[Ammi]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah I was thinking this earlier, I'm not sure about criticising JK as exploitative television when we are on a forum dedicated to Big Brother as well tbh

...yeah this really...He’s not someone I have watched much of because of his character../...because of the contemptuous way he is with his guests, as if they are lesser than him and yet these are the people who have created his earnings...it’s exploitative for sure but..(...especially over the later years...)...Big Brother was right up there in the land of exploitative and it was something I still watched ...

[Kazanne]

I am going to go right against most thoughts on here ,I do acknowledge Jeremy Kyle could be harsh and overbearing at times BUT I don't think it's right to blame him for this death or make it a reason to vent how he's hated so much, We know nothing about the guy who killed himself ,for all we know he could have done it because the woman in question would not speak to him after he had asked if they could talk, and now she is seen crying and distressed saying how much she loved him, so why did she not give him the benefit of the doubt and speak to him,plus his stepdaughter has apparently said it was not Kyles fault and has spoken to the press about her father and it's not all good, I watched a debate this morning which also names the tabloids for doing exactly the same , printing people's life's stories with NO aftercare and no permission from the people they choose at all and not giving them a chance to answer back they have also ruined lives, This guy was vetted by the Kyle show ,he also had a doctors certificate, so it seems he was not just thrown in the ring, these people WANT to be on TV for whatever reason and will do anything to get there, people just seem to be on the bandwagon now,it seems it's not about this guy just about how much they hate Jeremy Kyle, I don't hate him I have no reason to and I do hope other shows and tabloids etc all get pulled up on what they are exploiting,The tabloids imo are just hypocrites.MTV is right ,BB was also an exploitative show

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I get that point there's a big difference. People go on BB and LI for fame / love / the experience. Whereas people (usually vunerable) go on Jeremy Kyle to air their dirty laundry on TV and potentially ruin their or someone else's family or relationship in front of 1million+ viewers.

Many who appeared on BB were also quite obviously vulnerable though and had issues and while its not the stated purpose of the show their dirty laundry definitely still gets aired across the course of the series.. I think going on BB or LI can do more damage to someone's life than going on JK can. At least with JK they do actually offer serious and professional support to people who appear on their program and for some people going on there gives them an opportunity to get issues addressed with they otherwise wouldn't

Some of it is definitely uncomfortable but I'm not sure where you draw the line if you start saying it shouldn't be aired..

[Ammi]

...although it’s not the purpose of ‘reality’ shows as such...I can’t see that they are reality anymore...they grew as something more ‘fly on the wall’..but now they’re all very much edited so the producers get to play ‘God’ in terms of how the contestants are viewed by the public...for some they show more best bits and for others they show more ‘worst’ bits ....and that’s something the contestants can’t really prepare for...how they’re edited...I mean, what could be more exploitative than that...

[Ammi]

...for me it’s what killed BB...they created ‘villains’ and then just left them there for the public to hate over...

[Kazanne]

I see they are coming out the woodwork now,some guests who previously said nothing are saying how the show ruined their lives, really ? lol Wonder if there is money involved here and the tabloids lap it up, when they do even worse,it's farcical.

[thesheriff443]

Trisha Goddard has said, let’s face it it’s never about the guests.

I have to agree, it’s the english version of Gerry springer.

The only thing missing was the women showing there tits to get Jeremy beads.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

For anyone that would happen to know... is this more of a "Dr. Phil" or "Jerry Springer" kind of show? Because I like Jerry Springer but can't stand Dr. Phil.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure these "talk show" types are totally scripted. That was always my assumption

Yeah a bit like that. Closer to Jerry Springer in that it’s a more hostile environment. There was a Jeremy Kyle Show USA made a few years back too

[Kazanne]

Been debated again now on Channel 5, 3 of the panel have said they had excellent care and it's unfair to target Kyle himself, which I agree with.Wasn't there a show in America Jenny Jones ,which one of her guests shot someone.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Been debated again now on Channel 5, 3 of the panel have said they had excellent care and it's unfair to target Kyle himself, which I agree with.Wasn't there a show in America Jenny Jones ,which one of her guests shot someone.

I remember that, I mean that kind of proves these shows (most of them anyway) are exploitative and irresponsible, doesn't it? It's like poking the fire with people who are, alot of times, already struggling mentally and have anger/drug issues. And I don't know how anyone could defend Jeremy Kyle, the way he speaks to and treats his guests is disgustingly arrogant and callous, he's by far the worst of any of the talk show hosts in that respect imo

[Amy Jade]

I think some are a bit snooty about Jeremy Kyle really. Yep they do kind of humiliate people but they have helped loads get off drugs. I watched one when a guy was doing coke every single day. They sent him to rehab and he was back on months later clean and he had changed his life.

It's not all messy imho

[Cal.]

It’s been properly axed oop

[Cal.]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...from-overdose/

[Liam-]

Yet Love Island will carry on for as long as it makes ITV money

[Liam-]

The government has shown more interest in this one suicide the last week, than the thousands that they’ve caused by wrongly taking away pensions and disability.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain tea

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The government has shown more interest in this one suicide the last week, than the thousands that they’ve caused by wrongly taking away pensions and disability.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain tea

I don't disagree with you but it doesn't excuse this either just because other bad things are happening too

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't disagree with you but it doesn't excuse this either just because other bad things are happening too

Oh no, taking it off air is the right decision, not just because of the suicide, but because it’s garbage

It just shows that people in power pick and choose when to care about mental health, mainly if it benefits them or not

[Ammi]

... perhaps they were looking to axe it anyway...I don’t feel they would have made the decision so quickly if they weren’t feeling it had run it’s course ..this has just highlighted something though, which I fear is just going to be brushed aside now as being a Jeremy Kyle Show specific thing when it really isn’t...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I think some are a bit snooty about Jeremy Kyle really. Yep they do kind of humiliate people but they have helped loads get off drugs. I watched one when a guy was doing coke every single day. They sent him to rehab and he was back on months later clean and he had changed his life.

It's not all messy imho

I agree, he has done loads of good for families,druggies and the like,but all that gets put aside as people just don't like HIM, these people are not forced to go on, many go back several times, I would defend him on that , I just hope the tabloids take a good look at some of the vunerable people they have destroyed who have no comeback or aftercare.It's been pulled now anyway so lets find something else to complain about. I just find it all so hypocritical, when we are fans of so many reality shows.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Oh no, taking it off air is the right decision, not just because of the suicide, but because it’s garbage

It just shows that people in power pick and choose when to care about mental health, mainly if it benefits them or not

Well yeah, I can't argue with that unfortunately

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Many who appeared on BB were also quite obviously vulnerable though and had issues and while its not the stated purpose of the show their dirty laundry definitely still gets aired across the course of the series...

Iirc, one of the BB11 UK prospects committed suicide months after not making it onto the show

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Iirc, one of the BB11 UK prospects committed suicide months after not making it onto the show

I don't know how true it is but didn't Aaron BB12 claim that several of the BB12 housemates had attempted suicide as well

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't know how true it is but didn't Aaron BB12 claim that several of the BB12 housemates had attempted suicide as well

The way Aaron was treated was pretty shocking aswell

[Kazanne]

I do think the show had maybe run it's course as I stopped watching it a while ago as it had gotten stale the same old thing most of the time, If Im home I watch Jeremy Vine now, so I do think it being pulled was maybe always going to happen

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I think some are a bit snooty about Jeremy Kyle really. Yep they do kind of humiliate people but they have helped loads get off drugs. I watched one when a guy was doing coke every single day. They sent him to rehab and he was back on months later clean and he had changed his life.

It's not all messy imho

Yeah I do think there's an element of snobbishness to it because the guests are often poorly educated and from lower class backgrounds, I know they sort of play on that and it becomes a bit of an object of mockery but still - you can cancel Jeremy Kyle but its not going to erase people like that from society and if they're people who can't or won't seek help through the normal routes available then why not use the show to try and sort out their issues