[the truth]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

You are mistaken, I am not wrong at all, where you and Nedusa see strength in the wishy washy way he's handled this, I see it for what it is.

What I want from the situation is for peace to happen. But that's not what my comment was about, I was referring to Obama's lack of decisiveness.

From my understanding russia & syria are allies, the notion that russia are doing this for the good of the US is incorrect.

And you left out stuff about Obama, like how the egyptian army are bankrolled by his government, they get about 1 billion a year from his government, this army recently overthrew the democratically elected president.

Also you left out how people have been locked up by Obama without trial and are still imprisoned by him, he has the power to release them.

Obama is just as much a warmonger as Bush was, but one of the differences is that Bush would have been decisive over this syrian thing.

1) re guantanamo bay, progress has been slow. But the place that expanded under bush for years with water boarding, now the number of inmtes has fallen to 169 and obama has been opposed by the republicans evert single step of the way
2) re syria Obama has been decisive though what could or should have been done by him the UN and the international community before the atrocities is a major question. But obama demanded action, he demanded a list of weapons, he got kerry on the case and kerry has risen to the task, obama persuaded the ruskies to sort it out too, he also demanded UN action. Where is your blame for the rest of the world?
3) whether the ruskies are doing for the good of america is utterly irrelevant, all that matters is that putin is acting thanks in part to obama.
4) As big a warmonger as bush? please back up that monolithic nonsense? the 1 difference is their decisiveness? yes decisiveness to go into massive bloodbath wars over lies where vast numbers are destroyed for illogical dishonest reasons? creating more terorism and more carnage for innocent people. if thats decisiveness , give me ponderous, thoughful , patient, cautious thanks very much.

Bush invaded a nation for no logical reason and left 100s of thousands of innocents dead, some estimate a million. for what? the premise of this 10 year carnage was based on pure lies. meanwhile bush let the actual people responsible for 911 off the hook? my how decisive? what has obama done that comes within a million miles of this atrocity?
5) as for the eqyptian situation. firstly Im not going to defend the US on this. their hand picking of puppet regimes has gone on across the middle east for decades. its all part of their empire. but you want to lay all that at obamas door for this? really? one glorious day the US will finally take all of their 1000 army camps worldwide and go home. until such a day the us president has to play the hand he is dealt. I dont think its conclusive that obama deliberately funded a military coup either , though the us governments have been doing this for a very long time. morsi seemed to be a diaster. but it was a democratic disaster. was the military funding sent to embolden him or to weaken him?