[Niamh.]

Oh swan **** off , there is no "white man struggles " ffs, are you bored or something?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Ant.

swan sweety weren't you the one that said you don't believe in labels like "gay" and "homosexual" and that you only see people?? or am i misremembering

Correct i don't shake a mans had and think 'oh you're a gay male', they're just male to me.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So, your chance of facing racial discrimination is the same as a non-white person?
Your chance of facing sexism is equal to that of women?
Your, assuming you're straight, chance of facing discrimination due to your sexuality is equal to those who aren't straight?

Depends, if a non-white is in charge of hiring they might have a bias towards hiring their same race, for example.
And I'm not straight

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

They shouldn't except it, they also shouldn't assume a white straight male doesn't care about their struggles (this is a very dangerous growing trend) because a lot do.

They don't. That probably comes up when they're presented with whataboutery, which I explained in a previous post.

Originally Posted by Swan

No i think in order to achieve the change you want to see, no matter what they may be, you need to accept that a minority will never see things your way, or accept you for who you are. Those people need to be dismissed, why give them attention?

Because it's not just about bullies in a playground or name-calling. It's about those bullies in a playground mis-educating the next generations, growing up to become the leaders and employers in our society. No offence, but that doesn't really need explaining. That's why it needs to be addressed.

Originally Posted by Swan

No, we need to unite and fight together, no matter our race, sexuality etc. Again, if i accept you, you need to accept me. We are more divided than ever imo. I wont face homosexual hardships as a straight man, granted, that doesn't mean that straight males aren't sympathetic towards the cause.

True. But they're not saying ALL straight men aren't sympathetic but that straight men are the problem because they are. It's not gay people discriminating other gay people, it's the straight people who see straight as the "normal" default position. That's what's being addressed. I feel people need to not feel personally admonished when a societal problem is discussed in those terms.

It's a bit like talking about the ills of the British Empire and taking offence as though you are being admonished for it because you are British.

You are straight and you are not homophobic, great, so you aren't the problem.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Depends, if a non-white is in charge of hiring they might have a bias towards hiring their same race, for example.
And I'm not straight

You didn't answer the question(s).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cal.

Enjoy these holidays gorgeous!

You're my favourite forum child, I hope you know

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Correct i don't shake a mans had and think 'oh you're a gay male', they're just male to me.

why do you keep saying homosexuals then

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Cal.

I love how you’ve responded to Marsh’s post where he was saying they shouldn’t have to accept it with an opening line which states they shouldn’t have to accept it before going on to explain that they should just get on with it and accept it.

They shouldn't have to no, but in order to go forward they need to leave those people behind.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh swan **** off , there is no "white man struggles " ffs, are you bored or something?

What?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

You mean like Gary, or Paul, or Mike from their Indian call centres. Trust me, diversity in jobs where i live isn't a problem.

You have a problem that there isn't more English people in India?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Ant.

why do you keep saying homosexuals then

Read the thread back

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You're my favourite forum child, I hope you know

This is absolutely disgusting. I've reported this and I hope James is online and deals with this level of bias accordingly.

A Mod? A ****ing mod, you ****ing wish!

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You're my favourite forum child, I hope you know

Now get on that bloody wine! It’s Xmas!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

They shouldn't have to no, but in order to go forward they need to leave those people behind.

Except, those people don't vanish into thin air do they? They still work their way through society and affect things? Just look at the news.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Swan

What?

You heard her!!!

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

You mean like Gary, or Paul, or Mike from their Indian call centres. Trust me, diversity in jobs where i live isn't a problem.

you lit didn't answer the question. do you think that there isn't at least one boss that doesn't hire based on prejudice

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You have a problem that there isn't more English people in India?

It was a light hearted joke

If you have any knowledge of Indian call centres, you'll know that the employers usually give the workers a script, and more english sounding names, which is funny, and ridiculous at the same time.

Apologies for having a sense of humour

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

It was a light hearted joke

If you have any knowledge of Indian call centres, you'll know that the employers usually give the workers a script, and more english sounding names, which is funny, and ridiculous at the same time.

Apologies for having a sense of humour

I never chastised you for it, it's hard to understand tone with written words.

But, I would say what you've highlighted is a form of racism as people immediately get their backs up when presented with a foreign accent on the phone so the fact they have to "white" themselves up in order to try and avoid any hassle or abuse is ridiculous, as you say.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Cal.

You heard her!!!

I asked her

Originally Posted by Ant.

you lit didn't answer the question. do you think that there isn't at least one boss that doesn't hire based on prejudice

Yes absolutely. No one race is excluded from this.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I didn't say anything about discrimination? I said everyone has the same opportunities in the modern world. Unless you think an employer is going to choose not to hire someone due to their race? Nah.

Oh yes they will, but they will give a different reason.
Your reasoning is beyond naive.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never chastised you for it, it's hard to understand tone with written words.

But, I would say what you've highlighted is a form of racism as people immediately get their backs up when presented with a foreign accent on the phone so the fact they have to "white" themselves up in order to try and avoid any hassle or abuse is ridiculous, as you say.

Yes big companies are holding back progression by assuming certain customers what a more 'english' person to speak to. Which is sometimes true i guess.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Swan

I asked her .

And I told ya luv

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Cal.

And I told ya luv

That's nice dear

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Yes big companies are holding back progression by assuming certain customers what a more 'english' person to speak to. Which is sometimes true i guess.

A good example of giving in to racism. That's the kind of thing "acceptance" causes.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I didn't say my life wouldn't be different, i was asking what examples of this apparently widespread discrimination and devaluation of BAME people I've apparently been missing.

I'm struggling to see what is so hard to miss. Discrimination happens everyday. Mental health problems in BAME groups as a result of discrimination in the UK is increasing - but we're all on equal footing, right?

Comments like this are where terms like 'pale, stale, and male' have spawned from - you cannot possibly suggest that something does not exist when it is not something that you experience or concerns you directly. Because I can bet you that if it did concern you, you'd know considerably more about it. But it doesn't, so you don't.