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[bots]

There is strong speculation that the election will be held in July

[Kate!]

Come on Labour!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Come on Labour!

:skull:

Their leader thinks that women can have penises and went down on one knee for the Violent Marxist mob BLM

[joeysteele]

I'm ready whenever it is to help in all ways I can to get this rotten from the core shambles of a hard-line heartless government OUT.

The alternative is not wholly appetising but at least there should be far more in the way of understanding, compassion, compromise, more fairness and justice.

No matter where it is across Great Britain, whichever Party is best placed in second places to beat the Cons then I hope voters will help ensure that comes about .

There's not another single Party ( except possibly the extreme DUP), in the current parliament who would in any shape or form want this Con Party back in government.
So voters I hope will think hard on that too.

The only SURE way to ensure this smug and arrogant shower are booted out is to vote Labour.
Under this atrocious electoral system we have.
I'll be championing Labour.

Anyone and any Party HOWEVER couldn't be even just as bad as this ignorant bunch in now, never mind be worse

[Liam-]

So excited for nothing to change under labour

[Oliver_W]

July?!

Calling it for July at this point would almost be a snap election.

It would be pretty stupid for the Tories to have it this soon, as the wind is still somewhat blowing in Labour's direction. Unless they're just waving the white flag, one would have thought they'd want to engineer a scandal to disrepute Labour, and/or push through some mind-blowing policies...

Are they giving up?

[Beso]

Some people are calling this government heartless, and even though they wiped our faces in the covid mess whilst lording it up themselves, we do now have a leader less heartless than his predecessors the last 50 years as he has addressed the contaminated blood issue.

[Zizu]

I wish someone would start a brand new party

No politicians .. just honest , super-intelligent, experienced people .

Get successful financiers in charge of the nation’s finances .. amazing doctors/surgeons / dietitians in charge of the NHS and so on ..

The best people for the jobs/roles


Not this nonsense of corruption and incompetence


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[Livia]

I agree with Zizu. I would be in favour of raising the salary of MPs to attract top people because at the moment, we get people who're involved with other businesses or have trust funds. A financier or surgeon wouldn't accept an MP's salary. I would raise their salary but stipulate that being an MP must be their one and only job. I'd also like to see the military run defence, although I know that'll never happen.

Currenly, I have no idea at all who I would vote for, they're all bloody useless.

[joeysteele]

I think the last thing we need is another new Party or Parties.
What is needed are ALL the current Parties to listen to the people and get back to serving the people rather than themselves and their hunger for power only.

It's why I believe in PR now.
Not as a solution but as the start of a solution to the mess UK politics is and even the structure of governing and parliament.

The vast majority of ALL MPs enter politics with really good intentions and hopes.
No matter their Party.
However, it's the unnecessary confrontational and divisive politics highlighted by sadly the party leaders.
Then the removal of Independent and conscience related thinking by the brainwashing almost of the MPs through the whipping system, which ruins so much that could be positive.

Over a third of voters eligible to vote, do not do so.
Cons, Labour and others fail to grasp why .
Because with so many Parties and Independent candidates too.
Still that up to a third see no one they could vote for.

The Conservatives are the oldest and one of the strongest election winning machines..
That should never be underestimated and it should even be admired.
I don't believe there's any Party that really wishes to make lives unbearable for the UK citizens or even wish to damage the Country either.

However for me it's become clearer to me that absolute power on a minority of the votes cast
Now more fails in government than helps succeed .

Which is why I support PR as a starting point to begin a process of positive changes to government.
It's why I'm livid with my current, I say current Party leader Starmer for rejecting the overwhelming vote in favour of PR at the 2 Labour conferences before last year's.

However I hope that will be in the next manifesto if Labour win this coming election.
I stress IF, because I'd never underestimate the Conservative machinery of winning elections


Because it will end for all Parties, the being given absolute powers, for around 40%+ of votes cast.

PR, will only come from when one major Party decides to adopt it.
The Con party NEVER ever will.
The whole movement of Labour now wants it.
I will join any efforts to get it adopted by Labour now for the election after this coming one

Maybe then that will help with many who no longer vote to do so believing their votes can make a difference.
Hopefully removing the false hatred and divisions in parliament, by forcing a much better working together by more Parties.
Plus ensuring no Party rules with absolute unfettered power again hopefully too.

[bots]

Take a look at America, that is what is coming here. It may not be at the next election, but it will apply to the one after that. Our opinion of politicians is way to high

[joeysteele]

The PM needs to stop this playing with the electorate re an election.

We should have had one
With all that's going on in the World a new stronger mandated government should be in place.

Were Sunak to be calling an election sooner now before Autumn.
Then it's either because there's moves against him and/ or that he's expecting more bad news on the home front or internationally later in the year.
Voters be WARNED.

Fuelling this election rumour, will only likely infuriate the voters more if he continues to tease.

If he thinks he's got the argument to make and no else has.
Put his money where his mouth is and call an election.

[arista]

There is strong speculation that the election will be held in July

Sky News says Thursday 4th Of July

[Crimson Dynamo]

General election to be called for July 4, Telegraph understands

[arista]

Now Sad BBC

also say 4th of July

[arista]

LBC says he will call 4th of July

in the next hour or so

[MTVN]

Surprised at the timing really. I thought an autumn date was looking more likely given the economy is showing modest signs of improving but going this soon won't give any time for people to really feel that

Maybe he's hoping everyone will be buoyant in the summer especially if the Euros are going well

[arista]

Near Downing Street
some protestor is playing Amplified Oprea Music.


Police should arrest him.

[Cherie]

Surprised at the timing really. I thought an autumn date was looking more likely given the economy is showing modest signs of improving but going this soon won't give any time for people to really feel that

Maybe he's hoping everyone will be buoyant in the summer especially if the Euros are going well

If England and Scotland crash out of the Euros they wont be so buoyant :laugh:

[bots]

Surprised at the timing really. I thought an autumn date was looking more likely given the economy is showing modest signs of improving but going this soon won't give any time for people to really feel that

Maybe he's hoping everyone will be buoyant in the summer especially if the Euros are going well

i think Sunak feels that things are stable and predictable at the moment and that may not continue later into the year

[joeysteele]

Surprised at the timing really. I thought an autumn date was looking more likely given the economy is showing modest signs of improving but going this soon won't give any time for people to really feel that

Maybe he's hoping everyone will be buoyant in the summer especially if the Euros are going well

He's had the low inflation news this month.

He's maybe been advised better news on that and some fronts may come again in June.

Good news during any election campaign would be very welcome to any PM and government.

It would seem like a mad decision on paper but he may feel where things are now, are the best he could expect for the rest of the year.
So take the chance.

[arista]

5PM Sunak goes Live

[bots]

You heard it on TiBB before the major news outlets :smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Breaking Bots is his new name

[joeysteele]

You heard it on TiBB before the major news outlets :smug:

Well done to you bots.

[Cherie]

You would have thought they would have waited until after the Autumn statement and given a few sweetners...buy hey who am I to judge

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ex-No 10 chief of staff predicts exodus of Tory MPs in coming days

Lord Barwell, who served as chief of staff in No 10 during Theresa May’s premiership,
predicted a “fair few” Tory MPs will announce in the coming days that they are standing
down if Rishi Sunak does call an election on July 4, as expected.

The Tory peer said that would not be an “ideal start” for the Conservative campaign.

[joeysteele]

You would have thought they would have waited until after the Autumn statement and given a few sweetners...buy hey who am I to judge

Maybe he's realising he won't be able to give any sweeteners now later in the year.

[bots]

You would have thought they would have waited until after the Autumn statement and given a few sweetners...buy hey who am I to judge

i think there is a strong likelihood that the poop will hit the fan later in the year, so it's now or never

[smudgie]

I am all for it.
We need a good shake up one way or another.
It should be a better turn out in the summer as well.

[Crimson Dynamo]

8vvXe-weAB8
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[arista]

You would have thought they would have waited until after the Autumn statement and given a few sweetners...buy hey who am I to judge


He will stuff it all in June

[bots]

The SNP will be overjoyed at this news :laugh:

[arista]

Due to the Rain

He may do it inside

[arista]

Parliament may close (dissolve)
Tuesday 30th May.

[arista]

GBnewsHD

may have to stop the Live 8PM Jacob show

While the Election is on.

[arista]

Clock is ticking

Get a move on
Sunak
Its raining
so do it inside

[arista]

Good the Podium
is out



No Crest on it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

LATE AS USUAL

[arista]

LATE AS USUAL

Blame the Rain

[arista]

LIVE NOW

[arista]

History Bloody Lesson Time

[arista]

Now at the Gates Protestor

Loud Speaker

[Crimson Dynamo]

someone give him a brolly

[arista]

someone give him a brolly


4 July Confirmed

[arista]

someone give him a brolly


Yes easy to do

[arista]

Why are Police not
stopping the Amp and Speaker

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why are Police not
stopping the Amp and Speaker

I would shoot it with a pistol

[arista]

I would shoot it with a pistol


Yes Destroy it

[joeysteele]

Why are Police not
stopping the Amp and Speaker

:joker: blasting out Blair's things can only get better tune

[bots]

He is starting with a party political broadcast :laugh:

[arista]

Could you add Thurs.
to your title, please

[arista]

The Amp/Speaker was playing Labour Election Song 1997


Ch5HDnews Live

[bots]

all elections are on a thursday

[arista]

:joker: blasting out Blair's things can only get better tune


Sure but it was so loud
it was disstorted

[arista]

326 seats Sunak will need

[Liam-]

Sunak will have his flights to California booked and ready for when he loses

[arista]

Sunak will have his flights to California booked and ready for when he loses


We will see

[Crimson Dynamo]

They have just interviewed a lady called "Vanessa" in Cardiff and told her that Sunak has called an election

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11766830.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PROD-Brenda-from-Bristol.jpg

[arista]

Starmer going Live

5:45PM

[arista]

Tubby Starmer Now Live

[arista]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2024/05/22/666435855521198863/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_666435855521198863.jpg

[arista]

Thats just before he got Soaked

[arista]

After a while he got Soaked

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/22/17/85212233-13448143-image-a-29_1716397077432.jpg

[joeysteele]

I do wish Sunak would stop sticking his tongue between his lips when speaking.
It looks awful.

[arista]

Some MP's have had to cancel their Holidays

Tough Titty

[Cherie]

They have just interviewed a lady called "Vanessa" in Cardiff and told her that Sunak has called an election

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11766830.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PROD-Brenda-from-Bristol.jpg

:joker:

[Cherie]

After a while he got Soaked

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/22/17/85212233-13448143-image-a-29_1716397077432.jpg

He didn't go for the wally with the brolly look then

[arista]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2024/05/22/4265148937453875934/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_4265148937453875934.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2024/05/22/4265148937453875934/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_4265148937453875934.jpg

:joker:

[arista]

The King was to have a meeting with PM Sunak
at 7:45PM

That has been Cancelled

As Sunak went to ask him permission.


Also whoever takes power
will have to go to the place the King is.


Example: PM Truss went to Scotland


Ref: Royal Reporter of GBnewsHD

[arista]

The Royals
have had to cancel all Events.

[arista]

I think the Police
did not stop the Amp and Speaker
on purpose.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think the Police
did not stop the Amp and Speaker
on purpose.

would not be surprised with the 2-tier woke Met police in Khan's London

[Crimson Dynamo]

John Swinney: Vote for SNP is ‘vote to put Scotland first’

John Swinney, the leader of the SNP, said a vote for his party at the general election would be a “vote to put Scotland first”.

He said: “I very much look forward to leading the SNP in this election campaign. This is the moment to remove the Tory government and put Scotland first by voting SNP. We will work night and day to protect them from the damage done by Westminster.

“The SNP offers a better future to the broken Westminster consensus. In this election we’ll be making the case why decisions about Scotland should be made here – and I’ll take that message to every part of Scotland.

“In government, we’ve grown Scotland’s economy, doubled frontline funding for the NHS and ensured Scotland has the highest number of GPs per head in the UK.

“We’re helping with the cost of living through measures such as free prescriptions, free bus travel for under-22s and off-peak rail fares all day. A vote for the SNP is a vote to put Scotland first – and for Scotland to become an independent country.”

He added that in reality the SNP would be obsessed with independence, gender activism and woke progressive politics but can you still vote for him..please..cheers

[arista]

Typical of Sad BBC


BBC1HD Local news now at 7PM


SkyHD have Updated it

Virginmedia has not

[Ammi]

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[arista]

Conservative 344
Labour 205
SNP 43
Independents 17
LibDem 15
DUP 7
Sinn Fein 7
Alba 2
Reform UK 1
Workers Party 1
Green 1


Selected Data: BBC

[Glenn.]

Thank **** for that. Get the ****ing idiots out

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thank **** for that. Get the ****ing idiots out

they are the ones coming in on the 5th

[Gusto Brunt]

Sunak might do a John Major and get on his soap box and win. :p

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03271/4595090_John_Major_3271681b.jpg?imwidth=680

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sunak might do a John Major and get on his soap box and win. :p

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03271/4595090_John_Major_3271681b.jpg?imwidth=680

I stayed up all night for that count (in of all places Guildford)

Amazing

[arista]

would not be surprised with the 2-tier woke Met police in Khan's London


Yes LT
could be


It was Big Steve Bray Protestor
with Big Amp and Speaker

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trades Union Congress
@The_TUC

Forced to work in the rain unnecessarily?

Join a union.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOMsbIeWQAA5dji?format=jpg&name=small


https://x.com/The_TUC/status/1793327489709641843

[arista]

Starmer had to Big UK Flags
behind him................

[Crimson Dynamo]

Starmer had to Big UK Flags
behind him................

typical far-right flag-shagger

[Glenn.]

they are the ones coming in on the 5th

Don’t care who it is just as long as the Tory reign ends

[Zizu]

Don’t care who it is just as long as the Tory reign ends


Stephen Fry for prime minister !?


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[Oliver_W]

Starmer had to Big UK Flags
behind him................

I bet that caused some whinging.

[Mystic Mock]

they are the ones coming in on the 5th

They're both idiots imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They're both idiots imo.

Mock is most wise

[MTVN]

The optics of carrying out that speech while getting drenched with the music being blasted over it couldn't have been much worse

It had been raining all afternoon so not exactly a surprise. He should have either arranged some cover or just done a very short punchy speech

[Crimson Dynamo]

The optics of carrying out that speech while getting drenched with the music being blasted over it couldn't have been much worse

It had been raining all afternoon so not exactly a surprise. He should have either arranged some cover or just done a very short punchy speech

Not reading the room is peak Sunak and his **** advisors

[bots]

i don't think i've ever been less interested in the outcome of an election.

My feeling is that there are some really bad things coming in the fairly immediate future (june onward) and Sunak is holding the election now so that labour gets the blame for it

[joeysteele]

I think it showed poor judgement as usual in presenting such a long speech
I think it was arista who said he was giving a history lesson.

Clearly from Starmer and Labour they were up and ready to go rapidly afterwards with far less timing as to messaging.
I'm pleased to say and see for a change.

I'm glad the election he has called is at least done by the first week of July.
As I'm going to Rome later in July on holiday.
So thanks to Sunak for the election in the first week

So I've now got to ease work out the way and concentrate on helping leafleting and canvassing for Labour over the coming weeks.
I'm expecting a horrible campaign.
I've had hard-line Con voters screaming at me and the team I was canvassing with, that all of us in Labour should all be put in baths of acid.
In previous elections.
Charming.

No doubt a lot of mudslinging too but all Parties are good at that.

I'm also pleased the UK election will be over before the new election of the USA President.
Oh well, here we go.
What will be, will be.
I know what I'll work hard for and know what I'm hoping for.

I will cheer from the rooftops IF this Sunak led Con Party is well and truly booted out of government, AT LAST.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think it showed poor judgement as usual in presenting such a long speech
I think it was arista who said he was giving a history lesson.

Clearly from Starmer and Labour they were up and ready to go rapidly afterwards with far less timing as to messaging.
I'm pleased to say and see for a change.

I'm glad the election he has called is at least done by the first week of July.
As I'm going to Rome later in July on holiday.
So thanks to Sunak for the election in the first week

So I've now got to ease work out the way and concentrate on helping leafleting and canvassing for Labour over the coming weeks.
I'm expecting a horrible campaign.
I've had hard-line Con voters screaming at me and the team I was canvassing with, that all of us in Labour should all be put in baths of acid.
In previous elections.
Charming.

No doubt a lot of mudslinging too but all Parties are good at that.

I'm also pleased the UK election will be over before the new election of the USA President.
Oh well, here we go.
What will be, will be.
I know what I'll work hard for and know what I'm hoping for.

I will cheer from the rooftops IF this Sunak led Con Party is well and truly booted out of government, AT LAST.
Imagine supporting a man who is scared to support women

Hideous

[Mystic Mock]

i don't think i've ever been less interested in the outcome of an election.

My feeling is that there are some really bad things coming in the fairly immediate future (june onward) and Sunak is holding the election now so that labour gets the blame for it

I agree on not being that interested in our Election tbh, I'm more into the American Election.:joker:

And you have an interesting theory, and it wouldn't shock me if you were right tbh, as the Tories do have a history of setting up other people up for their own incompetence these last 15 years.

[joeysteele]

Imagine supporting a man who is scared to support women

Hideous

You support who you want and I'll support who I want.

We STILL have PARTY government in the UK.
Not a President.

I'll be voting for Labour and frankly don't care whether you'd approve or not.

[Mystic Mock]

I think it showed poor judgement as usual in presenting such a long speech
I think it was arista who said he was giving a history lesson.

Clearly from Starmer and Labour they were up and ready to go rapidly afterwards with far less timing as to messaging.
I'm pleased to say and see for a change.

I'm glad the election he has called is at least done by the first week of July.
As I'm going to Rome later in July on holiday.
So thanks to Sunak for the election in the first week

So I've now got to ease work out the way and concentrate on helping leafleting and canvassing for Labour over the coming weeks.
I'm expecting a horrible campaign.
I've had hard-line Con voters screaming at me and the team I was canvassing with, that all of us in Labour should all be put in baths of acid.
In previous elections.
Charming.

No doubt a lot of mudslinging too but all Parties are good at that.

I'm also pleased the UK election will be over before the new election of the USA President.
Oh well, here we go.
What will be, will be.
I know what I'll work hard for and know what I'm hoping for.

I will cheer from the rooftops IF this Sunak led Con Party is well and truly booted out of government, AT LAST.

Some people take their Politics way too seriously imo.

Who threatens that over someone supporting a Political Party? Especially a party that has moderate views.

I wouldn't agree with it, but if you were supporting Reform, UKIP, or some far left Party that might be running around, then I might understand it more because of the possibly extreme and vile views that can be held within far right and far left ideologies.

But some people would want to physically harm you for supporting Labour? That shows that those people are really far gone imo.

[joeysteele]

Some people take their Politics way too seriously imo.

Who threatens that over someone supporting a Political Party? Especially a party that has moderate views.

I wouldn't agree with it, but if you were supporting Reform, UKIP, or some far left Party that might be running around, then I might understand it more because of the possibly extreme and vile views that can be held within far right and far left ideologies.

But some people would want to physically harm you for supporting Labour? That shows that those people are really far gone imo.

Oh crumbs that was usual Mock.

It's actually fun most of the time.
Even odd times we've been out leafleting then come across Con workers leafleting too in the same streets.
Once all done we've gone for a coffee together.
Most of us are reasonable and not getting the vile nonsense I mentioned earlier.

Sadly though we do now have to be careful.
All Parties but particularly Con and Labour.
Because of worries of things getting more hostile and even possibly dangerous.
We always work in teams now for safety.

It's great however when you get someone who wants to talk with you and engage with you too.
Doesn't matter who they're supporting either.
Plus it gets you out in the fresh air and good exercise too.

I head out with plenty mars bars because there's not much chance to eat really until night time when you stop for the day.

[Cherie]

Don’t care who it is just as long as the Tory reign ends

what a stupid thing to say, lets get someone even worse in :laugh: no wonder the UK is in the ****, people voting for Brexit....and now lets just change for the sake of changing, at least see what the manifestos say before you jump fgs ..even you never voted Tory or Labour.....just think it through thoughtfully rather than launching straight in....jesus ...its not even clear cut anymore they are all so similar

[Crimson Dynamo]

At least Rishi sticks up for women and not bullying

I'd hate to support bullying

[Mystic Mock]

Oh crumbs that was usual Mock.

It's actually fun most of the time.
Even odd times we've been out leafleting then come across Con workers leafleting too in the same streets.
Once all done we've gone for a coffee together.
Most of us are reasonable and not getting the vile nonsense I mentioned earlier.

Sadly though we do now have to be careful.
All Parties but particularly Con and Labour.
Because of worries of things getting more hostile and even possibly dangerous.
We always work in teams now for safety.

It's great however when you get someone who wants to talk with you and engage with you too.
Doesn't matter who they're supporting either.
Plus it gets you out in the fresh air and good exercise too.

I head out with plenty mars bars because there's not much chance to eat really until night time when you stop for the day.

Well it's good that you guys have a good experience for the most part.

The extremists do need to be sent to a Mental Asylum though.

[joeysteele]

I actually think there's a lot of difference.

The Cons would never re-nationalise Railways as Labour plan to.

Labours ambitious Housing policy is nothing like the Cons.
Who've done next to nothing as to affordable housing rented or otherwise in 14 years.

The wasted cost of the detestable Rwanda plan will be halted by Labour with more concentration on the operators of those boats.

The NHS not now just on its knees after 14 years of Con government, but actually flat on its back.
Labour has plans to begin to help it recover.
It will need reform of course too.

A public owned green energy company wouldn't be even thought of from the Cons.
Which Labour will create.

Restoring back some workers rights which should never have been taken away.

Much more Id love to see from Labour but none of those things will come from the Cons and haven't in 14 YEARS.

[Cherie]

I actually think there's a lot of difference.

The Cons would never re-nationalise Railways as Labour plan to.

Labours ambitious Housing policy is nothing like the Cons.
Who've done next to nothing as to affordable housing rented or otherwise in 14 years.

The wasted cost of the detestable Rwanda plan will be halted by Labour with more concentration on the operators of those boats.

The NHS not now just on its knees after 14 years of Con government, but actually flat on its back.
Labour has plans to begin to help it recover.
It will need reform of course too.

A public owned green energy company wouldn't be even thought of from the Cons.
Which Labour will create.

Restoring back some workers rights which should never have been taken away.

Much more Id love to see from Labour but none of those things will come from the Cons and haven't in 14 YEARS.

Much as I like to agree with you Joey I am going to wait the manifestos because for me now its very difficult to know where to vote, I have never voted Tory and have in the past voted Labour but last few times couldnt vote them either so honestly no clue who will get my vote this time maybe Indy even though its wasted but at least its a vote

[joeysteele]

Much as I like to agree with you Joey I am going to wait the manifestos because for me now its very difficult to know where to vote, I have never voted Tory and have in the past voted Labour but last few times couldnt vote them either so honestly no clue who will get my vote this time maybe Indy even though its wasted but at least its a vote

That's all fine Cherie.

Your vote is your vote
Where you cast it is for you to decide who will deliver most or some of what you'd want or believe to be better than has been.

I'm overjoyed that you intend to use your vote.
For whoever.
It's why I support PR to help people feel more that their votes aren't wasted whoever they vote for.

:joker:It's kind of music to my ears to read you've never voted Tory.:joker:
Not everything the Cons do is wrong though.
I just feel they haven't the compromise or compassion that I would like to see at this time in policy making
Most of its been more of ugly type rhetoric.

[bots]

Sunak had a list of key election pledges which seem to have been forgotten about, and the only 1 of the 5 he has met is lowering inflation :laugh:

Looking at it, i think he has realised he doesn't have a hope of turning it around by the end of the year so he has basically thought f it, lets do it in July and then I can enjoy the summer :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

I actually think there's a lot of difference.

The Cons would never re-nationalise Railways as Labour plan to.

Labours ambitious Housing policy is nothing like the Cons.
Who've done next to nothing as to affordable housing rented or otherwise in 14 years.

The wasted cost of the detestable Rwanda plan will be halted by Labour with more concentration on the operators of those boats.

The NHS not now just on its knees after 14 years of Con government, but actually flat on its back.
Labour has plans to begin to help it recover.
It will need reform of course too.

A public owned green energy company wouldn't be even thought of from the Cons.
Which Labour will create.

Restoring back some workers rights which should never have been taken away.

Much more Id love to see from Labour but none of those things will come from the Cons and haven't in 14 YEARS.

If those things do come to pass then that will be fantastic, Joey.

For me, I just think that we need to take the gamble, we can't afford to have 4-5 more years of what has been an atrocious Government.

If Labour/Starmer are somehow even worse, then get rid of them at the next Election, but we need to at least try is my viewpoint, because we already know that the current Tory generation are terrible, where as we don't actually know what the current Labour Party would be like, and that to me is a huge selling point for Labour.

[bots]

There just comes a point where people want change, and it really doesn't matter how good or bad the current government are. It was true when Tony Blair was elected and it was true when Cameron got elected.

Personally, i think we should force rotate the government every 4 years so that no one party stays in power too long. Even 2 terms max would work

The same should really apply to mayors too

[joeysteele]

There just comes a point where people want change, and it really doesn't matter how good or bad the current government are. It was true when Tony Blair was elected and it was true when Cameron got elected.

Personally, i think we should force rotate the government every 4 years so that no one party stays in power too long. Even 2 terms max would work

The same should really apply to mayors too

Except that would remove the will of the voters.

If voters wanted a government or coalition in power for years and years or even a decade plus.
You couldn't in a democracy take away the choice of the voters as to that.

Mayors however, yes possibly to that.

[Zizu]

There just comes a point where people want change, and it really doesn't matter how good or bad the current government are. It was true when Tony Blair was elected and it was true when Cameron got elected.

Personally, i think we should force rotate the government every 4 years so that no one party stays in power too long.


Funny thing is .. history has shown over the last 6 decades that it doesn’t make a diddly squat of a difference WHO is in charge !!!!


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[arista]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2024/05/22/5388994218446899387/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_5388994218446899387.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/22/20/85219143-13448925-image-a-33_1716407619853.jpg

Put a Tie on Tubby Starmer

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/22/17/85201473-13448143-Jeremy_Hunt_cancelled_an_appearance_on_ITV_s_Pesto n_show_tonight-a-24_1716396610452.jpg

This show
and was Live, for a change.


James Cleverly MP, Home Secretary
replaced Hunt.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/22/20/85217577-0-image-a-6_1716405470212.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/22/21/85214897-13448549-image-a-46_1716410674246.jpg

Some Previous bad moments

and

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[Glenn.]

I mean anyone that truly believes that the Tory’s have actually done any good is a moron tbh. Just **** up after **** up

[arista]

From 14th of June
many will be watching Football Matches.


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[arista]

Today in Parliament
last chance to get Legislation
through.

[arista]

Roll on the Live TV Debates
Both Sunak & Starmer want them.


Possible
SkyNewsHD TV and Free Online like YouTube

BBC TV and Free Online

ITVnews TV and Free Online like YouTube

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

14mins
of Spectator TV

[The Spectator's Cindy Yu speaks to Andrew Neil
about the upcoming summer election.
Will the gamble pay off?]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haKiSZ6roXg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/22/23/85224119-0-image-a-41_1716415310037.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13449151/Rishi-Sunak-INSISTED-braving-rain-inside-story-PMs-seemingly-snap-decision-secretly-months-planning.html

[arista]

https://standfirst-thecriticmag-production.imgix.net/uploads/2024/05/GettyImages-1713996769.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces,entropy&q=75&auto=compress,format&w=740&h=734&dpr=1


Steve Bray
the protestor who was at the edge of
Downing Street with his Big Battery Amp and Big Speaker
Police
did not stop him.


I assume the Police back Starmer?

[joeysteele]

https://standfirst-thecriticmag-production.imgix.net/uploads/2024/05/GettyImages-1713996769.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces,entropy&q=75&auto=compress,format&w=740&h=734&dpr=1


Steve Bray
the protestor who was at the edge of
Downing Street with his Big Battery Amp and Big Speaker
Police
did not stop him.


I assume the Police back Starmer?

No it's not because the police back Starmer at all

It's because he wasn't doing anything that was illegal.
Which you well know.

If he had been doing this when Starmer was speaking you'd likely be cheering him on.

[Mystic Mock]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/22/20/85219143-13448925-image-a-33_1716407619853.jpg

Put a Tie on Tubby Starmer

Why should he?:laugh:

[joeysteele]

Why should he?:laugh:

:joker:no reason he should at all :joker:

[Mystic Mock]

I mean anyone that truly believes that the Tory’s have actually done any good is a moron tbh. Just **** up after **** up

Tbf there's been some okay to decent moments from the Tories leadership imo.

But considering they have been in charge of the country over the last 15 years, I will agree with you that there's been way more bad moments with them.

[Mystic Mock]

:joker:no reason he should at all :joker:

Starmer's a man after my own heart.

Screw ties.:joker:

[Ammi]

No it's not because the police back Starmer at all

It's because he wasn't doing anything that was illegal.
Which you well know.

If he had been doing this when Starmer was speaking you'd likely be cheering him on.

…in ‘stopping him’ would also emphasise/highlight and draw attention to the anti protest/anti democracy laws that the Tories have also given us in their reign….how ironic that would be…vote for us, we take away your freedoms etc…

[joeysteele]

…in ‘stopping him’ would also emphasise/highlight and draw attention to the anti protest/anti democracy laws that the Tories have also given us in their reign….how ironic that would be…vote for us, we take away your freedoms etc…

You put that far better than I would have :joker:

A pity you weren't canvassing out there Ammi .

[MTVN]

I actually think Sunak is a decent PM and under the radar he has achieved a fair bit. Trouble is his comms aren't great and he doesn't connect with voters very naturally. Let's not forget he lost a vote against Liz Truss pretty convincingly and she's one of the worst communicators in politics

He's obviously also inherited a pretty difficult legacy. I don't think any Conservative could win this election tbh after 14 years in power

[arista]

Sunak PM
in Derby this morning

He given interviews
but ignored GMBHD itv

[arista]

Lorraine ITV
said many voters will be on holiday
July 4th?

[Ammi]

Lorraine ITV
said many voters will be on holiday
July 4th?

…yeah, I’m one of those many…

[user104658]

I actually think Sunak is a decent PM and under the radar he has achieved a fair bit.

Such as what?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Every day seems to bring further concerning signs of what a Labour government would bring. This week, the shadow foreign secretary David Lammy kowtowed to the International Criminal Court, in a betrayal of one of Britain’s closest allies, Israel. Sir Keir has refused to fully match the Government’s military spending plans, evidence of dangerous complacency at a time of global danger.

His party still does not seem to have lost its obsession for radical gender ideology or general wokery. Sir Keir has the instincts of an Islington human rights lawyer, despite his efforts to develop a more demotic appeal. His pledge to attack private schools is pure class envy.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2024/05/22/telegraph-view-general-election-starmer-sunak/

[arista]

…yeah, I’m one of those many…


Would you bother to do a postal vote?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOP8i9ZWwAAR6e5?format=jpg&name=small

[Ammi]

Would you bother to do a postal vote?

…yeah totally, that’s what we’ll be doing, Arista…that’ll be a first for me so it’ll bring that extra zizz and zuzz to the polling day…

[arista]

…yeah totally, that’s what we’ll be doing, Arista…that’ll be a first for me so it’ll bring that extra zizz and zuzz to the polling day…


Of course many will not bother

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOP05k5XsAAHC8y?format=jpg&name=small

[joeysteele]

…yeah totally, that’s what we’ll be doing, Arista…that’ll be a first for me so it’ll bring that extra zizz and zuzz to the polling day…

I'm glad you are off on holiday and hope you have a great time .
Even more glad you'll get your vote in too.

Thankfully I don't go to Rome until after the election.
Because I do want to get out there and do my bit to hopefully get this shambolic, hard-line bunch of Sunak and co consigned to political history.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOP8i9ZWwAAR6e5?format=jpg&name=small



Yes I thought
he will not run to be an MP


His Live TV show
is getting good numbers

And he takes it around the UK

[MTVN]

Such as what?

He's done a lot of work to repair relations with the EU including reworking the Brexit deal and helping to restore the Northern Ireland government. He's also restored some credibility and competence to government after the collapse of the Boris administration and the Truss disaster. His reputation is actually pretty good globally because he's seen as quite pragmatic and someone who can be worked with.

Also made a lot of progress in making the Rwanda deal actually happen and been quite bold with the smoking ban

[arista]

PM Sunak,

Taking Live Questions from the staff

In a Biscuit Depot, Derby


SkyNewsHD

[Cherie]

…yeah, I’m one of those many…

Maybe that is the idea? think you can organise a postal vote, bit of a faff though

[joeysteele]

Yes I thought
he will not run to be an MP


His Live TV show
is getting good numbers

And he takes it around the UK

Well he wouldn't have likely won a seat.

In all the Westminster elections he's stood around 6 or 7 of them.
He's been strongly beaten in all except one in Thanet South where he came a closer second.

He was dominant in the European parliament but since then, his fading star has more or less got closer to being out politically.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Spectator

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOP4z6AWUAAomL7?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Starmer now Live

in the Middle of Football Field

Gillingham

Live SkyNewsHD

His Deputy is first speaking

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/05/22/TELEMMGLPICT000378917557_17164095048970_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT 8.jpeg?imwidth=400&imdensity=2

[joeysteele]

One thing I'd love to see but won't get I know.
Is that political programmes , debates and other election programming, that the presenters don't waste time asking stupid questions most of the time.

Which sadly has already begun.

[Crimson Dynamo]

One thing I'd love to see but won't get I know.
Is that political programmes , debates and other election programming, that the presenters don't waste time asking stupid questions most of the time.

Which sadly has already begun.

Joey you are in safe hands with these two crack hard-line conservat....er I mean journalists

https://dus09vr7ngt46.cloudfront.net/uploads/2022/10/25154837/bruce.jpg?height=675&width=1000

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOM39Q9WcAApwF7?format=jpg&name=small


Starmer and his Two Big Flags

[arista]

BBC Question Time
is having trouble getting a panel
for their show tonight.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOM39Q9WcAApwF7?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1687345013393371136/0u_YIB1K_400x400.jpg




peas
pod

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOP8i9ZWwAAR6e5?format=jpg&name=small


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/23/10/85240091-0-image-m-7_1716455003706.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

he has been promised something by the Tories

[Liam-]

Of course he won’t, he’s never won a seat any time he’s stood in a general election, why would he bother facing the embarrassment of losing again, when he can sit back and be racist in the background

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course he won’t, he’s never won a seat any time he’s stood in a general election, why would he bother facing the embarrassment of losing again, when he can sit back and be racist in the background

talking about the problems of mass uncontrolled immigration that has now resulted in a housing and health crisis

=

racism



:facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The personal wealth of Rishi Sunak and his wife Akshata Murty rose by £122
million last year, according to the Sunday Times Rich List. This means the
Sunak family is now richer than the King

[arista]

he has been promised something by the Tories

That was in 2019

[bots]

2 reasons farage won't stand.

1. He has been an absolute failure when he tried to stand in the past
2. He has more to gain by joining Trump


Personally i would be happy if he went to the usa and never came back

[arista]

2 reasons farage won't stand.

1. He has been an absolute failure when he tried to stand in the past
2. He has more to gain by joining Trump


Personally i would be happy if he went to the usa and never came back


Yes he wants to Fly back to USA

A week ago or so he was Live New York and Florida
on GBnewsHD

[Beso]

I think everyone should sustain fron voting to send out a clear msg to them all

[Zizu]

I think everyone should sustain fron voting to send out a clear msg to them all


Wouldn’t that be marvellous !!

If the music world and online media stars / influencers/ sports people and celebrities all got together… they could bring politics to it’s knees by stopping the vast majority from voting


Then get another group of qualified individuals in charge .,

I can dream


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[user104658]

talking about the problems of mass uncontrolled immigration that has now resulted in a housing and health crisis

=

racism



:facepalm:

LOL the housing crisis has nothing to do with immigration. Tories sold off the social housing stock, private rents weren't adequately controlled and property prices surged (for various complex reasons). None of it is because there are a few immigrants. They make up a very small percentage of population.

And the health crisis is even simpler. Underfunding and poor management of funds that are available. It shouldn't be affected by migration at all.

[Zizu]

2 reasons farage won't stand.

1. He has been an absolute failure when he tried to stand in the past
2. He has more to gain by joining Trump




3. He’s a complete and utter dik


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[arista]

First Flight to Rwanda
will only go if Sunak wins

Booked for the 5th of July

Ref: Politics Live BBC2HD

[arista]

Sunak PM Now in Cardiff

How nice for Slick Liam

[Liam-]

He really might as well not bother stepping foot in Wales

[arista]

He really might as well not bother stepping foot in Wales


He is in Cardiff at a Factory.


Slick Liam
they want to talk with him.


All these Events
set up days ago.

[arista]

BBC2HD Friday 12:15PM

Extra Politics Live show

Added


Normally Friday no show on.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
have a reporter on the Bus
South Wales

[MTVN]

1793620567121101078

[joeysteele]

First Flight to Rwanda
will only go if Sunak wins

Booked for the 5th of July

Ref: Politics Live BBC2HD

Has to be more likely rubbish.

IF this was true, why didn't he call the election for 11th or 18th July.
So he would then prove BEFORE voting this was the case.

How can he have this all set then call an election where the other likely winning Party wouldn't do it .

This statement from Sunak more likely stinks to high heaven.

[arista]

"Has to be more likely rubbish."



No Sunak stated it Live on LBC.

Rwanda Flight will only go if he wins

[arista]

Jeremey Corbyn is standing as an independent.

Labour have to find someone for the 4th of July

clock is ticking

[joeysteele]

"Has to be more likely rubbish."



No Sunak stated it Live on LBC.

Rwanda Flight will only go if he wins

Even if I was a Con voter I wouldn't believe this from him.
This smells bigtime for me .

I'm naturally suspicious but this sounds a right howler.

[arista]

Joey legal problems
would stop the Rwanda flight
anyway.

[joeysteele]

Joey legal problems
would stop the Rwanda flight
anyway.

Exactly.
So Sunak is more than probably lying directly to the voters in an election campaign.

I think you're right, so he needs proper challenging on this likely blatant deceit.

He's a disgrace.

[Ammi]

….finally the Government hearing the voice of the people…:fan:…

1793413309162733905

[bots]

There will be all sorts of tricks played by party's in this election and external foreign powers determined to cause chaos, just like they did in the brexit vote, only 100 times worse

Buckle up!

[bots]

the media are trying to inflate the popularity of the lib dems. They don't have a chance

[joeysteele]

There will be all sorts of tricks played by party's in this election and external foreign powers determined to cause chaos, just like they did in the brexit vote, only 100 times worse

Buckle up!

I agree.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOR4gC1W0AAaI4_?format=jpg&name=small

[user104658]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOR4gC1W0AAaI4_?format=jpg&name=small

Here you go Parmnion, a crystal clear example of what I'm talking about in the other thread.

Still waiting for you to tell me about the reality I need to embrace LT :worry: what's the hold-up?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Reality is a bitch

Especially when it deflates your "stage" worldview..

[bots]

There will be all sorts of tricks played by party's in this election and external foreign powers determined to cause chaos, just like they did in the brexit vote, only 100 times worse

Buckle up!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOR4gC1W0AAaI4_?format=jpg&name=small

.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bots discovering electioneering for the first time

Cute

:love:

[The Slim Reaper]

First Flight to Rwanda
will only go if Sunak wins

Booked for the 5th of July

Ref: Politics Live BBC2HD

I don't think people understand that Starmer and labour are fully on board with the Rwanda scheme, so you don't have to fret, my brother.

[joeysteele]

I don't think people understand that Starmer and labour are fully on board with the Rwanda scheme, so you don't have to fret, my brother.

Well I'm a Labour Party member and I don't know ONE other who is on board with the sending to Rwanda policy.

I actually don't know a single Labour MP who is either.

Not that I've talked to ALL Labour MPs

I can see no chance that if Labour wins the election where anybody will EVER end up being sent to Rwanda .
Not a chance

[bots]

labour have complained about Rwanda as the ultimate destination, it has been a labour policy since Blair to ship illegal immigrants oversees

[arista]

I don't think people understand that Starmer and labour are fully on board with the Rwanda scheme, so you don't have to fret, my brother.


He has said Day One
he will cancel it

[The Slim Reaper]

He has said Day One
he will cancel it


https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1894384/Labour-Rwanda-uturn-deportations

Starmer would scrap Rwanda scheme as PM even if it's working
Sir Keir Starmer may perform yet another major U-turn and keep the Rwanda scheme in place should he win power, it has been claimed.

The widely respected former BBC political editor, Andrew Marr, has said Labour will not abolish Rwanda immediately in a new column.

According to Mr Marr, some in Labour are now admitting they may have to retain the Rwanda scheme for a lengthy period, until the party can negotiate a new returns policy with the EU.

He quotes one Labour senior advisor who says: “We can’t just come in, tear it up, and have nothing to put in its place”.

The admission represents a stark change of policy for Labour, who had originally intended to end the Rwanda scheme within its first 100 days of Government.

[The Slim Reaper]

And for the record, EU won't accept returns unless the UK concede to some pretty major Brexit U-turns (which tory Keir has already said he won't), so I guess it just depends on which of his u-turns you believe is real and which isn't.

[The Slim Reaper]

Not one word about re-opening traditional asylum roues and methods to ease the crisis, let's just keep piling on the misery for the desperate and displaced.

[arista]

The Leader Starmer
has the say

Slim.

[The Slim Reaper]

The Leader Starmer
has the say

Slim.

Well it's only a couple of months to go now, so let's just wait and see what blue Starmer does, shall we?

[arista]

Sunak PM

Now in Scotland.

He brought the Rain.
SkyNewsHD reporter said

[joeysteele]

The Leader Starmer
has the say

Slim.

arista.

I wouldn't be going out at all doing canvassing for Labour if the Rwanda policy would be carried on by us.

I've detested the Rwanda policy from it first being mentioned.

[arista]

The New SNP Leader
not ready for this.

[arista]

One Bill was Passed today
The Post Office Bill

that will help payments

[arista]

arista.

I wouldn't be going out at all doing canvassing for Labour if the Rwanda policy would be carried on by us.

I've detested the Rwanda policy from it first being mentioned.


Valid Point
Joey

[The Slim Reaper]

arista.

I wouldn't be going out at all doing canvassing for Labour if the Rwanda policy would be carried on by us.

I've detested the Rwanda policy from it first being mentioned.

How would you feel if on day one it isn't scrapped, and you've all been led a merry dance for the zillionth time, by this absolute shyster?

I can tell you how I'll feel if it is scrapped "bloody hell, fair play. I'm shocked, now lets see what else he does that's more progressive than he appeared"

[joeysteele]

How would you feel if on day one it isn't scrapped, and you've all been led a merry dance for the zillionth time, by this absolute shyster?

I can tell you how I'll feel if it is scrapped "bloody hell, fair play. I'm shocked, now lets see what else he does that's more progressive than he appeared"

You are wrong and I won't be disappointed

Maybe it would please you more now to see Sunak and co continue.

I don't walk away just because I don't get my own way.
You've turned solid against Labour.
I haven't and I wanted a Corbyn win as much as you or others.
However, he'd not have been able at all to do his nationalisation promises because had he won in 2019.
He'd have had the pandemic massive crisis too.

So he'd have had to disappoint you and loads of others.in breakimg a lot of manifesto promises in light of that.

[arista]

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[arista]

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Yes Starmer get on the TV debates
with Sunak

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

You are wrong and I won't be disappointed

Maybe it would please you more now to see Sunak and co continue.

I don't walk away just because I don't get my own way.
You've turned solid against Labour.
I haven't and I wanted a Corbyn win as much as you or others.
However, he'd not have been able at all to do his nationalisation promises because had he won in 2019.
He'd have had the pandemic massive crisis too.

So he'd have had to disappoint you and loads of others.in breakimg a lot of manifesto promises in light of that.

I didn't walk away when I didn't get my own way. I wouldn't have picked Starmer, I'd have gone for RBG, but I walked away when Starmer turned away from what got him elected into a tory tribute act. You can try and pretend that he hasn't, but I think everyone has seen what he's done.

I think there is also a complete misconception that Starmer is the reason lab will win the next election, and not because of a complete 5 year meltdown by the Tories.

You call yourself a socialist Joey, and there is nothing socialist about labour anymore. If you want teams, then you're doing the right thing, but voting for the closest party to my principles (even though they have no chance of winning government), isn't taking the easy way out. Voting for the opposite of socialism because you believe you're part of their team is taking the easy way, my friend.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

I didn't walk away when I didn't get my own way. I wouldn't have picked Starmer, I'd have gone for RBG, but I walked away when Starmer turned away from what got him elected into a tory tribute act. You can try and pretend that he hasn't, but I think everyone has seen what he's done.

I think there is also a complete misconception that Starmer is the reason lab will win the next election, and not because of a complete 5 year meltdown by the Tories.

You call yourself a socialist Joey, and there is nothing socialist about labour anymore. If you want teams, then you're doing the right thing, but voting for the closest party to my principles (even though they have no chance of winning government, isn't taking the easy way out, voting for the opposite of socialism is taking the easy way, my friend.

We've never had a socialist government since 1945.

I am a socialist but also a realist.

Corbyn twice put to the voters a more socialist filled manifesto.
It was rejected twice.

I don't want a Con government in power continuously.
I'll be content to see more understanding, compromise, fairness, justice and compassion from a government.
That I believe will at the very least come from Labour.

That's why I will stay loyal.
Even though I cannot stand Starmer either

[The Slim Reaper]

We've never had a socialist government since 1945.

I am a socialist but also a realist.

Corbyn twice put to the voters a more socialist filled manifesto.
It was rejected twice.

I don't want a Con government in power continuously.
I'll be content to see more understanding, compromise, fairness, justice and compassion from a government.
That I believe will at the very least come from Labour.

That's why I will stay loyal.
Even though I cannot stand Starmer either

Ir's not Corbyn. What has happened to all the left wing MP's? You're not blind, and I know you're as much of a political junkie as I am, so i know you see it.

There is absolutely no evidence that the laundry list you've just posted has any relevance to labour, and it's all pretty subjective on top. I want those same things too, but wearing a different coloured rosette to the tories isn't a reason to vote for them

Also principles are principles, not to be traded away because there is a whiff of power. Starmer could have put the communist manifesto infront of voters this cycle and he would have won - because of the tories. yet he hasn't, he's gone further to the right to attract tories.A party at home with tory defections, but not with abbott, corbyn or the rest, isn't a progressive party and never will be.

[joeysteele]

Ir's not Corbyn. What has happened to all the left wing MP's? You're not blind, and I know you're as much of a political junkie as I am, so i know you see it.

There is absolutely no evidence that the laundry list you've just posted has any relevance to labour, and it's all pretty subjective on top. I want those same things too, but wearing a different coloured rosette to the tories isn't a reason to vote for them

Labour aren't Tories
Although not ALL Con policies are wrong just as not all Labour ones are right.

Plus I wouldn't vote Labour if I remotely thought they were.either.
Good grief .

[Mystic Mock]

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It's good to see Rashford, Gallagher, and Ramsdale are starting up a Blue tribute band.

[The Slim Reaper]

Labour aren't Tories
Although not ALL Con policies are wrong just as not all Labour ones are right.

Plus I wouldn't vote Labour if I remotely thought they were.either.
Good grief .

Good grief what, Joey?

Austerity? You like that one? Good, because we're keeping it.

Privatised NHS? Good


I could list the sh1t out of this where there are no differences between the parties, but it's easier to just play make believe and pretend that everything starmer has said, he hasn't.

The party of Elphicke. Congrats.

[joeysteele]

Good grief what, Joey?

Austerity? You like that one? Good, because we're keeping it.

Privatised NHS? Good


I could list the sh1t out of this where there are no differences between the parties, but it's easier to just play make believe and pretend that everything starmer has said, he hasn't.

The party of Elphicke. Congrats.

I simply do not agree with your idea of Labour.
Pure and simple.
The Labour Party you paint, is not the Party of members I see and mix with.
Not all all.

You've turned away from it.
I haven't.

[The Slim Reaper]

I simply do not agree with your idea of Labour.
Pure and simple.
The Labour Party you paint, is not the Party of members I see and mix with.
Not all all.

You've turned away from it.
I haven't.

What you choose to see and what you choose to ignore doesn't prove anything. There have been times in the starmer thread where you've openly wrestled with his actions and now puff, all forgotten.

That's your right Joey, and I don't hold it against you, but lets not pretend that you have no idea what i'm talking about.

[joeysteele]

What you choose to see and what you choose to ignore doesn't prove anything. There have been times in the starmer thread where you've openly wrestled with his actions and now puff, all forgotten.

That's your right Joey, and I don't hold it against you, but lets not pretend that you have no idea what i'm talking about.

I know what I see, and know what I think.
I don't need others doing my thinking for me.

I haven't a clue what Labour Party you're talking about because it's for sure not the one I'm in.
That I DO know.

[The Slim Reaper]

I know what I see, and know what I think.
I don't need others doing my thinking for me.

I haven't a clue what Labour Party you're talking about because it's for sure not the one I'm in.
That I DO know.

That's cool, Joey. I'm not looking to get into an argument with you, but anyone can check exactly what I've written here, and what I've said about your u-turns. Not saying you were ever going to drop labour, because you are labour through and through, well since you left the tories and lib dems at least.

Have a good night, Joey.

[Mystic Mock]

I personally don't like Starmer, personally I was more of an Ed Miliband guy out of the recent Labour leaders.

However Starmer can't get away with being a full blown Tory, because his backbenchers will have something to say about that if he were to try.

[Ammi]

Five important laws that could be dropped due to Sunak's snap election…

Tobacco and Vapes Bill

Criminal Justice Bill

Sentencing Bill

Football Governance Bill

Renters Reform Bill

…full article…
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/general-election-laws-wash-up-rishi-sunak-152717777.html

[joeysteele]

I personally don't like Starmer, personally I was more of an Ed Miliband guy out of the recent Labour leaders.

However Starmer can't get away with being a full blown Tory, because his backbenchers will have something to say about that if he were to try.

Absolutely right
If Starmer was more Tory I'd not be voting for Labour.
I know that's nonsense however that he is.
I even think he could surprise positively as PM if Labour wins this election.

Ed Miliband was okay, I did and do like him.
It's good he's part of Starmer's team.

His mistakes however were 2 howlers.

In the Independence referendum in Scotland, he made a massive error in standing on a platform surrounded by Cameron and Clegg.
Scotland had supported Labour solidly and warranted a more independent view of the issue from Labour.
Not seeing Miliband like Cameron's and Clegg's poodle on it

Plus he too should have promised a referendum on the EU.
I think he'd have saved hoards of previous votes had he done those 2 things better.

[arista]

Starmer now Live


In Glasgow he has a Tie on
for the Rough Scotts


SkyNewsHD

[arista]

He was told
Corbyn is running

Starmer says, he will have a Labour Canditate
there.

Lets See him or her Tubby Starmer

[arista]

Five important laws that could be dropped due to Sunak's snap election…

Tobacco and Vapes Bill

Criminal Justice Bill

Sentencing Bill

Football Governance Bill

Renters Reform Bill

…full article…
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/general-election-laws-wash-up-rishi-sunak-152717777.html


Yes Ammi no time to fit it in

Labour is to do the Smoking one

Many are angry that no Renters Reform has been done

[arista]

Sunak PM
now in Northern Ireland.

No Labour standing there

[Crimson Dynamo]

NEW 2024 UK polling

Who would make best prime minister?
Keir Starmer 34%
Rishi Sunak 19%
Don't know 47%

Who do you trust to manage economy?
Lab 35%
Con 19%
DK 46%

Who do you trust to manage NHS?
Lab 39%
Con 14%
DK 46%

Who do you trust to manage immigration?
Lab 30%
Con 19%
DK 51%

People Polling/
@GBNEWS
May 23

[arista]

Sunak will Not pay P. Morgan £1,000

Bet on Rwanda

Simply because one person Flew to Rwanda

Pointed out Live on Ch5HD AM

[The Slim Reaper]

I personally don't like Starmer, personally I was more of an Ed Miliband guy out of the recent Labour leaders.

However Starmer can't get away with being a full blown Tory, because his backbenchers will have something to say about that if he were to try.

The party has been and is a continual process of being purged of back benchers that would kick up a fuss. Local parties don't have the right to make their own selections anymore because Starmer wants to control it, so who are these back bench Mp's ready to take on Starmer?

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Mp's generally aren't principled people, they are more like weather vanes, as evidenced by hard tories suddenly becoming labour members.

Look at the major policies that have the most affect on how society runs, and you will see very little (if any at all) distance between labour and tories. These are long standing tory positions - it's not the blue rosettes who've moved closer to labour, so what's the saying about something walking like a duck and quacking like a duck?

[user104658]

NEW 2024 UK polling

Who would make best prime minister?
Keir Starmer 34%
Rishi Sunak 19%
Don't know 47%

Who do you trust to manage economy?
Lab 35%
Con 19%
DK 46%

Who do you trust to manage NHS?
Lab 39%
Con 14%
DK 46%

Who do you trust to manage immigration?
Lab 30%
Con 19%
DK 51%

People Polling/
@GBNEWS
May 23

19% for economy & immigration is brutal for the Tories lol.

[Mystic Mock]

Absolutely right
If Starmer was more Tory I'd not be voting for Labour.
I know that's nonsense however that he is.
I even think he could surprise positively as PM if Labour wins this election.

Ed Miliband was okay, I did and do like him.
It's good he's part of Starmer's team.

His mistakes however were 2 howlers.

In the Independence referendum in Scotland, he made a massive error in standing on a platform surrounded by Cameron and Clegg.
Scotland had supported Labour solidly and warranted a more independent view of the issue from Labour.
Not seeing Miliband like Cameron's and Clegg's poodle on it

Plus he too should have promised a referendum on the EU.
I think he'd have saved hoards of previous votes had he done those 2 things better.

I tbf can agree with you on those points.

Especially the Scotland one, as he really gave ground to the SNP the day that he stood with Cameron essentially.

[Mystic Mock]

The party has been and is a continual process of being purged of back benchers that would kick up a fuss. Local parties don't have the right to make their own selections anymore because Starmer wants to control it, so who are these back bench Mp's ready to take on Starmer?

1792892178567413893

Mp's generally aren't principled people, they are more like weather vanes, as evidenced by hard tories suddenly becoming labour members.

Look at the major policies that have the most affect on how society runs, and you will see very little (if any at all) distance between labour and tories. These are long standing tory positions - it's not the blue rosettes who've moved closer to labour, so what's the saying about something walking like a duck and quacking like a duck?

I agree that Labour under Starmer will be Tory-lite on a lot of issues, which isn't ideal imo.

I think I'm just hoping for a few things under Labour tbh.

1. Don't be worse than the Tories in terms of social policies.

2. At least have some traditional Labour policies come through, that I personally can get behind, like not privatizing the NHS.

3. Make sure to not put someone as PM that your own support base doesn't even want, let alone the general public.

[Mystic Mock]

And whoa! David Lammy could barely string a sentence together in that clip.

Does he think that he is Trump or Biden?

[Ammi]

The party has been and is a continual process of being purged of back benchers that would kick up a fuss. Local parties don't have the right to make their own selections anymore because Starmer wants to control it, so who are these back bench Mp's ready to take on Starmer?

1792892178567413893

Mp's generally aren't principled people, they are more like weather vanes, as evidenced by hard tories suddenly becoming labour members.

Look at the major policies that have the most affect on how society runs, and you will see very little (if any at all) distance between labour and tories. These are long standing tory positions - it's not the blue rosettes who've moved closer to labour, so what's the saying about something walking like a duck and quacking like a duck?


…yeah, I agree…that’s so off base and so off key because to just change party in such a way, for me…?…is they’re either not committed to any of the values and beliefs that they’ve led the public to believe that they’re committed to in acting for them…?..or they flip flop surface personalities that also doesn’t hold true to belief systems…just not people I would be inclined to put any faith in, whatever party they’re aligned to…it’s become more like a game or swapping about of job/department roles…crazy stuff…

[bots]

at the last election the tories purged all remainers from the party, and what we ended up with was a load of ukip mp's under the tory banner. This election should see most of them lose their seats, so perhaps proper tories will make a re-appearance at the 2029 election.

What i mean by this is that what Starmer has done is purge the labour party to his own image, and that will probably attract a few traditional tories into the labour party because they previously had no home, so what we will get in labour is some weird labour/tory hybrid, but it won't be the right wing ukip tories that are currently all over the tory party. To me, it's a good thing, but maybe that's just me :laugh:

[joeysteele]

at the last election the tories purged all remainers from the party, and what we ended up with was a load of ukip mp's under the tory banner. This election should see most of them lose their seats, so perhaps proper tories will make a re-appearance at the 2029 election.

What i mean by this is that what Starmer has done is purge the labour party to his own image, and that will probably attract a few traditional tories into the labour party because they previously had no home, so what we will get in labour is some weird labour/tory hybrid, but it won't be the right wing ukip tories that are currently all over the tory party. To me, it's a good thing, but maybe that's just me :laugh:


That's a very interesting take on things bots.

I think I could be persuaded by you that it may be a good thing too actually.

[arista]

Meanwhile at Dover,
another 90 or so
illegal migrants with no passports
have arrived.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/24/08/85247555-13455097-A_run_as_an_independent_would_create_a_headache_fo r_Keir_Starmer-a-2_1716534619085.jpg

Happy times back in before 2019

[joeysteele]

There wasn't as I recall many happy times in 2019 as to politics.

[bots]

Jeremy has no say in anything related to uk politics now, so if his local constituency want him what's the problem. His time is over influencing politics in the uk

[arista]

Nigel Farage
is assisting Tice on the Road with Reform UK.

His UK show can return after the Election time

[Kazanne]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2024/05/22/4265148937453875934/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_4265148937453875934.jpg

People are obsessed with him getting wet ,lol, Its just water it doesn't hurt.

[arista]

Sunak PM had trouble leaving Downing St.

Due to Arab Protestors
Police moved one back

Now on his Bus in the West Midlands


GBnewsHD showed it Live.

[arista]

People are obsessed with him getting wet ,lol, Its just water it doesn't hurt.



Yes they have nothing better to do or say

[arista]

Jeremy has no say in anything related to uk politics now, so if his local constituency want him what's the problem. His time is over influencing politics in the uk

Yes no longer in the Labour party

So he needs to win his area on the 4th of July