[user104658]

It is the very definition of crash dieting .

If it's been done on medical advice that's one thing (there are various medical reasons to fast) but that is literally the only time people should be considering it ... I'm genuinely a bit concerned that someone is going to read this thread and decide it's a great idea to stop eating for a couple of days, or only drink juice for a month. Besides the potential for physical complications, things like this can trigger bonafide eating disorders.

[Vicky.]

I would suggest a health checkup first, to make sure you do not have underlying diabetes or something. Besides that, safe to do and our bodies are designed to do it (shorter fasts, when you get onto months or whatever it does have dangers apparently, albeit, low ones)

Certainly not suggesting anyone just stop eating randomly Infact I wouldn't recommend anyone did it specifically for weight loss anyway, although it is a very very fast way to lose weight, and none of mine came back bar waterweight.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Of course it's subjective .. you claimed 'they' know it's bad for them, that's not true is it? Some people think it's perfectly acceptable as they only do it once or twice a week.
It's still a dangerous fad..you don't have to be doing something everyday for it to be dangerous or a fad.

Unlike you I don't believe binge drinking and fast food are perfectly ok just because someone isn't doing it everyday :/

I never said it was "perfectly ok". I said it's not dangerous if it's done in moderation.

Yes, it is true that they know. Everywhere you look we're bombarded with healthy eating/living messages. People know drinking/smoking/sugar/fat is bad but people do it anyway as the pleasure of those vices outweighs any 'possible' future consequences. That's just people with various different levels of self control/tolerance, nothing to do with them "not knowing".

But, yeah, whatever.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's a no then?...

I found this comment rude and aggressive, try being a little more respectful and tactful in your responses.

A no? You just asked a question about how dangerous juice cleanse is by quoting a post I replied to about "sweaty kebabs".

Stop deliberately pulling my replies out of context, it's childish.

[Vicky.]

Meh I think most have a 'anything in moderation is fine' mentality going on. Which is possibly right, maybe not but personally I would rather run the risk of an illness when older because of bad food choices, than be obsessively counting all calories, all fat content etc...that would be a pain in the arse tbh.

Mind, I also smoke, knowing full well its likely to give me issues at some stage.

Would rather enjoy life while I have it, than worry constantly trying to extend it in advance. Can't think of much worse than living to 100+ anyway!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Meh I think most have a 'anything in moderation is fine' mentality going on. Which is possibly right, maybe not but personally I would rather run the risk of an illness when older because of bad food choices, than be obsessively counting all calories, all fat content etc...that would be a pain in the arse tbh.

Mind, I also smoke, knowing full well its likely to give me issues at some stage.

Would rather enjoy life while I have it, than worry constantly trying to extend it in advance. Can't think of much worse than living to 100+ anyway!

Exactly. People take chances based on what they enjoy (or in some cases struggle to resist) whilst in full knowledge of what they are doing.

But, Kizzy likes to think they're all drooling uneducated twits who don't know what they're doing is unhealthy and she and her magic juice are all knowing.

[Vicky.]

I doubt theres many about that dont know that drinking even once a month then having a takeaway pizza or whatever is bad for you. Still tempting though so many do it anyway Near everything is bad for us anyway, or anything fun/yummy!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Amazing, you have done it in a way that you can maintain as well, lass calories more exercise is the only thing that works for me




A 30 day fast is insane if you can fast for that length of time you should have no problem sticking to 1400 calories or thereabouts, add in 20 minutes a day of an exercise that will raise your heart rate and you will lose weight in no time

I take it the insane comment is directed at me? ...

What exactly am I deficient in apart from a few calories? Veg juice has plenty of vitamins minerals and soluble fibre to sustain me through the day.
I'm finding it really rude the snide comments that I haven't thought this through and researched the benefits thoroughly. I have arthritis. .. some days I struggle to walk without moderate pain even on naproxen, please tell me what excersises you recommend for me that I can do for 20mins on those days Cherie. I'm really interested.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is the very definition of crash dieting .

If it's been done on medical advice that's one thing (there are various medical reasons to fast) but that is literally the only time people should be considering it ... I'm genuinely a bit concerned that someone is going to read this thread and decide it's a great idea to stop eating for a couple of days, or only drink juice for a month. Besides the potential for physical complications, things like this can trigger bonafide eating disorders.

Oh calm down, I haven't advocated it to anyone.. I've explained many times it was due to debilitating long term health conditions that I chose to reduce my calorie intake and drink only fruit and vegetable juices, hell if I'd said I was doing any other shake based diet would there be this much hoo-ha?
It's not a crash diet in any way shape or form.. I'm getting more nutrients from the juice in one sitting than I had in days on the diet I had! Refined carbs, sugar, saturated fat, more sugar.. how was that better?

Take your sanctamonious tone and drone on to someone else, I'm stunned you are accusing me of triggering someone into an eating disorder because Ive done a juice cleanse!!

My inspiration was seeing a film called 'fat, sick and nearly dead' for God's sake don't watch it, I don't want to be held responsible for your reaction!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

A no? You just asked a question about how dangerous juice cleanse is by quoting a post I replied to about "sweaty kebabs".

Stop deliberately pulling my replies out of context, it's childish.

You are evading the question again... no matter I'm past caring.
It's clear you are just making random negative comments with no reasoning behind your logic.

[Beso]

I'm ****ing hungry..

[Beso]

Is sweaty kebabs a secret code word for a forum member

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. People take chances based on what they enjoy (or in some cases struggle to resist) whilst in full knowledge of what they are doing.

But, Kizzy likes to think they're all drooling uneducated twits who don't know what they're doing is unhealthy and she and her magic juice are all knowing.

More rude ignorant comments..I'm done responding to your goading. Again those I work with think nothing of 'enjoying' themselves with drink and takeout. They don't see it as bad as they 'work hard' it's sociable and it's only once a week..

The assumption that everyone is well aware of the damage is wrong they don't , you are discrediting those I have spoke to to fit your narrative.

Personally I'm the opposite to Vicky, I will give up things to attempt to maintain my health for as long as possible. I've give up smoking, drinking, now if I have to I'll give up refined carbs, sat fat and sugar...

[Beso]

#istandwithkizzy

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by parmnion

#istandwithkizzy

YES to this!!!!

[Beso]

Best thread for me in ages..I've learned so much.

Thank you Kizzy.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Best thread for me in ages..I've learned so much.

Thank you Kizzy.

Same, Kizzy and Vicky's knowledge put together is super insightful/interesting. The dream team

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I take it the insane comment is directed at me? ...

What exactly am I deficient in apart from a few calories? Veg juice has plenty of vitamins minerals and soluble fibre to sustain me through the day.
I'm finding it really rude the snide comments that I haven't thought this through and researched the benefits thoroughly. I have arthritis. .. some days I struggle to walk without moderate pain even on naproxen, please tell me what excersises you recommend for me that I can do for 20mins on those days Cherie. I'm really interested.

How would it be directed at you, who is doing the water fast in this thread not you? You didn’t fast you were on a juice cleanse.


How do I know what pain you have, at any rate exercise is recommended for those even with severe arthritis...in fact if you don’t exercise you will cease up. Can you swim? or do water aerobics or something.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20047971

[user104658]

Yes congratulations to Kizzy on becoming a dietician. BSc in nutrition from "I watched a film about it" university.

Fasting is dangerous unless under medical direction.

But your bodies are your own so do what you want I guess.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

More rude ignorant comments..I'm done responding to your goading. Again those I work with think nothing of 'enjoying' themselves with drink and takeout. They don't see it as bad as they 'work hard' it's sociable and it's only once a week..

The assumption that everyone is well aware of the damage is wrong they don't , you are discrediting those I have spoke to to fit your narrative.

Personally I'm the opposite to Vicky, I will give up things to attempt to maintain my health for as long as possible. I've give up smoking, drinking, now if I have to I'll give up refined carbs, sat fat and sugar...

You think people can think "Ooh I've worked hard this week I'll treat myself to a takeaway or a beer" and that means they're not aware of the negative impact? Give over Kizzy. You're simplifying people and their actions to fit your own narrative that you're part of an enlightened few.

If you don't like goading don't quote a post I make to someone else and take it out of its context.

You began this exchange Kizzy, not me.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You are evading the question again... no matter I'm past caring.
It's clear you are just making random negative comments with no reasoning behind your logic.

I haven't evaded the question. What part of "I responded to a point Caprimint made" are you failing to grasp?

I neither know nor care how dangerous juice cleansing is, the post you took offence to was not referring to it. You're arguing about nothing.

Just as I never said takeaways and booze were "perfectly ok".

[Marsh.]

Maybe introducing some solid food into your diet would allow you to comprehend the written word better?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes congratulations to Kizzy on becoming a dietician. BSc in nutrition from "I watched a film about it" university.

Fasting is dangerous unless under medical direction.

But your bodies are your own so do what you want I guess.

So my research and experience is moot and you are the expert who knows beyond a shadow of a doubt it will either lead to an eating disorder or is otherwise dangerous?

Thanks professor

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

How would it be directed at you, who is doing the water fast in this thread not you? You didn’t fast you were on a juice cleanse.


How do I know what pain you have, at any rate exercise is recommended for those even with severe arthritis...in fact if you don’t exercise you will cease up. Can you swim? or do water aerobics or something.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20047971

Because it's my thread and I've just done a 30 day cleanse/ fast maybe, are you attempting to educate me on my own condition?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Because it's my thread and I've just done a 30 day cleanse/ fast maybe, are you attempting to educate me on my own condition?

Not at all, you just need to realise if you create a thread people will comment