[James]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Things just dont make sense to me..

I'm out in the van today and I've passed 2a learner drivers sat with the instructor in a car with the windows up and no face coverings...surely that is more dangerous than a supermarket!

Originally Posted by AnnieK

My friends husband is a driving instructor and he said all instructors and learners should wear correct PPE. They have to talk when facing forward, not face to face, no air con but the vehicle must be ventilated, no handshakes and the car sanitised between each learner taking extra care where anyone could touch. The ones you have seen are obviously not following the rules. Every learner I have spotted round here have had masks on

If you cover your nose it can cause your glasses to steam up, which isn't a good idea for driving.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

imagine those against face masks bringing up something silly as ''civil rights''

it is either you wearing a face mask, or you stay at home and never leave your home

So you would force someone with underlying health conditions to wear a mask even though it could kill them and if they refused you would have them starve at home, yeah?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So you would force someone with underlying health conditions to wear a mask even though it could kill them and if they refused you would have them starve at home, yeah?

There are exemptions though for people who are unable to physically wear a mask. The people I have seen saying they won't wear them is not because of medical issues, its because they don't want to.

You do not need to wear a face covering if you have a legitimate reason not to. This includes:

young children under the age of 11
not being able to put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability
if putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress
if you are travelling with or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading to communicate
to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others
to avoid injury, or to escape a risk of harm, and you do not have a face covering with you
to eat or drink, but only if you need to
to take medication
if a police officer or other official requests you remove your face covering

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-make-your-own

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Things just dont make sense to me..

I'm out in the van today and I've passed 2a learner drivers sat with the instructor in a car with the windows up and no face coverings...surely that is more dangerous than a supermarket!

They are both meant to be wearing face coverings

[Cherie]

I went to get my haircut today and the stylist came at me to put the gown on with no face covering, I told her I would put the gown on myself I hate all that helping with the gown anyway, then she led me to a chair, when I asked where her visor was, she said she had it when she was with clients, I said you are with one now and off she went and got it...they haven been open that long to get complacent in my book

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So you would force someone with underlying health conditions to wear a mask even though it could kill them and if they refused you would have them starve at home, yeah?

no, i'd say provide them with food, medical supplies, put that in front of their frontdoor

those people need extra care in crisis times like these

[Tom4784]

Masks have been proven not to affect breathing so for the vast majority of people, it shouldn't be a problem.

If the average person is whining about wearing a mask, they're just being a tart about it.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Masks have been proven not to affect breathing so for the vast majority of people, it shouldn't be a problem.

If the average person is whining about wearing a mask, they're just being a tart about it.

Mask dont effect breathing.. what kind of pish is this .

of course they restrict breathing somewhat or there would be no point in bloody wearing one if they didnt.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Mask dont effect breathing.. what kind of pish is this .

of course they restrict breathing somewhat or there would be no point in bloody wearing one if they didnt.

It's quite simple, they don't block O2 particles but they help block out far larger Covid particles.

There's no reason for the average person to not wear a mask, it's ignorant, selfish and childish not to.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Mask dont effect breathing.. what kind of pish is this .

of course they restrict breathing somewhat or there would be no point in bloody wearing one if they didnt.

They restrict the propulsion of your lurgy, they don't affect your breathing. How many surgeons have you ever heard of that had to be carried out of an operating theatre due to breathing difficulties caused by masks?

[user104658]

They don't physically restrict breathing so the argument that it "could kill you" is just nonsense.

The only valid reason someone might not wear one is if they have an intellectual or learning disability that means they are unable to understand why they need to keep it on and keep touching or removing it (which would be worse than not wearing one at all). My youngest obviously doesn't understand about Covid or infection control for example. Thankfully she is a little copycat so if her sister is wearing one, she would be furious about NOT also wearing one. Not that they come in shops often anyway these days, just if they need to use the bathroom etc.

There are also people who have panic disorders that are triggered by having something covering their face. I have sympathy for that too. BUT it's very rare and the number of people claiming they can't handle it is ridiculous. Feeling a bit uncomfortable/anxious is not the same thing AT ALL as a full-scale panic disorder ffs.

People are just unwilling and being defiant to be honest. Won't try it at all, or won't try various different options etc. For example, my wife (being in community healthcare) has a stash of disposable masks in her car; I find them absolutely awful to wear. They make me feel claustrophobic and they make my face itch. But I have my own cloth masks (decent quality ones) that are fine, don't even notice that I'm wearing one after a few minutes.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Mask dont effect breathing.. what kind of pish is this .

of course they restrict breathing somewhat or there would be no point in bloody wearing one if they didnt.

Covid-19 is not an airborne virus, you catch it from droplets and particles. The air passes through, the droplets and particles are blocked.

[user104658]

On the psych side they can make you FEEL like they restrict your breathing because instinctually, if something is covering your nose and mouth, you want to remove it to be "on the safe side". It makes you anxious, you subconsciously start breathing heavily, and that's what makes it feel like it's hard to breathe. If you relax and breathe normally you're fine. It's a mind over matter thing.

Think of "Jimmy" in independence day (Will Smith's pilot friend). He's panicking and feels like he can't breathe, instinctively pulls off his mask (oxygen mask for pilots at altitude) and Will Smith is like "Put your mask back on! Jimmy! Jimmy nooooooOOoooOoOooo!!".... *ahem*... So yeah anyway it's the same principle. Jimmy could breathe with the mask on, Jimmy needed to keep his mask on, Jimmy panicked and felt restricted and pulled his mask off (not really realistic that a trained airforce pilot would to that, but creative license and all that) when actually he just needed to keep it on and breathe normally. Jimmy died

Its the same principle.

[Beso]

Well I've had a mask on all day and when I breath in the mask goes in my mouth, when I breath out I get a blast of hot air across my lips and nose..

So somethings stopping it flowing normally.

[The Slim Reaper]

Parmy's a mouth breather

[Beso]

And it's done it again when I sighed just now..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well I've had a mask on all day and when I breath in the mask goes in my mouth, when I breath out I get a blast of hot air across my lips and nose..

So somethings stopping it flowing normally.

It's true though, the mask shouldn't go in your mouth when you breathe in because there's no reason you need to be breathing through your mouth when breathing normally . The hot air across your nose and lips when breathing out is uncomfortable, yes, but the amount that could be trapped in a small mask is miniscule - certainly not a lungful - when you next breathe in, the air you're getting is coming from outside the mask. Air being warm doesn't mean it has less oxygen in it. Again its a psychological thing - a nice crisp breath of fresh air "feels" like better quality air but it doesn't have any more oxygen in it.

Like hydration, I guess. A cold glass of water with ice feels AMAZING when you're thirsty, feels like it combats the thirst much better. It doesn't actually hydrate you any better than a glass of tepid water. Or even a glass of hot water.

[Beso]

Ok, I will wear a bloody mask in the shop

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Ok, I will wear a bloody mask in the shop

I too have caved and purchased a £3.99 reusable one today

[GoldHeart]

Let's all be honest , government was more worried about the economy than people's health and well-being.

They make wearing masks compulsory because they don't know how else to control this .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Let's all be honest , government was more worried about the economy than people's health and well-being.



They make wearing masks compulsory because they don't know how else to control this .

It's the only preventative measure that has no direct impact economically so I think they understandably hope it's very effective (and we all should). My worry would be that if it proves to be not enough on its own, they're still going to be hesitant to go back into a major lockdown. But then I also think another major lockdown would be an economic catastrophe, so...

Again to bring back ye olde argument; it's not just about "choosing between the two", major impacts to the economy will affect people's health and wellbeing. At the very least, I seriously hope that any future lockdown doesn't include closing "non-essential" medical services... Because there's no such thing and the knock-on effects have been awful.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Let's all be honest , government was more worried about the economy than people's health and well-being.

They make wearing masks compulsory because they don't know how else to control this .

SAGE recommended masks in April.

[Dogeatdog]

I’m quite surprised they took so long to make this compulsory in shops. I’ve just bought some new reusable masks instead of having to wear the other cheap ones they provided for us. At the store I work at, they’ve said that all colleagues must wear a mask when on the shop floor at all times. The only time you can remove them is if your out the back in the warehouse or manning the tills because we have the screens up.

They also said that we aren’t allowed to challenge people that are not wearing a mask so I’m guessing that if they are caught by police in the shop not wearing one, then it’s that persons own fault which I think is fair.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I too have caved and purchased a £3.99 reusable one today

They do get foostie if you dont wash them..

I think I might pop down poundland with my ys over my head tomorrow, just to test the waters.

[Beso]

Someone needs to be checking about the worlds governments either making these masks themselves.....or



Or they have bought far too many panicking thier knickers into a twist that they have to make some cash back before I buy one out my own pocket.