[Beso]

I hope everyone knows that my opinions on this are my own opinions, no matter what any court or news outlet, or even person says.....it's my opinion...and definatly very strong for the simple reason it's what I believe to be true...I don't have these opinions to wind anybody up or to shock...or be edgy.....it's me..this is whom I am..


I don't judge anyone on here and find this particular thread rather epic..

[GoldHeart]

Youtube video

Youtube video

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Epic.

It was shown occuring in the end credits

Really ?, I watched it and never saw that, maybe someone can find a clip

[Cherie]

Those videos throw up some anomlies

so the maid had a key and could enter at any time, but Wade claims there were alarms rigged up so that on one could enter without them going off

she was also paid by newspapers for her story

Wades wife said she had no experience of child abuse so didn't recognise the signs in Wade but was listed a child abuse survivor herself on their charity website

Safechucks parents were being sued for 800,000 dollars by their fathers sisters as he stopped paying them dividends from a company they invested in at the time Safechuck jumped on board the lawsuit

They are filing for duty of care/negligence of Jacksons companies when he was the 100 per cent shareholder, and didn't bring a criminal suit as this wouldn't pay out, also both sets of parents took the kids back after the original case collapsed....they should be suing their parents for lack of duty of care surely?

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Once again all this is OLD rubbish that was debunked .

That German guy was selling fake mj memorabilia online and he got caught out ! .

Yes, Here's a video to show how much of a fraud he is.

Youtube video

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Of course we need Law and Order....but as you well know Joey just because the verdict is Not Guilty doesn’t always mean someone isn’t...it just means they didn’t have enough proof to prove guilt.

When Cliff sued the BBC a lot of things were not allowed to be brought up in court ..Why ???????/

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

ONLY Saville WAS , but once again you enjoy jumping to conclusions about MJ & Cliff despite them both being cleared and no evidence being found to incriminate them .

In this society people are damned if they do and damned if they don't

Cliff has not been cleared as he's never been charged ......Yet

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Cliff has not been cleared as he's never been charged ......Yet

What makes you sure Chuff that Cliff was a child molester he's always seemed quite 'clean' living to me. Have people actually accused him,plus nothing was found at his home when the BBC raided it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What makes you sure Chuff that Cliff was a child molester he's always seemed quite 'clean' living to me. Have people actually accused him,plus nothing was found at his home when the BBC raided it.

So did Saville ,this is what they hide behind ............. The Sheffield men who claimed he sexual attacked them ,his name spring up behind so many things Yew Tree being one of them

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What makes you sure Chuff that Cliff was a child molester he's always seemed quite 'clean' living to me. Have people actually accused him,plus nothing was found at his home when the BBC raided it.

COPIED AND PASTED

Unfortunately though, Reverend Cliff forgot to mention some other altogether more disturbing rumours, that his faithful fans might not be aware of.

They include the following:

– that Cliff and Melvyn Bragg share a repulsive hobby that the average person would find sickening.

– that Cliff is linked to notorious boy-brothel Elm Guest House,where boys were trafficked from local care homes to be abused by VIP filth, and used the pseudonym, Kitty.

– that Cliff knew about the BBC paedophile ring, linked to Government and Royalty

– that Cliff was questioned several times by police officers following the brutal murder of his ‘close’ chum Jill Dando, who was about to blow the lid on the ring.

– that Cliff recently renounced his British citizenship and is now a fully fledged Barbadian

– that Cliff has been helped by his pals in Mi5 to evade justice when abuse allegations have been made against him.

– that Cliff is really nothing like his wholesome, religious, celibate persona at all and has actually hoodwinked us, Jimmy Savile style, for decades.

So you see, being exposed as gay is the very least of Cliff Richard’s worries.

His biggest secret has yet to be revealed…

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What makes you sure Chuff that Cliff was a child molester he's always seemed quite 'clean' living to me. Have people actually accused him,plus nothing was found at his home when the BBC raided it.

https://www.freeandfearless.org.uk/e...st-house-list/

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What makes you sure Chuff that Cliff was a child molester he's always seemed quite 'clean' living to me. Have people actually accused him,plus nothing was found at his home when the BBC raided it.

http://narrowboater.blogspot.com/201...hs-at-bbc.html

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

http://narrowboater.blogspot.com/201...hs-at-bbc.html

That is some roll call Chuff,surely that would blow the BBC apart if it was true, and some of those names are and were highly regarded.Surely someone would have dobbed them all in by now.

[Nancy.]

According to various sources, there is something called a 'statute of limitations' that says you have 3 years to report a crime of sexual abuse, but they are now making it 10 years in California.

Regardless, they tried to sue MJ's estate and it was dismissed, but it looks like they found a loophole within the law and that's why they're appealing.

"If a survivor of sexual violence discovers an injury or illness that has resulted from an act of sexual assault, he or she can file a civil action for recovery of damages within three years of the date that the injury was discovered. This is important because psychological injuries and illnesses can appear many years after an incident of sexual violence."

So that's why they keep claiming they didn't realise they had been sexually abused (despite both of them knowing the authorities were investigating the most famous "pedophile" in the world since 93).

Sounds to me like they've concocted this story to get around the statute of limitations.

I watched the Oprah interview and even she said "how can you not know it was abuse?" followed by "and you lied to your first therapist?"

They are playing the public for fools if they want us to believe they didn't know what sexual abuse was until 2013.

Anyway,. Watch this from 6:10 onwards...

Youtube video

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That is some roll call Chuff,surely that would blow the BBC apart if it was true, and some of those names are and were highly regarded.Surely someone would have dobbed them all in by now.

Its things like this that make the BBC the most bent broadcasters ever

[Nancy.]

Speaking of the Oprah interview with the Accusers, watch Safechuck's face when she mentions the marriage ceremony. He can hardly contain himself.

Click at 6:20...

Youtube video

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Speaking of the Oprah interview with the Accusers, watch Safechuck's face when she mentions the marriage ceremony. He can hardly contain himself.

Watch from 6:05 onwards...

Youtube video

Looks to me like despite everything he still considers it a fond memory - which comes across a lot from both of them in the documentary and, again, doesn't mean they weren't groomed or abused. He does a small, vague, slightly sad looking smile and it's branded "he can barely contain himself!!" in yet another youtube video from what is clearly a biased fan. I said I wasn't going to click any more of these videos and yet here I am again, viewing MORE of the same.

I suppose at least it was from a sensible source this time...



ffs.

[Nancy.]

Recent quote from the director of the mockumentary...

"The astonishing thing is also when you go online on Twitter and stuff, which I try not to do too much, there’s people who spend a great deal of time and care into creating videos exposing the lies of Leaving Neverland, and pretty much everything they are saying have been contradicted by the documentary itself. All you need to do is watch the documentary. There’s this thing around of “Oh, well how come Stephanie knew about the abuse, how come she was dancing when Michael Jackson died when James told her about the abuse in 2013?” Well, that’s not the case. James told his mother about the abuse in 2005, and that’s clear in the film. He told her “Michael abused me” in 2005. If you watched the film with both eyes and ears open, that’s incredibly obvious and plain. That’s the bizarre thing; they don’t even seem to watch the film. A lot of what they’re saying is based on the letter the Jackson estate’s lawyer wrote before he watched the film. So it’s not a dialogue between the Jackson truthers and my documentary, it’s an internal dialogue within the community of Jackson truthers kind of convincing one another that “we gotcha!” when in fact, none of it relates to my documentary. It’s like people shouting inside some kind of cult temple and none of them ever look outside."



He's just destroyed Safechuck case, whose only chance of overcoming the status of limitation is by sticking to the version which says he only realised he was abused in 2013.

and they wonder why the judge throw out his lawsuits.

Oprah asked him "when did you first realise you were abused"?, and his answer was "only when I saw Wade on TV". Reed has just confirmed that Safechuck lied to Oprah (of course while putting on his sad face - after all, he is so traumatised by the recent realisation that he lived all his life on a lie (please forget about the claim that he told his Mother in 2005 about the lie that he has just realised and causing him all this visible trauma.

We mustn''t shame the poor traumatised "victim(s)" now, must we

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

http://narrowboater.blogspot.com/201...hs-at-bbc.html

the author of that bollox need his head examined

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Looks to me like despite everything he still considers it a fond memory - which comes across a lot from both of them in the documentary and, again, doesn't mean they weren't groomed or abused. He does a small, vague, slightly sad looking smile and it's branded "he can barely contain himself!!" in yet another youtube video from what is clearly a biased fan. I said I wasn't going to click any more of these videos and yet here I am again, viewing MORE of the same.

I suppose at least it was from a sensible source this time...



ffs.

Yes Pearl has wild conspiracy theories about MJ faking his own death which i DON'T agree with and i don't believe , and she's even made a full 3 part dvd series , i haven't seen it . But her other information about Wade & Jimmy and the whole abuse allegations being BS i agree with and that's all i'm bothered about .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

the author of that bollox need his head examined

I clicked on the link and this conspiracy is even more insane than MJ faking his own death

Plus the only shocking murder from that list that stands out to me is Jill Dando, but i didn't go through the entire web page.

Mark Speight killing himself was also shocking after his girlfriend's death.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I clicked on the link and this conspiracy is even more insane than MJ faking his own death



Plus the only shocking murder from that list that stands out to me is Jill Dando, but i didn't go through the entire web page.



Mark Speight killing himself was also shocking after his girlfriend's death.

Jill Dando wasn't murdered she was assassinated. It sounds like an insane conspiracy theory but it's actually the facts of the case; the man who was initially charged with her killing was later found not to have done it and was released, no one else has ever been caught, and the police are certain that it was a professional paid killer.

There's a lot of debate over why she was killed and no one really knows 100% but she clearly knew something that people with power and influence wanted kept secret.

Its a bizarre case.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Jill Dando wasn't murdered she was assassinated. It sounds like an insane conspiracy theory but it's actually the facts of the case; the man who was initially charged with her killing was later found not to have done it and was released, no one else has ever been caught, and the police are certain that it was a professional paid killer.

There's a lot of debate over why she was killed and no one really knows 100% but she clearly knew something that people with power and influence wanted kept secret.

Its a bizarre case.

Jill Dando fronted crime watch so would be the biggest lead in my eyes.

Mark killed himself because his gf over dosed in the bath.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yes Pearl has wild conspiracy theories about MJ faking his own death which i DON'T agree with and i don't believe , and she's even made a full 3 part dvd series , i haven't seen it . But her other information about Wade & Jimmy and the whole abuse allegations being BS i agree with and that's all i'm bothered about .

That's exactly how I feel.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yes Pearl has wild conspiracy theories about MJ faking his own death which i DON'T agree with and i don't believe , and she's even made a full 3 part dvd series , i haven't seen it . But her other information about Wade & Jimmy and the whole abuse allegations being BS i agree with and that's all i'm bothered about .

Originally Posted by Nancy.

That's exactly how I feel.

"She talks a pile of wild, unsubstantiated nonsense except when I agree with her - then it's true."