[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I listened to an interview MJ did a few years ago where he said he visited a children's hospital, the media accused him of ignoring the children even though he took Minnie & mickey mouse there to cheer them up . He knew he couldn't win whatever he did as the media was out to get him .

Jimmy Saville used to visit children’s hospitals...treating the kids to outings ....

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Jimmy Saville used to visit children’s hospitals...treating the kids to outings ....

Paedophiles tend to be brazen in that way, I mean Jimmy Saville actually had a show that granted kids their wishes. . .

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Paedophiles tend to be brazen in that way, I mean Jimmy Saville actually had a show that granted kids their wishes. . .

I wish people would stop comparing Saville to MJ . Saville never stood trial whereas MJ did ,plus there was evidence to prove Saville was GUILTY .

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I wish people would stop comparing Saville to MJ . Saville never stood trial whereas MJ did ,plus there was evidence to prove Saville was GUILTY .

Why not?...the similarities are there. The wealth...the gifts...the adulation and fixation with children.
You were trying to make out MJ did so much for children and those in hospitals...it does not prove he is innocent.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Why not?...the similarities are there. The wealth...the gifts...the adulation and fixation with children.
You were trying to make out MJ did so much for children and those in hospitals...it does not prove he is innocent.

No,but court of law did

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Why not?...the similarities are there. The wealth...the gifts...the adulation and fixation with children.
You were trying to make out MJ did so much for children and those in hospitals...it does not prove he is innocent.

Wowww I wasn't using his charity work to excuse anything. I simply said he stood trial and was found INNOCENT , you can't label someone a "paedophile" just because you think he's weird .

He was highly investigated for years !!! . Had negative media coverage for years !! .

Nothing like Saville!

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Wowww I wasn't using his charity work to excuse anything. I simply said he stood trial and was found INNOCENT , you can't label someone a "paedophile" just because you think he's weird .

He was highly investigated for years !!! . Had negative media coverage for years !! .

Nothing like Saville!

A blatant cover up is a blatant cover up.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Why not?...the similarities are there. The wealth...the gifts...the adulation and fixation with children.

You were trying to make out MJ did so much for children and those in hospitals...it does not prove he is innocent.

MO of a paedophile, just like why paedophiles choose to become priests easy access to children and at the time so powerful you weren't allowed question them

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Why not?...the similarities are there. The wealth...the gifts...the adulation and fixation with children.
You were trying to make out MJ did so much for children and those in hospitals...it does not prove he is innocent.

Doesn't prove he is a pedo either.

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Plus the mockumentary Implies Brett Barnes was abused by MJ so he's suing HBO . And lets not forget the BS claims by an old maid saying Maculay Culkin was abused , when Culkin has been defending MJ and still defends him today.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I wish people would stop comparing Saville to MJ . Saville never stood trial whereas MJ did ,plus there was evidence to prove Saville was GUILTY .

Exactly but sadly it seems MJs trial was a total waste of time.
So you mentioning a trial means nothing unfortunately
It's seen as a non event Goldheart.

To some he waas guilty, the law shouldn't hsve bothered with investigating him and not bother with Judge or a Jury.
So much for the law.

Then he's accused of abandoning this pair.
You raised he had his family.
It was fired back at you their abuse took place before his children was born.

That's the time frame of this pairs story.

It would never be considered,.why he spent less and less time with them.
Of the possible reason his own children came along and they were what mattered righty to him then.

You are totally right too in that MJ was in fact tried and cleared.
A world away from the Saville issue.

Good luck to you Goldheart however in your reasoning.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Exactly but sadly it seems MJs trial was a total waste of time.
So you mentioning a trial means nothing unfortunately
It's seen as a non event Goldheart.

To some he waas guilty, the law shouldn't hsve bothered with investigating him and not bother with Judge or a Jury.
So much for the law.

Then he's accused of abandoning this pair.
You raised he had his family.
It was fired back at you their abuse took place before his children was born.

That's the time frame of this pairs story.

It would never be considered,.why he spent less and less time with them.
Of the possible reason his own children came along and they were what mattered righty to him then.

You are totally right too in that MJ was in fact tried and cleared.
A world away from the Saville issue.

Good luck to you Goldheart however in your reasoning.

Yeah we're all going round in circles in appears . But I will continue to stick with facts just like you & Kaz as we a know these allegations make zero sense.

Exactly why bother with a court & law if people still think "no smoke without fire" .

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah we're all going round in circles in appears . But I will continue to stick with facts just like you & Kaz as we a know these allegations make zero sense.

Exactly why bother with a court & law if people still think "no smoke without fire" .

Because many have been found guilty in a court of law and then found innocent years later...many have been found not guilty when hard evidence failed to prove without doubt by biased jurors...
To me and many others the facts and allegations make complete sense..

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Because many have been found guilty in a court of law and then found innocent years later...many have been found not guilty when hard evidence failed to prove without doubt by biased jurors...
To me and many others the facts and allegations make complete sense..

While ignoring these new allegations are by 2 people who are known liars ?? .

And who are suing the Jackson estate for billion dollars , why are their stories so credible?? . Why didn't the film cover their history & backgrounds more? .

why only focus on word of mouth for a wasted 4 hours?. Why edit 45 mins out when people question inconsistencies? , nobody can ever answer me that ?? .

Wade adamantly said from a child with his mum & sister that MJ "would NEVER do that and that he was shocked at the allegations " . His Mum & Sister were backing that story up saying they've spent time at Neverland and seen that they all just watch videos & eat food .

The sister said she has slept there as well and I quote "mj would never hurt my brother" .

For years Wade continued to defend MJ until he got rejected for a tribute show & got into financial trouble ,then out the blue he appears on telly 2013 saying MJ abused him .

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I wish people would stop comparing Saville to MJ . Saville never stood trial whereas MJ did ,plus there was evidence to prove Saville was GUILTY .

BOTH paedophiles so fine to be compared

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

BOTH paedophiles so fine to be compared

You said that about Cliff Richards Chuff,he was also found not guilty,it cant be the 'laws' fault all the time surely.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You said that about Cliff Richards Chuff,he was also found not guilty,it cant be the 'laws' fault all the time surely.

Wait until after he dies

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You said that about Cliff Richards Chuff,he was also found not guilty,it cant be the 'laws' fault all the time surely.

Cliff wasn't even arrested Kazanne.
He just went and talked to Police.

No charges, nothing to answer to.

It really is incredible we bother to have a law system at all.
It seems it's felt some public opinion should just be gathered.
Ignoring all law verdict on people some don't like.
Even if they've never been arrested even like Cliff.

Thanks by the way.
Don't though please open yourself up to getting any grief on my part.
You've had far more than enough, unnecessary too, to contend with already.

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Cliff wasn't even arrested Kazanne.
He just went and talked to Police.

No charges, nothing to answer to.

It really is incredible we bother to have a law system at all.
It seems it's felt some public opinion should just be gathered.
Ignoring all law verdict on people some don't like.
Even if they've never been arrested even like Cliff.

Thanks by the way.
Don't though please open yourself up to getting any grief on my part.
You've had far more than enough, unnecessary too, to contend with already.

Of course we need Law and Order....but as you well know Joey just because the verdict is Not Guilty doesn’t always mean someone isn’t...it just means they didn’t have enough proof to prove guilt.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

BOTH paedophiles so fine to be compared

ONLY Saville WAS , but once again you enjoy jumping to conclusions about MJ & Cliff despite them both being cleared and no evidence being found to incriminate them .

In this society people are damned if they do and damned if they don't

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

ONLY Saville WAS , but once again you enjoy jumping to conclusions about MJ & Cliff despite them both being cleared and no evidence being found to incriminate them .

In this society people are damned if they do and damned if they don't

Well said Goldheart, clearly the law means not a thing on here.

We really would live in a sad and in fact extremely dangerous society, where without any rule or protection in law.
People could just brand anyone, celebrity or otherwise, as something so serious as a paedophile, publicly too.
As on here a public forum.

Opening them up to possible kangaroo style courts and judgements and mob vigilantes.

With no recorded substantiated evidence against them.
It seems even here it's actually encouraged to do so.

One thing I'd do in law if I was ever asked to bring a new law in.
It would be to make it an actual crime to publicly brand anyone something they have not been proven to be.

I'm done on this thread.
Frankly, it now disgusts me as to the false accusations made as fact.
Truly awful.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well said Goldheart, clearly the law means not a thing on here.

We really would live in a sad and in fact extremely dangerous society, where without any rule or protection in law.
People could just brand anyone, celebrity or otherwise, as something so serious as a paedophile, publicly too.
As on here a public forum.

Opening them up to possible kangaroo style courts and judgements and mob vigilantes.

With no recorded substantiated evidence against them.
It seems even here it's actually encouraged to do so.

One thing I'd do in law if I was ever asked to bring a new law in.
It would be to make it an actual crime to publicly brand anyone something they have not been proven to be.

I'm done on this thread.
Frankly, it now disgusts me as to the false accusations made as fact.
Truly awful.

Yeah Now in this modern culture , especially with metoo movement it appears anyone can be accused of these serious accusations with nothing to back it up which is extremely damaging . And it seems to be "Guilty until proven innocent" or in MJ's case a mixture of people no matter what thinking he's guilty as he was portrayed for years as the "weird guy" , and other people think he;s innocent using facts to debunk it.

But i think if MJ was alive today then the Leaving Neverland film WOULDN'T exist and wade & James wouldn't of made these allegations towards him, as him being alive would change their plans .

Conveniently after he's been dead 10 years that's when they make this film and try to sue the estate, and in their messed up heads seem to think the Jackson estate should be held accountable for their alleged child abuse , which again makes no sense . And it all just seem's like greed and all about money .

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

ONLY Saville WAS , but once again you enjoy jumping to conclusions about MJ & Cliff despite them both being cleared and no evidence being found to incriminate them .

In this society people are damned if they do and damned if they don't

Cliff has not been cleared as he's never been charged ......Yet

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Cliff has not been cleared as he's never been charged ......Yet

What makes you sure Chuff that Cliff was a child molester he's always seemed quite 'clean' living to me. Have people actually accused him,plus nothing was found at his home when the BBC raided it.