[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

No..... Obama is nothing like Bush... Bush was a cretin, stupidest man ever to hold the office of President of the United States of America. Starting war after war after war and sacrificing thousands of American servicemen not to mention the hundreds of thousands of innocent victims was never the actions of a sensible, rational president .

Obama at least tries to pursue a policy of least use of force or force as a LAST resort not a first resort like Bush. I agree Obama has not handled the present crises from the front but you could argue Syrian disarmament of chemical weapons has resulted from the threat of use of force.

This has to make The US ultimately look as if they have achieved Syria's abandonment of Chemical weapons as a personal triumph for the current US administration.

I think just because Bush found it difficult speaking to people and got muddled at times, that doesn't make him stupid. He became the president, I really don't believe a cretin could do such a thing.

Originally Posted by the truth

1) re guantanamo bay, progress has been slow. But the place that expanded under bush for years with water boarding, now the number of inmtes has fallen to 169 and obama has been opposed by the republicans evert single step of the way
2) re syria Obama has been decisive though what could or should have been done by him the UN and the international community before the atrocities is a major question. But obama demanded action, he demanded a list of weapons, he got kerry on the case and kerry has risen to the task, obama persuaded the ruskies to sort it out too, he also demanded UN action. Where is your blame for the rest of the world?
3) whether the ruskies are doing for the good of america is utterly irrelevant, all that matters is that putin is acting thanks in part to obama.
4) As big a warmonger as bush? please back up that monolithic nonsense? the 1 difference is their decisiveness? yes decisiveness to go into massive bloodbath wars over lies where vast numbers are destroyed for illogical dishonest reasons? creating more terorism and more carnage for innocent people. if thats decisiveness , give me ponderous, thoughful , patient, cautious thanks very much.

Bush invaded a nation for no logical reason and left 100s of thousands of innocents dead, some estimate a million. for what? the premise of this 10 year carnage was based on pure lies. meanwhile bush let the actual people responsible for 911 off the hook? my how decisive? what has obama done that comes within a million miles of this atrocity?
5) as for the eqyptian situation. firstly Im not going to defend the US on this. their hand picking of puppet regimes has gone on across the middle east for decades. its all part of their empire. but you want to lay all that at obamas door for this? really? one glorious day the US will finally take all of their 1000 army camps worldwide and go home. until such a day the us president has to play the hand he is dealt. I dont think its conclusive that obama deliberately funded a military coup either , though the us governments have been doing this for a very long time. morsi seemed to be a diaster. but it was a democratic disaster. was the military funding sent to embolden him or to weaken him?

I'll go through your points in reverse order.


5. I don't fully understand what you're asking me. I feel that no one wanted egypt to become a muslim state, and it seem like it was heading that way, I think that is why the US had a problem with it.

And I think the world is a safer place with american army bases dotted around it, I believe we'd be speaking chinese or russian or forced to wear hijaabs without them keeping other countries in check.

4. Ok I did a bit a research and Obama has entered the US into more conflicts than Bush, also in the year 2010 & 2011 Obama spent more on the military that any other president before him. (If you are interested in disputing this, go look it up, it's not just my opinion, it's based in facts, Obama is as big a warmonger as Bush was).

He isn't a peaceful person at all, in fact the US has been involved in war every day of his presidency.

And these drone attack that he carries out in Pakistan, it's creating a steady amount of recruits for these terror organisation that attack america. He's just creating a bigger problem for others to deal with after he's gone.

3. Just because you think the russians motivation for acting are irrelevant, that doesn't make it so.

2. You say Obama demanded this and that. If he had the power to make demands of people, he would have got his way and bombed syria. Instead he had to back down and look for a way out of the conflict.

1. Isn't the real reason that these are dangerous people who hate america and there is no safe way to deal with them, so the best thing to do is ignore their human rights and keep them locked up, that way more americans (and innocent people throughout the world) are protected, but if you want to credit republicans with that, it's fine by me.