-07-2024, 07:46 AM
Lets hope Starmer now puts his money where his mouth is and make the country better as promised.

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 07:47 AM
The projected result suggests that Reform was successful in poaching many voters who backed the Tories last time out under Boris Johnson.

In a video released on social media, Mr Farage described his party’s early results as “almost unbelievable” and predicted it would win more than six million votes. The Reform leader said it showed that “the revolt against the establishment is under way”.

“It means we’re going to win seats – many, many seats I think – right now across the country,” he added. “This is going to be six million votes plus; this folks is huge.”

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 07:49 AM
John Swinney, Scotland’s First Minister and SNP leader, admitted that his party’s performance had been “very poor”.
:smug:

arista
05-07-2024, 07:55 AM
Ch4HD is Concluding.

They are back at 11AM -12:25PM

Cherie
05-07-2024, 07:55 AM
Thats Angry Muslimn Gaza Gang



2 other Labour MP's
Lost their seats

to Gaza Independents

it was george galloways workers party. One of her staffers had her tyres slashed yesterday and groups of men were chasing her women staff shouting and swearing at them

No surprises there, but who knew??????

Angela Rayner should hang her head in shame, begging a group of men for their votes and ignoring the fact that their wives have votes also

arista
05-07-2024, 07:57 AM
Lets hope Starmer now puts his money where his mouth is and make the country better as promised.


All Depends on
will they get Growth?

bots
05-07-2024, 08:06 AM
i still cant listen to starmer, his voice really grates with me

arista
05-07-2024, 08:09 AM
i still cant listen to starmer, his voice really grates with me



I can understand that.

arista
05-07-2024, 08:16 AM
How Long will Sunak stay as an MP?

Cherie
05-07-2024, 08:17 AM
How Long will Sunak stay as an MP?

Doubtful he will stay long

Liz Truss losing her seat :laugh:

arista
05-07-2024, 08:17 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/05/08/86960015-0-image-m-9_1720163551793.jpg

Cherie
05-07-2024, 08:18 AM
I think the story of the night is how close run some off these seats were, Truss lost hers by 600 votes, Stride kept his by a similar margin, for anyone saying my vote doesn't count....think again

smudgie
05-07-2024, 08:22 AM
Thankfully our local lad won again.
As a Tory voter since Tony Blair I really do think it was time for a change, if not for any other reason that the country had to have a chance to see how Labour can handle being in charge.
I don’t expect any major improvements in the first year or so at least, but hopefully it will stop the constant moaning.
Jess Phillips is one of my favourite Labour mp’s and the way she was heckled is disgusting.
George Galloway is a ruddy joke.
Best results for me was Truss going and also Ashworth.

joeysteele
05-07-2024, 08:28 AM
I cannot stand the Green co leader Carla Denyer.
For some reason she annoys me bigtime.

It's incredible how accurate the exit poll was.
Apart from predicting 13 for Reform.
When it's more like only 4 or 5.
That I'm pleased to see that is was only 4/5.

I do though hope the Conservatives find the right leader when Sunak goes.
I really want them to be able to see off Reform, like Labour had to with the SDP in the 80s.
Thankfully they got well over the 100 number of seats still.
That's a fair base to rebuild from.

bots
05-07-2024, 08:28 AM
I think the story of the night is how close run some off these seats were, Truss lost hers by 600 votes, Stride kept his by a similar margin, for anyone saying my vote doesn't count....think again

Hunt won by 800 votes and someone won by 20 votes, which is crazy :laugh:

Starmer is going to have to listen to Farage talk about immigration at every opportunity. How long before he snaps? :hehe:

My vote didn't count here, the tories won by a whacking majority as usual

bots
05-07-2024, 08:31 AM
the tories are going to find it a real challenge to pick a new leader, there is only a pool of just over 100 to choose from and there are a lot of crazies in there still

joeysteele
05-07-2024, 08:32 AM
Thankfully our local lad won again.
As a Tory voter since Tony Blair I really do think it was time for a change, if not for any other reason that the country had to have a chance to see how Labour can handle being in charge.
I don’t expect any major improvements in the first year or so at least, but hopefully it will stop the constant moaning.
Jess Phillips is one of my favourite Labour mp’s and the way she was heckled is disgusting.
George Galloway is a ruddy joke.
Best results for me was Truss going and also Ashworth.

Aw I'm glad you got your wish smudgie re your MP.
Well done to him.

I was over the moon when I learned Galloway was beaten in Rochdale.
I just hope to see some seriousness and competence in government now.

If Labour don't act that way, I'll be hammering them more on here than I have the Conservatives.

Oliver_W
05-07-2024, 08:33 AM
I cannot stand the Green co leader Carla Denyer.
For some reason she annoys me bigtime.

Probably her incredible levels of smugness? Same with Daisy Cooper.

arista
05-07-2024, 08:34 AM
Sunak Goes Live at 10:30AM

joeysteele
05-07-2024, 08:34 AM
the tories are going to find it a real challenge to pick a new leader, there is only a pool of just over 100 to choose from and there are a lot of crazies in there still

They still have to put 2 candidates through to their membership though.
They are a fair number to vote too.

joeysteele
05-07-2024, 08:36 AM
Probably her incredible levels of smugness? Same with Daisy Cooper.

Yeah, that is how she/ they come across.

arista
05-07-2024, 09:07 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/05/09/86962715-0-image-a-5_1720168736668.jpg

bots
05-07-2024, 09:17 AM
labour really got away without talking about any of their policies in detail, so its going to be interesting how that all pans out. I have to say that labour showed enormous discipline throughout the campaign and that's just not going to continue, so that will be another interesting area. I can see labour mp's getting frustrated quickly when they finally realise the money just isn't there to do all that they want and the revenue from their tax adjustments just won't cut it. I mean "getting the nhs back on track" is an almost impossible milestone to achieve

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 09:21 AM
Reform UK got more votes than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dems got 66 more seats than Reform UK😵

bots
05-07-2024, 09:26 AM
Reform UK got more votes than the Lib Dems and the Lib Dems got 66 more seats than Reform UK😵

the lib dems got less share of the vote than when the clegg variant got wiped out :laugh:

labour won a landslide with a share of the vote that resulted in their biggest loss in 100 years 4 years ago :laugh:

The important thing is that the public wanted the tories out, and that was spectacularly successful. There were 10 cabinet ministers plus a few senior tories that got booted out last night and will probably never return

MTVN
05-07-2024, 09:31 AM
6 Independent MP's now

Pro Gaza invaders

Alarmed at that tbh and not something I saw anyone talking about before the election

Are we basically going to have a Muslim Brotherhood faction in parliament?

bots
05-07-2024, 09:33 AM
Alarmed at that tbh and not something I saw anyone talking about before the election

Are we basically going to have a Muslim Brotherhood faction in parliament?

yes, there are now nailed on extremists in the british parliament

MTVN
05-07-2024, 09:35 AM
Surprised Hunt kept his seat, expect he'll go for leader now and will end up against either Badenoch or Braverman

Tory vote actually held up better than I expected overall given the strength of the Reform vote share

bots
05-07-2024, 09:40 AM
Nobody is interested in picking a new tory leader. If Sunak can stay on for a few months, that would be the best strategy for the interim.

Beso
05-07-2024, 09:41 AM
Alarmed at that tbh and not something I saw anyone talking about before the election

Are we basically going to have a Muslim Brotherhood faction in parliament?

Just you wait until sadiq Kahn takes over from starmer next year.

Oliver_W
05-07-2024, 09:42 AM
Surprised Hunt kept his seat, expect he'll go for leader now and will end up against either Badenoch or Braverman

Tory vote actually held up better than I expected overall given the strength of the Reform vote share

I wouldn't actually hate Hunt as the new Tory leader. He's somewhat likeable.

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 09:43 AM
https://cf.eip.telegraph.co.uk/illustrator-embed/content/88ec4669a2b1f34cad192280548bf5586bb7cecb/1720167260335.jpg

Vote share top bar

Seats won bottom bar

bots
05-07-2024, 09:45 AM
Nobody is interested in picking a new tory leader. If Sunak can stay on for a few months, that would be the best strategy for the interim.

scratch that, he has just stood down :joker:

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 10:12 AM
Alarmed at that tbh and not something I saw anyone talking about before the election

Are we basically going to have a Muslim Brotherhood faction in parliament?

The pretend face of compassionate conservatism is never far away from straying into full on racism

arista
05-07-2024, 10:15 AM
Alarmed at that tbh and not something I saw anyone talking about before the election

Are we basically going to have a Muslim Brotherhood faction in parliament?

Could be
they need to take control of them

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 10:16 AM
The pretend face of compassionate conservatism is never far away from straying into full on racism

and ignoring the real threat of sectarian politics to win a fictitious culture war is why the threat exists

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 10:16 AM
The raghead faction, I believe they want to be known as.

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 10:17 AM
and ignoring the real threat of sectarian politics to win a fictitious culture war is why the threat exists

What is the threat?

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 10:18 AM
Oh god, imagine if they get the HoC to smell of curry.

Alf
05-07-2024, 10:21 AM
Labour 9.6m votes - over 400 seats

Reform 4m votes - 4 seats

Each labour mp represents 24,000 people. Each Reform MP represents 1m people.



Over 80 percent of the country didn't vote for this government.

arista
05-07-2024, 10:22 AM
The raghead faction, I believe they want to be known as.


Your fella Won Corbyn

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 10:23 AM
LAURA PERRINS: "It is a truth universally acknowledged by sensible people that outright
loathing of your base is a vote loser. The Tories have learned the hard way that this is what
happens if you betray your core vote for years."

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 10:25 AM
Labour 9.6m votes - over 400 seats

Reform 4m votes - 4 seats


Over 80 percent of the country didn't vote for this government.

It's the political system we have in the UK which is anti-democratic.

We need to shift to PR.

There are some dire warnings for labour (which is insane to say after that majority).

Starmer only received half the votes he got in 2019 in his own seat.

The swing back to the right will be hard and fast unless he addresses the inequalities in society. Lab have 10 years at best to get this right, otherwise the countery will be really screwed.

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 10:27 AM
Your fella Won Corbyn

His constituents won.

joeysteele
05-07-2024, 10:28 AM
Votes can be near irrelevant in this now absurd electoral system we have.

Our electoral system of government is NOT about votes it's who can win the most seats only
That's why we need PR to get a fuller representation of seats FOR votes.
Not seats despite of votes.

Indeed I don't like Reform or Farage at all in any way.
However they got more votes than the LibDems yet got only 4 seats, whereas the LibDems 70+.

If some Party planned it carefully enough they could choose 326 seats they believed they could win, only contest them, win by a handful of votes in them.
Yet be the government under this ridiculous voting system.

Just as in a seat, you get an MP elected, like the Labour one in Liz Truss's seat.
Where he got around 11,000 + votes.
She got a few hundred less.
The 3rd placed candidate had around 10,000.

He didn't even get a third of the votes yet he is MP with all those votes against him.
Under this ridiculous voting system.

All that matters is he got the highest number of votes.
To get the seat.

What's really democratic about that !!!!

arista
05-07-2024, 10:28 AM
His constituents won.


Sure

arista
05-07-2024, 10:28 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/05/11/86966831-0-image-m-21_1720174535226.jpg

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 10:33 AM
So close. Wes had the whole party machine behind him to take on an independent candidate with nothing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRsaDvSXQAAtUTY?format=jpg&name=900x900

arista
05-07-2024, 10:33 AM
[Welsh Secretary David Davies,
Culture Secretary Lucy Frazer,
Science minister Michelle Donelan,
Education Secretary Gillian Keegan and
Justice Secretary Alex Chalk were beaten
during a traumatic night for the Tories.
Altogether at least 16 ministers have gone,
with Johnny Mercer and Therese Coffey beaten by Labour.

Jacob Rees-Mogg also tumbled
in North East Somerset and Hanham.]

And Liz Truss has gone

bots
05-07-2024, 10:37 AM
So close. Wes had the whole party machine behind him to take on an independent candidate with nothing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRsaDvSXQAAtUTY?format=jpg&name=900x900

are you seriously trying to suggest the independents weren't funded by organisations?

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 10:40 AM
are you seriously trying to suggest the independents weren't funded by organisations?

Which organisations were they funded by?

Even with funding, to set up a campaign in a few weeks to tackle a (now) cabinet minister in his own seat and get within a few hundred votes is ridiculous.

user104658
05-07-2024, 10:43 AM
Which organisations were they funded by?

Even with funding, to set up a campaign in a few weeks to tackle a (now) cabinet minister in his own seat and get within a few hundred votes is ridiculous.

I don't know that it is these days, I think the next GE (or two) is going to see a surge in indy MP's being elected tbh.

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 10:44 AM
3rd lowest turnout since 1918

bots
05-07-2024, 10:45 AM
Which organisations were they funded by?

Even with funding, to set up a campaign in a few weeks to tackle a (now) cabinet minister in his own seat and get within a few hundred votes is ridiculous.

you are being deliberately disingenuous

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 10:49 AM
I don't know that it is these days, I think the next GE (or two) is going to see a surge in indy MP's being elected tbh.

Currently there is no "these days." I think this election could be the start of that, but as things currently stand, it's unprecedented.

user104658
05-07-2024, 10:50 AM
3rd lowest turnout since 1918

Also unsurprising; people are bored and tired. The same thing is happening in the US amongst "normal" voters, I hear. You have the screeching kids on one side and the whining Trump stans on the other, and in the middle 80% of the population looking at Biden and Trump, shrugging and saying "This is a joke I don't care any more."

I'll be totally honest and say that yes I voted, because we were out in the car for some dinner and shopping anyway, and my wife was voting, so I was there and voted.

If, let's say, my wife had voted on the way to work and we hadn't needed to pop out for anything - would I have gone to vote? I can't 100% say that I would. There was 0 possibility of it being anything other than Labour or SNP. I wasn't all that bothered which. I'd probably not have bothered to tie my shoes.

And I'm a politically engaged individual - imagine for someone who doesn't even generally engage with it?

MTVN
05-07-2024, 10:51 AM
The pretend face of compassionate conservatism is never far away from straying into full on racism

Yes certainly agree there is now an issue of people wearing pretend faces of compassionate humanitarianism whose actual end goal is division, sectarianism, intimidation and bigotry

Enabled by many who'd rather stick their heads in the sand

user104658
05-07-2024, 10:51 AM
Currently there is no "these days." I think this election could be the start of that, but as things currently stand, it's unprecedented.

I only really mean that "unprecedented" doesn't always mean "surprising"., if one keeps one's thumb on the trending pulse of sociology.

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 10:54 AM
you are being deliberately disingenuous

What is disengenuous about what I've written?

You made a claim and i asked you to back it up, so you've started crying about me.

Answer the question, which organisations have funded her?

arista
05-07-2024, 10:54 AM
Labour MP's
outside downing st.
in the rain, waiting for Starmer

arista
05-07-2024, 10:58 AM
Starmer now meeting King Charles

Cherie
05-07-2024, 11:02 AM
Labour MP's
outside downing st.
in the rain, waiting for Starmer

It ends as it began in the rain :laugh:

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 11:04 AM
Yes certainly agree there is now an issue of people wearing pretend faces of compassionate humanitarianism whose actual end goal is division, sectarianism, intimidation and bigotry

Enabled by many who'd rather stick their heads in the sand

You're not stupid.

Just spewing out the same talking point bollocks from the likes of Anderson and Farage is slightly weird from you, if I'm honest.

Don't pretend it's some moral cause, when you're regurgitating the same "othering" tropes that have been used forever.

US republicans in 08' started Muslim brotherhood against Obama, so that's how unoriginal this nonsense is.

Swan
05-07-2024, 11:06 AM
Yeah Tunbridge Wells has always been a Tory stronghold, but the town has been changing over the years and the Lib Dems have really put the work in here. When Mike Martin was going door to door last month, he knocked on my door, i had a 5 min chat with him, he came across really well. He won me over tbh.

It's interesting, i do a lot of walking, and with any election you'd always notice Tory posters on windows, placards outside house etc. It was always 95% blue here. Not anymore, i think i came across 1 Tory sign on my travels this time round. There were a few Labour placards and posters outside houses, which just shows the change for this town. But they were mainly Lib Dem.

It just shows really how far the Tories have fallen if they're losing once guaranteed wins like Tunbridge Wells.

MTVN
05-07-2024, 11:12 AM
You're not stupid.

Just spewing out the same talking point bollocks from the likes of Anderson and Farage is slightly weird from you, if I'm honest.

Don't pretend it's some moral cause, when you're regurgitating the same "othering" tropes that have been used forever.

US republicans in 08' started Muslim brotherhood against Obama, so that's how unoriginal this nonsense is.

Well let's see how it plays out

I think the intimidation shown towards Jess Phillips and Shabana Mahmood gives us a sneak preview of this brand of politics and it's not pretty

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 11:19 AM
Well let's see how it plays out

I think the intimidation shown towards Jess Phillips and Shabana Mahmood gives us a sneak preview of this brand of politics and it's not pretty


Just saying that intimidation tactics have been used, doesn't really cut it. I know it's more believable because it's scary Muslims, but these candidates have done their best to avoid any sense of accountability. Politicians used to at least talk to people, but one Palestine flag would have Philips running. If you're scared of your own shadow, then everything is intimidating.

Being accountable to your constituents is the job of an MP.

arista
05-07-2024, 11:21 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/05/12/86969011-0-image-m-4_1720177412004.jpg

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 11:23 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRuEBO6XYAEV1xH?format=jpg&name=small

bots
05-07-2024, 11:25 AM
reform are just the equivalent of arsenal

Cherie
05-07-2024, 11:27 AM
Just saying that intimidation tactics have been used, doesn't really cut it. I know it's more believable because it's scary Muslims, but these candidates have done their best to avoid any sense of accountability. Politicians used to at least talk to people, but one Palestine flag would have Philips running. If you're scared of your own shadow, then everything is intimidating.

Being accountable to your constituents is the job of an MP.

2 questions, did you agree with Jess Phillips being heckled

Did you agree with Angela Rayner appealing for a Muslim male vote? no question of her canvassing their partners for their views?

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 11:28 AM
2 questions, did you agree with Jess Phillips being heckled

Did you agree with Angela Rayner appealing for a Muslim male vote? no question of her canvassing their partners for their views?

And Starmer taking off his poppy that time when he met with Muslim (men natch)

arista
05-07-2024, 11:29 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/05/08/86955505-13603147-Senior_Tory_figures_including_a_record_number_of_C abinet_ministe-a-1_1720166175398.jpg

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 11:31 AM
J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling

Kirsten Oswald (left) has lost her parliamentary seat. Incredibly, it seems
palling around with people who want to decapitate women isn’t a vote winner.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRsJ2RnaUAAKMgl?format=jpg&name=small

Cherie
05-07-2024, 11:31 AM
So can we all agree that Scottish Independence is finally off the agenda :laugh:

Cherie
05-07-2024, 11:32 AM
J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling

Kirsten Oswald (left) has lost her parliamentary seat. Incredibly, it seems
palling around with people who want to decapitate women isn’t a vote winner.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRsJ2RnaUAAKMgl?format=jpg&name=small

Brilliant... bye bye

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 11:35 AM
2 questions, did you agree with Jess Phillips being heckled

Did you agree with Angela Rayner appealing for a Muslim male vote? no question of her canvassing their partners for their views?

1) I agree with all politicians being heckled

2) I don't disagree with asking for votes in any room that you are in at any time. I'm sure you would have no issue with Duffield asking for votes from a "what is a woman" conference. I'm not even sure what you want me to do with this one because it's just a bit weird.

arista
05-07-2024, 11:40 AM
PM Starmer at Downing St.

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 11:40 AM
Starmer: "looking forward to the England game tonight your Majesty?"

King: "Its tomorrow you f.ucking lefty twat"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRuE9_YXMAEhHXX?format=jpg&name=small

arista
05-07-2024, 11:43 AM
Now giving his speech

Live Downing Street

Cherie
05-07-2024, 11:53 AM
Keir is punching as well, his wife is very pretty, no wonder he wants to spend Friday nights at home :creep:

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 11:56 AM
Keir is punching as well, his wife is very pretty, no wonder he wants to spend Friday nights at home :creep:

Keir is definitely a belly to belly missionary kinda guy.

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 12:51 PM
Muslim crowd heckle newly elected Labour MP Jess Phillips and shout the name
of her opponent as they taunt her after she beat Muslim independent candidate
Jody McIntyre by less than 700 votes.

She tells them "You don't like a woman standing up to you"

video here: https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1809206797984559544


:umm2:

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 01:00 PM
1809163772784714117

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 01:04 PM
1809075401357971491

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 01:09 PM
1809075401357971491

Mogg knew then - he was toast...

The Slim Reaper
05-07-2024, 01:21 PM
Mogg knew then - he was toast...

Definitely knew his bread had been buttered, that's for sure.

Zizu
05-07-2024, 03:25 PM
1809075401357971491


If a bloke wearing beans can win a seat why don’t all the concerned celebrities start a party !!

Stephen Fry as leader Hugh CottageGarden
Chef his deputy ?

They could put a celebrity to run in each seat and would surely win the hearts of the British people

What a choice Diane Abbott or Dua Lipa ?


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Cherie
05-07-2024, 06:13 PM
If a bloke wearing beans can win a seat why don’t all the concerned celebrities start a party !!

Stephen Fry as leader Hugh CottageGarden
Chef his deputy ?

They could put a celebrity to run in each seat and would surely win the hearts of the British people

What a choice Diane Abbott or Dua Lipa ?


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He didnt win, he was just on the podium with Mogg

bots
05-07-2024, 06:49 PM
Dianne Abbot is now the mother of the house, and Corbyn was nearly father of the house :laugh:

Zizu
05-07-2024, 06:58 PM
He didnt win, he was just on the podium with Mogg


Ahhhh

Still think my idea has legs !!


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hijaxers
05-07-2024, 07:11 PM
Dianne Abbot is now the mother of the house, and Corbyn was nearly father of the house :laugh:

:laugh: she's mother alright !

Alf
05-07-2024, 07:41 PM
If this turns out to be true, then people at channel 4 need to be jailed in my opinion.


1809298694857965634

Zizu
05-07-2024, 07:52 PM
If this turns out to be true, then people at channel 4 need to be jailed in my opinion.


1809298694857965634


I’d be suspicious of anything involving that slimeball Dan Wootton


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bots
05-07-2024, 08:12 PM
people have been making up crap for decades. Trump is an expert at it

arista
05-07-2024, 08:37 PM
Northern Ireland:


7 : Sinn Fein

5: DUP
2:SDLP
1 :Ind.
1:ALL
1:TUV
1:UUP


Data: Ch5HDnews

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 08:55 PM
people have been making up crap for decades. Trump is an expert at it

This has nothing to do with your hatred of an American politician

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 08:56 PM
Muslims in Britain will vote Labour until they can vote Muslim, then it’s bye-bye Labour. That’s what is happening now.

arista
05-07-2024, 09:09 PM
Labour :412

Conservative :121
LibDems: 71
SNP : 9
SF:7
DUP:5
Reform UK :5
Greens :4
Others :15

smudgie
05-07-2024, 09:18 PM
1809075401357971491

Ah. Barmy Brunch.:laugh:

Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2024, 10:04 PM
Meet the UK’s new Justice Minister.


Shabana Mahmood has become the new Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State
for Justice.

The ‘Free Palestine’ activist will be in charge of the administration and reform of

core parts of the British justice system.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRvF3xlWkAAzpVm?format=jpg&name=900x900

Beso
05-07-2024, 10:18 PM
She's got Kahns eyes.

Crimson Dynamo
06-07-2024, 09:08 AM
The Electoral Reform Society says this was the most disproportional election in
British history.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRyvKB4WcAAmc8L?format=jpg&name=900x900

Kazanne
06-07-2024, 09:23 AM
Thankfully our local lad won again.
As a Tory voter since Tony Blair I really do think it was time for a change, if not for any other reason that the country had to have a chance to see how Labour can handle being in charge.
I don’t expect any major improvements in the first year or so at least, but hopefully it will stop the constant moaning.
Jess Phillips is one of my favourite Labour mp’s and the way she was heckled is disgusting.
George Galloway is a ruddy joke.
Best results for me was Truss going and also Ashworth.

Exactly my feelings Smudgie,couldnt stand Ashworth.:wavey:

joeysteele
06-07-2024, 09:27 AM
This electoral system is a massive stain on real democracy.

It has little to do with votes in the end, it's all down to the seats targeted and won.

I've now argued years for it to end and to have PR.
The vote in 2011 was NOT about real PR.
AV wouldn't have altered the governing process in more than 3 elections since the war

There's doesn't need to be any referendum on PR.
All for instance Labour would need to do as it will NEVER be supported by the Conservative Party.
Is accept the Labour conferences overwhelmingly supporting PR now, put it in the next manifesto.
IF they win that next election then implement it for the next one

He'd be guaranteed a massive win again, because all Parties including Reform would be supporting them on it.

I will along with I'd estimate, 90% of other Labour members, trade unionists and even Labour MPs continually keep making the case for PR.
It's used in Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland for their assembly elections.

I can't stand Reform and Farage particularly.
However to get 14% of the votes and only 5 seats.
As opposed to the Greens lower votes yet getting 4 seats.
Plus the LibDems getting 12% but winning 72 seats.

Just shows how this first past the post system discredits the voting process now rather than is a sign of real democratic elections of governments.

Oliver_W
06-07-2024, 10:49 AM
This electoral system is a massive stain on real democracy.

It has little to do with votes in the end, it's all down to the seats targeted and won.

I've now argued years for it to end and to have PR.
The vote in 2011 was NOT about real PR.
AV wouldn't have altered the governing process in more than 3 elections since the war

There's doesn't need to be any referendum on PR.
All for instance Labour would need to do as it will NEVER be supported by the Conservative Party.
Is accept the Labour conferences overwhelmingly supporting PR now, put it in the next manifesto.
IF they win that next election then implement it for the next one

He'd be guaranteed a massive win again, because all Parties including Reform would be supporting them on it.

I will along with I'd estimate, 90% of other Labour members, trade unionists and even Labour MPs continually keep making the case for PR.
It's used in Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland for their assembly elections.

I can't stand Reform and Farage particularly.
However to get 14% of the votes and only 5 seats.
As opposed to the Greens lower votes yet getting 4 seats.
Plus the LibDems getting 12% but winning 72 seats.

Just shows how this first past the post system discredits the voting process now rather than is a sign of real democratic elections of governments.

How would PR work with our parliamentary system? We vote for who we'd like to represent our area in parliament.

If the seats were allocated based on country-wide votes, how could we chose our representatives?

joeysteele
06-07-2024, 10:59 AM
How would PR work with our parliamentary system? We vote for who we'd like to represent our area in parliament.

If the seats were allocated based on country-wide votes, how could we chose our representatives?

It's Party government not singular Presidency.

We vote for Parties.
There are many forms of PR.
I don't know which one would be the best, I believe it would need consensus between as many Parties as possible to decide on the right one.

However my own personal view is, if people think it right that voters can go out and vote for Parties who get 14% of the votes but only 5 seats.
Whereas those getting less and far less in some cases but get the same number virtually of seats or 72 for 2% less votes.
Fine, first past the post is good for those people.

However if voters would more like to believe their votes really counted and could make a difference.
Then first past the post is wrong for them.
Where an overall mandate of any size only comes from the number of seats won rather than the actual number of votes cast is near more irrelevant.

There hasn't been one Party government in the 20th century or so far 21st century.
Which got over 50% of the votes cast.
However then did end up winnning anything up to over 60% of the seats at times

I think it wrong and even moreso now where from to a third of voters up to 40% in this election just done don't even bother to vote at all.

bots
06-07-2024, 11:00 AM
How would PR work with our parliamentary system? We vote for who we'd like to represent our area in parliament.

If the seats were allocated based on country-wide votes, how could we chose our representatives?

there are variations of pr, where people still get to pick the one with the most votes

However, i am a strong advocate for FPP, it provides stability most of the time via strong majority governments, and I would have that any day of the week over pandering to small extremist groups

MTVN
06-07-2024, 12:07 PM
I like our system. It means there's a strong link between a local area and their MP and it provides clarity from government. A lot of European countries end up without functioning governments for long periods of time because of PR and it ends up with coalition governments where the parties all give up on the policies that people actually voted for

And yes the seat share and vote share can be very different here but that's also because parties are more deliberate about where they dedicate their resources. The Lib Dems were very tactical about which seats to target this time around

Oliver_W
06-07-2024, 12:09 PM
However if voters would more like to believe their votes really counted and could make a difference.


They do that by choosing who they want to represent them.

joeysteele
06-07-2024, 12:21 PM
They do that by choosing who they want to represent them.

Why do the third of voters who haven't voted in elections since 1997 don't believe that then?
There hasn't been an election with a 70% turnout since 1997.
27 years ago.

It's fine that you prefer first past the post.
Perfectly fine I respect that.

I think it wrong that voters have to see the Conservatives get 24% of the vote and 121 seats
The Lib Dems get 12% and 72 seats.
Labour get only 34% but 412 seats.

While other Parties don't get anything like that for their voters efforts to support them

Look, It's time in my view, I appreciate it's not others.
To make government only possible not from the seats targeted and won, however made possible from a system that is more representative of ACTUAL votes cast.
I think that much fairer.

Crimson Dynamo
06-07-2024, 12:32 PM
The new independent MP for Blackburn after taking the seat from Labour.
They celebrate his victory by chanting for the genocide of the Jews and to ‘free Palestine’.
They’re in Blackburn.
These voters aren’t voting with Britain in mind.
And Labour are the ones that did this to us!

chilling video here: https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1809371027136188705

:skull:

and note all men

the women get to take pics segregated off in the crowd...

The Slim Reaper
06-07-2024, 12:35 PM
The new independent MP for Blackburn after taking the seat from Labour.
They celebrate his victory by chanting for the genocide of the Jews and to ‘free Palestine’.
They’re in Blackburn.
These voters aren’t voting with Britain in mind.
And Labour are the ones that did this to us!

chilling video here: https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1809371027136188705

:skull:

I know this is just another template number 3 post, but no one was shouting for the genocide of the Jews, and using Jews as political footballs is real anti Semitism.

Crimson Dynamo
06-07-2024, 12:35 PM
I know this is just another template number 3 post, but no one was shouting for the genocide of the Jews, and using Jews as political footballs is real anti Semitism.

From the river to the sea they chanted

“From the River to the Sea, Palestine Will Be Free” is a rallying cry for terrorist groups and their sympathizers, from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) to Hamas, which called for Israel’s
destruction in its original governing charter in 1988 and was responsible for the October 7, 2023 terror attack on Israeli civilians, murdering over 1,200 people in the single deadliest day for Jews since the
Holocaust. It is also a common call-to-arms for pro-Palestinian activists, especially student activists on college campuses. It calls for the establishment of a State of Palestine from the Jordan River to the
Mediterranean Sea, erasing the State of Israel and its people. Another phrase “Globalize the Intifada,” which uses the Arabic word for “uprising” or “shaking off,” also calls for widespread violence against both
Israelis and Jews across the globe

:skull:

Liam-
06-07-2024, 12:36 PM
Fptp is fine, it’s created all sorts of governments, hung, coalition and majorities, it’s concise and offers the best possibility for stability based on what the country votes for, a chaotic parliament which would be created by pr would never be able to get anything done

The Slim Reaper
06-07-2024, 12:37 PM
From the river to the sea they chanted

Which says nothing about "killing all the Jews" and is about freedom for Palestine and getting their stolen lands back.

Crimson Dynamo
06-07-2024, 12:38 PM
Which says nothing about "killing all the Jews" and is about freedom for Palestine and getting their stolen lands back.

“From the River to the Sea, Palestine Will Be Free” is a rallying cry for terrorist groups and their sympathizers, from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) to Hamas, which called for Israel’s destruction in its original governing charter in 1988 and was responsible for the October 7, 2023 terror attack on Israeli civilians, murdering over 1,200 people in the single deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust. It is also a common call-to-arms for pro-Palestinian activists, especially student activists on college campuses. It calls for the establishment of a State of Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, erasing the State of Israel and its people. Another phrase “Globalize the Intifada,” which uses the Arabic word for “uprising” or “shaking off,” also calls for widespread violence against both Israelis and Jews across the globe

https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/From-the-River-to-the-Sea

get real

Liam-
06-07-2024, 12:41 PM
Is it antisemitic when the zionists chant it?

Crimson Dynamo
06-07-2024, 12:43 PM
Even Labour agree

Last month, Vienna police banned a pro-Palestinian demonstration, citing the fact that the phrase “from the river to the sea” was mentioned in invitations and characterizing it as a call to violence.

And in Britain, the Labour party issued a temporary punishment to a member of Parliament, Andy McDonald, for using the phrase during a rally at which he called for a stop to bombardment.

The Slim Reaper
06-07-2024, 12:45 PM
“From the River to the Sea, Palestine Will Be Free” is a rallying cry for terrorist groups and their sympathizers, from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) to Hamas, which called for Israel’s destruction in its original governing charter in 1988 and was responsible for the October 7, 2023 terror attack on Israeli civilians, murdering over 1,200 people in the single deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust. It is also a common call-to-arms for pro-Palestinian activists, especially student activists on college campuses. It calls for the establishment of a State of Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, erasing the State of Israel and its people. Another phrase “Globalize the Intifada,” which uses the Arabic word for “uprising” or “shaking off,” also calls for widespread violence against both Israelis and Jews across the globe

https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/From-the-River-to-the-Sea

get real


AJC = American Jewish Committee

American Jews have more rights to live in Palestine than palestinians.

An American Jew living in Brooklyn, for example, who has never even been to Palestine has the right to go and kick a Palestinian family out of their home at gun point, and under the threat of violence, to then take their home off them for themselves.

I doubt the AJC is an impartial observer, as they are currently involved in that which they are accusing Palestinians of: Genocide (the removal of people from a land).

Oliver_W
06-07-2024, 12:46 PM
Why do the third of voters who haven't voted in elections since 1997 don't believe that then?


Because they don't understand how the system works, and probably think we're directly electing the Prime Minister.

The Slim Reaper
06-07-2024, 12:51 PM
Feeling slightly more optimistic about this gov than I was 2 days ago.

1809503192511602776

Liam-
06-07-2024, 01:08 PM
Rwanda scheme dropped, striking doctors and nurses brought back to the table, experts in their fields given jobs, all within 24 hours, the guys off to a cracking start I’ll give him that

Liam-
06-07-2024, 01:11 PM
Feeling slightly more optimistic about this gov than I was 2 days ago.

1809503192511602776

An inspired appointment

Crimson Dynamo
06-07-2024, 01:22 PM
J.K. Rowling TWEETS
@jk_rowling


Now try declaring yourself a winner, John.

#GeneralElection2024

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRs6Cb_WYAAu8JW?format=jpg&name=small

BULLSEYE!

The Slim Reaper
06-07-2024, 01:25 PM
J.K. Rowling TWEETS
@jk_rowling


Now try declaring yourself a winner, John.

#GeneralElection2024

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRs6Cb_WYAAu8JW?format=jpg&name=small

BULLSEYE!

Is Joanne now saying that lesbians can't self identify?

Genuine question, as I'm not aware of anything else surrounding that candidate.

joeysteele
06-07-2024, 02:13 PM
Because they don't understand how the system works, and probably think we're directly electing the Prime Minister.

Nah, maybe a fair number that could apply to but not the Millions of the third of voters who don't vote.

I don't believe all those millions are that thick, that they don't understand, going to a polling station, get a slip of paper, put a cross beside the Party you like/ want.
Then put it straight into a big black box there waiting.

I've talked to, (I've lost count of how many), who don't vote.
The vast majority don't vote because they think their votes are wasted and make no difference.

I obviously get you prefer first past the post.
However I don't, I feel sad so many people eligible to vote don't because the system has them feeling the votes are wasted so they're wasting their time doing so.

Crimson Dynamo
06-07-2024, 02:53 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/07/05/TELEMMGLPICT000384543516_17201992503380.jpeg?imwid th=640

Crimson Dynamo
06-07-2024, 02:58 PM
Is Joanne now saying that lesbians can't self identify?

Genuine question, as I'm not aware of anything else surrounding that candidate.

"However, it was a statement during cross-examination, about same-sex-attracted women that enranged campaigners. He said, “You are a lesbian, if you declare yourself one”. A comment deemed homophobic by lesbians who believe you must be a biological woman to be a lesbian and who say they face abuse for asserting a transwoman is not a lesbian.

He also stated "aggressively" that those concerned about the "transing" of girls are "obsessed with genitals" and refused to admit that a 16-year-old is a "child". What's more, is that he and Mermaid's representatives admitted that they have not read the full interim Cass review that undermined many of the arguments used to support controversial trans healthcare offered to children and young people."

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-branded-misogynist-bigot-27988007

Ammi
06-07-2024, 03:15 PM
Rwanda scheme dropped, striking doctors and nurses brought back to the table, experts in their fields given jobs, all within 24 hours, the guys off to a cracking start I’ll give him that

…this is such a great start to a weekend that the previous government never gave us …:love:..

Zizu
06-07-2024, 03:21 PM
Rwanda scheme dropped, striking doctors and nurses brought back to the table, experts in their fields given jobs, all within 24 hours, the guys off to a cracking start I’ll give him that


Any links to these claims ?


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The Slim Reaper
06-07-2024, 03:22 PM
"However, it was a statement during cross-examination, about same-sex-attracted women that enranged campaigners. He said, “You are a lesbian, if you declare yourself one”. A comment deemed homophobic by lesbians who believe you must be a biological woman to be a lesbian and who say they face abuse for asserting a transwoman is not a lesbian.

He also stated "aggressively" that those concerned about the "transing" of girls are "obsessed with genitals" and refused to admit that a 16-year-old is a "child". What's more, is that he and Mermaid's representatives admitted that they have not read the full interim Cass review that undermined many of the arguments used to support controversial trans healthcare offered to children and young people."

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mp-branded-misogynist-bigot-27988007

Cheers for adding the context.

GoldHeart
06-07-2024, 03:24 PM
Any links to these claims ?


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TBF these have popped up on news headlines online. This is however still the honeymoon period, so Starmer will obviously want to impress.

user104658
06-07-2024, 05:43 PM
Rwanda scheme dropped, striking doctors and nurses brought back to the table, experts in their fields given jobs, all within 24 hours, the guys off to a cracking start I’ll give him that

Nurses strikes ended a while ago. Though if he really wants brownie points, he'll bring nurses pay back to the table without strike action being needed on the first place.

Zizu
06-07-2024, 06:07 PM
TBF these have popped up on news headlines online. This is however still the honeymoon period, so Starmer will obviously want to impress.


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Zizu
06-07-2024, 06:09 PM
Rwanda scheme dropped, striking doctors and nurses brought back to the table, experts in their fields given jobs, all within 24 hours, the guys off to a cracking start I’ll give him that


What experts ?
What jobs ?


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GoldHeart
06-07-2024, 06:10 PM
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I got some popping up from the telegraph & another local newspaper post . I couldn't read all the articles all as I'm not subscribing to it

Stuff to do with Rwanda ,PIP & universal credit, employment etc .

Zizu
06-07-2024, 06:10 PM
Rwanda scheme dropped, striking doctors and nurses brought back to the table, experts in their fields given jobs, all within 24 hours, the guys off to a cracking start I’ll give him that


23rd May 2024

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Zizu
06-07-2024, 06:11 PM
Rwanda scheme dropped, striking doctors and nurses brought back to the table, experts in their fields given jobs, all within 24 hours, the guys off to a cracking start I’ll give him that


Is that you , Kier ?

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Zizu
06-07-2024, 06:16 PM
..

The Slim Reaper
06-07-2024, 08:10 PM
https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/shame-on-islington-north-for-falling-for-magic-grandpa-again-geludcyo

Shame on Islington North for falling for magic grandpa again

So, the good people of Islington North have spoken. Just as Britain abandons Project Corbyn, the intelligentsia of Highbury Fields holds on – as Roger Waters once sang – to the dream.

I have a confession. I was born in Islington and lived there for many years. And yes, I do feel more than a trickle of shame.

I’ve spent plenty of time sitting in the well-appointed extensions of middle-class socialists trying to explain why magic grandpa is not the Messiah but just a bigoted populist, a mirror image of those on the far right that your standard Islingtonian loves to hate.

Clearly, my campaigning was to no avail. Jeremy wants peace and justice and hates genocide, and that’s enough for the true believers.

Of course, it would be disingenuous to suggest that Corbyn is selling a niche product. Candidates up and down the country won by tapping heavily into the Gaza vote.

But he is the full package for the quinoa class, the premium version of the organic vegetable basket – every hard-left belief packed into one box – and he knows it.

At a campaign rally at a community centre in the borough, amid an interminable ramble about war and peace, Corbyn conceded: “I eat croissants. And if you want to, then it is fine by me.”

He may have mis-read the country in repeated general elections, but no one can accuse him of getting Islington wrong. And by doing that, he has shown that his brand has life in it yet.

In a small, Islington-sized way, there lies the true challenge facing Keir Starmer: a successful government cannot merely seek to improve life for Britons – it must detoxify politics itself.

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MTVN
06-07-2024, 09:44 PM
What experts ?
What jobs ?


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Patrick Vallance and James Timpson both brought into government

The Slim Reaper
07-07-2024, 12:56 PM
This young man is about to find himself in a spot of hot water. Been accused of catfishing a classmate in year 11 and sharing his nudes to the accusers friends, which ended up outing him to his family.

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bots
07-07-2024, 01:37 PM
isn't democracy wonderful

The Slim Reaper
07-07-2024, 02:19 PM
isn't democracy wonderful

I'll let you know if we ever get it...

Zizu
07-07-2024, 02:41 PM
Patrick Vallance and James Timpson both brought into government


Wasn’t Patrick Valance someone targeted by Labour during Covid ??


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Zizu
07-07-2024, 02:42 PM
This young man is about to find himself in a spot of hot water. Been accused of catfishing a classmate in year 11 and sharing his nudes to the accusers friends, which ended up outing him to his family.

1809864693369946433


…. and so it begins

LOL

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Crimson Dynamo
07-07-2024, 03:19 PM
I mean apart from the size of his head and his patroinsing tone he starts off the interview saying that experience is of no use and and I ends it telling us about all his experiences he has had to date

who the f.uck voted for that berk?

GoldHeart
07-07-2024, 03:41 PM
I mean apart from the size of his head and his patroinsing tone he starts off the interview saying that experience is of no use and and I ends it telling us about all his experiences he has had to date

who the f.uck voted for that berk?

Probably some sympathy vote, who knows.

bots
07-07-2024, 03:43 PM
they voted for him because he was not a tory, like most other people in the election :laugh:

Ray.
07-07-2024, 03:46 PM
…. and so it begins

LOL

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Wow. Give him a beard and an N on his forehead and he'd look the spitting image of Doctor Cortex

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Crimson Dynamo
07-07-2024, 03:49 PM
I mean he is saying I dont understand what experience is because I haven't had any

I pretty sure he also does not understand what its like to not be a virgin...

:rolleyes:

GoldHeart
07-07-2024, 03:54 PM
they voted for him because he was not a tory, like most other people in the election :laugh:

There's that aswell

Crimson Dynamo
10-07-2024, 09:32 AM
Jonathan Ashworth
jonAshworth


This is deeply disturbing & alarming.

It’s said this individual is a key campaigner for Leic South’s new MP Shockat Adam Patel.

@ShockatAdam
must now condemn this individual & condemn those organising demonstrations
defending him.

The safety of people must always come first.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSHMLyoaYAAVru2?format=jpg&name=small

surprised?

Oliver_W
10-07-2024, 09:40 AM
I'll let you know if we ever get it...

What do we have now?

Crimson Dynamo
10-07-2024, 09:54 AM
Jonathan Ashworth
jonAshworth


This is deeply disturbing & alarming.

It’s said this individual is a key campaigner for Leic South’s new MP Shockat Adam Patel.

@ShockatAdam
must now condemn this individual & condemn those organising demonstrations
defending him.

The safety of people must always come first.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSHMLyoaYAAVru2?format=jpg&name=small

surprised?


Alex Phillips
@ThatAlexWoman

So when Labour said 'nothing to see here' as their MPs got intimidated,
terrorised, and threatened in certain constituencies, some losing their seats
to so-called Pro-Palestine independents, we realise there is a lot to see here.
We see that proscribed organisations now have their own MPs in our
Parliament


https://x.com/ThatAlexWoman/status/1810958890651037989

This is the man

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user104658
10-07-2024, 10:56 AM
My political apathy has clearly peaked which is a bit concerning. I have literally no idea what's happened since the 5th :think:. Cannot be arsed. I've become one of those.

Cherie
10-07-2024, 01:11 PM
Jonathan Ashworth
jonAshworth


This is deeply disturbing & alarming.

It’s said this individual is a key campaigner for Leic South’s new MP Shockat Adam Patel.

@ShockatAdam
must now condemn this individual & condemn those organising demonstrations
defending him.

The safety of people must always come first.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSHMLyoaYAAVru2?format=jpg&name=small

surprised?

Nope

Cherie
10-07-2024, 01:15 PM
Alex Phillips
@ThatAlexWoman

So when Labour said 'nothing to see here' as their MPs got intimidated,
terrorised, and threatened in certain constituencies, some losing their seats
to so-called Pro-Palestine independents, we realise there is a lot to see here.
We see that proscribed organisations now have their own MPs in our
Parliament


https://x.com/ThatAlexWoman/status/1810958890651037989

This is the man



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSHH07aXwAAdWRt?format=png&name=small

Nothing to see here at all, they are just all very worried about Gaza dont you know

Crimson Dynamo
10-07-2024, 01:49 PM
How could that crack investigative team over at Channel 4 have missed this?

:think:

Livia
10-07-2024, 02:05 PM
How could that crack investigative team over at Channel 4 have missed this?

:think:

Crap investigative team, more like.

The Slim Reaper
10-07-2024, 07:45 PM
What do we have now?

An illusion or a shadow of democracy.

The Slim Reaper
10-07-2024, 07:46 PM
:joker:


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Cherie
11-07-2024, 06:08 AM
:joker:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSIjMquWgAAwE2F?format=jpg&name=900x900

what a load of nonsense

Crimson Dynamo
20-07-2024, 03:10 PM
The real winner at the 2024 general election was not Labour but "none of the
above". A total rejection of the two big parties.

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user104658
20-07-2024, 04:58 PM
The real winner at the 2024 general election was not Labour but "none of the
above". A total rejection of the two big parties.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GS8G4-aXgAAp49E?format=png&name=900x900

But according to this that witch happened in 1997 and the latest "uptick" began in 2019 - so the May/Boris crossover era seems to have been the catalyst for "new" political apathy. Or more probably... Covid.

Also does illustrate quite clearly that the leadership hokey-pokey and Covid has been the downfall of the Tories. Look at that blue drop. Ouch.

Crimson Dynamo
20-07-2024, 05:23 PM
But according to this that witch happened in 1997 and the latest "uptick" began in 2019 - so the May/Boris crossover era seems to have been the catalyst for "new" political apathy. Or more probably... Covid.

Also does illustrate quite clearly that the leadership hokey-pokey and Covid has been the downfall of the Tories. Look at that blue drop. Ouch.

and at the exact same time the Reform tick went the oppo way!

Beso
26-09-2025, 12:42 PM
What a joyous read this was.