[Cherie]

How many women identifiying as men end up on a male ward I wonder

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

How many women identifiying as men end up on a male ward I wonder

All of them. But that wont send you and others into the frenzy that this article does so theres no point writing an article about it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

All of them. But that wont send you and others into the frenzy that this article does so theres no point writing an article about it.

How do you know that?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do you know that?

Because the NHS doesn’t discriminate

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Because the NHS doesn’t discriminate

I mean how do you know that biologically born female's who are trans men (without the OP) have decided that they're going to go into mens wards pre op?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I mean how do you know that biologically born female's who are trans men (without the OP) have decided that they're going to go into mens wards pre op?

Same answer as above

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Because the NHS doesn’t discriminate

yeah sure

"Black and other minority ethnic staff are less likely to be promoted, or made executive directors or board members. A 2014 study, The Snowy White Peaks of the NHS, examined BME progression in the health service in London and exposed the lack of representation of BME staff in the upper echelons of the NHS. This was reflected nationally across other NHS bodies.

Furthermore, significantly greater numbers of NHS staff from BME backgrounds experience discrimination and bullying in the workplace than their white colleagues – and they are more likely than white colleagues to be disciplined over comparable issues. A survey of every NHS trust and primary care trust in England proves that BME workers are disproportionately involved in disciplinary procedures, grievances, bullying and harassment cases and capability reviews."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...discrimination

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

All of them. But that wont send you and others into the frenzy that this article does so theres no point writing an article about it.

If you can give me some links and examples rather than your own thoughts that would be great

[Cherie]

here's a link for you Withano


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...leap-pool.html


Can you provide some where females transitioning to males demanded to go into male prisons, male hospital wards etc of their own free will pre op of course

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

here's a link for you Withano


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...leap-pool.html

It will only become a "proper" issue when it upsets men of course

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It will only become a "proper" issue when it upsets men of course

If females trans are demanding to go into male prisons etc, I am pretty sure it will be reported somewhere

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If females trans are demanding to go into male prisons etc, I am pretty sure it will be reported somewhere

I mean, the fact is especially when it comes to prisons, biological men are more dangerous to biological women than the other way round so i would imagine that's a big reason why pre op trans men would want to go to womens prisons over mens. However if it's true that biological men are more of a danger to biological women then putting pre op trans women (biological men) into womens prisons is basically saying we're putting trans womens safety over biological womens safety

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It will only become a "proper" issue when it upsets men of course

It does upset countless transphobic men. As always ‘trans rights’ isn’t a men vs women issue regardless of how tibb makes it seem to be. But this argument has been done to death and back! We might as well read old threads, nobody has changed their stance, discussing it is a waste of time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

It does upset countless transphobic men. As always ‘trans rights’ isn’t a men vs women issue regardless of how tibb makes it seem to be. But this argument has been done to death and back! We might as well read old threads, nobody has changed their stance, discussing it is a waste of time.

What a terrible negative attitude to have just because people disagree with you and ask you to explain your views?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

It does upset countless transphobic men. As always ‘trans rights’ isn’t a men vs women issue regardless of how tibb makes it seem to be. But this argument has been done to death and back! We might as well read old threads, nobody has changed their stance, discussing it is a waste of time.

Trans rights are conflicting with womens rights though in some cases, especially the self ID stuff, that's my only issue

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Withano

This argument has been done to death and back! We might as well read old threads, nobody has changed their stance, discussing it is a waste of time.

Nothing more to say than this really. If I read a stance on trans issues on TiBB that I haven't seen before in 5 other threads I'll be utterly flabberghasted. Substitute "women's wards" in the title for "prisons", "women's shelters" or "bathrooms" and you can read everyone's response to this thread.