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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not even a bad comparison because building sites and building work is hot & sweaty, and hard hats are somewhat uncomfortable and can result in an itchy + sweaty head.

That said, to be balanced, the risk of getting a head injury on a building site with no hardhat is probably significantly higher than the risk of getting Covid without a mask (in the UK, currently).

Part of the problem is simply that people are NOTORIOUSLY bad at accurately assessing risk... it's actually been studied. We're **** at it and should just listen to the stats and experts because our "gut feelings" are usually way off

Is it though?, I wonder how many times people on building sites actually get hit on the head (or on their hard hat) (I have no idea by the way, I'm just curious)

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Is it though?, I wonder how many times people on building sites actually get hit on the head (or on their hard hat) (I have no idea by the way, I'm just curious)

the whole safety package of boots, gloves, glasses and hat saves an awful lot of serious injuries. I've been in places where they have a counter of serious injuries that week and it was never zero

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the whole safety package of boots, gloves, glasses and hat saves an awful lot of serious injuries. I've been in places where they have a counter of serious injuries that week and it was never zero

Oh I know that, Gav worked on a building site for years, I was just wondering what the stats might be on people actually getting hit on the hard hat by something. I think in its peak, catching Covid would have been a higher risk

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Is it though?, I wonder how many times people on building sites actually get hit on the head (or on their hard hat) (I have no idea by the way, I'm just curious)

I think the risk from falling objects etc. might be relatively high and that on most building sites on most days there will be various minor injuries but that's just a guess! The Covid risk on the average trip to the supermarket as things are NOW is obviously very low even with no mask, it would be unlikely to even walk past someone who has it let alone catch it, but obviously the masks are there for good reason to try to remove even that tiny risk.

If it's somewhere like the US then it's a much more direct comparison because frankly the risk of catching it there is already moderate, and rising alarmingly.

[Ammi]

...I will wear a mask, obviously I will...but so far as supermarkets specifically are concerned...in my experience the mask wearers are the ones who’ve been coming really close and leaning over me...like the mask has given them some kind of super powers or something and social distancing doesn’t apply to them...so, I hope that doesn’t happen more and more...

[Ammi]

...I can only find this, it’s the USA though...



Each day, on average, two construction workers die of work-related injuries in the United States. In fact, one in five workplace fatalities are construction-related. The top causes of construction-related fatalities are falls, struck-by an object, electrocution and caught between objects.

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...I can only find this, it’s the USA though...



Each day, on average, two construction workers die of work-related injuries in the United States. In fact, one in five workplace fatalities are construction-related. The top causes of construction-related fatalities are falls, struck-by an object, electrocution and caught between objects.

I do wonder how their health and safety regulations compare to this side of the world though. Gav said that when they did their training in the Fire Brigade that they looked at the USA Fire Service sometimes, and they were very lax when it came to safety rules and procedures compared to Ireland and the UK for example

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...I will wear a mask, obviously I will...but so far as supermarkets specifically are concerned...in my experience the mask wearers are the ones who’ve been coming really close and leaning over me...like the mask has given them some kind of super powers or something and social distancing doesn’t apply to them...so, I hope that doesn’t happen more and more...

yep, thats my biggest worry, there is no substitute for the 2 metre distance. The fact that they are saying no masks in offices is precisely for the reason that they know keeping the 2 metre distance is a must over an extended period, masks just arent good enough

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yep, thats my biggest worry, there is no substitute for the 2 metre distance. The fact that they are saying no masks in offices is precisely for the reason that they know keeping the 2 metre distance is a must over an extended period, masks just arent good enough

...(..I had read or heard on the tv, I can’t recall which...)...that the risk was higher with fleeting contact with lots of people, as in supermarkets/shopping...which doesn’t apply to your workplace office and in school etc because you’re with the same people each day...I know many work places who can’t keep a 2 metre distance and obviously schools can’t, it’s just not possible...but we’re being told that it’s the same colleagues each day, so....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...(..I had read or heard on the tv, I can’t recall which...)...that the risk was higher with fleeting contact with lots of people, as in supermarkets/shopping...which doesn’t apply to your workplace office and in school etc because you’re with the same people each day...I know many work places who can’t keep a 2 metre distance and obviously schools can’t, it’s just not possible...but we’re being told that it’s the same colleagues each day, so....

That varies based on percentage of population infected, the risk is higher when in contact with more people because of the higher chance that one of them has it... but being in prolonged contact with someone who DOES have it is (far) worse than fleetingly passing 10 people who have it. Currently, the chances of brushing past someone who has it (in the uk) is actually very low.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That varies based on percentage of population infected, the risk is higher when in contact with more people because of the higher chance that one of them has it... but being in prolonged contact with someone who DOES have it is (far) worse than fleetingly passing 10 people who have it. Currently, the chances of brushing past someone who has it (in the uk) is actually very low.

...but that’s the whole point though, if there is dishonesty then I can see why some are being difficult about wearing them...I don’t agree to not wearing one but i do see both sides...for instance, I’ll just say schools because obviously that’s applied to me more...there have been more children attending but in September it will be a full house, it has to be and most school staff want it to be..so no issue...?...but I wish the government would just be honest and say...ughhhh, we just have to have normality...because we do...instead of saying, oh you’ll be in that same class of children all day so there’s very little risk....which is just not true...their dishonesty is more frustrating for me than the virus is...